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barcanista:
This Thread is by no means declaring Goodluck Jonathan and the PDP as Saints, however, since the opposition can't give us the desired change in attitude, characters and their antecedents, plus with the influx of men of questionable integrity into the opposition, it is safe to assume that we can't get any change from such a group. We can change within the Jonathan led PDP.

As usual, I will ignore every unwarranted attack on my person and won't be drawn into any e-brawl with anyone.

Nice One Mr Barcanista

medamillion:
Funniest thing is that this same OP created this thread, showing (in picture), how Nigerians have suffered under GEJ
https://www.nairaland.com/1983293/photo-speak-events-defined-jonathan
Now you want us to vote for GEJ for another four years.

He also let us know about the Hall of Shame inductees in Jonathan's government
https://www.nairaland.com/2063233/nigerias-hall-shame-2014-inductees

LET's HAVE A CHANGE

Cc barcanista and other pdp warriors to come and change my mind on dis thread written by d almighty Barcanista

barcanista:
That Nigeria need change is not an understatement. Every sector of our economy needs change. But one question is what kind of change do we need as a country and as a people?

1. Change From Lawlessness To Being Law Abiding:
We all want a law abiding society where the rule of law is held supreme irrespective of our emotions. Some of us were shocked when Governor Amaechi and other APC leaders promised to ignore the election tribunal and setup an alternative government should the PDP rig the 2015 election(by their own judgement). According to the words of the Chairman Chief John Oyegun in August 2014,
The APC repeated the same in November 2014 and January 2015. The party till date has not retracted the statement and it makes one worry about the change they preach.

If a party that has been preaching change is making repeated promise of forming illegitimate parallel government just because they believed the election was manipulated to favour the incumbent rather than go to court, then Where is the change? Should we sink deeper into such a state of lawlessness? How justified is it for one to be the complainant, the judge and the executor at the same time? What Nigeria need is not this kind of change where a group of people will publicly declare their own communique above the courts.
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/apc-ups-the-ante-insists-on-parallel-government-if-election-is-rigged-/198345/







1, @ the bolded you are right they should rather go to COURT but my question is,
Has the judicairy system being undermined by President Jonathan?















2. A Change From Undemocratic To Democratic Tenets
After the March 2011 NN24 Debate boycott by the duo of President Jonathan and VP Namadi Sambo, some of us were very mad at the President and his vice for such an inglorious act. In fact, Pastor Tunder Bakare, the CPC's VP Candidate for the election specifically said "PDP's absence is arrogance of impunity". Fast forward to 2015, the APC first announced boycott of the NEDG Organised debate citing bias and partisanship of the promoters, which to the judgement of neutrals is justifiable. However, the APC Presidential Council also announced their boycott of the ChannelsTV/ARISE TV/NPAN organised debate citing excuse that any sane mind will not just accept. The purpose of debate in any election is to tell electorates your programmes, give them reason they should thumb-print for you beyond party affiliation, and an opportunity to prove that you have better policies and programmes when placed side-by-side with the Incumbent and other contestants. I have never seen a sane society where opposition shut their doors behind anything Presidential debate and instead arrogantly opt for "Town Hall Meeting" where fellow party men and allies will be asking already known question. During the Osun guber election, Omisore boycotted the debate with incumbent Aregbesola of APC and it earned him lots of jibes. Political debate is part of democratic process, it is arrogant on the side of a party to ignore this important program.











2, Can we define a democratic process without the constitution?
Is Political debate part of the Nigeria constitution?










3. A Change of The Drivers of Change:
I can recall during the period leading to the APC's Presidential Primary how some of us were routing for General Buhari to emerge flagbearer. Though everyone with his/her own reason, some of us believe that he has the assertiveness of a leader, the incorruptible record(though some think otherwise), and his zeal to serve the country. We had expected him to take charge of his party and lead the change. But what did we get? The same Buhari that debated in 2007 and 2011 due to party decision couldn't debate in 2015. The same Buhari that wouldn't tolerate inciting/treasonable statements as Head of State in 1984-85 kept mute when his party men repeatedly promised Alternative government. The same Buhari that obeyed the law and went to court in 2003, 2007(despite his party's betrayal) and 2011 couldn't offer any word when his party promise to ignore the court and setup an illegal government if by their own judgement the election was rigged. This is a pointer that he is not in charge. The VP candidate Prof. Osinbajo appears more than the Presidential Candidate Buhari. Known for his anti-corruption policies, Buhari once said he will probe past officials only for his party Chairman Mr. John Oyegun to say they have all agreed to let "by-gone be by-gone" but rather face the challenges they will meet. Gen Buhari never countered the Chairman's statement which seem to appear more like a consensus. If General Buhari cannot exert his own influence as Presidential candidate like he did during his ANPP and CPC days, what becomes of him should he get elected President? Will he be an Executive President or a Ceremonial President?










