₦airaland Forum

aim5:
How is it fact that he was born on the 25th? The 25th symbolizes the shortest day of the year and after Christmas, the Sun stays up a bit longer into the Spring Equinox. There's too much Pagan stuff surrounding Saturnalia/Christmas for one to call it a Christian holiday.

d shortest day of d year is not 25, d shortest day is d winter solstice which falls on d 22nd of dec. Correct urself.

Godside:
Chairman , pls i beg , stop the rubbish you are saying . I believe you are educated nd you can read nd undastnd .

If you die 2day nd some pipu decide to create a name for you nd celebrate , its no sin but the bible say we shld nt add or subtract 4rm the bible . Who did christ gav the right to use christmas to replace pagan holiday .

All you al point r rubbish nd nt wat the bible say . Help ursf nd ur church , google the history of christmas ursf .

Peace bro

if u prefer to hold ur myth and won't listen to my points then i can't help u.
Continue believing d wild spread lie.

Ubenedictus:
d shortest day of d year is not 25, d shortest day is d winter solstice which falls on d 22nd of dec. Correct urself.

Yes I'm wrong I should have known. But stop equating a Roman/Pagan celebration with the the birth of Jesus.

Ubenedictus:
The Catholic Church, from at least the second century, has claimed that Christ was born on December 25. However, it is commonly alleged that our Lord Jesus Christ was not born on December 25.
For the sake of simplicity, let us set out the usual objections to the date of December 25 and counter each of them.


Objection 1: December 25 was chosen in order to replace the pagan Roman festival of Saturnalia. Saturnalia was a popular winter festival and so the
Catholic Church prudently substituted Christmas in its place.


Reply to Objection 1: Saturnalia
commemorated the winter solstice. Yet the winter solstice falls on December 22.
It is true that Saturnalia celebrations began as early as December 17 and extended till December 23. Still, the dates don’t match up.


Objection 2: December 25 was chosen to replace the pagan Roman holiday Natalis Solis Invicti which means “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun.”


Reply to Objection 2: Let us examine first the cult of the Unconquered Sun. The Emperor Aurelian introduced the cult of the Sol Invictus or Unconquered Sun to Rome in A.D. 274. Aurelian found political traction with this cult, because his own name Aurelian derives from the Latin word aurora denoting “sunrise.”
Coins reveal that Emperor Aurelian called himself the Pontifex Solis or Pontiff of the Sun. Thus, Aurelian simply accommodated a generic solar cult and identified his name with it at the end of the third century.
Most importantly, there is no historical record for a celebration Natalis Sol Invictus on December 25 prior to A.D. 354. Within an illuminated manuscript for the year A.D. 354, there is an entry
for December 25 reading “N INVICTI CM Bleep.” Here N means “nativity.” INVICTI means “of the Unconquered.” CM signifies “circenses missus” or “games
ordered.” The Roman numeral Bleep
equals thirty. Thus, the inscription
means that thirty games were order for the nativity of the Unconquered for December 25th. Note that the word “sun” is not present. Moreover, the very same codex also lists “natus Christus in
Betleem Iudeae” for the day of December 25. The phrase is translated as “birth of Christ in Bethlehem of Judea.”
The date of December 25th only became the “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun” under the Emperor Julian the Apostate.
Julian the Apostate had been a Christian but who had apostatized and returned to Roman paganism. History reveals that it was the hateful former Christian Emperor that erected a pagan holiday on
December 25. Think about that for a moment. What was he trying to replace?
These historical facts reveal that the Unconquered Sun was not likely a popular deity in the Roman Empire. The Roman people did not need to be weaned off of a so-called ancient holiday. Moreover, the tradition of a
December 25th celebration does not find a place on the Roman calendar until after the Christianization of Rome. The
“Birthday of the Unconquered Sun” holiday was scarcely traditional and hardly popular. Saturnalia (mentioned above) was much more popular, traditional, and fun. It seems, rather, that Julian the Apostate had attempted to
introduce a pagan holiday in order to replace the Christian one!

Pls how can you reconcile the fact that Jesus lived for
33yrs and 1/2 which pple commomerate around
March or April every year with him being born in 25th
December? Thus, if one assume him to be born on April and add the remaining six months, it takes you to October, not even November. Talk more on December. Kindly enlighten me, because I'm still
confused about that.

