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overhypedsteve:
mumu. So how did you get here?

Look at my first ever then you'll know. All south africans got to nairaland the same way. They were googling South Africa and lo and behold, nigerians on nairaland had created topic after topic on south africa.

You are a dreamer, boet.

A lot of us didn't even know that Nairaland existed. Let alone this thread.

saengine:
http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Nigeria-calls-for-support-after-deadliest-Boko-Haram-attack-20150111

Nigeria calls for support after 'deadliest' Boko Haram attack


Abuja - Nigeria's military has called for support in tackling Boko Haram after a major attack on a key northeast town that is feared could be the worst in the bloody six-year insurgency.

Nigeria's military - West Africa's largest - has faced repeated criticism for failing to end the six-year Islamist insurgency, as well as allegations of human rights abuses.Appropriate plans

Soldiers have complained of a lack of adequate weapons and even refused to deploy to take on the better-armed rebels, who want to create a hardline Islamic state in northeast Nigeria.

Hayi suka! Abas'yeke phansi! Abanaplan abana niks. Abo njivane nje.

saengine:
Show me the "good parts" of that article i left out. Whoever wants to read the full article can click on the link.

It also says operations are ongoing and when you read it, you will understand that any statement by the General is followed by a negative commentary. This is what we have to put up with whether true or not. @Henry120's article posted on the previous page says it all. Every conceivable opportunity to run down the armed services is taken and all the successes that are ongoing and have happened are largely ignored by both the domestic and foreign media. Who has to gain by this? I have been consistent in saying this.

DieVluit:
Look at my first ever then you'll know. All south africans got to nairaland the same way. They were googling South Africa and lo and behold, nigerians on nairaland had created topic after topic on south africa.

I am a dreamer, boet.

A lot of us south African wankers didn't even know that Nairaland existed. Let alone this thread.

oga. You re obsessed with nairaland admit it. It doesn't matter how you got here. All of us came across nairaland from Google searches. Nobody brought the link inviting us to come. So why are you denying the fact that you ve spent 5 days and some hours of your life in a nigerian forum. In my own opinion i think we re all enjoying the forum i don't understand all this your statement about getting nairaland from a Google search. Were you expecting someone to send the link to your post box. the fact is that you engage a valuable portion of your time on NL.

jl115:
Whats your point?That Nigeria has a bigger problem with terrorism than Kenya?

Nigeria has 90 million Muslims, how many Muslims are in Kenya?

Yes with 90 million Muslims, bigger than the whole nation of Kenya itself, logic says Nigeria will have a bigger terrorism problem.

Pakistan has a bigger terrorsim problem than Kenya....is it because Pakistani military is weaker than Kenyan military?
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Henry120:
[size=16pt]Baga: the carnage, inaccurate reportage and Government ‘indifference’ Part 1[/size]

Last week, the world was inundated with news of the attack on Baga town by the extremist group, Jama'atu Ahlis Sunna Lidda'Awati Wal-Jihad ("People Committed to the Prophet's Teachings for Propagation and Jihad", otherwise known as Boko Haram. Baga is in the north-eastern Nigerian Borno State, close to Lake Chad. It lies north-east of the town of Kukawa which is the headquarters of the Kukawa Local Government Area. The town is approximately 196km from Maiduguri, the capital of Borno State.

Indeed, Baga is more or less a border community and this played a significant role in its being chosen as headquarters of the Multinational Joint Task Force MJTF, comprising troops from Nigeria, Chad, Niger and Cameroon—put together as a multilateral response to neutralising the menace posed by Boko Haram. To the residents of Baga town, and given the various brushes they have had with the extremist group, it is doubtful if this joint force is actually worth the piece of paper containing the instruments that decreed its existence.

The attack last week came on the heels of the withdrawal of Chadian forces from the base at Baga, two days before Boko Haram came calling. According to Nigerian security sources quoted by domestic media, the Chadians claimed they were rotating their troops. The Cameroonians have never contributed to the force, while the Nigeriens, in the aftermath of the attack in question, have announced that they will not be sending troops anytime soon. According to foreign media sources, Niger’s foreign minister, Mohamed Bazoum, has clearly affirmed that his country would not step in to help recapture the area.

