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davien:
lol ....therefore hydrogen atoms in the sun don't fuse to form helium right?!
This is the underlying problem with people like benalvino2 and you....you extend the use of a principle to what it isn't used for and then declare a profound discovery...

herald9:



But I've still proved a point... just think about it...

davien:
No you haven't, you just displayed your ignorance blatantly...your case at best can be highlighted as the horizon problem(or at worst) which was solved by alan guth...

Ooopz! punch received...absorbed... straightens #

OK!
Your big bang fairy tale doesn't make any sense either...

How did these exploding particles get there in the first place? What was there before?

How could everything just appear out of nothing and starts random explosions?

If all the planets were created that way,how come most of them are not spinning in the same direction?

Do you know this theory clearly violates the first law of thermodynamics which states that matter can neither be created nor destroyed?

Can you also use big bang theory to explain the formation of humans and other complex organisms?

herald9:
Ooopz! punch received...absorbed... straightens #

OK!
Your big bang fairy tale doesn't make any sense either...

How did these exploding particles get there in the first place? What was there before?

How could everything just appear out of nothing and starts random explosions?

If all the planets were created that way,how come most of them are not spinning in the same direction?

Do you know this theory clearly violates the first law of thermodynamics which states that matter can neither be created nor destroyed?

Can you also use big bang theory to explain the formation of humans and other complex organisms?

davien:
lol you spew willful ignorance...

All this rigmarole won't get you anywhere... believing in what you know is not true is just like Christians believing in an Almighty God....As you spend every moment trying to rationalize their mind,also endeavour to expunge yours of this hogwash scientific mythology...


Two wrongs can't make a right

herald9:
All this rigmarole won't get you anywhere... believing in what you know is not true is just like Christians believing in an Almighty God....As you spend every moment trying to rationalize their mind,also endeavour to expunge yours of this hogwash scientific mythology...


Two wrongs can't make a right

davien:
I keep telling dimwits like you this...I do not have to believe anything for it to be true....if it is true...it is true objectively...but in your case we have a situation where a "truth" is only true due to interpretation a.k.a subjective views...

You keep driving your points with insults...is this how atheists behave?

Proof I'm a dimwit by answering those questions I forwarded to you...

I can't see why it's easy to believe in an intelligent atomic particles than to believe in an intelligent unknown Creator

herald9:
You keep driving your points with insults...is this how atheists behave?

Proof I'm a dimwit by answering those questions I forwarded to you...

I can't see why it's easy to believe in an intelligent atomic particles than to believe in an intelligent unknown Creator

davien:
Before,I used to try to communicate without insults,but when someone is behaving like a shi.tty dimwit...I just have to call them out on it....
And the bolded gives an airtight case...what atheist believes any of that,dimwit..
Is this the height religion has re.tard.ed you to?

Well, I'm not in the mood to insult now....continue...it's your profession.

I used the word 'intelligent ' because you people made it look so...

You know how complex the universe is and the living things within... it's only an intelligent being that is capable of maneuvering whether matter or whatever it is to bring them into existence...
So if you say some random exploding particles caused it...then those particles must really be intelligent.

RikoduoSennin:
I am sorry if I come across as someone who "likes to say things- express himself often" as it were.

Why I asked those questions, was to help you reason on a simple truth: Faith is stems from evidence, Unseen things can be proven. Plus I don't understand how a christian would say his/her faith is blind faith?

herald9:
Well, I'm not in the mood to insult now....continue...it's your profession.

I used the word 'intelligent ' because you people made it look so...

You know how complex the universe is and the living things within... it's only an intelligent being that is capable of maneuvering whether matter or whatever it is to bring them into existence...
So if you say some random exploding particles caused it...then those particles must really be intelligent.

herald9:
Well, I'm not in the mood to insult now....continue...it's your profession.

I used the word 'intelligent ' because you people made it look so...

You know how complex the universe is and the living things within... it's only an intelligent being that is capable of maneuvering whether matter or whatever it is to bring them into existence...
So if you say some random exploding particles caused it...then those particles must really be intelligent.

davien:
If your senses alone can deceive you,how is faith a better alternative?

GooseBaba:
So you agree that the universe is complex and it's only an intelligent being that could be responsible. Now tell me how can such intelligent being write/inspires a book that common man can add and remove from his message.. . Hence his threats "revelation 22:19 "..... Does that sound like an intelligent being that is responsible for such complexities of the universe...

Weah96:
Dude, if human beings live to be 1000 years old, having babies around 100 is not a miracle. What's wrong with you? If you knew anything about human physiology, you would know that a human being who lives to be 1000 years old MUST have a COMPLETELY different body than we do.

So quit saying that Abraham had seen a miracle before. Only a foolish person will believe that a human being can live to be 1000 years old but is only fertile for 40 or 60 of those years (like NORMAL human beings who don't live to be 1000 years old). That's brain disease stupidity. What the authors are doing is taking some aspects of normal human life, like the biological childbearing clock, and applying the EXACT same clock to the 1000 year old humanoid things like Abraham and Sarah. Nonsense.

