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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 6:58pm On Feb 09, 2015

Rexyl:
Does this mean scientific approach aimed at fighting corruption has started yielding results? If so it is welcomed development.

Yes bro, na so I see am ooo

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 7:00pm On Feb 09, 2015

Rexyl:
Does this mean scientific approach aimed at fighting corruption has started yielding results? If so it is welcomed development.

Yes bro, na so I see am ooo
#GoodluckMarch

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by Rexyl(m): 7:03pm On Feb 09, 2015

rabimlomo:
If we hated him, we wouldn't have voted for him in 2011. It is his wrong actions and inactions that makes us want him to go and give another person a chance.

You can't please a small portion of the people and now expect the majority, who are suffering to continue to like you and vote for you.

you see what I see in both parties - pdp & apc... only a few are enjoying in the country, majority of the people are suffering. May God guide us in voting our conscience.

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by businesslawyer(m): 7:04pm On Feb 09, 2015

agabaI23:
You have your 1999 constitution to blame for lack of convictions not GEJ. He has arraigned many but they all left with a slap in the wrist.

Also you have to blame the judges who are very corrupt and the civil servants who also 3rd in the pecking order

You have to blame the police who are the most corrupt. Tinubu was taken to court and the supreme court said he could not be prosecuted because he enjoyed immunity as sitting governor. When he exited, the police refused to arrest him.

GEJ constituted a national conference to enable us make changes, but your ilks refused to touch those very important institution strengthening bits.

He is pulling corruption from the root and playing to the cameras, unfortunately most people wont understand this.

[b]The IPPIS, has removed over 40000 ghost workers from Fed payroll and like this guy confirmed, no more middle men in contract payment.

[/b]If people are still being paid for work not done, then the 20, 000 km of roads done would not be possible.
The rails cannot be possible
The e-wallet could not happen
These were avenues of corruption which no one talked about.

GEJ is building institutions not playing to gallery.

40,000 what? and yet over head has not dropped in the FG budget in the last 5 years? Story for stupid gods only.

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by perculiarperson: 7:08pm On Feb 09, 2015

fyneguy:
Keep lying to yourself. You need to meet some other contractors who are getting paid for doing nothing!

Why don't you tell your own story instead of trying to kill this one huh

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by tuyi19: 7:09pm On Feb 09, 2015

agabaI23:
Yesterday evening I went to swim and I met a government contractor lodged in the same hotel.

He does not want GEJ back. His grouse with GEJ is that since he came, he is no longer making money the way he was making from contracts. He confirmed that though his money now comes straight into his account without interference, that he preferred the pre-Jonathan era when things were not as tight. That now, they check the validity of any contract before money is paid out and the guy dey fall hand for business.

Then I asked him what do you think in his performance in Agriculture(Adesina), he said he has done well
I mentioned Aganga(Trade and investment) he said very well. he said NOI has done well too and went ahead to add the minister for works mike Onolememen. He said the man has done well too. Transport, he is impressed

And I asked, why won't you vote for him since you know all these? He said, he is not feeling him in his business. He wants things to go back to easier ways.

I told him about Sam Ohuabunwa's opening statement in his article where he said that good performance means different things to different people. He was a typical example of people who want him out because his reforms have reduced undue profit.

GEJ is fighting a hydraheaded monster. God is his strength

you are a liar, this is a fabriated story, go and tell this to your family

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 7:09pm On Feb 09, 2015

businesslawyer:
40,000 what? and yet over head has not dropped in the FG budget in the last 5 years? Story for stupid gods only.

overhead has not dropped because of over 53.7 % increase in federal wage bill over the period. Less than 5 years though. Check it!

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by Change2015(m): 7:11pm On Feb 09, 2015

agabaI23:
lol @ we import bottled water, why not add toothpick to make it complete. Please which brand is imported? Just curious...

Yes we need petrochemicals for those things. Check this threadhttp://www.nairaland.com/1857780/gej-commissions-uquo-gas-plant

The fg knows that. He is empowering Nigerians and making it easy for them to establish. It is not for government to build refineries and other industries. There is so much fraud.
Dangote refineries coming up soon is a good example.

About the government run refinery, the original builders were invited to do turn around maintenance. They referred us to another company who accepted to it but refused to guarantee that it will work to capacity for x number of years after maintenance. The ministry called them bluff. Assembled local engineers to brainstorm. They have started work on the ref using totally local engineers. That is empowerment. That is development. That is local content. Innoson use 35% local raw material for its vehicle. About 200 steel Rollin meals reactivated. You can agree with me that this government has done so so much to diversify economy more than any other.
You're being unfair if you cannot acknowledge the effort of this government on diversification. Sam ohuabunwa is in the real sector. Read his in put.

https://www.nairaland.com/2137426/lets-fair-jonathan-done-well#30555871
How can you do made in Nigeria trade fair when your policies has starved the industries of raw materials and the country has not been prepared for that by increasing local capacity. The local industries closed down because of border closure.

You are say 16 years of PDP? Those people are now in APC. Atiku, OBJ, kwankwaso, Amaechi, Elrufai etc

But we are appraising a period of 4 years plus not 16 years against 20 long months of military dictatorship that has nothing to show except a false claim at integrity.

Note the parts in bold
http://ngrguardiannews.com/editorial-opinion/editorial/195337-on-ending-the-fuel-importation-regime

WHEN Industry, Trade and Investment minister, Olusegun Aganga, disclosed the Goodluck Jonathan administration’s plan towards ending the country’s depressing regime of fuel importation in 2018 and highlighted its conscious efforts at making more of non-oil exports to boost revenue, the excitement that followed was not surprising. But if past initiatives and especially the conflicting policy signals from this government are anything to go by, disappointment may be an end-result. And Nigeria does not deserve that. Undoubtedly, the plan is the most desirable option for a country, which wastes too much money importing what it can produce. But corruption and lack of political will have prevented the nation’s leaders from doing the right thing.