At this very moment, Nigerian forces are involved in coordinated ground and air operations to dislodge the terror group from Baga, discountenancing any regional support for such effort. If past history is anything to go by, they will prevail soonest but what often happens after that (revenge attacks by the group in the face of poor garrisoning efforts by security forces) is raising apprehension already. Perhaps, relying on a regional strategy was useful for mobilising against Boko Haram in the first place, but domestic observers of Nigerian diplomacy have always felt that such regional effort should only be political, while Nigeria single-handedly provide a military response, something they believe she is capable of doing as long as the local population in areas sympathetic to Boko Haram sided with the authorities.

So how did Nigeria get to this sorry pass? Indeed, several successes have been made by Nigerian forces against Boko Haram, but these are hardly reported, even by the domestic press in Nigeria. Should Boko Haram take a town somewhere however, it is often reported with glee by both local and foreign media. The pattern of the insurgency over the past year has been such that Boko Haram, with the exception of a few towns, actually is not controlling the expanse of territory ascribed to it by the press. It is usually flushed out of any town or village it has taken, often a few days after such ‘capture,’ by Nigerian forces. The group is however quite adept at propaganda and seems ahead of the Nigerians in utilising this to maximum advantage.

Read more at http://www.gaiya.net/

[size=16pt]The real truth comes out !
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GreenandGold:
No terrorist runs towns in Kenya..... Kenya does something you cowards will never do.

Kenya does NOT have 20,000 citizens rising up at home with AK-47, RPG, 23mm Cannon to wage war on their homesoil.

When they have it, we will see Kenyan military tremble, they spent 4 days dancing around a few El-Shabbab men that took over a shopping mall inside Nairobi, the whole Kenyan army and airforce was so confused they ran out of ideas then foolishly decided to use RPG on their own people to penetrate a shopping mall that had civilian hostages held inside ! When inside the mall, Kenyan soldiers began looting and stealing traders jwellery robbing the same people they were sent to save, is that an army?

Kenyan military fumbled and wobbled against about 10 terrorists that have no T-55 tanks.

Let Kenya first fight against 20,000 terrorists on home soil and win, then Kenyans can start talking.

Elshabbab still attacked and killed people inside Kenya just yesterday, they live in fear in Nairobi because terror has been plaguing them since 1998....

Kenyan military has failed to defeat terrorism for 16 years !
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GreenandGold:
Show us a single sentence which says that "SAAF Mirage was modified into Cheetah jet by ISRAEL".

LOL, its common public knowledge all over internet since over 20 years ago. Simple google search will give you more than 5 sources
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jl115:
"War experience comes by fighting, Nigeria has that experience that South Africa is craving for and not getting"
How retaaarded are you?
Why would we be craving for war?

Where did I say SA should crave for war? I said you crave for combat experience which you DON'T have in your Hollywood SANDF.

Crave for war or not, there is war all over Africa, SANDF should wake up like real men and go fight to save smaller African countries like C.A.R Bangui where you ran away because Seleka teenage boys showed that real war is different from military photography album production.

Stop making excuses that South Africa has nothing to gain in C.A.R, why should you only help weaker African brothers if you are promised mineral wealth for deploying SANDF, is your SANDF a mercenary force.....soldiers of fortune and rewards?
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jl115:
Well would you look at that! 3 valours and 2 Heroin subs operational!
Well there goes your argument.

Only 1 of your 4 Frigates is operational
Only 1 of your 3 submarines is operational.
All 26 South-African Augusta helicopters grounded
Only 3 C-130's are operational.
9 Gripen pilots for 26 jets
10 helicopters for a country with a 1.2km area

Makes a person wonder, why South-Africa even bothers with a military in the first place .

Patchesagain:
Augustus

You cannot argue your way out of this

Professional researchers and acadics have found that nigeria is the 16th most failed state in the world

This is hard fact - indesputable.

The same whitemen professional researchers did NOT declare and publish the United Kingdom as a failed state when IRA terrorist waged a 27 year old religious war against Great Britain on British home-soil, but now white men list a black Nigeria as a failed state when we fight a religious war at home. Racism means double standards, so the whites have a new vocabulary that applies only to black and colored nations.

