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it shall never go well with anyone who wants to islamize our beloved country.

[size=20pt] GEJ till 2019 [/size]

Yeah! But it's okay to Christianize the country.

ebenice:
God will disgrace every islamic agenda in Nigeria


This was one of the divine prophecy for 2015... Beware this is just the beginin


And btw wat does nigeria stands to gain econmicaly or scienstificaly by voting for. Abstaining is simply the best policy. No victor no vanquish.


And last bullet
Pls islamic council you are not a constitutional body of nigeria so mind ur islamic business and stop disgracing your self. Hypocrites when av u ever lambast boko aram in public.?

Touche!

[quote author=cjrane post=29406569][/quote]My Prof. You want to Govt to come and tell us why Nigeria did not take side with Palestine? what has that got to do with the Nation, you are now bringing an international issue back home to cause crisises, when will you guys stop. do the palestine know you or your organisation, why are you know crying more than the bereaved? I do not need any explanation from them. When the Saudi Govt refused to give us permit to use their air space, what did you or your organisation do about it, please go and sleep if you have nothing to do.

The nation of Palestine deserves a Statehood. If you don't believe this, then you're either an Israeli, an American or a hypocrite.

[quote author=cjrane post=29406569][/quote]That would simply contradict Nigeria's decision not to allow the existence of the Republic of Biafra. God bless Nigeria

brutef0rce101:
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You bring your madness into a new year, it shows your stupidity can never be cured. Discuss the topic, Oloyede is speaking for his Islamic rubbish and not Yorubas, Leave Yoruba alone. We can help you turn it to a Yeeboe Vs Yoruba thread if that's what you want. Idiat.

pro. oloyede was speaking for himself and from religion angle (Islam), I'm a Yoruba too and also shared same surname with pro. Oloyede and I totally disagreed with his stand, in fact with most of his stands because he always sees every issues from his Islamic point of view at the detriment of his own culture.

goshen26:
"in the latter days perilous time shall come"

So true but one thing is sure- The Lord will keep his own safely.

What have I to do with them when I'm busy campaingning to be president again? Biafra survived? Let them import a courageous Ojukwu from South-East and stop disturbing me please! Ehen Emir, what were we saying before self? Yes I remember, I need your support so that I can beat APC in this forthcoming election...........

Sir, Palestine needs freedom sir!

My friend will you shut up and leave this premises! I have my country on point!......
Palestine ko....Philistine ni. Emir sorry for the interruption....As I wa saying......

kingthreat:
The nation of Palestine deserves a Statehood. If you don't believe this, then you're either an Israeli, an American or a hypocrite.

So does the Republic of Biafra

luvmijeje:
If indeed Israel offered us weapons and assistance how come we are buying arms from Pakistan?

I'm interested in the official reasons why Nigeria abstain from voting. I hope is not because of the above. Internally Jonathan shot himself in the legs with this because he has lose another chunk of minute votes he'll get from the Muslims.

Externally what's the benefits for us? Did the benefits outweigh the harms. Is this decision not going to draw the focus of the enemies of Israel on Nigeria? If it does, do we have the capabilities to take them on? If we don’t, are the Israelis and the Americans ready to budget part of their resources to fight them?

They should give us the official reasons why they abstain from voting?

Madam, let me ask some questions that will help to answer the question you just raised.
First of all, if you were asked to pick a friend, who will you pick as a friend out of an Unborn baby and a matured military man.
Secondary, what has Nigeria gained from supporting states and people that were oppressed in the past(South Africa, Liberia, sierra lone etc)... what did we gain for the support we offered this nations in their trying times.
Thirdly, why are we this concerned about this occupation.. have you forgotten that till this day, Ilorin has been occupied by Fulani... Ilorin, a Yoruba land with a Fulani king... what have you done to fight Fulani occupation of a Yoruba land.. or is it because its Israel here that is involved that is why we are all forming concerned.

Ma once respected VC, d guy just lost na respect. Naija abstained from voting cos we not for or against. I see no reason y d muslims will be crying fowl. D problem of dis country is d muslims. Hardly, before we hear dat christians re killing people here and dere, deh will just sit one place and watch as boko is killing innocent once and now palestine weh no concern us we dhe cry. How many injustice muslims don do weh d useless islamic council complain? Dey re bunch of monkeys dat nids to be discarded. Dey re d onez destroying dis country.

jbabatola:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode]International politics and diplomacy is often devoid of morality and right sense of judgement. It is often negotiated on the basis of ideological convictions, sphere of interest or national interest. Morality and good conscience is often left to issues of crime against humanity and humanitarian causes. In effect, the sovereignty of Palestine is more of a political aspiration which is determined by interest and ideology rather than humanitarian causes.

