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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 7:59pm On Mar 11, 2015
saengine:
Enjoy your mental health issues. Have fun with the voices in your head.

A certain military has lets say 1000 old vehicles. They battle for months, even years to defeat a certain enemy.
100 brand new, out the box vehicles come in to help. And the generals decide to withdraw the 1000 and fight with the 100.

That makes perfect, crystal clear sense. Nigerian sense grin grin grin

As i said. The proof is in your head, and head alone.
between me and you, who sounds like who's developed mental health issues.

100 in your empty head? voicea whispering somethings to you? grin.

this guy is helariousgrin.

like i said, beg me to enlighten you cos you seem very ignorant
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 8:01pm On Mar 11, 2015
saengine:
Just mechanics.....let me make this nice and big for you so you can see it better. You are free to ignore this and try make some other useless point.


According to a Daily Maverick source, Lotz was working for a private security company called Pilgrim Africa Ltd. According to the company overview on Bloomberg, “Pilgrims Africa Limited provides security services in Nigeria. It provides armed escort teams to protect people from militant and criminal action. The company was founded in 2008 and is headquartered in Lagos, Nigeria.”



There is a significant, albeit controversial, South African presence in north-eastern Nigeria. The Nigerian army is working with private security companies who employ South Africans, ostensibly to train their troops in counter-terrorist activities.


In another, as-yet unverified report of a friendly fire incident in the Mafa Local Government Area of Borno State, Nigerian forces mistakenly opened fire on a convoy transporting foreign security contractors. Two foreigners, one black and once Caucasian, were killed in the incident. It seems likely that this incident and the Lotz incident are the same.
and this proves what exactly?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:04pm On Mar 11, 2015
Msauza:
You are such a mudafaka. SA former soldiers are experts in every field. Mechanics, Battle, Aviation, etc. They are trained to do everything in one.
The only South African ex-soldier so far said to be, NOT conformed to be in Nigeria, is a truck repair mechanic we are using as casual labour to repair SAMIL trucks for our army.

Funny how Nigeria uses you Southies as automobile casual labour mechanics.

I should be thinking of employing one of Jacob Zuma's daughters as my private cook, casual house cleaner, and 'bedroom service' labourer soon. Afrerall we Nigerians can easily afford to buy South Africa's best workers so cheaply and use them for our lowest esteem jobs
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:06pm On Mar 11, 2015
stillchris:
between me and you, who sounds like who's developed mental health issues.

100 in your empty head? voicea whispering somethings to you? grin.

this guy is helariousgrin.

like i said, beg me to enlighten you cos you seem very ignorant
You see the problem with being educated under a tree is that the mind cant grasp certain concepts.
What I did there was to make an example....for you to understand it better small boy.

That's why I specifically started with "a certain military has lets say 1000". It is then up to the creative part of your brain
to fill in the blanks and add information as you read along. But since you have failed at that...let me be direct.

The Nigerian army does not have more new than old vehicles in it's inventory. Most are old, some are new.
So the only way for you to only use new vehicles on the front line will mean very a drastic decline in equipment facing Boko Haram.

So you are chasing BK with less men, and far less equipment. Which is not true. You are throwing everything you have at them wink grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:07pm On Mar 11, 2015
Msauza:
Natie van Coller
Leon Lotz an ex-koevoet died in in Nigeria after a
contact with Boko Harim on monday night. I've
known Lotz and he was one of the true characters
of the SWA conflict. R.I.P my Brother in Arms.
You'll be missed but your legend will always
linger.


https://m.facebook.com/boerekrisisaksie/photos/pb.116298045063416.-2207520000.1426095134./1108789915814219/?type=1
Facebook is not a reliable source, I too can post any false claim there....like I slept with Miss South Africa beauty queen 2014 yesterday in my hotel room
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:15pm On Mar 11, 2015
saengine:
http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-03-11-fighting-boko-haram-south-african-mercenary-killed-in-friendly-fire/#.VQCJUtWUft8

Digest this article as you so wish

Fighting Boko Haram: South African mercenary killed in friendly fire

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/images/resized_images/706x410q70sa-mercenary-dies-in-nigeria.jpg

The first South African has been killed in north-eastern Nigeria, where he was participating in the fight against Boko Haram. Leon Lotz, an apartheid-era Koevoet operative, was reportedly killed in a friendly fire incident when a Nigerian tank destroyed the wrong target. By SIMON ALLISON



According to sources in Nigeria, the first South African involved in the fight against Boko Haram has been killed. Leon Lotz, a former South African Defence Force Koevoet operator turned private security contractor, died in a friendly-fire incident on March 9 when a Nigerian tank opened fire on his convoy. The incident occurred in Nigeria’s Borno State, in the north-east of the country, near Boko Haram territory.


