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Henry240:
You have far more serious problems at hand.

Such as?

Need i remind you that we arent the ones losing town after town to boko haram

Henry240:
More lies , we all know the true state of the SAAF

You have 9 pilots
You only have 3 operational C-130's.
You lack Aviation fuel
Some of your transport planes are over 50 years old
You lack funds
Your airforce is in a pathetic state.

why cant you prove we only have 9 pilots? You said it was a fact that we only have 8, now you say 9? How is it possible for a fact to change?
3 operational c-130's at any one time, because SAAF does this thing called mainyenance, so other C130's are having work done, at any one time. You should try it- maybe that way you could avoid having to send aircraft overseas to be refurbished

18000 flight hours with 22000 budgeted for shows we dont lack fuel or funds (we have a surplus of both)

I have allready posted the funding increases -R324 million last year and another big boost forcast for next year (R10 Billion to be released from the SDA account)

Yep, and there aint anything better for operating out of rudimentary airfeilds in the DRC and other such places where facilities are non existant and runways of poor quality. Not to mention that the engines and avionics are from the 1990's

If SAAF is pathetic then NAF is non existant

Patchesagain:
South Africa is not considering selling the gripen

One man is suggesting that the gripen be sold

Many private citizens have many opinions

But what citizens think and what SAAF does are very different things

So well done on proving absolutely nothing

so what do you as a private citizen think.lol , sell the white elephants and get yourselves an airframe that is in line with your internal and external security demands.

Patchesagain:
Such as?

Need i remind you that we arent the ones losing town after town to boko haram

the scourge of terrorism have helped us to build a formidable well equipped army. That is familiar with all the theatres of operation available in Africa from the sahara to the sub sahara. I sometimes wonder how clueless a bunch of SADF men would look in the dusty heat of the northern nigerian theatre. Lol, thats when they will know the different between photography and desert warfare.
SMH@ the ogas in the pics. How them take manage carry those comfortable white chairs go desert for training.

overhypedsteve:
the scourge of terrorism have helped us to build a formidable well equipped army. That is familiar with all the theatres of operation available in Africa from the sahara to the sub sahara. I sometimes wonder how clueless a bunch of SADF men would look in the dusty heat of the northern nigerian theatre. Lol, thats when they will know the different between photography and desert warfare.
SMH@ the ogas in the pics. How them take manage carry those comfortable white chairs go desert for training.

First its the SANDF not SADF.
Second, do you have an idea how hot the Northern Cape is where our soldiers are born?

iterator24:
SANDeaF are just wasting tax payers money for the sake of being amongst 'peacekeeping nations' and taking 'hollywood photos'... perhaps, they join anti-poaching units and stop the proliferation of 'knifes' in the country... people get stabbed like crazy here.

richest country my butt-chick
CC: activatekruger

Tax? Do you even know what that is? Barbers don't pay tax, they get paid very little... R20 isn't much you know.

....and people are bombed deadly up there where you ran away from.

overhypedsteve:
the scourge of terrorism have helped us to build a formidable well equipped army. That is familiar with all the theatres of operation available in Africa from the sahara to the sub sahara. I sometimes wonder how clueless a bunch of SADF men would look in the dusty heat of the northern nigerian theatre. Lol, thats when they will know the different between photography and desert warfare.
SMH@ the ogas in the pics. How them take manage carry those comfortable white chairs go desert for training.

You can't mend your roof DURING the storm. You've built nothing as a result of Boko Haram. Instead, you've lost money, trust between your men, confidence in your military and the ability to strike fear in the hearts of opponents. Assuming you had all that in the first place.

MikeCZAR:
what belong to Libyans? That money won't be released anytime soon, similar to yours.

They don't even have a government.

Tell that to Commander-in-Chief Julius Malema!

