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johnydon22:
To the Muslims you also is an infidel and an unbeliever...
You are also an unbeliever to the pegans
to the Hindus etc

exactly

denisbid:
i don't understand something.
what is the great tribulation?

the great tribulation is what i just explained. the disciples following Christ.
the tribulation was the journey from
Galilee to Jerusalem the disciples went through
by following Jesus. they abandoned all that
they had (peter says we have left all and follow
thee) and went through the harsh condition of
the wilderness. the bible desribed that event as
the worst in the history of mankind Matthew
24:21.
immediately after the great tribulation, Christ was crucidied.
this is what happened during the crucifixion, check your Bible and confirm this.
then,immediately after that tribulation matt
24:29 says SHALL THE SUN BE DARKENED,the
moon shall not give her light, the stars shall
fall from heaven (all these point to one thing
that THERE WILL BE DARKNESS)
Luke 23:44 confirmed this when Christ was crucified .
And it was about the sixth hour(6am early in
the mourning ), and there was a DARKNESS
over all the earth until the ninth hour.(9am in
the morning )
also, earthquake was mentioned.
AND THE POWERS OF THE HEAVENS
SHALL BE SHAKENED (this signifies
EARTHQUAKE )
and truly, there was earthquake when Christ was crucified.
Matthew 27:51.confirmed this.
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in
twain from the top to the bottom; AND THE
EARTH DID QUAKE , and the rocks rent
all these things happened after the disciples followed Jesus on a long journey to Jerusalem. that journey is the great tribulation.

timonski:
lol. Right now, satan is the ruler of this world

it depend on what you mean.
if you mean that the world is bad right now, then you are correct.
But things will not continue like that, gradually people are getting knowledge and understanding. thousands of years from now, the world will become a better place.
we will all see it like that, all christians.
do you know that we will never die?
lol

FrancisTony:
Before I take your rants serious, provide a biblical verse that says "believing only" is enough to take us to heaven. All you are doing here, is ranting off point.

You didn't even counter my point that says lust is a sin that leads to hell fire.

Devil believed in God but just an evil thought from his heart, was enough to send him to hell fire. Why didn't God forgive him?

Jesus came to die for our original sin which was an obstacle hindering us from speaking with God directly. Smh

whether you take me seriously or not, it doesn't change the truth.
it is everywhere in the new testament.
what i am talking about is grace, the truth is, we are all saved by grace, and not by works.
the book of Romans has plenty to confirm this.
Grace is, just believe, thats all.
if you work, you are just cheating yourself.

paxonel:
whether you take me seriously or not, it doesn't change the truth.
it is everywhere in the new testament.
what i am talking about is grace, the truth is, we are all saved by grace, and not by works.
the book of Romans has plenty to confirm this.
Grace is, just believe, thats all.
if you work, you are just cheating yourself.

I have provided a biblical proof for mine. Provide yours

paxonel:
check your dictionary, as the name implies, an unbeliever is someone who doesn't share the same faith with you, not people who commit sin.
the name formerly used for unbelievers who are people like Muslims, atheists etc, because they do not believe in Jesus is infidel.
But the word infidel is seen offensive, so it is not used in this modern day.

you are right

FrancisTony:
I have provided a biblical proof for mine. Provide yours

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God(the definite article there is THE WORK, that means, there is only one work to do ), that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.(that's all )
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
so, your only duty as christian is to believe in Jesus which you have already done when you were brought up from a Christian home , that's all.
every other additional thing you do is religious fanatism