They told em That christ was born in the 25th, and they gave em facts which the op saw and decided to share with us. He is a Catholic and should ve facts to back his bliv. When u search for stuffs on Google, range of answers re given which u choose any dat best suit u. The rabbi told him sheeps can still roam at that time because the weather in Jerusalem is favorable, yet on Google it's really cold at this time (11dc). All comes to one thing that catholics ve facts to back their claim on December 25th as d day christ was born, they also ve facts to back their claim that the Virgin Mary gave birth to only Jesus, they also ve facts to back their claim that Sunday is the right day to worship, they also ve facts to back their claim That their priest shud be celibates. Every one is entitled to bliv Wat he or she chooses bt dnt try to convince sm1 else to bliv with u, cos our bliv is circumstantial. If he Wre a Moselm he wudnt ve bliv in christ anyway. Christ was born, 25th or nt.

The Catholic church has made more harm and confusion in this present world....Christ was never born on the 25th sef..haha all these were pagan Holiday which later the church replaced...it with christ mass....thats all....haha we know all these but well lets keep enjoying the holidays jare...life is full of stress

Jesus never said we should comemorate his birth but he said in luke 22:19 . Keep doing these in remembrance of me. The Lord's evening meal in that chapter is the only event that the Lord Jesus christ commanded his desciples to always remember . And that is to comemorate his death. Therefore Jesus no send una to celebrate Christmas o. Am sure na one man just wake up one day say make we dey do Christmas now edon become the main thing. E no send una atol atol. Gbam

emjoe1:
Pls how can you reconcile the fact that Jesus lived for
33yrs and 1/2 which pple commomerate around
March or April every year with him being born in 25th
December? Thus, if one assume him to be born on April and add the remaining six months, it takes you to October, not even November. Talk more on December. Kindly enlighten me, because I'm still
confused about that.

You seem to be a troublemaker! We keep ignoring, you keep bringing this question up...LOL

If Jesus lived for 33yrs + 6months, then his 34th birthday would have been on (33yrs+6months) + another 6months.

He died in the month of Nissan (which corresponds to March/April in today's calendar)

His 34th birthday would therefore have been on March/April + 6months = September/October.

For the 25th December to be true as the birthday of Christ, then, one of the following MUST be false:

1. Jesus lived for just 33yrs + 6months on earth.

2. He died in the month of Nissan

3. The date he died in the month of Nissan often falls on March/April in our today's calendar.

CONCLUSION: If none of the above is false, then it's obvious the 25th December speculated to be the birthday of Jesus Christ, is FALSE.

basisop:
The contemporary church wants to destroy history. The early church had preserved this historical facts for us. They even gave us the calendar.

Please elaborate

Ubenedictus:
i gave an approximate yr, it is harder to decide d yr becos in those day they didnt use AD, Bc, they used d AUC, it is believed dat the catholic monk who changed d dating to ad, bc made a mistake he factored in d reign of caesar but didnt factor in that of herod, if it is true den d date is btween 4bc and 1ad, dat is why i used d word "around"

I am sorry you don't sound like an adult or like a person with higher education. There is no evidence that This man called Jesus was born on 25 December , None!!

DancingSkeleton:
where d he state it in d bible unlike easter celebration which he instructed that should be celebrated in memory of him .... Guy park well

Where in d bible did dey state u shld watch tv, use computer, automobile n internet. R u nt using them today. God gave u brains so use them. Everything can't b in d bible

If only latitude was the only determinant of climate, Jos is in Nigeria, and Nigeria is located close to the equator, but I have heard it does get a little chilly there, Morocco which is up North in the Mediterranean does gets chilly too, Israel experiences very similar climate. From my experience shepherds can't tend their flocks comfortably in that weather at night. Texas, even though it is really hot during the summers, temperature can drop to freezing during a severe winter, but averagely 60-30F is what they get. Also.

Godside:
You can liar o o, Did christ or the bible show such history . No wonder , you post a long post witout bible passage .

Did christ or the bible tel you or anybodi to create christmas for him or use it to replace any pagan holiday . U beta repent

you have been given knowledge, and you hav been given understanding, but look at how selfishly u have used yours. The church you attend may not be up to 200yrs old, Leonardo da Vinci and Isaac Newton are all older than that, but yet worked to preserve the "TRUTH" through history.. Woe to him who had narrowed Ūя̲̅ thinking and understanding of inductrination. But now that u've been salvaged, u are responsible for Ūя̲̅ self. Thats all i have to say to you.

ogawisdom:
Jesus birth shld b celebrated as he is d saviour of mankind dts d most impt thing

I would not want to be celebrated with lies when I have left this earth.

