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Ifeann
i may not have the privilege to reply quickly again................. I noticed that apart from calling me an hypocrite you didnt mention anything about what we were discussing b4 'slavery'. We keep jumping from topics to topics............. With my little knowlege, I think almost all the hadith has stories before the narration. And these stories are not repeated in similar narrations. The story of what happened in Qisas is in Sahih Al Bukhari Book 83, Hadith 37. I have little knowlege about the ruling on apostates............. About the verses you quoted in the last part of your posts. Well, you yourself mentioned that the Qur'an says its clear in its meaning. But perphaps you forgot that it is referring to people who reflect and people of understanding........ I think almost everyone is aware that Nigeria's constitution allows killing. But even though we may not all be aware of all the circumstances in which this is allowed, no sane Nigerian will kill for a single reason that the constitution allows it....................You clearly stated that your faith (Jesus teachings) does not support politics, military. I also say, It doesnt say much about banking and some social stuffs pple engage in. Then I wonder how you Judge that military is bad against oppresion. If military is that bad, then what solution does your believe provides to a situation where your state is attacked militarily? ....................................................... Though you may not agree with all what I hace written so far. I have a suggetion::::::::::::::.::::::::::::::::::::::::::: A man shares his limited food with rodents and pests so he bought pesticides and poison . A man came to him saying, poison is bad, it could kill the little children in the house if they ingest it. He does not bother to know what the man uses it for, he kept saying repeatedly poison is bad. Dont you think it wud hav been a better idea if the man says 'use a trap instead cos its more efficient and not harmful to the babies'?..........instead of objecting and claiming, why not suggest alternatives. These would show you understand very well what you are criticising.......... God knows best and may God guide us right. Peace.

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Ifeann
i may not have the privilege to reply quickly again................. I noticed that apart from calling me an hypocrite you didnt mention anything about what we were discussing b4 'slavery'. We keep jumping from topics to topics............. With my little knowlege, I think almost all the hadith has stories before the narration. And these stories are not repeated in similar narrations. The story of what happened in Qisas is in Sahih Al Bukhari Book 83, Hadith 37. I have little knowlege about the ruling on apostates............. About the verses you quoted in the last part of your posts. Well, you yourself mentioned that the Qur'an says its clear in its meaning. But perphaps you forgot that it is referring to people who reflect and people of understanding........ I think almost everyone is aware that Nigeria's constitution allows killing. But even though we may not all be aware of all the circumstances in which this is allowed, no sane Nigerian will kill for a single reason that the constitution allows it....................You clearly stated that your faith (Jesus teachings) does not support politics, military. I also say, It doesnt say much about banking and some social stuffs pple engage in. Then I wonder how you Judge that military is bad against oppresion. If military is that bad, then what solution does your believe provides to a situation where your state is attacked militarily? ....................................................... Though you may not agree with all what I hace written so far. I have a suggetion::::::::::::::.::::::::::::::::::::::::::: A man shares his limited food with rodents and pests so he bought pesticides and poison . A man came to him saying, poison is bad, it could kill the little children in the house if they ingest it. He does not bother to know what the man uses it for, he kept saying repeatedly poison is bad. Dont you think it wud hav been a better idea if the man says 'use a trap instead cos its more efficient and not harmful to the babies'?..........instead of objecting and claiming, why not suggest alternatives. These would show you understand very well what you are criticising.......... God knows best and may God guide us right. Peace.

Islam is a political ideology based on totalitarianism. That is why we have oppressive Islamic countries. 2 clear examples Saudi Arabia and Iran. Christians are not even allowed in parts of Saudi. Christians and even sunnis are oppressed in Iran. The same way shia are murdered in sunni strong holds. Religious Governments don't work.

This is why there is separation of church and state because Governments and corruption go together like bread and butter.

How my country decides to deal with criminals, boko haram, invaders, attackers etc is my Governments business but I will support my government as long as it does not condone or perpetuate evil. The Islamic ottoman empire perpetuated evil and killed millions of Armenians. Did other Muslims go out and help them. NO because the crime was perpetuated by an Islamic empire.
Christain charity groups have been catering for Muslims in refugee camps in the north despite fears of boko haram expansion. I wonder if Muslims would help christains if the opposite was the case.
I am tired of explaining to u. U can bring up another topic, slavery, whatever etc.

Ifeann:
Islam is a political ideology based on totalitarianism. That is why we have oppressive Islamic countries. 2 clear examples Saudi Arabia and Iran. Christians are not even allowed in parts of Saudi. Christians and even sunnis are oppressed in Iran. The same way shia are murdered in sunni strong holds. Religious Governments don't work.

This is why there is separation of church and state because Governments and corruption go together like bread and butter.

How my country decides to deal with criminals, boko haram, invaders, attackers etc is my Governments business but I will support my government as long as it does not condone or perpetuate evil. The Islamic ottoman empire perpetuated evil and killed millions of Armenians. Did other Muslims go out and help them. NO because the crime was perpetuated by an Islamic empire.
Christain charity groups have been catering for Muslims in refugee camps in the north despite fears of boko haram expansion. I wonder if Muslims would help christains if the opposite was the case.
I am tired of explaining to u. U can bring up another topic, slavery, whatever etc.

Sometimes when a statement is made you will definitely know it's either as a result of ignorance or mischief.

When Judas betrayed Jesus, it is not because Jesus did not teach him well it's because Judas has to play his part in fulfilling a destiny.

If you really know about Islam as you have claimed, then how come you missed sahih Al Bukhari book 3 hadith 80...... Abu Dawud, Atima 11; Tirmidhi, I. Hannah, 5.441. And other hadith that states the happenings when the antichrist is near.

About charity, you made it sound as if only christains do it. You asked me to read the Quran and bible, but if you have been doing that I think you will know about a verse which encourage Muslims to give out charity with the right hand such that the left hand do not know.
God knows best. Peace.

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