The high dependence on fuel importation, linked to a low domestic refining capacity, has been the tragedy of Nigeria’s oil sector. If only the government would get more serious with the reform processes, including ending importation of fuel products!

Based on the industrial revolution launched in 2012, by the Goodluck Jonathan administration, Aganga said: “There are many sectors we should have developed over the years, but for decades, we relied entirely on exporting raw materials. That era has gone.” Part of the good news from the minister is that stopping the importation would save the country a minimum of $10 billion, having spent about “three billion dollars importing steel, about six billion dollars importing cars and spare parts, about $1.7 billion on sugar.” According to him, 13 other products that would replace oil and in which Nigeria has comparative advantage as well as export capacity in agro-industrial, mining related and industrial products have also been identified. This sounds good.

Contrary to Aganga’s hope, however, only a few months ago, Petroleum Minister Diezani Alison-Madueke who has been in charge of the country’s oil and gas assets for the past four years had, in an address practically dismissed hopes of ending fuel importation by some African countries, including Angola, Uganda, Mozambique and Nigeria in the next 20 years.

Considering her powerful position in the industry, Alison-Madueke is adequately informed about developments in the industry. So, the question is: who do Nigerians believe between Alison-Madueke and Aganga? What informed the oil minister’s claim of an irredeemable situation for another 20 years before the importation regime becomes history? And what informs Aganga’s optimism?

The existing, under-performing four refineries, no doubt, are part of the general malaise. That the bulk of Nigeria’s crude oil is refined abroad is a pointer to the high level of inefficiency in the industry. The four refineries including the old Port Harcourt Refinery (1965), the Warri Refinery (1978), the Kaduna Refinery (1980) and the new Port Harcourt Refinery (1987) are all functioning at sub-optimal capacity, thanks to official ineptitude and a regime in which maintenance culture is almost zero.

#change
#GMB
#APC

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 7:12pm On Feb 09, 2015

perculiarperson:
Why don't you tell your own story instead of trying to kill this one

He has no story to tell bro

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by Gbawe: 7:17pm On Feb 09, 2015*

agabaI23:
Yesterday evening I went to swim and I met a government contractor lodged in the same hotel.

He does not want GEJ back. His grouse with GEJ is that since he came, he is no longer making money the way he was making from contracts. He confirmed that though his money now comes straight into his account without interference, that he preferred the pre-Jonathan era when things were not as tight. That now, they check the validity of any contract before money is paid out and the guy dey fall hand for business.

Then I asked him what do you think in his performance in Agriculture(Adesina), he said he has done well
I mentioned Aganga(Trade and investment) he said very well. he said NOI has done well too and went ahead to add the minister for works mike Onolememen. He said the man has done well too. Transport, he is impressed

And I asked, why won't you vote for him since you know all these? He said, he is not feeling him in his business. He wants things to go back to easier ways.

I told him about Sam Ohuabunwa's opening statement in his article where he said that good performance means different things to different people. He was a typical example of people who want him out because his reforms have reduced undue profit.

GEJ is fighting a hydraheaded monster. God is his strength

What a joke. Did the biggest fuel subsidy scam in Nigeria's history not happen under GEJ? Do you know that the scam essentially involved "contractors" grossly over-invoicing for oil supplied , or even invoicing for oil that was not supplied, and getting paid for those criminal and fruadulent practices? Do you know the FG (under GEJ) and NNPC (under Allison-Madueke ) are the only two authorities with the power to hand out fuel marketer licence? How did your "anti-corruption" GEJ and his partner-in-crime, Allison-Madueke, end up disbursing these licences to scammers who went on to commit the biggest fraud in the history of Nigeria?

So are those fuel subsidy 'contractors' ,happy at the scam the corrupt GEJ government colludes with them to get away with, different to the one you "met" who was "complaining" about GEJ? You people sha. No shame at all declaring that white rice is black. GEJ is easily the most corruption-friendly President Nigeria has ever had. Show me someone saying otherwise and I show you a shamelessly dishonest person and brazen liar. I don't know how you want to reconcile this your "GEJ is anti-corruption" drive with how the likes of Ifeanyi Uba who scammed Nigeria silly are working officially for the re-election of GEJ. You guys should fear God because your GEJ cannot profit from the unbelievably ridiculous lies you are telling on his behalf. Why not come back later and start another thread about meeting a Boko Haram member who "confessed" GEJ is fighting them hard "silently" and giving them hell and making the terror business so hard for them that they are even considering putting down their guns to embrace farming !!! If you wish to practice image laundering at least let it be believable. Do not come here and be telling us unbelievable stories even a child will laugh at.

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 7:37pm On Feb 09, 2015*

Change2015:
Note the parts in bold
http://ngrguardiannews.com/editorial-opinion/editorial/195337-on-ending-the-fuel-importation-regime

WHEN Industry, Trade and Investment minister, Olusegun Aganga, disclosed the Goodluck Jonathan administration’s plan towards ending the country’s depressing regime of fuel importation in 2018 and highlighted its conscious efforts at making more of non-oil exports to boost revenue, the excitement that followed was not surprising. But if past initiatives and especially the conflicting policy signals from this government are anything to go by, disappointment may be an end-result. And Nigeria does not deserve that. Undoubtedly, the plan is the most desirable option for a country, which wastes too much money importing what it can produce. But corruption and lack of political will have prevented the nation’s leaders from doing the right thing.

The high dependence on fuel importation, linked to a low domestic refining capacity, has been the tragedy of Nigeria’s oil sector. If only the government would get more serious with the reform processes, including ending importation of fuel products!

