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Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 2:42am On Jan 29, 2015
cococandy:
wait let me find my safiticate first. grin
I'm not yet kwalified
Don't worry, the certificate is with the military board.
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by cococandy(f): 2:45am On Jan 29, 2015
CFCfan:
Don't worry, the certificate is with the military board.
cheesy
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 2:50am On Jan 29, 2015
cococandy:
cheesy
Sorry, it's with Obama
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by cococandy(f): 2:53am On Jan 29, 2015
CFCfan:
Sorry, it's with Obama
lol CFC hapum aka smiley
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 3:30am On Jan 29, 2015
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Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody:
alutacontinua:
Or you might actually be at fault, but think you're not undecided
It's called conflict resolution, not 'proving-how-right-you-are' resolution
if you go there tomorrow with this your mindset, there's a high probability that nothing good will come out of it.
listen to him, put yourself in his shoes sincerely and be humble enough to admit your mistakes. You don't have to be the right one. cool

Goodluck!
Be at fault for asking for a higher pay and getting it? Which infuriated him
Be at fault for him thinking a Nigerian that applied for his job and was clearly more qualified was sent by me when I had never met the guy till the day he showed up for the interview?
Be at fault for having a boss downplay my achievements and refuse to announce them like he does others
Sorry I have lived in this country a long time
I know unfairness and bad belle when I see it
remember he is my boss
If I was at fault,what I could have received would have been a clear warning from his superior after hearing his side
That didn't happen instead they want to resolve this which I am all for
This is not a he said,she said
I ain't no spring chicken
I have documented evidence for months and went with copies of email printed out which he can't deny
The evidence is right there in black and white of his actions and inactions and I know the expressions of surprise from the person that listened to the complaints.
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody:
cococandy:
Robert Greens first law of power comes to mind.

NEVER OUTSHINE THE MASTER.

If you want to continue working with him, just stoop to conquer with him.
If you can possibly stroke his ego,by all means do so. Until he relaxes his fear of you.

Try to make friends with him seeing as he's the bridge between you and the bigger superiors.
Also make friends with his superiors if possible.
But don't make it seem like you're going above him to get favors as that will even worsen the relationship.

#mytwocents
The good thing is that I am in the good books of his superiors but of course humans can be unpredictable

Cococandy sadly,I can't do what you described
My job is such that you get promoted by shining,that is the rule set for promotions etched in stone
He needs to shine in the eyes of his own superior also to get his promotions and raises just like I do
Infact you get annual or merit raises by shining so you have to shine to get kobo added to your salary
For instance my mentor advised me to do one paper and one abstract a year,in that one year I did 4 papers plus 4 abstracts and a grant.
That is a record in my department according to my mentor and [size=18pt]all the praises belong to God[/size]
My boss has never had a grant,by God's grace I got one my first year in the place and that is a big deal professionally


There is a limit to what he can do sha
If he sits on a promotion out of jealousy and I disagree with the decision,the decision will be made by people above him and the achievements will speak for themselves
I cannot make myself a mediocre because I don't want to outshine him
No way,I will be hurting my career by so doing
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 4:09am On Jan 29, 2015
If you can possibly stroke his ego,by all means do so. Until he relaxes his fear of you.
Hmm
My mentor told me to add the boss's name as an author in my first paper,I did
Asked me to do same in my second paper I also did
Can you believe I sent the rough draft of the papers over 4 times and he never acknowledged receipt till this day
Never read them,never commented
I printed them out and gave him in his office,he never read them
I told my mentor I would take his name off the papers ,my mentor said I shouldn't.i should leave it there for political reasons
The papers were published and I gave him the news of the first one in person,he high fives me and immediately asked for the paper citations so he can put them on his CV
So this is a man I have done huge favors for but his bad belle gets the better part of him


But don't make it seem like you're going above him to get favors as that will even worsen the relationship.
What option do I have if he is blocking me and I decide to go to someone higher and they give me what was clearly deserving?
Doesn't that mean the other person sees through what he is trying to do
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by chineloSA(f): 4:27am On Jan 29, 2015
undecided In my experience, such conflicts are impossible to resolve, ehn. Once its start on a bad footing, its over. It equates to bad foundation.