Henry240:
SAAF should consider selling Gripens and buying transports
Written by Guy Martin, Wednesday, 29 October 2014


The South African Air Force (SAAF) has 26 Gripens in its inventory but 12 are in “rotational” storage and only 18 Gripen navigators and pilots have been trained to operational status. [/b]Which begs the question: what should we do with aircraft we don’t need and can’t afford to operate?

[b]The solution could be a simple one: sell off the 12 Gripens in storage (since we won’t miss them anyway) and use the money for fuel, pilot training and new equipment that the Air Force desperately needs - its C-130 Hercules fleet is ageing and the Air Force is increasingly forced to rely on charters to move people and equipment to places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, while the SAAF’s maritime surveillance C-47TPs are more than half a century old and suffering from attrition.

While the C-47TPs and C-130s are working extremely hard and are in urgent need of replacement, the Gripens are grossly underutilised. Since 2008 the Gripen fleet has flown 3 500 hours, according to a SAAF official, equating to roughly 135 hours per airframe or roughly 20 hours per aircraft per year, or less than two hours per aircraft per month.

Maintenance for the Gripens has also been problematic - between April and December 2013 the SAAF had no support contracts in place with Saab, with the Air Force only doing basic hands-on maintenance. A support contract worth R285 million (€19 million) was finally awarded in December and is seeing Saab support the Gripen fleet to 2016.

Of the transport fleet, only around three C-130s are airworthy at any given time and only three C-47TPs are available for transport duties. The small fleet of C212s is only useful for carrying small loads short distances. As a result, the South African Air Force often has to rely on chartered aircraft like Il-76s to get its equipment to places like the Central African Republic (CAR) and Democratic Republic of Congo, which can be a very expensive and time-consuming affair – troops have often been stranded while waiting for a chartered flight and a lack of airlift capacity meant the military couldn’t immediately transport armoured vehicles to our soldiers fighting Seleka rebels in the CAR in March 2013.

With the cancellation of the order for eight A400Ms in 2009, the SAAF was left without a clear replacement for the C-130BZ fleet and, since the deposit was paid back to the treasury, left without money for acquiring new transports. Since funding is tight yet the need is urgent, perhaps[b]it is time to advertise some practically new Gripens for sale: low mileage, stored in a nice dry climate and only flown on weekends.[/b]


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The reality of the situation. No Hollywood make believe.

Henry240:
SAAF should consider selling Gripens and buying transports
Written by Guy Martin, Wednesday, 29 October 2014


The South African Air Force (SAAF) has 26 Gripens in its inventory but 12 are in “rotational” storage and only 18 Gripen navigators and pilots have been trained to operational status. [/b]Which begs the question: what should we do with aircraft we don’t need and can’t afford to operate?

[b]The solution could be a simple one: sell off the 12 Gripens in storage (since we won’t miss them anyway) and use the money for fuel, pilot training and new equipment that the Air Force desperately needs - its C-130 Hercules fleet is ageing and the Air Force is increasingly forced to rely on charters to move people and equipment to places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, while the SAAF’s maritime surveillance C-47TPs are more than half a century old and suffering from attrition.

While the C-47TPs and C-130s are working extremely hard and are in urgent need of replacement, the Gripens are grossly underutilised. Since 2008 the Gripen fleet has flown 3 500 hours, according to a SAAF official, equating to roughly 135 hours per airframe or roughly 20 hours per aircraft per year, or less than two hours per aircraft per month.

Maintenance for the Gripens has also been problematic - between April and December 2013 the SAAF had no support contracts in place with Saab, with the Air Force only doing basic hands-on maintenance. A support contract worth R285 million (€19 million) was finally awarded in December and is seeing Saab support the Gripen fleet to 2016.

Of the transport fleet, only around three C-130s are airworthy at any given time and only three C-47TPs are available for transport duties. The small fleet of C212s is only useful for carrying small loads short distances. As a result, the South African Air Force often has to rely on chartered aircraft like Il-76s to get its equipment to places like the Central African Republic (CAR) and Democratic Republic of Congo, which can be a very expensive and time-consuming affair – troops have often been stranded while waiting for a chartered flight and a lack of airlift capacity meant the military couldn’t immediately transport armoured vehicles to our soldiers fighting Seleka rebels in the CAR in March 2013.

