logica:
LOL. Comparing THOSE to Egyptian Pyramids? From the person sitting on the Igbo "pyramid" and a person standing in front of the Egyptian Pyramid, can you see the huge difference in SCALE?

LOL. Mr Jones wasn't sitting on the Nsude pyramid but on a stub by the side of it.

bigfrancis21:
In 1935, G. I. Jones, an anthropoligist and colonial administrator took pictures of the Nsude pyramids, ancient Igbo pyramids, in Udi, Enugu state Nigeria with a Roloflex camera which he acquired and developed a system for immediate developing which produced negatives of such high quality that they continue to produce excellent prints six decades later. It was at this time that he built up the extraordinary photographic record of Southeastern Nigerian culture.

The pyramids, numbering 10 in number are circular and stepped and were made of clay.

Here are pictures of the pyramids:

[img]http://jonesarchive.siu.edu/wp-content/uploads/arunsi10.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonesarchive.siu.edu/wp-content/uploads/arunsi111.jpg[/img]


The first base section was 60 ft. in circumference and 3 ft. in height. The next stack was 45 ft. in circumference. Circular stacks continued, till it reached the top. The structures were temples for the god Ala/Uto, who was believed to reside at the top. A stick was placed at the top to represent the god’s residence. The structures were laid in groups of five parallel to each other. Because it was built of clay/mud like the Deffufa of Nubia, time has taken its toll requiring periodic reconstruction.

Strikingly, these pyramids bear striking resemblance to the Step Pyramid of Saqqara, in Egypt constructed in 2648 BC and without a doubt, derive from the same cultural/religious/philosophical tradition that inspired this ancient Egyptian monument. Moreso, more striking is the similar replication of Nubian-like pyramids thousands of miles away from the Nubian area in the heart of Igboland, or vice versa, whichever comes first.




The Step Pyramids of Saqqara, Egypt.

Evidence like this indicates a strong level of correlation between the ancient egyptians and the ancient Igbo. The building of the pyramids may have been done at the same time the first or second wave of Egyptian pyramids were built by the Nubians.

The Nubian dynasty of Egypt (the 25th Dynasty of Egypt) saw the first widespread construction of pyramids (many in modern Sudan) since the Middle Kingdom.

Jews built egyptian pyramid and during the time of exodus some migrated east while some migrated south like the etjoopian Jews and igbo

There is no doubt that igbo have relationship with Hebrew and Ibo is an adaptive name of heebrew which is a fact from cultural and religious rites


thats a nice exposition

logica:
LOL. Comparing THOSE to Egyptian Pyramids? From the person sitting on the Igbo "pyramid" and a person standing in front of the Egyptian Pyramid, can you see the huge difference in SCALE?

No they are not as big. This is partially because they are mud built rather than stone. Perhaps even partially because of cultural reasons - i.e. being built to house a deity who may not need very much space, rather than to house a physical body of a dead pharaoh, plus all his worldly goods (they did try to take it with em! ) and also as a defense (ultimately futile) against tomb robbers. Sensible practicality versus mans vanity!

Besides we should not judge by size. If we mention stone circles everyone thinks immediately of Stonehenge. But there are much larger (although less well known) stone circles both in Ireland and indeed the Brittany region of France.

sweetgala:


And you seem to think you are smart Abi....
Let me wake you up, you are incompetent and slow

I have noticed you! Oya, scurry away like a dirty 3 legged puppy outta here you dummy!

tonychristopher:



Jews built egyptian pyramid and during the time of exodus some migrated east while some migrated south like the etjoopian Jews and igbo

There is no doubt that igbo have relationship with Hebrew and Ibo is an adaptive name of heebrew which is a fact from cultural and religious rites


thats a nice exposition

Actually, the Hebrews (not 'Jews'. 'Jew' is a more recently advanced general name for the people of Israel. Ancient Israelites referred to themselves as 'Hebrews') did not build the Egyptian pyramids because they came to Egypt years after the pyramids had been completed. Furthermore, the Nubian people of Sudan during the Nubian dynasty or 25th dynasty of Egypt were responsible for the last wave of Egyptian pyramids before Egypt fell to foreign occupation. As to the actual builders of the Pyramids, it is quite unknown, however I strongly believe the pyramids were a construction and remnant of the great Atlantis period on earth before it crumbled up. Its peoples built massive structures by a simple combination and projection of energy.

tonychristopher:

Jews built egyptian pyramid and during the time of exodus some migrated east while some migrated south like the etjoopian Jews and igbo
There is no doubt that igbo have relationship with Hebrew and Ibo is an adaptive name of heebrew which is a fact from cultural and religious rites
thats a nice exposition

Don't know about the other evidence for a Hebrew connection but Pyramid building is not one of them. The Igbo pyramids were an independent design (VERY different in scale, structure - circular- and material), built probably willingly, for the housing of a spiritual God.