paxonel:
the great tribulation is what i just explained. the disciples following Christ.
the tribulation was the journey from
Galilee to Jerusalem the disciples went through
by following Jesus. they abandoned all that
they had (peter says we have left all and follow
thee) and went through the harsh condition of
the wilderness. the bible desribed that event as
the worst in the history of mankind Matthew
24:21.
immediately after the great tribulation, Christ was crucidied.
this is what happened during the crucifixion, check your Bible and confirm this.
then,immediately after that tribulation matt
24:29 says SHALL THE SUN BE DARKENED,the
moon shall not give her light, the stars shall
fall from heaven (all these point to one thing
that THERE WILL BE DARKNESS)
Luke 23:44 confirmed this when Christ was crucified .
And it was about the sixth hour(6am early in
the mourning ), and there was a DARKNESS
over all the earth until the ninth hour.(9am in
the morning )
also, earthquake was mentioned.
AND THE POWERS OF THE HEAVENS
SHALL BE SHAKENED (this signifies
EARTHQUAKE )
and truly, there was earthquake when Christ was crucified.
Matthew 27:51.confirmed this.
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in
twain from the top to the bottom; AND THE
EARTH DID QUAKE , and the rocks rent
all these things happened after the disciples followed Jesus on a long journey to Jerusalem. that journey is the great tribulation.

hmmm!
ok, why did Jesus used the phrase IN THOSE DAYS ?
For example, in matt. 24:22 And except those days should be shortened,....
And also in
Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
don't you think that he used THOSE DAYS because these things is going to happen in the future?

yes, too much fake beliefs that is against ethics is fanatism.
too much everything is bad.
infact, too much church going, too much pastor this, pastor that. is fanatism.
see boko haram now, very fanatic fundamental entity.
please, what is the cause of fanatism in religion?
it's a big problem

denisbid:
hmmm!
ok, why did Jesus used the phrase IN THOSE DAYS ?
For example, in matt. 24:22 And except those days should be shortened,....
And also in
Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
don't you think that he used THOSE DAYS because these things is going to happen in the future?

you ask very intelligent question,
i like you.
see, that very day Jesus was prophesying.
what he was saying was a prophesy that was already written about him and what will happen during the period when the Messiah will be crucified.
the prophesy must have said, this is what will happen IN THOSE DAYS when the Messiah will come.
as Jesus was talking, it's like, he was directly quoting the prophesy that IN THOSE DAYS (that is, in this generation ) And the people of that generation were listening, they didn't know that he was that Messiah that is to come.
so, he was prophesying what will happen, meanwhile, the fulfilment of the prophesy was happening right there in their eyes, they didn't know.
apart from the persecution of christians which happened after the resurrection,
all the rumors of wars, earthquake, deceptions, crucifixion, great tribulation, one taken, the other left behind ( what is confusing modern day christians that they are saying it is rapture) was happening right there in that generation Christ came to die.
after telling them everything, he said.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
so, everything happened in that generation. not in the future.
it was after the resurrection that Christ open their eyes to see all these things, that it just happened.

Iceflox:
yes, too much fake beliefs that is against ethics is fanatism.
too much everything is bad.
infact, too much church going, too much pastor this, pastor that. is fanatism.
see boko haram now, very fanatic fundamental entity.
please, what is the cause of fanatism in religion?
it's a big problem

ahahaaahaaaa.
lol.
you don come again.
the cause is misinterpretations, of the quran and bible.
you see, what is happening in Islam is also happening in Christianity.
the good thing is that, christians don't use their own to kill people

paxonel:
John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God(the definite article there is THE WORK, that means, there is only one work to do ), that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.(that's all )
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
so, your only duty as christian is to believe in Jesus which you have already done when you were brought up from a Christian home , that's all.
every other additional thing you do is religious fanatism

Stop twisting bible to suit your heresy - Jesus was talking about baptism being prerequisite for making heaven not the sole requirement.

I laughed when you cited a dictionary to define your meaning of a believer when Bible and Dictionary aren't the same.

Anyways, this another plain bible verse because you have been twisting your own to suit you....

Matthew 7:21

Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my father.

Isn't it obvious the jews are messing with y'all? They are the special people, the only ones whose salvation is guaranteed, the best and loved tribe, the 144,000 that doesn't even need to accept christ for them to be saved while y'all are asked to workout your own salvation with fear and trembling?

Ignorance is bliss indeed!

paxonel:
the very day Christ resurrected since 2000 years ago, and the very day any non christian (unbeliever ) or athiest decide to believe in Jesus, he is automatically translated to heaven

By believing in Christ alone does not mean you are save.