Based on the industrial revolution launched in 2012, by the Goodluck Jonathan administration, Aganga said: “There are many sectors we should have developed over the years, but for decades, we relied entirely on exporting raw materials. That era has gone.” Part of the good news from the minister is that stopping the importation would save the country a minimum of $10 billion, having spent about “three billion dollars importing steel, about six billion dollars importing cars and spare parts, about $1.7 billion on sugar.” According to him, 13 other products that would replace oil and in which Nigeria has comparative advantage as well as export capacity in agro-industrial, mining related and industrial products have also been identified. This sounds good.

Contrary to Aganga’s hope, however, only a few months ago, Petroleum Minister Diezani Alison-Madueke who has been in charge of the country’s oil and gas assets for the past four years had, in an address practically dismissed hopes of ending fuel importation by some African countries, including Angola, Uganda, Mozambique and Nigeria in the next 20 years.

Considering her powerful position in the industry, Alison-Madueke is adequately informed about developments in the industry. So, the question is: who do Nigerians believe between Alison-Madueke and Aganga? What informed the oil minister’s claim of an irredeemable situation for another 20 years before the importation regime becomes history? And what informs Aganga’s optimism?

The existing, under-performing four refineries, no doubt, are part of the general malaise. That the bulk of Nigeria’s crude oil is refined abroad is a pointer to the high level of inefficiency in the industry. The four refineries including the old Port Harcourt Refinery (1965), the Warri Refinery (1978), the Kaduna Refinery (1980) and the new Port Harcourt Refinery (1987) are all functioning at sub-optimal capacity, thanks to official ineptitude and a regime in which maintenance culture is almost zero.

#change
#GMB
#APC

Can you kindly tell me how the highlighted portions relate to the post you quoted
Remember, Buhari initiated the trend of exporting crude which would be refined for subsequent importation. New york times of March 13, 1984

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by queensmith: 8:14pm On Feb 09, 2015

Lets actually entertain this 'contractor' story for a minute

What I'm getting, is the change in government affected this contractors ability to take on ghost contracts? More likely there's a new set of vultures are receiving them in his place because I can't remember reading about a single project executed and commissioned within GEJs era to the cost and times initial promised - talk less of the quality.

His second grudge, when this 'contractor' said GEJ has done 'soo well' you didn't care to ask him to expatiate? Provide examples? Is he a farming contractor? What exactly did GEJ and NOI do so well? Same for trade and investment, you didn't hear poverty almost doubled as did the unemployment rates? How exactly is the performance anything but appalling?

I'm not too sure what the purpose of this story is but it's told us nothing, if anything I'm in the firm belief GEJ supporters are as daft as he is. Good performance is just that there are no grey areas - he's either improved the country or not. In the face of global performance the man has even set the economy backwards. How in this digital era a large number of youths remain unemployed is ridiculous.

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by Gbawe: 8:26pm On Feb 09, 2015

queensmith:
Lets actually entertain this 'contractor' story for a minute

What I'm getting, is the change in government affected this contractors ability to take on ghost contracts? More likely there's a new set of vultures are receiving them in his place because I can't remember reading about a single project executed and commissioned within GEJs era to the cost and times initial promised - talk less of the quality.

His second grudge, when this 'contractor' said GEJ has done 'soo well' you didn't care to ask him to expatiate? Provide examples? Is he a farming contractor? What exactly did GEJ and NOI do so well? Same for trade and investment, you didn't hear poverty almost doubled as did the unemployment rates? How exactly is the performance anything but appalling?

I'm not too sure what the purpose of this story is but it's told us nothing, if anything I'm in the firm belief GEJ supporters are as daft as he is. Good performance is just that there are no grey areas - he's either improved the country or not. In the face of global performance the man has even set the economy backwards. How in this digital era a large number of youths remain unemployed is ridiculous.

Thank you. This is why I advised OP, if he must turn himself into an image launderer for GEJ, to stick to believable areas of strength. When he is now trying to use an area GEJ is judged as monumentally failed in, i.e corruption, to claim some fabled 'efficacy' for our failed President then it just appears that GEJ fans live in a parallel universe of lies, immorality and self-deceit.

What next? GEJ has been "silently" efficient against Boko Haram and the over 15,000.00 Nigerians the terror group have killed are not actually dead but being housed in a refugee camp in Burkina Faso? These GEJ fans sef. Sentimental enemies-of-progress the lot of them.

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 8:30pm On Feb 09, 2015

Gbawe:
What a joke. Did the biggest fuel subsidy scam in Nigeria's history not happen under GEJ? Do you know that the scam essentially involved "contractors" grossly over-invoicing for oil supplied , or even invoicing for oil that was not supplied, and getting paid for those criminal and fruadulent practices? Do you know the FG (under GEJ) and NNPC (under Allison-Madueke ) are the only two authorities with the power to hand out fuel marketer licence? How did your "anti-corruption" GEJ and his partner-in-crime, Allison-Madueke, end up disbursing these licences to scammers who went on to commit the biggest fraud in the history of Nigeria?

So are those fuel subsidy 'contractors' ,happy at the scam the corrupt GEJ government colludes with them to get away with, different to the one you "met" who was "complaining" about GEJ? You people sha. No shame at all declaring that white rice is black. GEJ is easily the most corruption-friendly President Nigeria has ever had. Show me someone saying otherwise and I show you a shamelessly dishonest person and brazen liar. I don't know how you want to reconcile this your "GEJ is anti-corruption" with how the likes of Ifeanyi Uba who scammed Nigeria silly are working officially for the re-election of GEJ. You guys should fear God because your GEJ cannot profit from the unbelievably ridiculous lies you are telling on his behalf. Why not come back later and start another thread about meeting a Boko Haram member who "confessed" GEJ is fighting them hard "silently" and giving them hell and making the terror business so hard for them that they are even considering putting down their guns to embrace farming !!! If you wish to practice image laundering at least let it be believable. Do not come here and be telling us unbelievable stories even a child will laugh at.