Prayer can help, and playing cool, rather than having an overbearing or dominating personality.
I do agree with cococandy, that outshining him may be his biggest problem with him.

The fact that you recommended someone else for his position, for him it amounts to "his enemy"

When I was in your position twice, I decided to eventually quit and look for something else. And those were my best career decision because they opened doors for much better opportunities for me, opportunities that I would have never gotten had I stayed. Since then, I never looked back.

I was single, so I had a too much flexibility to even move to another city. But your circumstances may be different,

I see that u have made up your mind with regards to staying. Good luck smiley smiley
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 4:36am On Jan 29, 2015
Babyblues:
Thank God for you.Just keep on doing your job fastidiously and even if there's an error make sure you have enough reasons to justify the decision.
I'm sure he's waiting for one slip up to say eheeee.
Let the devil be shamed abeg.
I hope at least from tomorrow he will say his mind so there will be peace..
Chief wahala can be hell,especially being accused of not being a team player.Na that one de pain pass.
May God grant you grace and eloquence tomorrow
Amen
My husband said he is confident the man will come in there with a view to make peace
So I am going in with that mindset
The mediator most likely will speak first and then ask one of us to respond,I will give him the opportunity to respond first
What may tick me off is if he denies any of those things and tries to turn this whole thing around ,I may be tempted to whip out my email evidence.

What I didn't share was that before I went higher up with the complaint,I had sat in his office for an evaluation and when he said the not being a team player thing and accused me of not following up on something ,I immediately whipped out an email that I sent regarding that issue that went un responded,his face turned red with anger and he couldn't say anything because I had my evidence that I wasn't at fault.
The next line was that I was sent out of town and refused to go,I whipped out another email where I had agreed to go on that similar trip months before and they sent someone else instead of me and also reminded him i had volunteered for that same trip and gone at other times.he couldn't respond to that either.
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 4:42am On Jan 29, 2015
chineloSA:
undecided In my experience, such conflicts are impossible to resolve, ehn. Once its start on a bad footing, its over. It equates to bad foundation.

Prayer can help, and playing cool, rather than having an overbearing or dominating personality.
I do agree with cococandy, that outshining him may be his biggest problem with him.

The fact that you recommended someone else for his position, for him it amounts to "his enemy"


When I was in your position twice, I decided to eventually quit and look for something else. And those were my best career decision because they opened doors for much better opportunities for me, opportunities that I would have never gotten had I stayed. Since then, I never looked back.

I was single, so I had a too much flexibility to even move to another city. But your circumstances may be different,

I see that u have made up your mind with regards to staying. Good luck smiley smiley
[size=18pt]I did not recommend someone for his position[/size]
Where are you reading this from? shocked
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by chineloSA(f): 4:48am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
[size=18pt]I did not recommend someone for his position[/size]
Where are you reading this from? shocked
Then a second incidence that sealed his dislike of me after I arrived to take up the job stemmed mainly from a rumor that I encouraged a fellow nigerian to apply and interview for his position when it was an interim position for him.
To cut a long story short,the Nigerian guy though clearly better qualified and accomplished didn't get the position and this boss and those supporting him are using subtle ways to express their wrath towards me and so far I have maintained my cool.



The fact that it was a rumour, to him its the truth. Recommending does not necessarilly mean only sitting on the interview panel, but also means, you encouraged someone to take up his position. Were you not the one who said the copied abovehuh
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 4:49am On Jan 29, 2015
chineloSA:
Then a second incidence that sealed his dislike of me after I arrived to take up the job stemmed mainly from a rumor that I encouraged a fellow nigerian to apply and interview for his position when it was an interim position for him.
To cut a long story short,the Nigerian guy though clearly better qualified and accomplished didn't get the position and this boss and those supporting him are using subtle ways to express their wrath towards me and so far I have maintained my cool.