If those publishers can publish that the U.K. was a failed state for 27 years fighting IRA terrorists, then we will accept the same definition for Nigeria.

Oh, I forgot, South Africa too was a failed state for 30 years while fighting ANC terrorists
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Patchesagain:
And so?

The same corruption that brought you 26 Jets you cannot fly after 16 years, the same corruption that has left your inept navy with only 1 operational frigate, that same corruption has lead to a 100 million rand in corrupt contract for the re-fit of a single ship.

This is the "And so".

Anyway, corruption in the South-African military procurement process is common place.

Patchesagain:
Been posted many times

No, never !

#Show us the Reuters witness's revised Bangui battle report !
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jl115:
Whats your point? The fact that we upgrade our ships every few years and the NN doesnt?

Actually, it's the fact that for every refit, your inept military handlers have to fork out 100 million rand in corrupt kick-backs.

Patchesagain:
Far higher than you

And the fact remains - you are the 16th most failed state in the world. As confirmed by professionals in the feild

Remember you have no insurgency, yet,

69 south-Africans are murdered everyday in South-Africa.

Henry120:
Remember you have no insurgency yet,

69 south-Africans are murdered everyday in South-Africa.

how many Nigerians are murdered everyday in Nigeria?omit insurgency

Henry120:
[size=16pt]The cost of the SAS Amatola’s refit may have been inflated by R100-million[/size]


THE Department of Defence has funnelled R406-million for ship maintenance and repairs to a private company because it says it can no longer look after its own fleet.
And the fortunate recipient of taxpayers’ cash is a company chaired and co-owned by the founder of the Friends of Jacob Zuma Trust, Don Mkhwanazi.

Southern African Shipyards, in which Mkhwanazi has a 48% stake together with its CEO, Prasheen Maharaj, has benefited from six naval contracts in the past three years, including a R335-million deal to refit the arms deal frigate SAS Amatola.
The department said it had had to outsource the work because of “capacity constraints” at the Simon’s Town naval dockyard. But the Durban company’s lucrative relationship with the military has raised concerns and prompted a call for a probe by the auditor-general.

The Sunday Times has established that:
The R335-million Amatola refit tender has ballooned to about R360-million because of “unforeseen events”;



Several industry experts said the original contract amount was inflated by between R60-million and R100-million;

The cost — one of the most expensive navy refits by a private firm — prompted questions in parliament by DA defence shadow minister David Maynier. In a written response two weeks ago, Defence and Military Veterans Minister Nosiviwe MapisaNqakula confirmed that R406million was being paid to Southern African Shipyards; and

Unlike the latest frigate refit tender issued earlier this year, the Amatola tender was not handled by Armscor but by the navy’s own procurement centre. Despite insisting the Amatola contract was put out to public tender, the navy has steadfastly refused to clarify queries about apparent irregularities.

Mkhwanazi and other Southern African Shipyards shareholders insist it is above board — and has nothing to do with Mkhwanazi’s ties to Zuma. Responding to the Sunday Times in writing, Mkhwanazi said: “The president does not award tenders . . . Any relationship with the president cannot be linked to contract awards made via a public tender process.”
Maharaj described as “sour grapes” the suggestion that the deal was politically motivated.

“Every government contract we have won, whether it has been Transnet or South African Navy, has been won through a public tender process,” he said.

“We don’t think our offer of R335-million tender was overpriced. In fact, it was the cheapest bid received via an open public tender process,” he said.
Maynier, who called for an independent probe, disagreed: “First, the cost of the SAS Amatola’s refit was stratospheric and may have been inflated by as much as R100-million.
“Second, the SAS Amatola’s refit brought the local shipbuilding industry to its knees because the dry dock was effectively shut down.

“And third, it’s strange that [R400-million] would be sunk into a private company in Durban, rather than into the South African Navy dockyard.”
Southern African Shipyards has also received a R1.4-billion contract to build tug boats for Transnet.

Mkhwanazi, a Southern African Shipyards shareholder since 2006 and Transnet director between 2010 and 2012, said he had declared his shareholding on the day he was appointed to the Transnet board.