Egyptian pyramids were built (by Hebrew slave labour) for their Egyptian masters to house the DEAD remains of a pharaoh and protect the worldly wealth (unsuccessfully) from thieves. The Hebrews had no intrinsic interest in pyramids or ever attempted to build any and without Egyptian coercion would not even have bothered with those!

The MANY cultures who built pyramidal structures across the continents (and similar structures such as Ziggurats) exhibit no linkages between themselves.

As for the 'step' design (very different in scale and design from Igbo to Egyptian pyramids) this is also exhibited in most pyramid building cultures as a natural development as peoples learned the techniques of pyramid building.


IF the Igbo pyramids were like the Egyptian (which they are not) it would strongly argue AGAINST a Hebrew-Igbo link and instead FOR an Egyptian-Igbo link.

I have seen those pyramids. I did my high school at community secondary school Nsude. known as KOMBA. That place is really amazing. I saw the pyramids during Those days we would go out in search of UTHU( the sweet thing you have to get from a tree) in a thick forest.

Frank.I am enjoying this line of argurmrnt but I respect you on igbo history but o put it to you that Jews built pyramids just that I am on mobile I would have given you refrences

bigfrancis21:


Actually, the Hebrews (not 'Jews'. 'Jew' is a more recently advanced general name for the people of Israel. Ancient Israelites referred to themselves as 'Hebrews') did not build the Egyptian pyramids because they came to Egypt years after the pyramids had been completed. Furthermore, the Nubian people of Sudan during the Nubian dynasty or 25th dynasty of Egypt were responsible for the last wave of Egyptian pyramids before Egypt fell to foreign occupation.

cross22:
I have seen those pyramids. I did my high school at community secondary school Nsude. known as KOMBA. That place is really amazing. I saw the pyramids during Those days we would go out in search of UTHU( the sweet thing you have to get from a tree) in a thick forest.

It is nice to have an actual witness of these pyramids! Because I was wondering if the pyramids were still in existence today.

A great tourist site needs to be made out of the pyramids, and fallen parts of it reconstructed for aesthetic appearance.

KoloOyinbo:


Don't know about the other evidence for a Hebrew connection but Pyramid building is not one of them. The Igbo pyramids were an independent design (VERY different in scale, structure - circular- and material), built probably willingly, for the housing of a spiritual God.

Egyptian pyramids were built (by Hebrew slave labour) for their Egyptian masters to house the DEAD remains of a pharaoh and protect the worldly wealth (unsuccessfully) from thieves. The Hebrews had no intrinsic interest in pyramids or ever attempted to build any and without Egyptian coercion would not even have bothered with those!

The MANY cultures who built pyramidal structures across the continents (and similar structures such as Ziggurats) exhibit no linkages between themselves.

As for the 'step' design (very different in scale and design from Igbo to Egyptian pyramids) this is also exhibited in most pyramid building cultures as a natural development as peoples learned the techniques of pyramid building.


IF the Igbo pyramids were like the Egyptian (which they are not) it would strongly argue AGAINST a Hebrew-Igbo link and instead FOR an Egyptian-Igbo link.

Nicely said.

tonychristopher:
Frank.I am enjoying this line of argurmrnt but I respect you on igbo history but o put it to you that Jews built pyramids just that I am on mobile I would have given you refrences

I would like to see your references.

You are right in the sense that the ancient Hebrews did not build the pyramids. amongst other things, it was built for ascension. prior to the appearance of other races (racism not intended), The black people could consciously ascend at a very old ripe age, this was when the pineal gland was fully activated and our DNA was of 12 strands.
we spread out throughout the entire planet from civilization(which was primarily from north africa to the middle-east), we spread out down deep into the jungles of africa, into lemuria (on the pacific), into atlantis, into the americas, eating meats and living other than ourselves we reduced the 12 strands DNA into just 2 strands. this happened over a very long period of time of many generations untaught the knowledge of self.
The few that was left in civilization was the ones who built the pyramids because they knew that with 2 strands of DNA, it will be impossible to ascend conciously.
The egyptian pyramid is very big because it contain 144,000 bodies plus maybe another 60,000 bodies. 144,000 ressurected people here on earth will ascend into the 144,000 bodies, while the 60,000 bodies are preserved for Eloheim from sirius stars.
The reason why there was need to reduce the 12 strands DNA was to be able to make the other races.
10 tribes are lost, the only 2 that are here now are the ethopians and the dogons which were never colonized or enslaved.