Oga Gbawe, it has been a while since 2011....Hope you are making your money wink

Back to the matter:
Why did you say it is a joke? Is it a joke because it is a lie or because it is not expected of GEJ's administration?

To be honest with you, it happened exactly as narrated for the records as untennable as it may sound to you because of your mindset.

The subsidy scam happened in 2012 and like you said over-invoicing was a major issue. Look at the progress made since then

‘Nigeria Lost $7.92bn To Corruption In One Year

A total of $7.92billion in illicit capital flowed of out Nigeria in 2012, according to the latest report released by the US-based non-profit research and advisory organisation, Global Financial Integrity (GFI).

For the year 2012, only Nigeria and South Africa are the two African countries ranked in the top 20 countries for illicit financial outflows. Nigeria was ranked 17th behind South Africa, which ranks 9th with cumulative illicit financial outflows of $29.13 in 2012.

According to the report, “Illicit Financial Flows from Developing Countries: 2003-2012,” emerging economies lost a whopping $991.2billion in facilitating crime, corruption and tax evasion.

However, in the 10-year period between 2003 and 2012, Nigeria was ranked 10th with a cumulative of $157.46billion, surpassing South Africa which was ranked 12th with a cumulative $122.14billion. Also, Nigeria and South Africa are the only two African countries that were ranked for illicit financial outflows in the 10-year period between 2003 and 2012.

“The fraudulent mis-invoicing of trade transactions was revealed to be the largest component of illicit financial flows from developing countries, accounting for 77.8 percent of all illicit flows, highlighting that any effort to significantly curtail illicit financial flows must address trade mis-invoicing,” said the report.

More from: http://leadership.ng/news/395733/nigeria-lost-7-92bn-corruption-one-year

Even with the over-invoicing issue revealed with the FOI bill signed by GEJ, we moved away more from the worst.

N5 billion recovered, 40 arrested over oil subsidy fraud— EFCC
November 11, 2014

- See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/11/n5-billion-recovered-40-arrested-oil-subsidy-fraud-efcc/#sthash.Vt13qXxq.dpuf

Money Laundering : EFCC Floors Igbinedion as Appeal Court Okays Ex-Gov’s Trial
10 Apr 2014

More from: http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/money-laundering-efcc-floors-igbinedion-as-appeal-court-okays-ex-gov-s-trial/175848/

EFCC Arraigns 40 Suspects Over N4.5 Billion Pension Scam
14 NOVEMBER 2011

More from: http://allafrica.com/stories/201111150067.html

This is the example what has happened. If none has been convicted, it is because of the loopholes in the 1999 constitution which is exploited by thieves. Again because most of the judges have prices, it is easy to obtain continuous adjournment and stay out of jail.

It is easier and better to prevent looting that to prosecute offenders because that takes more money.

Like I said, IPPIS removed over 40,000 ghost workers from the federal payroll
The e-wallet removed the fraud in fertilizer and seedling distribution to over 6 million farmer from 300,000 reached before now

Gbawe, you and I know that most people believe that doing things the wrong way is the way of life in Nigeria. Corruption is rife and trust just punishing offenders alone will not take care of it otherwise armed robbers would have stopped robbing but blocking the loopholes is the best way.

Is GEJ perfect? No. Has he acheived all he can? No. Has he made progress? Yes and significantly so.
As tight as the system is in the UK, many fraudsters still shortchange the system. We still need to perfect the electronic system of fighting corruption.
According to TI, the following contribute most to corruption
1. Police
2. Judges
3. Civil servants and Politicians
4.

The Fed is dealing with the civil servant part and in extension politicians because the politicians depend on civil servants to do their thing.
There is need for constitutional reforms to take adequate care of the nos 1 & 2 and GEJ national conference was a good avenue to achieve that.
Most of those who want the system to remain dead kicked against the parts relating to this.
You know I am not joking and that I am very serious

You know Buhari has no achievement to campaign with apart from the false toga of integrity which has been punctured severely that it is leaking.
https://www.nairaland.com/2117791/achievements-jonathan-sambo-administration-pictures

I have to say I have observed your discuss is no longer as clean as it used to be ooo. Is that an APC thing wink

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by nogames: 8:52pm On Feb 09, 2015

[quote
author=agabaI23 post=30546408]You have your 1999 constitution to blame
for lack of convictions not GEJ. He has arraigned many but they all
left with a slap in the wrist.

Also you have to blame the judges who are very corrupt and the civil
servants who also 3rd in the pecking order

You have to blame the police who are the most corrupt. Tinubu was taken
to court and the supreme court said he could not be prosecuted because
he enjoyed immunity as sitting governor. When he exited, the police
refused to arrest him.
GEJ constituted a national conference to enable us make changes, but
your ilks refused to touch those very important institution
strengthening bits.

He is pulling corruption from the root and playing to the cameras,
unfortunately most people wont understand this.

The IPPIS, has removed over 40000 ghost workers from Fed payroll and
like this guy confirmed, no more middle men in contract payment.

If people are still being paid for work not done, then the 20, 000 km of
roads done would not be possible.
The rails cannot be possible
The e-wallet could not happen
These were avenues of corruption which no one talked about.
GEJ is building institutions not playing to gallery.[/quote]we have you to blame for perdon Alams right?

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by nogames: 8:58pm On Feb 09, 2015

nogames:
we have you to blame for perdon Alams right?

......and we have you to blame for perdon Alams right?

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by Phoshkrown: 9:01pm On Feb 09, 2015

Hey guys, Check my signature for the truth, take action!

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 9:08pm On Feb 09, 2015

nogames:
we have you to blame for perdon Alams right?

Why? Alams did his term. Did he not do it?

BTW, there were many people pardoned

FORMER Chief of Staff Supreme Military Council, and brother of the late President, Major General Shehu Musa Yar’Adua; former Chief of General Staff, Oladipo Diya and former Governor of Bayelsa State, Chief DSP Alamieyeseigha were among those granted state pardon.