If Nigeria supports the position of Palestine's independence, it does not guarantee its attainment. Nigeria has always been in the middle by its foreign policy as a leading member of the Non-Aligned Movement. It may even harm Nigeria's national interest and derail its attempt to achieve our future goal of permanent membership of the Security Council from the African region. Britain has been a major player supporting the independence of the Palestine and yet voted against it. Though USA have always supported the sovereignty and survival of the State of Israel, it obvious that the two remains one of Nigeria's strongest allies in International diplomacy.

It would be fool hardy for Nigeria to vote against the interest of its former colonial masters, unless we are going to throw our past relationship and future aspirations in the thrash can. To abstain from voting is therefore a declaration that MY HANDS ARE TIED. If Nigeria had a choice of voting on the grounds of morality and good conscience, it is obvious that our vote will be for the independence of the Palestine. Nigeria had benefited much from Israel but it would not holistically dissuade us doing what is right, if the right atmosphere is available.

One thing is certain, as long as international terrorism, militancy, islamization and forceful use of arms across borders between Israel and Palestine is unresolved, there will be unending issues in the determination of the Palestine State. The wars of the local militia is enough reason to fear and the spit over effects on other regions.

As long as the world leaders are unable to predict with certainty, the goals and capabilities of Palestine leaders in managing the future and fortunes of the Palestine State with clear definition of commitment to international and regional peace and security in the Middle East with evidence of tolerance to all faith and sects to thrive, the independence of Palestine will be compromised.

For USA to support Palestine's independence, issues involved with determining the geographical space and territory to be conceded to Palestine including the limits ot access to Jerusalem, Bethelehem, Gaza strip, occupied territory etc must be resolved. It would be difficult to have a highly islamized Palestine in Middle East like Syria, Iran and Iraq (Arabs) because that would further heighten the problems of Israel and other Western nations and their allies.

The history of that region has shown in the last ten centuries that they have pursued international diplomacy and war from the point of expansionist agenda of jihadists who wish to either islamise the world and spread arabic culture from North and Eastern Africa to Southern Europe and Asia region, looking at the expanse of Ottoman Turkish Empire and the showdown leading to the fight with the CRUSADERS. The same is unabated till date, looking at the scenario in the Middle East particularly in Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.

Liberating a people as the world did in Lebanon did not bring total peace to that region. If Palestine are left to run their own state, the world need to provide a lot of answers for their future engagements and agenda. You don't strengthen a belligerent to have capacity and recognition to put you in a corner. Acquisition of nuclear arms by such state may render the world totally obliterated overnight since they believe that killing the infidels (people of those faith and conviction) will grant them access to Al-Janna.

The western allies would find it difficult to further strengthening of the Arab world at the detriment of other world powers and their allies because it would put would be putting the world in further jeopardy, if care is not taken. Moreover, the passage of the Gaza strip to Asia from Europe and the use of the airspace across the region by various allies requires a deep reflection on the character of the Palestine State and their benefits to all allies.

When international diplomacy and politics is considered within this scope and other emanating features, the grant of independence to Palestine will not be determined purely from the character of the spirit of self-determination, but on the strength of the character and spirit of regional stability, world peace and security.

Let Palestine make more efforts to assure the world of their readiness not to use their freedom to disturb others nor to oppress their own people and be convinced that political sovereignty and independence is not a matter of purely self determination, but of world peace and security. It is only then that morality and good conscience would help in their favour. I love my moslem brothers just like my christian faithful, but I will rather be silent or support any idea to guarantee peace in the face of freedom. If a potential law breaker is left in prison or correction centre to amend its way, it gives the people some measure of peace, rather than to let him loose and commit another crime. Freedom is a prize that must be given, if only it will guarantee peace, equality and respect of other peoples' right.[/font]

Go back to history and check the voting pattern of Nigeria and none Allign nations. They have always voted for the palestinian course. Sometimes NEUTRALITY IS TAKING SIDE as in this case,if not why is isreal praising Nigeria? You are right Nigerias voting yes would not have changed anything because America will veto. the more reason why Nigeria would have stick to their known foreign policy stand and allow America to veto, that way no one will complain and America will be judge for their decision as usual,but pushing the trick on Nigeria and GEJ to succumb? common,this only shows the kind of person he is

Akinmail:
I condemn Nigeria’s stance on the Palestine issue too.