Does the lying about his birthday not counter any "goodness"?

Godside:
The whole write-up its nothing but rubbish of the highest order . The bible says we shld talk where the bible talks and be silent where the bible is silent .

Stop fooling ursf with man doctrine .

Answer this Question
Did you see or read the christmas from the bible ?

Did Christ command any liar or anybody to use christmas to replace any pagan festival?

Did christ say you shld create a name for him or do christmas for his remembrance ?

The only thing christ say we shld do in his remembrance is the lordsupper . Read 1 Corinthians 11:24 ►
and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me."

Read again , it say do this in my remembrance not Christmas or easter .
Dnt follow my pastor say , read the bible yoursf .

Repent b4 its to late .Peace

if you want us to be silent or avoid doing things not contained in the Bible why

a- go to church or worship on Sundays instead of Sabbath which is Saturday

b- do you bear the name Christian

c- do women become Bishops

d- do we build edifice as church buildings'

e- do our pastors travel in jets, privately owned ones for that matter

f- do you use wedding rings or even wed in the church?

the list is endless. If you do any of the above, REPENT!

emjoe1:
. Pls how can you reconcile the fact that Jesus lived for 33yrs and 1/2 which pple commomerate around March or April every year with him being born in 25th December? Kindly enlighten me, because I'm still confused about that,

I have been reading that Jesus lived for 33 years I don't know of the half but I believe by calculation, he must have lived some months more. Maybe you should provide me with an ancient documentation to buttress your point.

cocoduck:
Ignorance is a disease. he doesn't even know basic geography. Right now in Palestine and Israel is winter

So basic geography tells you that for 2000 years the weather has been the same, in the last 100 years seasons have changed o..

aim5:
And to add to Janetozi, mass means a death sacrifice. Plus Christmas is in the sign of Capricorn, a sign ruled by Saturn/Satan. The baphomet is also associated with this sign.

Mass is the central act of worship in the life of a Catholic. Going to Mass is about spending time with God, but also receiving his graces (inner strength to live the Christian life). The name ‘Mass’ comes the final blessing said by the priest in Latin ‘Ite missa es’ meaning “to send out” as Jesus Christ sent his disciples out to the world to take his teaching to them.

http://www.thepapalvisit.org.uk/The-Catholic-Faith/FAQ-on-Faith/1-10/What-is-a-Catholic-Mass

I wonder how people come about the information they pass on.

ChokolateBoss:
The truth?
Mass = death sacrifice?
Xmas is in d sign of capricon? Capricon is associated with baphomet and ruled by saturn/satan?
Hahahahahahahahaha. LOL again.

Mehn I tire o

Ignyte:
So basic geography tells you that for 2000 years the weather has been the same, in the last 100 years seasons have changed o..

if global warming is anything to go by, Palestinian and Israel should be warmer now than it is reported. So 2000 years on it is so cold there in December, it must have been extra cold then for any grazing, as simple as that. Or is the earth experiencing global cooling?

Janetozi:
U pple should embark on three (3) days dry fasting and ask Jesus to tell us exactly the month he was born.

I believe that 25 Dec is not the day that Christ was born, it is dedicated to the celebration of the sun god.

Btw, why do so many tragedy (inferno, accidents, sudden death) happens on 25 of Dec more than any other day, we are indirectly celebrating a blood sucking demon somewhere and not Christ.

If we are celebrating the birth of Christ, why did they call it "Christmas" and not "Christbirth"

i don't understand that "mas"

catholic celebrates "holy mass
church of Satan celebrates "black mass"

who have idea of what that Mass stands for?

I have been asking this question b4 and i will continue to ask it again and again

Bros, Is it wrong that you carry a bad tin and make it a good tin. They carried a date of pagan worship (Bad) to Celebrate christ (Good).

Before you talk much lemme bring it home.... U were a sinner(Bad) then Jesus Saved you (Good). Did he have to change ur body.. NO....He just made a bad thing A good thing.