Lotz is reportedly from KwaZulu-Natal, and was involved in the support and maintenance of vehicles used by the Nigerian army in their ongoing offensive against Boko Haram.

There is a significant, albeit controversial, South African presence in north-eastern Nigeria. The Nigerian army is working with private security companies who employ South Africans, ostensibly to train their troops in counter-terrorist activities. In January, News24 reported that former SADF soldiers formed the core of a multinational team of private military experts that were en route to Nigeria.

Communication between these private security contractors and the Nigerian army is thought to be very poor, which perhaps explains the confusion leading to Lotz’s death.

In another, as-yet unverified report of a friendly fire incident in the Mafa Local Government Area of Borno State, Nigerian forces mistakenly opened fire on a convoy transporting foreign security contractors. Two foreigners, one black and once Caucasian, were killed in the incident. It seems likely that this incident and the Lotz incident are the same.


According to a Daily Maverick source, Lotz was working for a private security company called Pilgrim Africa Ltd. According to the company overview on Bloomberg, “Pilgrims Africa Limited provides security services in Nigeria. It provides armed escort teams to protect people from militant and criminal action. The company was founded in 2008 and is headquartered in Lagos, Nigeria.”


Pilgrim Africa is owned by Cobus Claassens, a former member of infamous mercenary outfit Executive Outcomes. In December, on the subject of dealing with war crimes internationally, Claassens tweeted: “The UN needs Executive Outcomes to be resurrected. We knew how to deal with such rebels!!”
Your own source says the South African ex-soldier ended up in Nigeria as a mere truck mechanic. Sorry o cheesycheesy

"Lotz is reportedly from KwaZulu-Natal, and was involved in the support and maintenance of vehicles used by the Nigerian army in their ongoing offensive against Boko Haram."

May our South African immigrant mechanics soul R.I.P. amen.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:22pm On Mar 11, 2015
stillchris:
and i see how you unintelligently avoided boldening this partgrin.

Lotz is reportedly from KwaZulu-Natal, and was involved in the support and maintenance of vehicles used by the Nigerian army in their ongoing offensive against Boko Haram.

do you think Nigerians lack comprehension like you southiesgrin.
The unlucky Southie bolded all other fonts in the story and left that single paragraph in light fonts, praying hard that Nigerians will not see it by reading with one eye closed like a pirate of the caribbeans
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:25pm On Mar 11, 2015
agaugust:
Your own source says the South African ex-soldier ended up in Nigeria as a mere truck mechanic. Sorry o cheesycheesy

"Lotz is reportedly from KwaZulu-Natal, and was involved in the support and maintenance of vehicles used by the Nigerian army in their ongoing offensive against Boko Haram."

May our South African immigrant mechanics soul R.I.P. amen.

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Just like you have not provided the link to the pics we are waiting for, you will also ignore the juice of the article.
ARMED SOUTH AFRICANS ARE IN NIGERIA, TRAINING YOUR MILITARY IN COUNTER TERRORISM.

Does Nigeria not have it's own "mere truck mechanics"? Why was he, and the company he worked for needed to
"merely fix trucks" when you can do it on your own? Did your tank commander mistake his spanner for an RPG?

Or was he, as mercenaries are, in a hot conflict zone. With other members from his company, and other mercenaries.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 8:26pm On Mar 11, 2015
saengine:
You see the problem with being educated under a tree is that the mind cant grasp certain concepts.
What I did there was to make an example....for you to understand it better small boy.

That's why I specifically started with "a certain military has lets say 1000". It is then up to the creative part of your brain
to fill in the blanks and add information as you read along. But since you have failed at that...let me be direct.

The Nigerian army does not have more new than old vehicles in it's inventory. Most are old, some are new.
So the only way for you to only use new vehicles on the front line will mean very a drastic decline in equipment facing Boko Haram.