3, @ the bolded, what are the difference btw a presidential candidate contesting on a political party and an Elected Executive President?

A fish rots from the head down and not the opposite.












4. A Change In The Promoters of Change
Looking at the promoters of change, you will find ex-Govs, Senators, ex-VP, ex-PDP National Chairmen, ex-this and ex-that. Men that has been in leadership with little or nothing to show. Not just that, some of the incumbents who are promoters of change also need to change themselves. A government that refuses to disclose invoices to citizen and bluntly refuse to tell how monies were spent cannot be the change as seen in Lagos and Oyo specifically. A government that signed into law FAT pay for themselves and their puppeteers in the name of pension as seen in Kwara, Lagos, Rivers, Gombe, Edo States among others can never be the change. A Government that arrests peaceful LASU protesters who were demanding reduction in tuition and even charged them for "Breach of Public Peace" cannot lead a federal government where protest is bound. What we are saying is that the Movers of Change lead by example. Mere rhetoric is not enough. Change Agents in any democracy are not known for shielding friends who has allegation on their neck, rather they encourage the friends to go prove their innocence. These are the kind of change promoters we need. Not the ones that accused the President of shielding Dizani and Abba Moro while they themselves shielded Admiral Nyako before he went exile.

5. A Change Backed By Rule of Law
At the peak of Buhari's Certificate brohuaha, the APC and INEC had told whoever is unsatisfied with the document submitted by General Buhari to go to court, which is the rightful thing to do. Some people went to court which is the rightful thing to do. However, the same APC in January 29 alleged that PDP has bought a judge to disqualify Buhari. In the words of Alhaji Shehu Garba the Buhari's Campaign Spokesman

This is not only pathetic but unacceptable. That statement is a premeditated one that is capable of causing anarchy should the court grant the prayers of the litigants. I believe it is lawful and democratic for the APC to prepare for their defence and not heat up the polity. Nobody is above the law. Judgement could go either way as no one institute a lawsuit with hope of losing. We don't need this kind of change.




5, pls see no 1 question





6. A Change In The Attitude of The Followers of "Change"
I believe that the followers of the change train also need change themselves. In a democracy, criticism of party politics when not in consonant with ones personal judgement should be encouraged, while thoughtful engagement with those of dissenting views should be welcomed. As humans, we are wired to view things from each our own perspective. Rather than sweep pertinent issues, followers of change train have the responsibility of seeing that things are done right by leaders and not absorb everything hook line and sinker "trusting in the judgement of party chiefs"(which could be flawed). Change followers are to show the people in the other divide why they believe there is need for change and not a "Accept change or get lost" kind of attitude. Change followers need to get influenced by the change they preach before expecting others to sign-up with their change. A Change follower that sees nothing wrong with the action of Lagos State House of Assembly when they adjourned parliamentary sitting just to go to Bourdillon Road to pledge absolute loyalty to an unelected Jagaban is not sincere about change. Change cannot exist in vacuum, it does not just come when someone assumes power, it stems from within.

6, You're on point on @ the bolded

the more the phoolish ops try to sound logical, the more we see through the bloody two faced, stomach infrastructure seeking low life. idi0t like the son of a dog is why the hellhole will continue to be a hellhole till thy kingdom come.

Kolade354:
sorry for d insult bt we cant have a perfect opposition when the ruling party is not setting standard...........Our democracy has not grow enough to that level if you give me 20 atrocity of APC another person will give you 50 atrocity of PDP. We the young generation shld step up cos it is the smae pple we have in political caucus.................Assuming a pdpd govenor who has used 8 yrs in govt house is now contesting for senate again.............Senate president david mark is now going for the 5 time in a row........Come march 28 am voting for buhari cos am preparing for the worst cos I have seen the worse for the past 16 years of pdp-led govt.