The Council of State, unanimously approved the list of those pardoned today.

The Council of State, which is comprised of the President, Vice President, all state governors, former Presidents, the Chief Justice of the Federation, the Senate President and Speaker, amongst others.

Others granted pardon include Major Bello Magaji (rtd), Mohammed Lima Biu, Shettima Bulama, Major General Abdulkareem Adisa (Post Humous) and Major Segun Fadipe (rtd) respectively. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/03/yaradua-diya-alamieyeseigha-others-granted-state-pardon/

More details soon

The pardon was unanimously approved by all state governors, past heads of state etc. including the APC governors and former PDP governors now in APC. So why is now a case for GEJ alone? Fashiola was there, Amaechi was there, Rochas was there!!! Buhari does not attend council of state unless it has to do with him becoming the president other wise he would have been there.

Remember he would have pardoned Abacha if he was convicted because he believed he did no wrong.

Why is no one mentioning those other people pardoned?
Is it because Alams is from his state?

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 10:26pm On Feb 09, 2015

He is promising jobs, how? Like this?

All companies were posting negative results

Unemployment situation never been as it was then since 1930.
Buhari was over a year in office MARCH 15, 1985
The same month, about 2 days earlier, he authorized the export of crude meant to be refined and be imported subsequently. He was the first Nigeria leader to initiate that.

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by Change2015(m): 10:34pm On Feb 09, 2015

agabaI23:
Can you kindly tell me how the highlighted portions relate to the post you quoted

You, like Jonathan were talking about refineries coming soon, and all the other government measures and here the minister for Petroleum is saying, we will be importing refined products for the next twenty years. You don't see the connection and the confusion (even between the ministers)? Thanks tho'

#change
#GMB
#APC

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 11:03pm On Feb 09, 2015

Change2015:
You, like Jonathan were talking about refineries coming soon, and all the other government measures and here the minister for Petroleum is saying, we will be importing refined products for the next twenty years. You don't see the connection and the confusion (even between the ministers)? Thanks tho'

#change
#GMB
#APC

I said that Dangote's refineries will come on stream, I did not state when importation will stop.
I said local engineers are working on the refineries. I did not say when the importation will stop

Those refineries were meant for a lesser population not 170 million. So I don't think that it will be possible get all we need even if all the refineries operate in full capacity including dangote's. But net importation will reduce.

Did you not see this?

"Remember, Buhari initiated the trend of exporting crude which would be refined for subsequent importation. New york times of March 13, 1984"

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 11:35pm On Feb 09, 2015

queensmith:
Lets actually entertain this 'contractor' story for a minute

What I'm getting, is the change in government affected this contractors ability to take on ghost contracts?

.

This is speculation. You said my encounter which is very real is not real but you want me to believe your hypothesis. You went on to discuss based on your hypothesis without validating it because that is how you want it to be to serve your purpose. haba madam

I can't remember reading about a single project executed and commissioned within GEJs era to the cost and times initial promised - talk less of the quality.

You are no longer talking about not executing project because you know he has so many executed. Now it is delay in time and increased cost. Better than total denial.

In project management, projected completion is an educated guess made based on assumptions that monies will be available as at when needed and that everything goes on as planned. If you have a good project manager, he measures the earned value frequently to keep cost on tract. Sometimes, all things are not always equal, delays are inevitable and with delays come extra cost depending on the type or terms of contract.
Good thing is you agreed that projects were completed and commissioned wink

Please can you give an example at least of those type of projects?
As per quality, I think you are on your own except you give examples. Otherwise you are just stating a mere wish for GEJ non-peformance and our backwardness.

His second grudge, when this 'contractor' said GEJ has done 'soo well' you didn't care to ask him to expatiate? Provide examples? Is he a farming contractor? What exactly did GEJ and NOI do so well? Same for trade and investment, you didn't hear poverty almost doubled as did the unemployment rates? How exactly is the performance anything but appalling?

Madam, why should I ask when I am in the know and you are also in the know because your grouse now is about time and cost which you have not substantiated.

I'm not too sure what the purpose of this story is but it's told us nothing, if anything I'm in the firm belief GEJ supporters are as daft as he is. Good performance is just that there are no grey areas - he's either improved the country or not. In the face of global performance the man has even set the economy backwards. How in this digital era a large number of youths remain unemployed is ridiculous.

This administration has tried more for the youth than your candidates (see attached). The YouWin programme has created millionaires. The training of first class students abroad, agropreneur scheme etc. The government is laying foundation for millionaires and for wealth creation with $1 more than 160 naira.

It is even possible you are a YouWin beneficiary because i have read of one who won N10 .5M and instead of using it to create wealth, he married more women and he is a GEJ's chief critic. If such a person can say GEJ has done nothing, then.......
But Buahri was there when the naira was far superior to the dollar. tell me what he did with it.

He closed industries by starving them of raw materials without making room for local supply(Sam ohuabunwa's article is still there). This administration wants to ban importation of rice but they are beefing up local capacity to avoid scarcity. Jona wants to increase tariff on tokumbo through the auto policy, he shifted because capacity is low and will lead to hardship. This is how educated people reason.
He is beefing up manufacturing and is creating jobs.

Buhari's used price control policy to close businesses by forcing them to sell below cost price. People;s stores were broken into and good sold at prices ridiculously below cost price.

All these resulted in closure of industries and shops and unemployement was only comparable to the time of great depression in the 1930s
See attachment.

You are criticizing GEJ? If you want change, get us real change not Buhari. he cannot handle it. He tried it before and failed. Nigeria is on course.

Now defend Buhari. Tell me why it should be him instead of GEJ! Address the issues raised about him before telling how GEJ prevented you from winning YOUWIN.