The fact that it was a rumour, to him its the truth. Recommending does not necessarilly mean only sitting on the interview panel, but also me, you encouraged someone to take up his position. Were you not the one who said the copied abovehuh
I ask again,where are you reading this from
Can you take time to read my posts before commenting instead of adding pepper to it as you type
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 4:51am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
Be at fault for asking for a higher pay and getting it? Which infuriated him
Be at fault for him thinking a Nigerian that applied for his job and was clearly more qualified was sent by me when I had never met the guy till the day he showed up for the interview?
Be at fault for having a boss downplay my achievements and refuse to announce them like he does others
Sorry I have lived in this country a long time
I know unfairness and bad belle when I see it
remember he is my boss
If I was at fault,what I could have received would have been a clear warning from his superior after hearing his side
That didn't happen instead they want to resolve this which I am all for
This is not a he said,she said
I ain't no spring chicken
I have documented evidence for months and went with copies of email printed out which he can't deny
The evidence is right there in black and white of his actions and inactions and I know the expressions of surprise from the person that listened to the complaints.
Did you also miss this even if you don't know what rumor means?
Is this a comprehension problem?
Now let me break it down in elementary terms

Your name is Chinelo an Igbo lady
You go to work in a company in Lagos full of Yorubas
Your boss Ayo is an interim head,his position is advertised,he applies alongside others
Lo and behold an Igbo man named chukwudi applies and gets interviewed and is a clear contender for the position
Is it safe for your boss Ayo to assume you brought your fellow Igbo to take his job when you never knew Chukwudi from Adam?
Do you get it now?
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by chineloSA(f): 4:56am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
I ask again,where are you reading this from
Can you take time to read my posts before commenting instead of adding pepper to it
See your overpowering mannerism and rude attitudehuh If your go inside that meeting with this your Nairaland attitude you will still come back a looser.

I read your story and I quoted what you said. undecided

Good luck though.
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 4:59am On Jan 29, 2015
chineloSA:
See your overpowering mannerism and rude attitudehuh If your go inside that meeting with this your Nairaland attitude you will still come back a looser.

I read your story and I quoted what you said. undecided

Good luck though.
I was expecting this even after you saw the clear error in your post,I would have been shocked if you responded otherwise
I didn't expect you to acknowledge it
Keep your good luck nne,I don't believe in luck
I got here by Grace and merit not good luck
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by chineloSA(f): 5:08am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
I was expecting this even after you saw the clear error in your post,I would have been shocked if you responded otherwise
I didn't expect you to acknowledge it
Keep your good luck nne,I don't believe in luck
I got here by Grace and merit not good luck
I read through your story, I didn't see no error in what I quoted you on.

smiley smiley well then you can use Grace and merit to resolve it.
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody:
Continuing sha


I have already rehearsed my opening line and organized my thoughts, na intelligent people I dey deal with so my intelligent ,poised and professional side go comot full force.they didn't hire me for being unintelligent

After the mediator speaks and turns it over to us,I will allow him speak and when it's my turn I hope to start thus:


Dr K I respect your role as the departmental chair and will not undermine your position in any way
I came to Dr W because of these lingering issues and perceptions which I hope we can resolve today.
It is my desire that it gets resolved ,that is my sole purpose.

Then I will pause and let him speak



I am confident this will be reconciliatory
Will gist you folks all about it
I also hope to wear one of my best blouses and slacks and a befitting neck scarf with high heels,looking like the consummate professional lady grin grin grin
Then I swing my ukwu Gbam Gbam Gbam and enter the meeting place
Even sef my acquired American accent will go into overdrive grin grin
No be America we dey?
He will appear with his potbelly,bald head and big yansh grin grin grin
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by kinisoo1: 5:42am On Jan 29, 2015
Hi Op

I have been following this conversation all along. Before I comment, please in which sector do you work? Banking? Oil and gas? Academics?

And which country are you?