Christ was born in October (GKS)

Bible Account 

In those days there were appointed 24 Jewish priests, the sons of Aaron, to serve in the temple in a year. Everyone officiated according to the order of his course or turn - two every month. 
The first priest served from the beginning of the first month called Nisan or Abib and retired at the middle of the month; and the second took over from the middle to the end of the month.
The priest Abijah served in the eighth course according to I Chronicles 24: 1-10. The eighth course started from the middle to the end of the fourth month known as Tammuz, which, according to the Jewish Calendar, corresponds with the latter part of our June to early July. (Vide The Oxford Encyclopedic Concordance, page 197, and The Universal Bible Dictionary by Buckland & Williams, page 475.)

Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist, was a successor of Abijah. It was when he was officiating in the temple in the order of his turn - "the course of Abijah" - that an angel of God appeared to him saying that his wife, Elizabeth, would bear him a son to be named John. (Luke 1: 5-13) 
After the completion of Zacharias' period of duty in early July (Tammuz), his wife became pregnant, and she hid herself for five months. - Luke 1: 23, 24.

In the sixth month of Elizabeth's conception - Chisleu, which is our December - the angel Gabriel was sent by God to the virgin Mary and he announced to her that she would conceive and bear a son to be called JESUS. The angel added: "And behold, thy cousin, Elizabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God nothing shall be impossible." - Luke 1: 26-31, 36, 37. 
Consequent upon the annunciation Mary, no doubt, was in high spirits. With haste she went straight to a city in the uplands of Judah to meet Elizabeth. 
She stayed with her cousin about three months (i.e. from January to March) and then returned home. (Luke 1:39-40,56) 
Something dramatic occurred when Mary visited Elizabeth. As soon as she entered Zacharias' house and greeted Elizabeth, the babe (John) stirred in her womb. The words of Elizabeth to Mary at that instance, which were motivated by the Holy Spirit, show clearly that Mary herself was already pregnant.

Not only did Elizabeth bless the fruit of her womb but she went on to address her outright as "the mother of my Lord". - Luke 1:41-44. 
According to medical authorities the span of foetal life under normal conditions is 280 days, which is nine months; any time in the tenth month the child, by God's grace, can be born. This was the case with John the Baptist. 
The angel appeared to Mary in the sixth month of Elizabeth's conception and Mary went to her and stayed three months: six plus three equal nine. It was then "Elizabeth's full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son" - obviously, in the tenth month, April.- Luke 1: 36, 56-57.

Having been equipped with this knowledge, let us now count Mary's conception from that January as was manifest in Elizabeth's declaration, we will arrive at September as the ninth month; then in the tenth month OCTOBER, Jesus Christ was born. But on which day in October his birth took place no one can tell because there is no record. 
We of the GKS say only what we can prove. With regard to the year of Christ's birth, historians disagree with one another. Some hold to B.C. 2 or B.C.4, and others suggest B.C. 6. We are no historians, and so we do not wish to be entangled in their disagreements.

Physical Facts 

The physical features of Palestine in regard to the climate lend support to the view that Christ was not born in December. According to the Gospels story, there were shepherds attending their flocks in the open fields by night when Christ was born. 
This could not have been possible in December, because all accredited authorities agree that December, which corresponds with the Jewish ninth month, Chisleu, (Zechariah 7:1) was usually a time of winter in Palestine when the people could not stay outside in the night owing to the intense cold.
The Oxford Encyclopedic Concordance states that there was "snow on the mountains". 
But October is the Jewish seventh month called Tisri or Ethanim. (I Kings 8: 2) 
It was a time of normal weather that permitted of outdoor or outside activities. Again, the fact that the churches of Christendom observe the death of Jesus Christ ("Good Friday" in April confirms that his birth could not have taken place in December. 
Of a truth, he was killed in April, which is Nisan or Abib, the first month of the Jewish year, when the Feast of Passover or Unleavened Bread was celebrated.

We all agree that Jesus Christ lived for 33 1/2 years. Now let us admit that he was born in December, as the churches teach, it will mean, therefore, that his 33rd birthday anniversary fell on December, and six months later, which was June, he died. If it was so, why then are the churches celebrating his death in April and not in June? The plain truth is that he was born in October. His 33rd birthday then fell on October, and six, months later, that is, in April, he was slain.