Matthew 7:20-23King James Version (KJV)

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You are not in heaven, because you are not yet judged.
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done

Matthew 25:32
All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

2 corinthians5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad

Well, by that logic, Jesus is a "fanatic."

. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
for this is The Law and The Prophets."
13. "Enter ye in at the Strait Gate:
for Wide is the Gate, and Broad is the Way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be which go in thereat:
14. "Because Strait is the Gate, and Narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life, and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them by their Fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every good tree bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a corrupt tree bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree bring forth Good Fuit.
19. "Every Tree that bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down, and cast into The Fire.
20. "Wherefore by their Fruits ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,'
shall enter into The Kingdom of Heaven;
but he that doeth The Will of my Father Which is in Heaven.
22. "Many will say to me in That Day,
'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy Name?
and in thy Name have cast out Devils?
and in thy Name done many wonderful works?'
23. "And then will I profess unto them,
'I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.'
24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
these Sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a Wise Man,
which built his House upon a Rock:
25. "And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that House;
and it Fell not: for it was founded upon a Rock.
26. "And every one that heareth
these Sayings of mine, and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a Foolish Man,
which built his house upon the Sand:
27. "And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that House;
and it Fell: and Great was The Fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had ended these Sayings,
the People were astonished at his Doctrine:
29. For he Taught them as One having Authority,
and not as the scribes.

SOME people think that they are Christians, but they are wrong.

Jesus gave us clear guidelines, so that we may see for ourselves, what the standards are.

Are you blind, then?

FrancisTony:
Stop twisting bible to suit your heresy - Jesus was talking about baptism being prerequisite for making heaven not the sole requirement.

I laughed when you cited a dictionary to define your meaning of a believer when Bible and Dictionary aren't the same.

Anyways, this another plain bible verse because you have been twisting your own to suit you....

Matthew 7:21

Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my father.

baptism or believe,, it's still the same thing.
mention one place in the bible that define unbelievers as people who commit sin.?
on the contrary, Jesus says in.
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep
let me explain this parable,
before Jesus was crucified he was the door or the way and his disciples were the sheepfold.
becausse the jews believed that judaism is the only religion men can go to God..
But Jesus told them,i am the way,not Judaism.
After he resurrected he founded Christianity.
and Judaism and it's old covenant was rejected.
to climb up some other way is trying to by pass Christianity to God through judaism and other religion.
By so doing, his religion is a thief.
Therefore, Christianity is now the door or the only way to God and we christians are the sheepfold.
so, everybody in Christianity are saved.
everybody in Christianity are believers
dictionary meaning correspond to this bible view.

simplex2:
Isn't it obvious the jews are messing with y'all? They are the special people, the only ones whose salvation is guaranteed, the best and loved tribe, the 144,000 that doesn't even need to accept christ for them to be saved while y'all are asked to workout your own salvation with fear and trembling?

Ignorance is bliss indeed!

they are Jews in Christianity, not Jews in Judaism.
Christians didn't work to get their salvation. those that are working are ignorant.
they don't know they have it already

myproperty:
By believing in Christ alone does not mean you are save.

Matthew 7:20-23King James Version (KJV)

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You are not in heaven, because you are not yet judged.
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done

Matthew 25:32
All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

2 corinthians5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad

all these Matthew you quoted are statements made by Jesus before he was crucified.
there is time for everything.
there was time or era before Christ resurrected (judaism) and there is era after the resurrection where we christians belong.
these two era are not the same.
so, bible is a book of two different religions.
not everyone That called him lord lord means, not all Jesus disciples will see the kingdom of God which is Christianity .because the disciples called him lord lord.
judas Iscariot didn't see it, John the Baptist didn't see it, infact only 120 disciples out of 5000 who eat 5 loaves and fishes saw it.
act 1:15
But all christians are now in Christianity or the kingdom,.far better than disciples because of his crucifixion.
So he wasn't talking to christians when he made that statement.
he was talking to his disciples , infact, there was no Christianity then. Christ has not yet been crucified.
Jesus even told his disciples in
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
that is, strive to hold your believe in me until it is time for me to be crucified and resurrected.
13:25 says When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
so, the time before resurrection is without (outside ) while the time after resurrection is within (inside ).
Matthew 25:32. The separation is between Christianity and other religion. it is done already.
2 cor 5:10, we are always judged at our death. all christians back to life, non Christians to lake of fire, see revelation.
it is appointed for men to die, after that, judgment.

oaroloye:
Well, by that logic, Jesus is a "fanatic."

. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
for this is The Law and The Prophets."
13. "Enter ye in at the Strait Gate:
for Wide is the Gate, and Broad is the Way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be which go in thereat:
14. "Because Strait is the Gate, and Narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life, and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them by their Fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every good tree bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a corrupt tree bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree bring forth Good Fuit.
19. "Every Tree that bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down, and cast into The Fire.
20. "Wherefore by their Fruits ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,'
shall enter into The Kingdom of Heaven;
but he that doeth The Will of my Father Which is in Heaven.
22. "Many will say to me in That Day,
'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy Name?
and in thy Name have cast out Devils?
and in thy Name done many wonderful works?'
23. "And then will I profess unto them,
'I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.'
24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
these Sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a Wise Man,
which built his House upon a Rock:
25. "And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that House;
and it Fell not: for it was founded upon a Rock.
26. "And every one that heareth
these Sayings of mine, and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a Foolish Man,
which built his house upon the Sand:
27. "And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that House;
and it Fell: and Great was The Fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had ended these Sayings,
the People were astonished at his Doctrine:
29. For he Taught them as One having Authority,
and not as the scribes.

SOME people think that they are Christians, but they are wrong.

Jesus gave us clear guidelines, so that we may see for ourselves, what the standards are.

Are you blind, then?

he made all these statement before he was crucified, we are updated with standards after the resurrection which is grace.
Jesus is not a fanatic, Jesus teaches love and love people.
fanatics hate people in disguise of religion

paxonel:
baptism or believe,, it's still the same thing.
mention one place in the bible that define unbelievers as people who commit sin.?
on the contrary, Jesus says in.
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep
let me explain this parable,
before Jesus was crucified he was the door or the way and his disciples were the sheepfold.
becausse the jews believed that judaism is the only religion men can go to God..
But Jesus told them,i am the way,not Judaism.
After he resurrected he founded Christianity.
and Judaism and it's old covenant was rejected.
to climb up some other way is trying to by pass Christianity to God through judaism and other religion.
By so doing, his religion is a thief.
Therefore, Christianity is now the door or the only way to God and we christians are the sheepfold.
so, everybody in Christianity are saved.
everybody in Christianity are believers
dictionary meaning correspond to this bible view.

You haven't provided a plain biblical verse, rather, you are quoting and twisting it to suit you.

James 2:14-16 rightly said faith without work is dead.
Keep teaching heresy and commiting sins. It's none of my business.....

I'm done here.

paxonel:
he made all these statement before he was crucified, we are updated with standards after the resurrection which is grace.
Jesus is not a fanatic, Jesus teaches love and love people.
fanatics hate people in disguise of religion

@Emboldened, Bible said God's words are unchangeable.(Psalm 199: 89). I wonder when it started changing.
Meanwhile, when you make a statement, support it biblically.

What's more fanatical than you teaching heresy that only believing is enough to take christians to heaven, therefore encouraging people to continue stealing, murdering(you are no different from Islamic extremists ), arm-robbering, back-biting etc, with the hope they would make heaven after death.

I have a feeling you are wallowing in a chronic sin, but it's none of my business...