Thanks
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by uboma(m): 5:50am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
Last December can you imagine I was out on the schedule to cover 70% of the emergencies
I spoke up and asked why my schedule was overloaded and I believe the scheduler spoke with him and it was immediately changed
Things like that
Geared towards making me look like a whiny complainy person
This is an interesting thread because i can relate to some of your experiences here. However, never complain about your work load. It puts you in a bad light. You may have had the workload reduced because of the strings you pulled but what happens when you move on to another organization and you have no one to do your favours? Do the best you can and when queried on why 100% of your workload was not completed, then you can politely express your reservations and stating how far (say 40-50%) has been achieved.

During the planned meeting with your Boss, you have to exercise restraint at all cost because he will waiting for you to fall in his trap so he can nail you. I advise that you secretly record the conversation with your phone or any portable gadget. He will be waiting for you to flare up during the discussion, please don't oblige him. Be diplomatic all through...
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 5:51am On Jan 29, 2015
kinisoo1:
Hi Op

I have been following this conversation all along. Before I comment, please in which sector do you work? Banking? Oil and gas? Academics?

And which country are you?

Thanks
Academics
Medical
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by uboma(m): 5:52am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
Amen o
I need to call my mother to pick up her MFM prayer books
LOL,

the prayer books would not be of any help
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 5:57am On Jan 29, 2015
uboma:
This is an interesting thread because i can relate to some of your experiences here. However, never complain about your work load. It puts you in a bad light. You may have had the workload reduced because of the strings you pulled but what happens when you move on to another organization and you have no one to do your favours? Do the best you can and when queried on why 100% of your workload was not completed, then you can politely express your reservations and stating how far (say 40-50%) has been achieved.

During the planned meeting with your Boss, you have to exercise restraint at all cost because he will waiting for you to fall in his trap so he can nail you. I advise that you secretly record the conversation with your phone or any portable gadget. He will be waiting for you to flare up during the discussion, please don't oblige him. Be diplomatic all through...
It is hard to summarize a one year event in a few posts but let me try
I have never been afraid of hardwork
If I were,I wouldn't be where I am today
Whenever something is required as proof of excellence,I do double of it to distinguish myself

The workload thing that instance was a punishment and they changed it because it was wrong,it wasn't a favor to me because it would count against him if his superior heard it and I actually did mention it and the change when I made the complaint with the printed schedule of before and after as proof.
This place has strong anti discrimination rules

In the department,emergencies at holiday times are traditionally convered by part timers
I am not a part timer so i shouldn't even be there at all and if I were,it should be fair with others also on there not just me and a part timer.
I applied to go on vacation,he was mad I was going away and as a punishment wanted me to cover all those emergencies before my trip
I approached the scheduler and asked why i should cover 70% of emergencies coming to a department of over 20 full timers and tons of part timers.
He realized I had caught on to the trick and asked them to change it
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by uboma(m): 5:57am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
I will not leave this job because of him
That one is settled
I ain't going nowhere
I support the idea of remaining on the job. All these will pass and you will come off a better person with the right skills on managing a difficult boss. Its a learning process, pass through it but be diplomatic and professional.
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 5:58am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
Someone told me he feels threatened by me
I don't know if that's true
He is certainly more experienced and way older and has been at the place much longer
How could I be threatening to him
well from all ur explanations i can deduce dat he really has a tin against u,but basd on ur intelligency n oversight dont u fink it might be a smart move 2 settle tins with him personally..like u two sit in a more covinient environ,chat it out n use subtle methods 2 unleash his rage towards u....odas may speak oderwise but den dey are on d side lines.be wise n salvage ur job coz odas depnd on it
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by uboma(m): 6:03am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
Someone told me he feels threatened by me
I don't know if that's true
He is certainly more experienced and way older and has been at the place much longer
How could I be threatening to him
I am sure that's his own way of saying 'hey you, i admire you' grin.

The both of you will be best pals if you manage him well
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by uboma(m): 6:07am On Jan 29, 2015
cococandy:
Robert Greens first law of power comes to mind.

NEVER OUTSHINE THE MASTER.

If you want to continue working with him, just stoop to conquer with him.
If you can possibly stroke his ego,by all means do so. Until he relaxes his fear of you.