Historical Facts 

There is no authentic history in existence that gives support to the teaching that Jesus Christ was born in December. 
We challenge anyone who may argue this to cite a SINGLE authority to the contrary to prove us wrong.There was no such festival as Christmas until the fourth century, and it was the Romish Church in its characteristic tendency of "meeting Paganism half-way", that just fixed on December 25 as Christ's birthday.
Excerpts from the book, JESUS' BIRTH THE UNTOLD STORY published on 25/12/2005 on www.angelfire.com states: "Each December, articles inevitably appear in newspapers and magazines pointing out the ancient origins of today's Christmas customs. All authorities agree that the customs surrounding Christmas, the Christmas tree, mistletoe, holly wreaths, yule logs, stockings on the hearth, exchanging gifts and so on, were practiced in connection with pagan religious celebrations centuries before the birth of Jesus. None are of Christian origin! Anciently, December 25 was the date of the pagan roman Brumalia, the final day of the popular week-long Saturnalia celebration, celebrated in honour of the god Saturn. It was the day of the "invincible sun", a winter solstice festival. "Christmas" was not among the earliest festivals of the Church. It was not until the mid-fourth century that Pope Julius 1 decreed December 25 to be Christmas ("Christ-Mass"Day. He sought to overshadow the popular Brumalia by imparting "Christian" connotations to the day."

We cannot do without making reference to the evidence of the well-known ecclesiastical historian, Alexander Hislop. In his distinguished work, The Two Babylons, he wrote: "There is not a word in the Scriptures about the precise day of His (Christ's) birth.... What is recorded there, implies that at what time so ever His birth took place, it could not have been on the 25th of December... The cold of the night, from December to February, is very piercing, and it was not the custom for the shepherds of Judea to watch their flocks in the open fields later than about the end of October. It is in the last degree incredible, then, that the birth of Christ could have taken place at the end of December." (Pages 91-92, emphasis ours)

The vanity of Christmas has been exposed enough. History condemns it. The Holy Bible, which is the law book and guide for all true Christians, does not justify it. We shall be failing in our duties if we close our eyes to these errors. 
Just as the Lord’s Witnesses in their book The True Bible Code at page 688 stated: "The issue is not a matter of indifference. Since Christmas was not instituted by God. It should not be approved or tolerated in the official practices of the Church. Ministers and Church officers are not being true to their ordination vows, if they encourage or tolerate Christmas observance in their congregations".

What is more, St. Paul declared: "It is GOD Himself, in His mercy, who has given us this wonderful work (of telling His Good News to others), and so we never give up. We do not try to trick people into believing – we are not interested in fooling anyone. We never try to get anyone to believe that the Bible teaches what it doesn’t. All such shameful methods we forego. We stand in the presence of God as we speak and so we tell the truth, as all who know us will agree." (2 Corinthians 4: 1,2 [Living Bible]) 
Jesus Christ says, "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Courtsey: God's Kingdom Society (GKS)

SalC:
Mass is the central act of worship in the life of a Catholic. Going to Mass is about spending time with God, but also receiving his graces (inner strength to live the Christian life). The name ‘Mass’ comes the final blessing said by the priest in Latin ‘Ite missa es’ meaning “to send out” as Jesus Christ sent his disciples out to the world to take his teaching to them.

http://www.thepapalvisit.org.uk/The-Catholic-Faith/FAQ-on-Faith/1-10/What-is-a-Catholic-Mass

I wonder how people come about the information they pass on.

Mehn I tire o

Damn this is why the world views Africans as being ignorant. Christmass means the death or dismissal of Christ. The whole concept of Christmas is pagan and I don't get how you people can't grasp it.

omonnakoda:
I am sorry you don't sound like an adult or like a person with higher education. There is no evidence that This man called Jesus was born on 25 December , None!!

if all the proof in the thread means nothing to you then it doesn't make me immature, it make you close minded.

And yes, i have had higher education.

Freksy:
You seem to be a troublemaker! We keep ignoring, you keep bringing this question up...LOL

If Jesus lived for 33yrs + 6months, then his 34th birthday would have been on (33yrs+6months) + another 6months.

He died in the month of Nissan (which corresponds to March/April in today's calendar)

His 34th birthday would therefore have been on March/April + 6months = September/October.

For the 25th December to be true as the birthday of Christ, then, one of the following MUST be false:

1. Jesus lived for just 33yrs + 6months on earth.

2. He died in the month of Nissan

3. The date he died in the month of Nissan often falls on March/April in our today's calendar.

CONCLUSION: If none of the above is false, then it's obvious the 25th December speculated to be the birthday of Jesus Christ, is FALSE.

pls where does d bible say Jesus lived exactly 33yrs and 6 months?