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by Change2015(m): 5:43am On Feb 10, 2015

agabaI23:
I said that Dangote's refineries will come on stream, I did not state when importation will stop.
I said local engineers are working on the refineries. I did not say when the importation will stop

Those refineries were meant for a lesser population not 170 million. So I don't think that it will be possible get all we need even if all the refineries operate in full capacity including dangote's. But net importation will reduce.

Did you not see this?

"Remember, Buhari initiated the trend of exporting crude which would be refined for subsequent importation. New york times of March 13, 1984"

It started because the profligate Shagari regime left Nigeria in debt and there was an economic downturn, the very same situation Jonathan is orchestrating today. Diezani is saying that for the next 20yrs we will not have local capacity to refine for our needs, and you consider this to be a positive development plan? Why have out refineries been operating at under 20% capacity at best, under Jonathan? Some are even closer to 0%. Please explain the developments Jonathan started in Bayelsa as acting governor, and then as governor, that the people of Bayelsa celebrate today. Obasanjo outlined and started the railway development plan in 2006 in a speech to the nation that I have previously posted. Now Jonathan claims it as his own. Amnesty was Yaraduas plan. What ideas has this Jonathan outlined that can truly be said to be his own vision? "Technology" to fight corruption? FOI? PBI? Privatisation of ailing state industries?

#change
#GMB
#APC

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 5:11pm On Feb 10, 2015

Change2015:
It started because the profligate Shagari regime left Nigeria in debt and there was an economic downturn, the very same situation Jonathan is orchestrating today. Diezani is saying that for the next 20yrs we will not have local capacity to refine for our needs, and you consider this to be a positive development plan? Why have out refineries been operating at under 20% capacity at best, under Jonathan? Some are even closer to 0%. Please explain the developments Jonathan started in Bayelsa as acting governor, and then as governor, that the people of Bayelsa celebrate today. Obasanjo outlined and started the railway development plan in 2006 in a speech to the nation that I have previously posted. Now Jonathan claims it as his own. Amnesty was Yaraduas plan. What ideas has this Jonathan outlined that can truly be said to be his own vision? "Technology" to fight corruption? FOI? PBI? Privatisation of ailing state industries?

#change
#GMB
#APC

Yea Shagari had issues, but Buhari worsened it with his fire brigade approach.
The refineries has been operating below capacity since God knows when, if not, Buhari would not have sent crudes out for refining. What did he do to turn the refineries around?

He spent 20 months in office which is longer than 4 years of civilian democracy and he did nothing rather he chose to send crude abroad.
Literally, that period is equivalent to the time since 2102 after the subsidy protest. You are accusing Jona of not doing anything since then, Buhari had the same opportunity and did nothing.

I went further to tell you what stalled the TAM. And you are telling me what two minsiters said.

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by Change2015(m): 6:12pm On Feb 10, 2015

agabaI23:
Yea Shagari had issues, but Buhari worsened it with his fire brigade approach.
The refineries has been operating below capacity since God knows when, if not, Buhari would not have sent crudes out for refining. What did he do to turn the refineries around?

He spent 20 months in office which is longer than 4 years of civilian democracy and he did nothing rather he chose to send crude abroad.
Literally, that period is equivalent to the time since 2102 after the subsidy protest. You are accusing Jona of not doing anything since then, Buhari had the same opportunity and did nothing.

I went further to tell you what stalled the TAM. And you are telling me what two minsiters said.

If two ministers in the same government have conflicting projections on such an important issue, it is no wonder Soludo and his former colleagues are now at daggers drawn. How does the investor reconcile the mutually exclusive projections? Your supposition carries much less weight because you are not in charge of any government department as far as I know.
A month in government is the same for everyone depending on their respective talents (or lack thereof). In twenty months Buhari lit a fire that still resounds thirty years on. In all his years in government, from Bayelsa to Aso rock, there is little that can be identified with Jonathan. That's unless you want to claim our rocketing foreign debts (so soon after Obasanjo’s historic debt deal), his anti-corruption strategy is all paper and posturing, electricity still poor (both generation and distribution) and gas supply still disrupted largely by his own people, now we can hardly go three hours without some discussion of tribe or religion usually in a negative way, an insurgency that has lasted the whole term of his Aso rock occupancy, kidnapping now a southern sport...
Buhari (the alleged islamist and sharia proponent) worked with the Israeli secret service to attempt the kidnapping of Dikko, a Shagari era moneybag who was hiding in London. You can imagine the impact that had on the psyche of political bandits. I thoroughly applauded that action. Law and order and public courtesy (some people might say 'good manners' but this is Nigeria) were the order of the day because you did not know who might be watching. In prior/subsequent capacities as Petroleum minister or head of the PTF or gov North East, he has ensured security, decimated Maitatsine and humbled Chad (now we pay Chad to fight bh for us).
Do you really imagine what Jonathan will be remembered for, if anything at all? Why do so many feel like the nation is adrift, heading in the wrong direction, illegality has no consequences... These are thing the government is communicating to the populace by its actions and words (stealing is not corruption, nwobodo, Oduah, alams pardon, pension fund scam resulting in fines (but if it was an 'ordinary' Nigerian he would have gotten 150yrs with hard labour), we see the fuel subsidy investigation sidelined by people the president is pictured publicly with (otedola a pdp funder bribing lawal, a pdp rep)... People can feel and see the inequities that Jonathan with all his tales of a poor childhood, should have radically attacked. But no, he has become one of the elite now and forgotten those dreary days when he might have dreamed of a better Nigeria for the common man.
As Mbaka has said, I want the president that will preserve my nation, be firm but fair and uphold law and order. I want the president I can trust, one who doesn't call ex-convicts his permanent boss, one who does not manipulate religious or ethnic sentiment for personal gain, one who will give the younger ones something to believe in, and hope for. Jonathan is not that man. Buhari is our choice, and his day has come.