With the cancellation of the order for eight A400Ms in 2009, the SAAF was left without a clear replacement for the C-130BZ fleet and, since the deposit was paid back to the treasury, left without money for acquiring new transports. Since funding is tight yet the need is urgent, perhaps[b]it is time to advertise some practically new Gripens for sale: low mileage, stored in a nice dry climate and only flown on weekends.[/b]


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Noted and filed!

Patchesagain:
South Africa is not considering selling the gripen

One man is suggesting that the gripen be sold

Many private citizens have many opinions

But what citizens think and what SAAF does are very different things

So well done on proving absolutely nothing

Amazing DISgrace!

ActivateKruger:
Tax? Do you even know what that is? Barbers don't pay tax, they get paid very little... R20 isn't much you know.

....and people are bombed deadly up there where you ran away from.

baseless man, baseless.. you've been exposed! tell sandf to dispatch themselves to kruger park and activate anti-poaching operations. . Mr ActivateKruger

Patchesagain:
why cant you prove we only have 9 pilots? You said it was a fact that we only have 8, now you say 9? How is it possible for a fact to change?
3 operational c-130's at any one time, because SAAF does this thing called mainyenance, so other C130's are having work done, at any one time. You should try it- maybe that way you could avoid having to send aircraft overseas to be refurbished

18000 flight hours with 22000 budgeted for shows we dont lack fuel or funds (we have a surplus of both)

I have allready posted the funding increases -R324 million last year and another big boost forcast for next year (R10 Billion to be released from the SDA account)

Yep, and there aint anything better for operating out of rudimentary airfeilds in the DRC and other such places where facilities are non existant and runways of poor quality. Not to mention that the engines and avionics are from the 1990's

If SAAF is pathetic then NAF is non existant

Two words

White Elephant

overhypedsteve:
so what do you as a private citizen think.lol , sell the white elephants and get yourselves an airframe that is in line with your internal and external security demands.

Lol

agaugust:
Bwahahaha

Now you are too ashamed to admit you got beaten by Naija science education.

@Patches has already surrendered, he has humbly admitted today that cold air is denser.

Proves me right, when you fire Bofors artilley on the snow cold mountains of Himalayas, the range will reduce a bit because the snow freezes the air and makes it cold and so air becomes denser at high altitude . The weather source I posted confirms it and says the shot golf ball travels slower and thus less range on a cold day.

Snow cold air is denser whether at low or high altitudes, my source educates you that the molecules of air get frozen, compacted, more friction and resistance to anything trying to fly through them.

You failed science in school, same way sources say your South African teachers themselves fail science, so in your ANC kindgom the blind lead the blind into the mud pit.

South African government begged Nigeria for science teachers like a servant begs his master, and your nicest master is Nigeria, your European masters mock your ANC crime and HIV infested world
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Dude you are fcking stupd, i dont know if you have noticed but mountains are MOUNTAINS, thus the higher the mountain the higher the altitude and the lower the air density, the reason why there is snow and the air is colder is because of the lower air pressure, why do you think most claimers wear oxygen masks when claiming Mount Everest, its because there is less oxygen because air is less dens at altitude.

And let me just tell you again that objects travel farther at higher altitude than at sea level, thus the BOFORS shells will travel farther at higher altitude than at sea level.

I never disputed the fact that cold air is less dens, I KNOW cold air is more dens that hot air, but cold air at altitude is the result of lower pressure.

BTW everybody who liked this are just as retarded as @aguagust

www.csmonitor.com/Science/2010/0618/World-Cup-soccer-ball-travels-faster-and-farther-at-high-altitudes
www.science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/atmospheric/question186.htm

Patchesagain:
Such as?

Need i remind you that we arent the ones losing town after town to boko haram

Nigeria isn't losing any town to any body.