bigfrancis21:


Actually, the Hebrews (not 'Jews'. 'Jew' is a more recently advanced general name for the people of Israel. Ancient Israelites referred to themselves as 'Hebrews') did not build the Egyptian pyramids because they came to Egypt years after the pyramids had been completed. Furthermore, the Nubian people of Sudan during the Nubian dynasty or 25th dynasty of Egypt were responsible for the last wave of Egyptian pyramids before Egypt fell to foreign occupation. As to the actual builders of the Pyramids, it is quite unknown, however I strongly believe the pyramids was a construction and remnant of the great Atlantis period on earth before it crumbled up. Its peoples built massive structures by a simple combination and projection of energy.

Pyramids! Bwahaha... They look like dinosaur dungs! Ancient Igbo people lack innovation.

gatiano:
You are right in the sense that the ancient Hebrews did not build the pyramids. amongst other things, it was built for ascension. prior to the appearance of other races (racism not intended), The black people could consciously ascend at a very old ripe age, this was when the pineal gland was fully activated and our DNA was of 12 strands.
we spread out throughout the entire planet from civilization(which was primarily from north africa to the middle-east), we spread out down deep into the jungles of africa, into lemuria (on the pacific), into atlantis, into the americas, eating meats and living other than ourselves we reduced the 12 strands DNA into just 2 strands. this happened over a very long period of time of many generations untaught the knowledge of self.
The few that was left in civilization was the ones who built the pyramids because they knew that with 2 strands of DNA, it will be impossible to ascend conciously.
The egyptian pyramid is very big because it contain 144,000 bodies plus maybe another 60,000 bodies. 144,000 ressurected people here on earth will ascend into the 144,000 bodies, while the 60,000 bodies are preserved for Eloheim from sirius stars.
The reason why there was need to reduce the 12 strands DNA was to be able to make the other races.
10 tribes are lost, the only 2 that are here now are the ethopians and the dogons which were never colonized or enslaved.

Oh you can gene splice and alter DNA! What a fantastic imagination this guy has!

KoloOyinbo:


Oh you can gene splice and alter DNA! What a fantastic imagination this guy has!

I'm just wondering, have you ever heard of Atlantis before?

KoloOyinbo:


I have many Nigerian friends in Belfast. In fact it is fair to say my best friend here is an Igbo guy. I am also involved with the Nigerian community though friends and a community group. While there are cultural differences they are generally well thought of. It is very funny though when I meet a Nigerian here for the first time and greet them in Yoruba or Igbo and they are amazed that an oyinbo can do this. The Nigerian community in Dublin is even larger than that in Belfast!

I'm glad you don't see them as economic refugees, I was having a chat wit a Scottish lady asking her what the cost of getting a master degree in Scotland would be like, her response was that she couldn't help with money apparently she thought I was going to ask her for money, although she later apologized but the truth is that she thinks my plan is to come to Europe to seek greener pastures. maybe that's the lens from which Europeans view Africans in their midst, I'm glad you're different sha, humanity needs to learn from you

Are the Pyramids still in existence 2day? They wld make a good tourist site!

bigfrancis21:


Actually, the Hebrews (not 'Jews'. 'Jew' is a more recently advanced general name for the people of Israel. Ancient Israelites referred to themselves as 'Hebrews') did not build the Egyptian pyramids because they came to Egypt years after the pyramids had been completed. Furthermore, the Nubian people of Sudan during the Nubian dynasty or 25th dynasty of Egypt were responsible for the last wave of Egyptian pyramids before Egypt fell to foreign occupation. As to the actual builders of the Pyramids, it is quite unknown, however I strongly believe the pyramids were a construction and remnant of the great Atlantis period on earth before it crumbled up. Its peoples built massive structures by a simple combination and projection of energy.

Well, i know quite well that the great civilization of Egypt was said to have begun with the unification of upper and lower Egypt by NAMER. His statue bears the physical attributes of a negroid heritage. On the other hand, It is impossible to rule out the Hebrews as part of the pyramid puzzle as no one could say for sure how the ancient Jews looked like. Napoleon's mission to Egypt and how he commanded his army to disfigure the face of the Sphinx for lookig too negroid is still a recent history.