@bolded..This is nothing but the truth. Even let a perfect opposition fall from heaven with Jesus Christ as their Navigator and his 11 faithful disciples as serving governors, These double-faced people would still have one or two things to say about them. Let them keeping waiting for the perfect opposition while we keep Marching for Buhari. Buhari, Osinbajo, Fashola, Rochas, Oshiomole, Amosun et. al are full blooded APC and yet these people will not still stop whining. Human being can never be pleased.

richybanky:
Cc barcanista and other pdp warriors to come and change my mind on dis thread written by d almighty Barcanista

Stop calling those people blinded and brainwashed by TAN adverts on Tv.

medamillion:
Stop calling those people blinded and brainwashed by TAN adverts on Tv.

Lols.. Av decided long time ago and nothing can change my mind again

#SaiBuhari

richybanky:
Lols.. Av decided long time ago and nothing can change my mind again

#SaiBuhari

nothing is stopping Jonathan......if una do pass una power, we go postpone election again

lekkie073:
nothing is stopping Jonathan......if una do pass una power, we go postpone election again

Bros mi even if den postpone am till next year e no do anything for me

forgiveness:
6, You're on point on @ the bolded

Thank you jor!

Choi! Omo see something, aburo Fani Kayode leleyi o!

OrlandoOwoh:
My guy don dey speak Spanish. Abi na Portuguese? Descartes, na which language be this?
@Topic: If there is a change that is going to stop our money from being stolen and our country getting back its dignity in the international community, those alone will make me continue to yearn for it. Buhari represents that change.

...That's spanish"Simply means the real change we need"

Descartes:
...That's spanish"Simply means the real change we need"

Thank you o!!!!

barcanista:
Thank you o!!!!

You are welcome. I see your ex-comrades dancing around the thread with their usual "Argumentum ad Baculum" without putting forward a befitting argument to dissolve the facts in your post. I laugh them in Cantonese...

Descartes:
...That's spanish"Simply means the real change we need"

Thank you.

OrlandoOwoh:
Thank you.

You are welcome.

barcanista:
Saraki, APC Chieftain has been 8 Years Governor(flop), Now a Senator and is the Kwara Central APC Candidate.

George Akume a Senator is the Benue Candidate of APC and a Former 8 Years Governor. Same with Danjuma Goje, Abdulahi Adamu and several others. Not limited to Timpre Sylva, a flop Governor and APC Senate Candidate. What about former PDP Chairman Barnabas Germade who is APC Senate Candidate in Benue? Like I said, change does not exist in a vacuum. What about Rabiu Kwankwaso?

I'm glad you're saying all these things. You're asserting that PDP and APC are almost similar. Many Nigerians have already made their decision, I voted for Jonathan not because I was sure he was the change but because I wanted to test him, same as most Nigerians, he failed (you asserted this in your former threads). So now I'm voting Buhari to test him too...nothing i will read can change my mind, same as most Nigerians. One can't just vote for PDP again with all their failures.

This barcanista don enter one chance. I bet you 99% of posters did not read the entire write-up. GEJ'S supporters are not intelligent enough to understand your write-ups so you will never get the same type of corroboration you got when supporting Buhari. Enjoy the PDP loot while it lasts. Like I predicted, you are fading into obscurity

Descartes:
You are welcome. I see your ex-comrades dancing around the thread with their usual "Argumentum ad Baculum" without putting forward a befitting argument to dissolve the facts in your post. I laugh them in Cantonese...

Maybe you should teach me your cantonese language

barcanista:
Maybe you should teach me your cantonese language

It's native language exclusively for Hong Kong citizens and some part of chinese province. Very hard to learn and understand. And there is always an interference between the language and the English when a native Hong Kong speaks.ie "problem of English as a second language".

Descartes:
It's native language exclusively for Hong Kong citizens and some part of chinese province. Very hard to learn and understand. And there is always an interference between the language and the English when a native Hong Kong speaks.ie "problem of English as a second language".

Thanks for educating us..

barcanista:
Thanks for educating us..

We are all here to learn from one another.