Try to make friends with him seeing as he's the bridge between you and the bigger superiors.
Also make friends with his superiors if possible.
But don't make it seem like you're going above him to get favors as that will even worsen the relationship.

#mytwocents
You are so on point. The words in bold is what annoys him...
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 6:09am On Jan 29, 2015
uboma:
I am sure that's his own way of saying 'hey you, i admire you' grin.

The both of you will be best pals if you manage him well
Anyone who is a minority and a professional in this foreign land will understand me clearly
This is not an uncommon thing here
They want you to be in a position where you are mediocre and happy to be given a job and at their mercy
When you try to distinguish yourself,they get mad
And when you get accolades,they try to destroy or frustrate you
Been there before

I have worked as a shait packer before getting my license
Never had this happen then
You are no threat to anyone packing shait
But when you attempt to show that you have some brain matter,you better get ready and get a tough skin while at it


Let me tell you a story during my residency
The Oga was asking questions
I raised my hand and answered correctly
He asked a second question,I also answered it
By the third question and no other hand was up but mine,the man refused to ask me
It comes in subtle ways
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by uboma(m): 6:09am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
I will brief you guys how it went
I will love to read your encounter with him.
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by Nobody: 6:11am On Jan 29, 2015
uboma:
You are so on point. The words in bold is what annoys him...
So if I ask for a raise and he refuses,I should accept it even when I merited it?
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by tonychristopher: 6:14am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
To make a long story short
My boss and I are going to be at a meeting tomorrow to resolve a deep seated conflict.
It is a difficult place to be in
He has only been my boss for a year plus and from day one we didn't get along
Right from when I got offered my position and salary
He retorted angrily over the phone when I asked that the salary be adjusted upwards because I wouldn't accept a much lower salary than where I was coming from.He refused to listen and I had to contact someone else and eventually had some money added to that salary.
I guess he hated my guts after that and that was before he even met me.
Then a second incidence that sealed his dislike of me after I arrived to take up the job stemmed mainly from a rumor that I encouraged a fellow nigerian to apply and interview for his position when it was an interim position for him.
To cut a long story short,the Nigerian guy though clearly better qualified and accomplished didn't get the position and this boss and those supporting him are using subtle ways to express their wrath towards me and so far I have maintained my cool.

My impression is that he is not comfortable having a black woman and an intelligent one as a colleague
It had gotten to an extent where I needed to speak up and I did.
My evidence is well documented with dates and email and there is no denying it.

Here comes my dilemma

We will be together to resolve this but can you imagine being at a conflict resolution with your own boss?the man that is supposed to evaluate you and have your back?
We haven't even said hello to each other since this year,he avoids eye contacts and scampers off
That's how bad it is


I need words of wisdom how to approach this without being confrontational.i cannot afford to be confrontational.

I had a wonderful relationship with my former boss for almost a decade and I still have the notes and email he sent me for being a team player.we still collaborate on studies till this day.

I have gotten words of wisdom from hubby and friends
Now tell me yours or share your experience if you've been in a similar situation
I understand you and it is terrible if you do not come from same tribes and also worst if you are a woman that has guts and come from a different tribe . I work and I know what it means to be insecure and if you do well your colleagues get jittery

That is by the way . Be diplomatic take along his email and former email of your boss as a refrence sake


I have worked in an organization that my boss categorically told me that he will deal with me. What did I do? I was just outperforming him...my figures was great

Cut the story short ..he fired me and the MD said that I should be recalled cos the figures dwindled

I was called back but I damned them. I moved on to a better place and significantly better place

You should be careful when working with some people . They are scared when you perform better and they will do anything to mess you up if you come from a particular zone


There are people that felt you are a threat ....without looking at things critically

Diplomacy is the game
Re: I Need Words Of Wisdom From Mature Nairalanders by tonychristopher: 6:15am On Jan 29, 2015
babyosisi:
So if I ask for a raise and he refuses,I should accept it even when I merited it?
If you ask for a raise and you merit it. You don't have any apolologies
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