#change
#GMB
#APC
#oneNigeria

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by Nobody: 6:20pm On Feb 10, 2015

Gbawe:
Thank you. This is why I advised OP, if he must turn himself into an image launderer for GEJ, to stick to believable areas of strength. When he is now trying to use an area GEJ is judged as monumentally failed in, i.e corruption, to claim some fabled 'efficacy' for our failed President then it just appears that GEJ fans live in a parallel universe of lies, immorality and self-deceit.

What next? GEJ has been "silently" efficient against Boko Haram and the over 15,000.00 Nigerians the terror group have killed are not actually dead but being housed in a refugee camp in Burkina Faso? These GEJ fans sef. Sentimental enemies-of-progress the lot of them.

lol

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by anonimi: 6:30pm On Feb 10, 2015

nogames:
......and we have you to blame for perdon Alams right?

..........and you want us to replace him with someone who not only pardoned Abacha but effectively proclaimed the goggled one, a saint when he said 10 years after his death in 2008 that he (Abacha) did not steal our money shocked

https://www.iq4news.com/sites/default/files/iq4news_images/sani-abacha_0.jpg

Buhari is a bloody HYPOCRITE.
Simply put.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2026536_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by queensmith: 7:50pm On Feb 10, 2015

agabaI23:
This is speculation. You said my encounter which is very real is not real but you want me to believe your hypothesis. You went on to discuss based on your hypothesis without validating it because that is how you want it to be to serve your purpose. haba madam.

No I actually took a sympathetic view of your post, because I am genuinely trying to identify the positives of GEJ. It's what I understand from the details you have posted. You may have more info than me which will help elaborate but you haven't mentioned any. Why else will someone not like additional controls to a project? If you plan on carrying them out you shouldn't have a problem with the structure in place.

agabaI23:
You are no longer talking about not executing project because you know he has so many executed. Now it is delay in time and increased cost. Better than total denial. .

No I'm speaking of any project that's 100% GEJ, please name one.

agabaI23:
In project management, projected completion is an educated guess made based on assumptions that monies will be available as at when needed and that everything goes on as planned. If you have a good project manager, he measures the earned value frequently to keep cost on tract. Sometimes, all things are not always equal, delays are inevitable and with delays come extra cost depending on the type or terms of contract.
Good thing is you agreed that projects were completed and commissioned .

An overall estimate is often sufficient, experienced contractors can tell you how long a project will take (I'm strictly speaking infrastructure projects here) extra cost and delays may be inevitable if we don't negate the quality of the job. Again I ask you to name one worthy of a federal government

agabaI23:
Please can you give an example at least of those type of projects?
As per quality, I think you are on your own except you give examples. Otherwise you are just stating a mere wish for GEJ non-peformance and our backwardness.

Let's start with GEJs railway scam, which I understand wasn't started by him, hasn't been finished and doesn't even do what was promised?

agabaI23:
Madam, why should I ask when I am in the know and you are also in the know because your grouse now is about time and cost which you have not substantiated.

I mean is it far fetched for us to expect you to substantiate these claims? You are trying to sell us something, at least give us a reason to buy it? The president doesn't only affect our present, he dictates our future and determines how Nigerias story will be written in history. It's not too much to ask for a sensible reason why you'll claim he has done 'o soo well'

ok copying and pasting is just too long - to the rest that you've said are these claims true? You do know what the figures are currently on unemployment and poverty? If you don't I'll find them for you.

It belittles a federal government to send students abroad, how has he improved education at home?

The agropreneur scheme is also likely a scam, I know not one farmer that has benefited from this (I know many many farmers!)

This apparent lottery scheme you speak of, supposing it existed and wasn't just another one of GEJs 419 tactics, how is this a more sensible policy than putting the money towards plugging the corruption gone wild under his watch?

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Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 11:59pm On Feb 10, 2015

queensmith:
No I'm speaking of any project that's 100% GEJ, please name one.

What a question
Government is a continuum and is supposed to be a continuum. The reason why Nigeria is replete with uncompleted projects is because successive government start their own projects to make money or in other to take full glory at the detriment of the society.
What is the point starting new projects when their are ongoing project which is important to the nation?
From your question, it means that APC will dump all ongoing projects and sweep them away with their brooms. Nigerians please vote wisely

An overall estimate is often sufficient, experienced contractors can tell you how long a project will take (I'm strictly speaking infrastructure projects here) extra cost and delays may be inevitable if we don't negate the quality of the job. Again I ask you to name one worthy of a federal government

You did not say anything different from what I said so you repeated it in a different way.

When Jonathan took over after his predecessor Umaru Yar’Adua died in 2010, he ordered all 12,000 unfinished contracts to be reviewed, hoping to salvage some, said Rowland Ataguba, a rail specialist who served on the Presidential Projects Assessment Committee set up to check the list. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/10/nigeria-seeks-to-end-the-curse-of-unfinished-projects/

Let's start with GEJs railway scam, which I understand wasn't started by him, hasn't been finished and doesn't even do what was promised?

You actually call the Federal rail project a scam? What are going to call Amaechi and Fashiola's projects?
You cal a scam a project that has made it possible to travel from Enugu(East) to PH(SS) to Gombe(NE through NC) to Kaduna/Kano(NW) to Lagos(SW).

PH-Gombe was commissioned last week. Why is it a scam? You have seen videos of people travelling with. You have seen video of the spycam guy who went to see his babe in Kano etc. Are you being sincere?

The lagos- Kano partly awarded by OBJ so was the Abuja rail project. But YarÁdua suspended them

That job was so large that the committee decided to select only a few key projects from the pile, with the Abuja rail project among them, Ataguba explained.

The transit system, if it is finished, could help alleviate Abuja’s terrible traffic congestion, particularly bad on the main routes into the city centre.