OYO for u

Dis is just d reason 4 sai buhari!!..dey never bear true alligance to Nigeria but islamisation & sharia. Do u think there no muslims in US, UK, france?!..how many of dem critisized deir country?...if GEJ IS not re elected, dat is d end of d road 4 Nigeria!!

bushdoc9919:
UK support for Palestine....now that is a long and complex story.

Telling it requires another thread. Suffice that from 1917-48...the British were in charge of the Holy Land...and they tried to keep the peace between the Jews and the Arabs....but by 1948...THEY got fed up and left. The State of Israel was declared at that time...followed by the first Arab-Israeli war.

. Yes, d war was called d Seven Days War. I knw all dat, wit d Balfour Declaration of 1948 dat led to d state of Israel. Note: UK will always go wia d US goes cos dia relationship is like an umblical cord relationship.

kingthreat:
The nation of Palestine deserves a Statehood. If you don't believe this, then you're either an Israeli, an American or a hypocrite.

Good point
similarly, Ilorin, a Yoruba land in Nigeria deserves a Yoruba king

Ikengawo:
This is how they sold Abiola to his death for bread. This is why politicians there campaign with rice. This is why Buhari beat and imprisoned Awolowo and they are campaigning harder for Buhari today than anyone alive, but when Achebe said Awolowo was looking out for Yoruba interests, it was a 6 month media war because Achebe had died and attacking him wouldn't require any courage.

I like them as a people but when their mind is unveiled by the wayward nature of their baseless political thought..I realize that we're fundamentally different. They simply don't make sense.

You calling us coward when the real cowards are you ppl. Remember 1967,when we killed ur grandfathers and grandmothers.

Many of were asking what Nigeria s benefiting from Palestine, but failed to analyse what we are benefiting from Israel. Nigeria refused to vote for or against is a clear indication that we voted against Palestine. We are making more enemies than friends, world powers (Israel, US, Britain etc) dont like us, we are being used to achieve their ambition. There are serious internal problems begging to be solved and affecting Nigerians; instead we are meddling with international affairs. Forming ally with Isreal was a great mistake on the part of Mr President (I dont know how we have benefited from that), we are multi religious nation that suppose to use that opportunity to preach for Religious Tolerance.

olalekan1:
Many of were asking what Nigeria s benefiting from Palestine, but failed to analyse what we are benefiting from Israel. Nigeria refused to vote for or against is a clear indication that we voted against Palestine. We are making more enemies than friends, world powers (Israel, US, Britain etc) dont like us, we are being used to achieve their ambition. There are serious internal problems begging to be solved and affecting Nigerians; instead we are meddling with international affairs. Forming ally with Isreal was a great mistake on the part of Mr President (I dont know how we have benefited from that), we are multi religious nation that suppose to use that opportunity to preach for Religious Tolerance.

Oga in international politics, there no permanent friend or permanent enemies.. there are only permanent interest
Example: The same US and Russia that teemed up to form the allies during World war 2 to fight the germans, became bitter enemies during the cold war

ikweremilitant:
my broda atimes d mentality of dis nija muslims ratles me.hw could they expect us to vote aganst an ally in favour of parasites all in d name of useles solidarity.is it nt d same solidarity we showed to south africa,liberia and serre lone?and yet what did we get in return?nija no dy look uche face agan o.

thanks bros. Na the south africa na dey vex me pass. Till today, I dey regret.

bushdoc9919:
I always keep on hearing about plans to islamise Nigeria. While I know there are fundamentalists....tell me, how possible would it be for anyone using government powers to islamise the country...without provoking war.?

In Chad in the 70's....one of their leaders tried to make everyone follow the culture of his tribe....of course there was war....which took chad years to come out from.

And we saw the effect of the Islamisation issue in Sudan....the breakup of the country (Garang wanted it to stay united....but even he could not stop the inevitable).

So tell me....while I know that there are some jokers who actually want to do this....how would Nigeria be islamised without there being one big war that would make Somalia look good? pLUS...MILLIONS of naira of investments lost....especially by many of the same islamist hausas that you think want to do this. Plus the hig refugee crisis. Plus the millions dead, and wounded. Plus the eventual threat of foreign itervention?And is the Christian faith of Nigerians so weak that they would suddenly change religion at the drop of a hat. Would any leader...even a Muslim...risk decades of relative stability for some silly fantasy?

Please....stop scaremongering. We must fight this elections on the issues....the most important of which is the reduction of the oil price. Not on silly scaremongering that would only create more problems.