Enjoy yourself!

paxonel:
all these Matthew you quoted are statements made by Jesus before he was crucified.
there is time for everything.
there was time or era before Christ resurrected (judaism) and there is era after the resurrection where we christians belong.
these two era are not the same.
so, bible is a book of two different religions.
not everyone That called him lord lord means, not all Jesus disciples will see the kingdom of God which is Christianity .because the disciples called him lord lord.
judas Iscariot didn't see it, John the Baptist didn't see it, infact only 120 disciples out of 5000 who eat 5 loaves and fishes saw it.
act 1:15
But all christians are now in Christianity or the kingdom,.far better than disciples because of his crucifixion.
So he wasn't talking to christians when he made that statement.
he was talking to his disciples , infact, there was no Christianity then. Christ has not yet been crucified.
Jesus even told his disciples in
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
that is, strive to hold your believe in me until it is time for me to be crucified and resurrected.
13:25 says When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
so, the time before resurrection is without (outside ) while the time after resurrection is within (inside ).
Matthew 25:32. The separation is between Christianity and other religion. it is done already.
2 cor 5:10, we are always judged at our death. all christians back to life, non Christians to lake of fire, see revelation.
it is appointed for men to die, after that, judgment.

What you are labouring to tell me is that not everyone is the same thing as not all Jesus Disciples and that The Kingdom of God is the same thing as Christianity? Oh what an interpretation?

Don't forget that you said by believing in Christ alone you are already saved. Are you also trying to tell me that Judas and John the Baptist did not believe in Christ?

Yes we are always judged at our death. But you said we are already in heaven, which I said no until after judgement, Now those people that are judged to life are going to where since non-christians are going to lake of fire?

When was the separation done? can you show me scripturally or are you assuming it? As this statement also taken place? Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

paxonel:
they are Jews in Christianity, not Jews in Judaism.
Christians didn't work to get their salvation. those that are working are ignorant.
they don't know they have it already

Yea, right!

Philippians 2.12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Now who's the ignorant one?

paxonel:
ahahaaahaaaa.
lol.
you don come again.
the cause is misinterpretations, of the quran and bible.
you see, what is happening in Islam is also happening in Christianity.
the good thing is that, christians don't use their own to kill people

that is true,
it really take intelligence to understand bible.
to me, i don't believe anybody again.
the society is dull

FrancisTony:
You haven't provided a plain biblical verse, rather, you are quoting and twisting it to suit you.

James 2:14-16 rightly said faith without work is dead.
Keep teaching heresy and commiting sins. It's none of my business.....

I'm done here.

point out just one Scripture i twisted and make the correction let's see whether your own will be sensible. you can't.
you are using the word heresy without proving whether there is heresy there or not.
the Bible writers are not mad people.
they made very sensible and logical argument which those whose developed this current doctrine modern day christians are using today refuses to see.
that's why you people read Bible you don't see.
because you abandoned logical reasoning.

FrancisTony:
@Emboldened, Bible said God's words are unchangeable.(Psalm 199: 89). I wonder when it started changing.
Meanwhile, when you make a statement, support it biblically.

What's more fanatical than you teaching heresy that only believing is enough to take christians to heaven, therefore encouraging people to continue stealing, murdering(you are no different from Islamic extremists ), arm-robbering, back-biting etc, with the hope they would make heaven after death.

I have a feeling you are wallowing in a chronic sin, but it's none of my business...

Enjoy yourself!

the African doctrines the missionaries brought need changes, it wasnt based on reasoning, therefore it need change or africans remain in perpetual bondage.
what africans refuses to see is
john6:29, Jesus answered and said unto
them, This is the work of God(the
definite article there is THE WORK,
that means, there is only one work to
do ), that ye believe on him whom he
hath sent.(that's all ).
so, all we need to do is believe only.
go back to your Bible and look at it again.
Paul confirmed this in
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds(works ) of the law.
the law is the 10 commandments, thou shall not kill, thou shall not lie etc
and James says if you break one of these laws you have break it all.
so, there is no way we can be righteous on our own, don't try to be fanatic.
for this reason Christ came to die so that we can be freely justified.
you are telling me i am saying heresy.
this is the same thing Paul said and the they slanderlously say he was saying heresy,teaching people to go and commit sin , just like you doing now to me.
Romans 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
please we are not encouraging people to break the law and commit sin.
we are saying that, now that you know you are freely justified, use your conscience to abstain from sin.
don't wait for any law to guide you.
if we go and commit sin, then we will suffer the consequence like anyone else here on earth.
faith without work is dead (dead in that we will suffer the consequence of our sin, not that we will loose our salvation which was given to us freely ),
God is not human that will give gift to people and later take it back from them.
it takes logical reasoning to understand this thing

myproperty:
What you are labouring to tell me is that not everyone is the same thing as not all Jesus Disciples and that The Kingdom of God is the same thing as Christianity? Oh what an interpretation?