Since the negroid-looking OLMEC busts were discovered in Mexico, the white conservative establishment have finally begun to accept the possibility that blacks might have been responsible for the construction of the pyramids and even exported the tech. to the Americas. And that they were actually great seafarers. The Atlantis hypothesis in Egyptian pyramids is weak.

bigfrancis21:


I'm just wondering, have you ever heard of Atlantis before?

Yes of course. The consensus seems to fall between one of two theories,

A) It is purely fictional

B) It was part of the Minoan civilization destroyed by the volcanic eruption of Santorini

Of course there are innumerable other theories by every crank and crackpot out there but they just lack any solid evidence.

From a personal point of view I do like theory B above and not just because it is probably the majority accepted viewpoint.

KoloOyinbo:


No they are not as big. This is partially because they are mud built rather than stone. Perhaps even partially because of cultural reasons - i.e. being built to house a deity who may not need very much space, rather than to house a physical body of a dead pharaoh, plus all his worldly goods (they did try to take it with em! ) and also as a defense (ultimately futile) against tomb robbers. Sensible practicality versus mans vanity!

Besides we should not judge by size. If we mention stone circles everyone thinks immediately of Stonehenge. But there are much larger (although less well known) stone circles both in Ireland and indeed the Brittany region of France.

What makes the Egyptian Pyramids amazing is the scale (massive) and precision work that went into building them; and nothing more.

all4naija:
Pyramids! Bwahaha... They look like dinosaur dungs! Ancient Igbo people lack innovation.

LOL...now that you mentioned it...

ROSSIKE:
I think we need to appreciate the value of history in the first place. Especially these buffoons who pose as our leaders. The very idea of removing history from the school curriculum is shocking and revolting. If ever a group of people needed to learn/relearn their history, it is Africans, following our long record of foreign invasions, slavery and colonisation. And here we are banning its study!

That's why they're bufoons.

clears throat n drink origin

gatiano:
You are right in the sense that the ancient Hebrews did not build the pyramids. amongst other things, it was built for ascension. prior to the appearance of other races (racism not intended), The black people could consciously ascend at a very old ripe age, this was when the pineal gland was fully activated and our DNA was of 12 strands.
we spread out throughout the entire planet from civilization(which was primarily from north africa to the middle-east), we spread out down deep into the jungles of africa, into lemuria (on the pacific), into atlantis, into the americas, eating meats and living other than ourselves we reduced the 12 strands DNA into just 2 strands. this happened over a very long period of time of many generations untaught the knowledge of self.
The few that was left in civilization was the ones who built the pyramids because they knew that with 2 strands of DNA, it will be impossible to ascend conciously.
The egyptian pyramid is very big because it contain 144,000 bodies plus maybe another 60,000 bodies. 144,000 ressurected people here on earth will ascend into the 144,000 bodies, while the 60,000 bodies are preserved for Eloheim from sirius stars.
The reason why there was need to reduce the 12 strands DNA was to be able to make the other races.
10 tribes are lost, the only 2 that are here now are the ethopians and the dogons which were never colonized or enslaved.

What on earth are you going on about?

KoloOyinbo:


Oh you can gene splice and alter DNA! What a fantastic imagination this guy has!

Ishilove:



What on earth are you going on about?

LOL. Don't worry too much about it. Just the posters current flight of fantasy. When they cant deal with reality they invent rubbish from legend and 'magic numbers' etc.

KoloOyinbo:


LOL. Don't worry too much about it. Just the posters current flight of fantasy. When they cant deal with reality they invent rubbish from legend and 'magic numbers' etc.

I got lost after the 1st paragraph

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NAIJA KWENU!!!
AFRICA KWENU!!!
BLACK KWENU!!!


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqbQ1fsim54


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa-eWNrk6Yk

https://www.nairaland.com/973985/nsibiri-pre-colonial-writing-south-eastern

KoloOyinbo:


Don't know about the other evidence for a Hebrew connection but Pyramid building is not one of them. The Igbo pyramids were an independent design (VERY different in scale, structure - circular- and material), built probably willingly, for the housing of a spiritual God.

You don't know that.

Egyptian pyramids were built (by Hebrew slave labour)

How do you know that?

for their Egyptian masters to house the DEAD remains of a pharaoh and protect the worldly wealth (unsuccessfully) from thieves.

Not all the pyramids were built as tombs. Pharaohs had tombs built for them very separate from the pyramids. Also, the pyramids appear to have served certain spiritual and technological functions that went far beyond their being mere repositories for the deceased pharaohs.

The MANY cultures who built pyramidal structures across the continents (and similar structures such as Ziggurats) exhibit no linkages between themselves.

How much research have you conducted into those cultures to back that claim?