If possible, u deserve 1 million likes from. U made sense die.

ikeola6:
Aljazeera tagged Nigeria's act as international bribery,as it is easy to conclude that Israel and US both influenced Nigeria's decision.

ofcourse, aljazera is based in Doha, the capital city of Qatar. and Qatar is the biggest supporters of Palestine. you get my point?

IdiAmin1:
Some silly abok*is are meddling with issues of world politics. What do we have to gain from Palestine? Why didn't they condemn Gowon or Britain for not recognising Biafra? Weren't Biafrans agitating for sovereignty too? Religious-confused 1diats

for posting the truth, u must go far in life, say Amen

Ikengawo:
yoruba pseudo-intellectuals are a serious national handicap. I've never seen a group of people so completely void of a stance, viewpoint or backbone. Anything that happens they'll sway with the breeze and be for and against it at the exact same time, and it's never and issue the helps or advances their own people. They'll always own the issues of others on their own head while their own homeland is devoured by others. While this man is clamoring for Nigeria to condemn Israeli occupation of Palestine, Fulani occupation of Illorin is never mentioned because it would require them to show some sort of courage or actual sacrifice. As long as they can talk from a distance they channel their lust for bad belle and gossip into that issue so intensely that it will shock anyone. Then when it comes time to discuss the issues that effect them, nothing. All because that would require them to do something immediate and courageous. They'll just talk and talk without being for or against everything while being for and against everything at the same time.

Let mister Oloyede vote to recognize an Oba of Illorin to the face of it's Fulani Emir. Which one concerns you with Palestine? Even the Bakassi that Obasanjo sold to Cameroon, what is his stance on this? Ridiculous

My brother. U hit the nail on the head. When I hear the word "Emir of Ilorin", I just shake my head. I'm Igala by tribe. Though we may be small in number, we do not cede our territories. Never. Even when the Fulanis tried to fight us at Bagana, they were greeted with a resistance so stiff, the Fulanis have concluded that they need to change their route and boycott Bagana. Its not too late for the Yorubas to take back Ilorin, if they actually want to

[quote author=cjrane post=29406569][/quote]Politics at any level is a game of interest....whoever wrote this clearly does not understand international politics....its not religion....its strictly politics

tonychristopher:
What is really wrong with these Nigerian Muslims and this Yoruba man is talking

How I wish we can go our separate ways so all these madness will end

There is no where on Earth today where the original teachings of jesus is still practiced. Christianity has been distorted. Dear christians rather than give your hard-earned money to some pastor worth millions, give to the poor on the streets who need it

Ikengawo:
yoruba pseudo-intellectuals are a serious national handicap. I've never seen a group of people so completely void of a stance, viewpoint or backbone. Anything that happens they'll sway with the breeze and be for and against it at the exact same time, and it's never and issue the helps or advances their own people. They'll always own the issues of others on their own head while their own homeland is devoured by others. While this man is clamoring for Nigeria to condemn Israeli occupation of Palestine, Fulani occupation of Illorin is never mentioned because it would require them to show some sort of courage or actual sacrifice. As long as they can talk from a distance they channel their lust for bad belle and gossip into that issue so intensely that it will shock anyone. Then when it comes time to discuss the issues that effect them, nothing. All because that would require them to do something immediate and courageous. They'll just talk and talk without being for or against everything while being for and against everything at the same time.

Let mister Oloyede vote to recognize an Oba of Illorin to the face of it's Fulani Emir. Which one concerns you with Palestine? Even the Bakassi that Obasanjo sold to Cameroon, what is his stance on this? Ridiculous

You got it very wrong here. Your initial post was great. The statement made by the secretary of NSCIA( an Islamic body) is the position of that organisation and not that of the yoruba tribe. expressing anger and probably tribal hatred for the yoruba's by linking the tribe to an action taken by an islamic organisation is quite unfortunate. I do not think the Yoruba tribe fits to your assumption on them. in nigeria every tribe have a descriminatory definition of another tribe. Ask a yoruba person , hausa/fulani , calarbar, edo, ijaw, igala, igbira and other tribes to define or telling about the igbo person , You would be suprise by what would come out of their mouth, which would majorly show tribal hatred for your tribe. So this issue is not about tribe but about interest of that particular body

dannydaniels:
its not like its our fault abeg.....
naija was forced to do so...





meanwhile


GEJ till i kwench

Ah! You mean you have an idea of when you will quench Chei! 2015 or 2019