Don't forget that you said by believing in Christ alone you are already saved. Are you also trying to tell me that Judas and John the Baptist did not believe in Christ?

Yes we are always judged at our death. But you said we are already in heaven, which I said no until after judgement, Now those people that are judged to life are going to where since non-christians are going to lake of fire?

When was the separation done? can you show me scripturally or are you assuming it? As this statement also taken place? Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

if you are asked are you saved? i am sure your answer will be yes, you are saved.
why is the question not always like this.
are you going to be saved.
since you think heaven is in the future?
why will oyedepo of winners chapel will say heaven on earth?
don't you think heaven is on earth already?
that heaven is in you.?
think

if you are asked are you saved? i am sure your answer will be yes, you are saved.
why is the question not always like this.
are you going to be saved.
since you think heaven is in the future?
why will oyedepo of winners chapel will say heaven on earth?
don't you think heaven is on earth already?
that heaven is in you.?
think

paxonel:
if you are asked are you saved? i am sure your answer will be yes, you are saved.
why is the question not always like this.
are you going to be saved.
since you think heaven is in the future?
why will oyedepo of winners chapel will say heaven on earth?
don't you think heaven is on earth already?
that heaven is in you.?
think

Many people who are not saved but they ignorantly and cunningly answer they are saved.
Why the question is asked in that context is because I've to be saved to make the kingdom of heaven. I know that heaven is already existing but we must work for it...

So, Oyedopo is now your God? Heaven on Earth? You or him should provide a biblical verse to support it before I agree it's not a blasphemy.

simplex2:
Yea, right!

Philippians 2.12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Now who's the ignorant one?

read the whole philppians 2, the whole chapter again and get the understanding.
for instance, if you look at the preceding verse which is verse 11.
Philippians 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
so,work out your salvation simply means to hold your believe in Christ strong, that he is lord to the glory of the father, so that nobody will deceive you that Jesus is not lord,
that is the only way you will remain saved.
because, at that time they had issues among the brethren that makes them complain, issues that was capable to make some of the brethren disbelieve
and also,because the jews went among the brethren to deceive them that Jesus is not the Messiah.
the is why Paul told them, work out your salvation..
Paul is not a mad person to say in verse 11, that everything tongue should confess that Jesus is lord, then the next chapter in 12, he begin to say go and work so that you will be saved( assuming this is what he meant )
then, the next chapter 13, without telling them what they should work, he begin to say something like
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
it doesn't sound a sensible speech.

FrancisTony:
Many people who are not saved but they ignorantly and cunningly answer they are saved.
Why the question is asked in that context is because I've to be saved to make the kingdom of heaven. I know that heaven is already existing but we must work for it...

So, Oyedopo is now your God? Heaven on Earth? You or him should provide a biblical verse to support it before I agree it's not a blasphemy.

lol
read through all i have posted, you will get the Biblical verse you want, i wont go through the verses again.
if people say they are saved the best you can do is take it by their word or leave it.
you can't judge them that they are not saved by their action.
for everybody including you commit sin too.
if you are saved, you are already in heaven, if you are in heaven, you are already saved.
it's like saying, if you are in class 5, you are already in ss2.
the same thing, But different description

paxonel:
lol
read through all i have posted, you will get the Biblical verse you want, i wont go through the verses again.
if people say they are saved the best you can do is take it by their word or leave it.
you can't judge them that they are not saved by their action.
for everybody including you commit sin too.
if you are saved, you are already in heaven, if you are in heaven, you are already saved.
it's like saying, if you are in class 5, you are already in ss2.
the same thing, But different description

I'm not judging them. Rather, I'm countering your post.

Everyone would be judged according to their deeds - Roman 2:6