“The tug contract awarded to Southern African Shipyards became effective on 1 August 2014, more than two and a half years after [my] tenure as a director of Transnet ended,” he said.

[size=16pt]South African military has corrupted corruption beyond repair and refit !

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kikuyu1:
Ohh lord! Why I avoid this thread. Anyway,agaugust in 2012 your brass came to KDF HQ. They wanted their Somalia playbook to use in Mali and requested some local on scene assistance. Accordingly a KDF spec ops team was despatched and was actually onsite for at least a week. On their return they counselled against any help due to the complexity of operations what with all the many players,Naij,local Malians and French forces in theatre. An officer informed me,not a rumour.

An officer also informed me too that Kenyan military top brass and high level intelligence forces are currently learning COIN war tactics and espionage from Nigerian army/air force, an officer informed me, it's not a rumour
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Patchesagain:
[citation needed]

My citation is from a South African

mzilakazi:
It was done by SA with the help of Israel.

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GreenandGold:
Yes they're, consult any web page about the Atlas Cheetah - country of origin is South Africa

Telling lies does not pay, your own brother might just stone you

mzilakazi:
It was done by SA with the help of Israel.

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Henry120:
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Only 1 of your 4 Frigates is operational

Only 1 of your 3 submarines is operational.

All 26 South-African Augusta helicopters grounded

Only 3 C-130's are operational.

9 Gripen pilots for 26 jets

10 helicopters for a country with a 1.2 million sq km area

Makes a person wonder, why South-Africa even bothers with a military in the first place .
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Kai !!! So these South Africans have been fooling the world with photographs all these years !

Where is @THIZA the photographer, where is that fraudster, if I catch you, na double wahala for ya dead body !
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Henry120:
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Sunday Times, December 14 2014


Arms deal vessels marooned by neglect


ONLY one of South Africa’s four arms deal frigates and one of three submarines are operational — and some are falling apart.


One frigate has a cracked rudder, another needs an engine replaced and a third has been under repair for almost a year, the Sunday Times established this week.

This comes just days after Armscor gave details of a R4-billion tender to build six naval patrol boats, prompting doubts over the navy’s ability to maintain its fleet.

The new naval shopping list, dubbed Project Biro, is a boon for local shipbuilding companies but a potential disaster for taxpayers who will have to fund maintenance and repairs for years to come.

The naval dockyard in Simon’s Town is understaffed and undercapitalised.

Andrew Feinstein, an ANC MP who quit when the government curtailed a probe into the arms deal, said: “These revelations come as no surprise. The arms deal has been a monumental waste of money.”

The DA’s David Maynier said: “We don’t need another arms deal-like disaster where we acquire vessels we know we cannot operate or maintain. [/size]

Kereke kereke kereji keke...Yah ! (Fela Kuti).

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agaugust:
Kenya does NOT have 20,000 citizens rising up at home with AK-47, RPG, 23mm Cannon to wage war on their homesoil.

When they have it, we will see Kenyan military tremble, they spent 4 days dancing around a few El-Shabbab men that took over a shopping mall inside Nairobi, the whole Kenyan army and airforce was so confused they ran out of ideas then foolishly decided to use RPG on their own people to penetrate a shopping mall that had civilian hostages held inside ! When inside the mall, Kenyan soldiers began looting and stealing traders jwellery robbing the same people they were sent to save, is that an army?

Kenyan military fumbled and wobbled against about 10 terrorists that have no T-55 tanks.

Let Kenya first fight against 20,000 terrorists on home soil and win, then Kenyans can start talking.

Elshabbab still attacked and killed people inside Kenya just yesterday, they live in fear in Nairobi because terror has been plaguing them since 1998....

Kenyan military has failed to defeat terrorism for 16 years !
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we don't live in fear here. I live on the coast of Kenya near the beach. since December started, there haven't been any deaths that I know of as a result of terror attacks. infact, I have seen a small number of British tourists swimming and playing volleyball on the beach defying travel advisories from there country and spent the December holiday in Kenya some of them came in entire families including small children. just last week about 6 buses carrying 250 tourists from France, Italy and Germany arrived on a beach hotel near where I stay for an extended new year holiday. a clear sign that if things stay like this Kenya will be back to normal in no time

agaugust:
[size=16pt]South African military has corrupted corruption beyond repair and refit !