If you're 1000 years old, you're NOT a human being. There is no miracle!! It's normal for humanoids with a 1000 yr life span to give birth at 100 yrs. What's so abnormal about that birth to you?

johnw74:
Faith is God given we can take no credit, it's all God's work in us,

johnw74:
I posted the scripture but it is up to you to believe it or not.

johnw74:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

johnw74:
Since I have never said that faith is blind, I don't know why you mention it to me.

johnw74:
Having faith - believing in God without a doubt when you cannot prove He exists , is proof that faith is God given.

johnw74:
I have said before that you should read posts until you understand them instead of telling people things they never said.
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RikoduoSennin:
Did the maker of Rolex declare himself to be a God? Did he/she meet the require of being a God?

Then, how can I worship him when he himself is a creation?

@ bolded, not necessary that I knew that watches are created: but more about complex gears and wheels working together in precision can't come by chance.

The earth is more complex and precise that Rolex time piece, so it can't come about by chance.

You have heard that God is the creator of earth you choose to ignore that. Human's are limited to what we can perceive

RikoduoSennin:
Well then, It depends on who you put faith ob, God or your Senses. God does not lie but our senses do- that's why skilled illutionist strive.

herald9:
Did I say anywhere that the intelligent being owns a book?

GooseBaba:
You certainly did not... But can you explain how you came to an intelligent being concept.?

herald9:
All I was trying to say is,a house must have a builder...

Blocks cannot just roll and bump into each other to form a wall and trees start slicing themselves in perfect and required shapes to form the roof...Someone must have done that.

Telling me it's some random explosion of gases that gives birth to the universe sounds silly to me.

Common sense should've told us that explosion causes chaos not otherwise...

It's just like planting a bomb in your house and expecting it to blow up and form three or more beautiful houses....

Mind you,I'm coming from a deistic perspective...so you can now understand my situation.

herald9:
All I was trying to say is,a house must have a builder...

Blocks cannot just roll and bump into each other to form a wall and trees start slicing themselves in perfect and required shapes to form the roof...Someone must have done that.

Telling me it's some random explosion of gases that gives birth to the universe sounds silly to me.

Common sense should've told us that explosion causes chaos not otherwise...

It's just like planting a bomb in your house and expecting it to blow up and form three or more beautiful houses....

Mind you,I'm coming from a deistic perspective...so you can now understand my situation.

Weah96:
There's nothing wrong with deism IMO. It's only the divine dictation part that troubles me. Why are they lying about speaking to the thing that started the universe? They're clearly lying because the description of the thing sounds like a super human being.

Let's agree that something started the universe. Let's agree to call that something God. Why would the thing call God then dictate a book to one or two human beings and ask them to share it among the rest?

I would be within my rights to slap any believer who cannot prove that the thing called God actually speaks to human beings.

herald9:
Deism doesn't deal with divine interference ...
The problem is...we don't know where the intelligent being is...and we can't just come in terms with exploding matter...

GooseBaba:
From deist perspective how did you come to an "intelligent being concept "..?

herald9:
Do you have comprehension problem?

GooseBaba:
Calm the fuvk down..

Deism is the believe in God...the question remains, how did you come to a intelligent being concept..?

Weah96:
I was referring to theists not deists. Like I said, I understand the position of the deist. The position can be defended logically provided that no one comes waving a manual from the intelligent being.

herald9:
Deism isn't a believe in God...It is a believe in a Creator who doesn't have interference with the laws of the universe.

Much as God and Creator seem synonymous, I would like to believe they're not actually the same thing.

A God would want people to worship him bla bla bla etc...
A Creator only performs his duty of creation and dispensation.

So having cleared that,I would want you to read my previous post...No time to explain all over again.

GooseBaba:
So is your deistic creator synonymous intelligent being..?

I ask this question because i have never heard a deist use the word intelligent being to describe god/creator..

RikoduoSennin:
So you mean everyone today who doesn't have faith is because God refuse to give them. So God refuse to give some persons faith then he punish them and you call that FREE WILL. (John 3:16 gives us the choice)

When Jesus told Peter " Oh ye, of little faith" was he implying that God gave Peter little Faith?

Please Explain Romans 10:17 " So Faith comes from what is HEARD, and what is HEARD comes by the preaching of Christ" compare Romans 10:10,14





After comparing different bible translation, I don't think that scripture mean what you think it means.




What is the Gift of God mentioned in that scripture above? Is it (A) Grace (B) Faith (C) Salvation (D) All the above

KEY: Verse 9 and the context leading to that verse 8;
Remember Faith without works is dead- So Faith goes with Works hand in hand. Does God give some persons WEAK Faith.



Who said this in the beginning of his post on this thread:



The bolded is the ball of contention here, that's is what brought about this dilly dally dance we both involved in. Don't tell me you don't remember all your previous posts?




I do read posts, I TRY to understand them, if I don't I split and quote them, so that others can see what I am commenting on, You forgot your first post.

herald9:
What do you mean?

If someone is responsible for an amazing creation like this...Don't I have a right to use any adjective to describe him?