The SANDF do not have an Airforce.

3 C-130's for a country with a total area of 1.2 million KM

No Aviation fuel

9 pilots
9 navigators

Your MPA's are over 50 years old.

Henry240:
Nigeria isn't losing any town to any body.

The SANDF do not have an Airforce.

3 C-130's for a country with a total area of 1.2 million KM

No Aviation fuel

9 pilots
9 navigators

Your MPA's are over 50 years old.

14 pilots 4 navigators

Patchesagain:
South Africa is not considering selling the gripen

One man is suggesting that the gripen be sold

Many private citizens have many opinions

But what citizens think and what SAAF does are very different things

So well done on proving absolutely nothing

Considering your pathetic state, the SAAF should sell off all their assets, not just the Gripen. Excerpt you want to start up a museum with brand new fighter jets.

If you cannot afford aviation fuel, what can you then afford?


"The real situation of the SAAF, no holywood make believe".

jl115:
14 pilots 4 navigators

Are you show you've read the report I pasted?

There is no prove you got 14 pilots, is this even a. Number to be proud of after 15 years?

Henry240:
Are you show you've read the report I pasted?

There is no prove you got 14 pilots, is this even a. Number to be proud of after 15 years?

No Proof that we only have 8 either.

jl115:
No Proof that we only have 8 either.

You have 9.

Answer the question, 14 pilots, is this a number to be proud of?

Henry240:
You have 9.

Answer the question, 14 pilots, is this a number to be proud of?

Yes.
Answer the question, 2 pilots, is this a number to be proud of?

jl115:
Yes.
Answer the question, 2 pilots, is this a number to be proud of?

how do you intend on buying 7 Frigates, if you don't have money for common aviation fuel?

You wanna "wish" them into existence?

jl115:
Yes.
Answer the question, 2 pilots, is this a number to be proud of?

The Nigerian Airforce has carried out 1635 airstrikes in 3 months. You think that did that with 2 Pilots?

Henry240:
The Nigerian Airforce has carried out 1635 airstrikes in 3 months. You think that did that with 2 Pilots?

South Africa has 14 gripens operational at one time(26-12), you think 9 Pilots can fly 14 Gripens at once?

Henry240:
how do you intend on buying 7 Frigates, if you don't have money for common aviation fuel?

You wanna "wish" them into existence?

Defence Review.

overhypedsteve:
so what do you as a private citizen think.lol , sell the white elephants and get yourselves an airframe that is in line with your internal and external security demands.

White elephants? lol wut!?!

Their operationability is in line with our current defense needs.

Funds have been allocated for the upgrade of the current fleet, with patrol aircraft and new transports being prime targets.

We are even looking at the A400M again, now that it looks like we can get them since Spain and Germany scaled back their orders.

Money is not something we are short on, but that doesnt mean we will waste it on keeping all 26 Gripen in the air (which will also shorten their service life) when our current needs only call for 14.

overhypedsteve:
the scourge of terrorism have helped us to build a formidable well equipped army. That is familiar with all the theatres of operation available in Africa from the sahara to the sub sahara. I sometimes wonder how clueless a bunch of SADF men would look in the dusty heat of the northern nigerian theatre. Lol, thats when they will know the different between photography and desert warfare.
SMH@ the ogas in the pics. How them take manage carry those comfortable white chairs go desert for training.

Clueless?

Desert warfare will suit the SANDF perfectly

Do you want to know why?

Henry240:
Two words

White Elephant

Exellent retort, you sure showed me!!

SAAF > NAF

jl115:
South Africa has 14 gripens operational at one time(26-12), you think 9 Pilots can fly 14 Gripens at once?

Do you think "14" pilots can fly 26 Gripens?

You only got 9 Gripen pilots, shame.

Henry240:
Do you think "14" pilots can fly 26 Gripens?

Did i say 14 pilots can fly 26 Gripens?
You only got 2 pilots shame!