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@agaugust, your military is just bunch of cowards with zero equipment.

Boko Haram rules Cameroon and Nigeria.


http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2015112133225785766

agaugust:
Kai !!! So these South Africans have been fooling the world with photographs all these years !

Where is @THIZA the photographer, where is that fraudster, if I catch you, na double wahala for ya dead body !
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lol. Those guys can snap pichure.

Kafrican:
we don't live in fear here. I live on the coast of Kenya near the beach. since December started, there haven't been any deaths that I know of as a result of terror attacks. infact, I have seen a small number of British tourists swimming and playing volleyball on the beach defying travel advisories from there country and spent the December holiday in Kenya some of them came in entire families including small children. just last week about 6 buses carrying 250 tourists from France, Italy and Germany arrived on a beach hotel near where I stay for an extended new year holiday. a clear sign that if things stay like this Kenya will be back to normal in no time

There are European tourists enjoying life in Southern Nigeria.

774 Local Government regions in Nigeria, only about 30 have ever experienced terrorist attacks since 100 years of Nigeria's existence. 95% of Nigeria is very sweet and peaceful.

It was foolish for a Kenyan to critize Nigeria for having terrorism when his own Kenya has failed to defeat terrorism for the past 16 years.

That guy @MorrisaKenya made me see Kenyans as very senseless human beings. I would have tolerated criticism from a Zimbabwean whose country has no terrorists
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Patchesagain:
This is standard for any navy in the world

The so called 1/3 rule

We just finished major naval exercises, repars and maintenance must be done. Vessels suffering damage during a year of high tempo operations is not unheard of and is to be expected.

Further, that Valour Class that has been under maintence for a year is about to become operational again - and the Amatola will take its spot and begin refit

Also, a damaged engine does not prevent a Valour Class frigate to perform training operations in false bay (Spionkop had an engine removed when it was slated for refit in 2009 and performed training ops in the bay for a whole year while waiting its chance jn dry dock)

This is how professional navies run - maintenance, maintenance, maintenance

Maybe if you followed our lead the Aradu would put to sea once every 5 years


And as a final point, the fact that the Warrior Class OPV's have come on line and the naval base in durban is nearing the end of refurbishment means that soon the valour class will not be not be needed for 24/7 patrol of the Mozambique channel - meaning the maintenance backlog can be adressed and that wear and tare on the vessels will be more than halved

And let me remind you - 1 combat ready frigate and 1 combat ready sub is one of each more than you [will ever] have and is enough to defend against any nation in sub saharan aftica

Let me remind you that your navy is inept, incompetent and run by a bunch of clowns. There is nothing professional about your comedic navy.

A military that buys equipment it doesn't need, it cannot man, it cannot afford, it cannot maintain is many things, but professional clearly isn't one of them.


What is major about ibsamar, an exercise the Brazilians attended with a run down corvette, or the fact the indian flotilla was mostly in port-louis, while attending the exercise with an OPV?

Photo of the day

agaugust:
Nigeria has 90 million Muslims, how many Muslims are in Kenya?

Yes with 90 million Muslims, bigger than the whole nation of Kenya itself, logic says Nigeria will have a bigger terrorism problem.

Pakistan has a bigger terrorsim problem than Kenya....is it because Pakistani military is weaker than Kenyan military?
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Oh I didn't know that all 90 million Muslims in Nigeria are terrorists. Thanks for clarifying that. Very clear and logical. In fact, I will from now on call every Nigerian Muslim a terrorist and no one dare call me an IGNORANT BIGOT.

Henry120:
Only 1 of your 4 Frigates is operational
Only 1 of your 3 submarines is operational.
All 26 South-African Augusta helicopters grounded
Only 3 C-130's are operational.
9 Gripen pilots for 26 jets
10 helicopters for a country with a 1.2km area

Makes a person wonder, why South-Africa even bothers with a military in the first place .

Pics prove otherwise!

mzilakazi:
Boko Haram rules Cameroon and Nigeria.


http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2015112133225785766

Which Cameroon? Here is their bodies just found after Kolofata attack 300 killed Cameroon is NOT Nigeria sorry real talk