The project dates back to 2007, when former president Olusegun Obasanjo signed a deal with China that included the promise of a $500-million loan, with $341 million in matching funds from Nigeria to build it by 2011.

Yar’Adua, shortly after he replaced Obasanjo in 2007, suspended nearly all of the so-called “oil-for-infrastructure” projects that his predecessor signed with Beijing, including the Abuja light rail deal. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/10/nigeria-seeks-to-end-the-curse-of-unfinished-projects/

GEJ redesigned and reawarded the remaining sector. You call the rail project that carry so many people scam? From Enugu to PH is 650 naira and you call it a scam?

t belittles a federal government to send students abroad, how has he improved education at home?

The agropreneur scheme is also likely a scam, I know not one farmer that has benefited from this (I know many many farmers!)

This apparent lottery scheme you speak of, supposing it existed and wasn't just another one of GEJs 419 tactics, how is this a more sensible policy than putting the money towards plugging the corruption gone wild under his watch?

Anything you have not seen or do not understand is scam or it is a scam because it was done by GEJ?

You call YouWin which is one of the most merit determined contest that is based purely on the sustainability of a business plan a scam?

Oh Queen! Your majesty Queen Smith,
I won't continue with this discussion for obvious reasons. You don't have facts. You are dealing with conjectures.

Look at this thread for achievements
https://www.nairaland.com/2117791/achievements-jonathan-sambo-administration-pictures/11#30572633
It may help you. If you really want to be convinced, take a trip by rail or go through Benin-ore, Abuja-lokoja road, Enugu-Ebonyi

Read sam Ohuabunwa;s article
http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=103150

Re: My Discussion With A Government Contractor Who Wants GEJ Out - Agabai23 by agabaI23(op): 12:06am On Feb 11, 2015

queensmith
A bit on Infrastructure

kano route: Lagos-Southern Ogun aircondition train route
Ajaokuta- Warri standard gauge route,
PH-Enugu airconditioned train route,
PH maiduguri trainroute
PH-Gombe route
Kaduna intra- city train routes,
Makurdi- PH airconditioned train route,
Abuja- Kaduna standard guage route(track laying finished)
Work on Lagos-Ibadan standard guage route ongoing. And about to kickstart Lagos-
Calabar coastal railway route.
(3) He established 12 federal universities.
Massive road reconstruction across that
country(25000km ).
Benin-Ore road, Abuja-Lokoja expressway, Enugu-Abakaliki , Onitsha-
Owerri road, Kaduna-Maidugur i road,
East-West road,
Parts of PH-Enugu road &Lagos-Ibadan 8-lane road
ongoing.
(4 ) Construction of 2nd Niger Bridge is
ongoing..Yet Goodluck is
bad.
( 5) He dredged River Niger..Yet Goodluck is
bad.
(6) Improved power supply from 2500mw to
6000mw and
implanted 10 new power plants..Yet
Goodluck is bad.
( 7) He revived the automobile industry with
the new automobile
policy spurring Nissan&Hyundai e.t.c to
assemble/ produce cars in
Nigeria and the emergence of Indigenous
automobile company the
INNOSON group now producing locally made
in Nigeria cars, SUVs
and trucks known as the IVM motors First in
the history of Nigeria,
She joined the commodity of car
manufacturing countries..Yet
Goodluck is bad.
(cool He remodeled airports to international
standard,built five new
airport terminals in PH, Lagos,kano, Abuja &
Enugu. First in the
history of Nigeria, the East now have an
international airport..Yet
Goodluck is bad.
(9 ) He signed freedom of information(FOI )
bill past leaders refused
to sign..Yet Jonathan is bad.
(10) He revamped the agricultural sector.
Nigeria now the largest producer of cassava
in the world with 45million metric tonnes-
FAO, the largest exporter of cassava chips
to China and have unprecedented 60%
sufficient in rice
production.Yet Goodluck is bad.
(11) He gave women 35% affirmative to
women participation in
governance which saw the emergence of
Muktar as the first ever
female Chief Justice of Nigeria..
Yet Goodluck is bad.
(12) He was able to contain the outbreak of
Ebola disease..
Yet Goodluck is bad.
(13) No more long queues at filling
stations..Yet Goodluck is bad.
(14) Nigeria manufacture her first ever
locally made drone..
Yet Goodluck is bad
(15) He signed local content act. Nigeria now
have 400 tankers
transporting crude oil.Previously it was 60
tankers. Yet Goodluck is
bad.
(16) His government recorded an
unprecedented achievement in
sports, best sporting performance in the
history of country..Yet
Goodluck is bad.
(17) Nigeria is now the largest economy in
Africa and the
3rd fastest growing economy in the world
after China and Qatar--
CNN..Yet Goodluck is bad.
(18) He made it possible for Nigeria to
conduct the most free, fair &
credible election in the history of the country
(2011 election). Yet
Goodluck is bad.
(19) He does not interfere with the electoral
and judiciary
system.Election s in Imo, Anambra,Osun,
Ondo and Edo are examples. In the
history of Nigeria, is only in his government
the opposition
controlled large number of states and
controlled greater number of
seats in the National Assembly..Yet Goodluck
is bad.
(20) Under his government,poli tical
assassination and
assassination of high profile Nigerians is now
a thing of the past.
Who killed Dele Giwa, Bola Ige,
FunshoWilliams, Marshall Harry,
Aminisoari Dikibo,Alfred Rewane, Ken Saro
Wiwa, Kudirat
Abiola,NBA chairman Barnabas Igwe and his
wife Abigail Igwe? In
whose governments were all these
murdered? I can go on and give
you about 100 high profile political
assassination in Obasanjo's
civilian rule alone..Yet President Goodluck
Jonathan is bad and so
unacceptable to you.
(21) GEJ approved 2,564 vehicles for police
for free and fair elections and some bad
eggs still complain that he is not working.

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