Chaii!, see life ooo, on Christmas day, Jesus's birthday for that matter and nobody use His picture as dp, and you guys know how you do when it's your birthday and that of your loved ones.
Fraud is when you use His name to request for Christmas gift when it's His b'day and not yours, your cane on judgement day is already soaked in river Naija...
Merry Xmas to all my Christain friends

Ubenedictus:
pls where does d bible say Jesus lived exactly 33yrs and 6 months?

Ar u sure u ar a christian??

History convincingly shows that Dec. 25 was
popularized as the date for Christmas, not
because Christ was born on that day but
because it was already popular in pagan
religious celebrations as the birthday of the sun.
But is it possible that December 25 could be
the day of Christ's birth?
"Lacking any scriptural pointers to Jesus's
birthday, early Christian teachers suggested
dates all over the calendar. Clement. . . picked
November 18. Hippolytus . . . figured Christ
must have been born on a Wednesday . . . An
anonymous document[,] believed to have been
written in North Africa around A.D. 243, placed
Jesus's birth on March 28" (Jeffery Sheler, U.S.
News & World Report, "In Search of Christmas,"
Dec. 23, 1996, p. 58).
A careful analysis of Scripture, however, clearly
indicates that Dec. 25 is an unlikely date for
Christ's birth. Here are two primary reasons:
First, we know that shepherds were in the
fields watching their flocks at the time of
Jesus' birth ( Luke:2:7-8 ). Shepherds were not in
the fields during December. According to
Celebrations: The Complete Book of American
Holidays, Luke's account "suggests that Jesus
may have been born in summer or early fall.
Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is
likely the shepherds would have sought shelter
for their flocks at night" (p. 309).
Similarly, The Interpreter's One-Volume
Commentary says this passage argues "against
the birth [of Christ] occurring on Dec. 25 since
the weather would not have permitted"
shepherds watching over their flocks in the fields
at night.
Second, Jesus' parents came to Bethlehem to
register in a Roman census ( Luke:2:1-4 ). Such
censuses were not taken in winter, when
temperatures often dropped below freezing and
roads were in poor condition. Taking a census
under such conditions would have been self-
defeating.
Given the difficulties and the desire to bring
pagans into Christianity, "the important fact
then . . . to get clearly into your head is that the
fixing of the date as December 25th was a
compromise with paganism" (William Walsh, The
Story of Santa Klaus, 1970, p. 62).
If Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25,
does the Bible indicate when He was born?
The biblical accounts point to the fall of the year
as the most likely time of Jesus' birth, based on
the conception and birth of John the Baptist.
Since Elizabeth (John's mother) was in her sixth
month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived
(Luke:1:24-36 ), we can determine the
approximate time of year Jesus was born if we
know when John was born. John's father,
Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem
temple during the course of Abijah (Luke:1:5 ).
Historical calculations indicate this course of
service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year
( The Companion Bible, 1974, Appendix 179, p.
200).
It was during this time of temple service that
Zacharias learned that he and his wife Elizabeth
would have a child (Luke:1:8-13 ). After he
completed his service and traveled home,
Elizabeth conceived ( Luke:1:23-24 ). Assuming
John's conception took place near the end of
June, adding nine months brings us to the end
of March as the most likely time for John's birth.
Adding another six months (the difference in
ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the
end of September as the likely time of Jesus'
birth.

aim5:
Damn this is why the world views Africans as being ignorant. Christmass means the death or dismissal of Christ. The whole concept of Christmas is pagan and I don't get how you people can't grasp it.

Guy shift joor, it's your ilks who make the world think Africans backward for making baseless assumptions. Even after showing you the meaning of mass is "to be sent" you keep clutching on straws.

Well so far no one has proved Christmas is a pagan celebration or the concept, all I keep seeing is a continuous baseless chant.

So many gods were born of these sameday with 3 stars aligning with the sun and had 3 kings who paid them visit. Its just a celebration of Horus (Sun god)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBnSrxzHy7E

maclatunji:
I would not want to be celebrated with lies when I have left this earth.

Does the lying about his birthday not counter any "goodness"?

No it doesn't wat Jesus lived for is d most impt thing n dis greatest man dt ever lived is worth celebrating everyday. One day is nt enough

luvprince4real:
Ar u sure u ar a christian??

i ask one quesion, just it