IF the Igbo pyramids were like the Egyptian (which they are not)

The Nsude pyramids look VERY MUCH LIKE the step pyramids of Saqqara in Egypt, differentiated only by scale and material. In fact, they look almost identical. What are you on about?

The Nubian pyramids and temples of Sudan

[img]http://camel76.files./2013/01/meroe-7.jpg[/img]





[img]http://thedarkangle.files./2013/04/nubian-ruins-in-africa2.jpg[/img]



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Ancient Nubians (tomb art from Nubia circa 2500BC)
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Artist's rendition of Nubian royal procession.
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A brief history:

The Neolithic people in the Nile Valley likely came from Sudan, as well as the Sahara, and there was shared culture with the two areas and with that of Egypt during this time period. By the 5th millennium BC, the people who inhabited what is now called Nubia participated in the Neolithic revolution. Saharan rock reliefs depict scenes that have been thought to be suggestive of a cattle cult, typical of those seen throughout parts of Eastern Africa and the Nile Valley even to this day. Megaliths discovered at Nabta Playa are early examples of what seems to be one of the world's first astronomical devices, predating Stonehenge by almost 2,000 years. This complexity as observed at Nabta Playa, and as expressed by different levels of authority within the society there, likely formed the basis for the structure of both the Neolithic society at Nabta and the Old Kingdom of Egypt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia

ROSSIKE:

Don't know about the other evidence for a Hebrew connection but Pyramid building is not one of them. The Igbo pyramids were an independent design (VERY different in scale, structure - circular- and material), built probably willingly, for the housing of a spiritual God.

You don't know that.

Well they did not house bodies so what else? The purpose was obviously very different from the Egyptian pyramids and more similar to the pyramidal temples of other cultures. What do you say they are for and what is your evidence

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Egyptian pyramids were built (by Hebrew slave labour)

How do you know that?

I did not want to open the 'who built the Egyptian pyramids debate' as it gets committed archaeologists on one hand and committed Bibicl believers on the other hand at each others throats - great way to derail a thread!

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Not all the pyramids were built as tombs. Pharaohs had tombs built for them very separate from the pyramids.

All were tombs, used or otherwise. Certainly all the main ones that we think of when we mention Egyptian pyramids. What information have you to the contrary?

How much research have you conducted into those cultures to back that claim?
Which Cultures? I mentioned many. I have visited and mapped some of the Mayan structures but know the Asian only through reading.


The Nsude pyramids look VERY MUCH LIKE the step pyramids of Saqqara in Egypt, differentiated only by scale and material. In fact, they look virtually identical. What are you on about?

The look NOTHING like them! Apart from a step! Look at the SIZE and SHAPE. See also the Mayan pyramids which look much more like the Step pyramid in Egypt than these round structures.

KoloOyinbo:

I have addressed most or the points above. Really if it was a simple matter of 'oh look, there is a vague similarity' would not archaeologists have noticed this. Why has archaeology not linked pyramid building cultures across the world with each other? In fact quite the opposite!

Now research is somewhat more than idly glancing at pictures on the internet. It is about studying your subject FORMALLY and reading prober information rather than just everything that happens to pop up on the internet. Now I have read enough archaeology to realise that the differing pyramid building cultures are not linked by any evidence at all. If you feel you can overturn archaeological wisdom we look forward to your Nobel prize!

KoloOyinbo:

KoloOyinbo:

I have addressed most or the points above. Really if it was a simple matter of 'oh look, there is a vague similarity' would not archaeologists have noticed this. Why has archaeology not linked pyramid building cultures across the world with each other? In fact quite the opposite!

Now research is somewhat more than idly glancing at pictures on the internet. It is about studying your subject FORMALLY and reading prober information rather than just everything that happens to pop up on the internet. Now I have read enough archaeology to realise that the differing pyramid building cultures are not linked by any evidence at all. If you feel you can overturn archaeological wisdom we look forward to your Nobel prize!

Garbage. It's like saying that modern day skyscrapers, stadia, or motor cars emerged independently on every continent. Sheer common sense tells you that these things evolved from a specific modern cultural framework or reference point - the industrial revolution in Europe (1760-1840). How then can you say that structures as unique as pyramids were independently dreamt up by people across the globe? What makes you think there was no global cultural fountain and human interraction in ancient times from which the global practice of pyramid building came to be established? Do you think people did not travel around in those days? The oldest pyramids known to man are in Africa, so it makes perfect sense to say it was an African tradition and likely, a technological practice, of as yet unknown import, which was spread across the world in its day by migrating Africans.