So you are chasing BK with less men, and far less equipment. Which is not true. You are throwing everything you have at them wink grin
bwahahahahaha... he says i'm nervous. but he's the one typing long letters of emptinessgrin. i won't bother wasting time with a kindergarteen concept.

cool story though. now beg me and i'll enlighten you
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:27pm On Mar 11, 2015
agaugust:
The unlucky Southie bolded all other fonts in the story and left that single paragraph in light fonts, praying hard that Nigerians will not see it by reading with one eye closed like a pirate of the caribbeans
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Your unlucky Nigerian only showed us that paragraph and left the whole article. Praying hard that someone wouldn't post the whole article here.

P.S we are still waiting....where did you get these pics?

https://i1.wp.com/oi59.tinypic.com/b4vn9f.jpg
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:31pm On Mar 11, 2015
agaugust:
He was a motor mechanic for a South African company that had office in Nigeria since about 8 years ago before any war called Boko Haram insurgency ever started.

You can say MTN staff too are South African mercenaries because they have an office in Nigeria.

Mumu cheesycheesy
The same way you are a toilet cleaner in lagos state for Buhari

You must think I'm a fcvvktart like the rest of your naija boys who argue for the sake of foolish pride and no substance.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 8:32pm On Mar 11, 2015
saengine:
Your unlucky Nigerian only showed us that paragraph and left the whole article. Praying hard that someone wouldn't post the whole article here.

P.S we are still waiting....where did you get these pics?

https://i1.wp.com/oi59.tinypic.com/b4vn9f.jpg
and the whole article proves what exactly? com'on man, try to keep up.

that small paragraph already explains everything. mechanics is what your ex koevets have been reduced to. i won't blame them though. they need moneygrin.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:33pm On Mar 11, 2015
saengine:
Just like you have not provided the link to the pics we are waiting for, you will also ignore the juice of the article.
ARMED SOUTH AFRICANS ARE IN NIGERIA, TRAINING YOUR MILITARY IN COUNTER TERRORISM.

Does Nigeria not have it's own "mere truck mechanics"? Why was he, and the company he worked for needed to
"merely fix trucks" when you can do it on your own? Did your tank commander mistake his spanner for an RPG?

Or was he, as mercenaries are, in a hot conflict zone. With other members from his company, and other mercenaries.
Nigeria just bought SAMIL transport trucks from South Africa, we will use a mechanic from source who knows the vehicle engine. We prefer the white southies to be our laborer than you blacks who have empty coconut heads thinking that your casual labor mechanic is flying F-7 jet as a pilot cheesycheesy
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 8:33pm On Mar 11, 2015
DictatorZAR:
The same way you are a toilet cleaner in lagos state for Buhari

You must think I'm a fcvvktart like the rest of your naija boys who argue for the sake of foolish pride and no substance.
and how does your cry disproof the fact that he was just a mechanicgrin.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 8:34pm On Mar 11, 2015
stillchris:
and the whole article proves what exactly? com'on man, try to keep up.

that small paragraph already explains everything. mechanics is what your ex koevets have been reduced to. i won't blame them though. they need moneygrin.
aha...

"There is a significant, albeit controversial, South African presence in north-eastern Nigeria. The Nigerian army is working with private security companies who employ South Africans, ostensibly to train their troops in counter-terrorist activities."

But yeah....lets all skip that part kiss
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 8:35pm On Mar 11, 2015
agaugust:
Nigeria just bought SAMIL trucks from South Africa, we will use a mechanic from source who knows the vehicle engine. We prefer the white southies to be our laborer than you blacks who have empty coconut heads thinking that your casual labor mechanic is flying F-7 jet as a pilot cheesycheesy
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we also bought some new MRAPS that are on frontlines. i hope he didn't die changing tiresgrin.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 8:38pm On Mar 11, 2015
saengine:
aha...

"There is a significant, albeit controversial, South African presence in north-eastern Nigeria. The Nigerian army is working with private security companies who employ South Africans, ostensibly to train their troops in counter-terrorist activities."

But yeah....lets all skip that part kiss
and one of them just died while changing tires. this proves nothing beyond my comment. they training on new equipments. not fighting or flying jets like you homos have been claiming
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:45pm On Mar 11, 2015
stillchris:
and how does your cry disproof the fact that he was just a mechanicgrin.
Cry or laughter my beloved countryman provided a service to a disorganized incompetent Nigerian army who couldn't protect and service there own equipment.

So much for the we are the best in africa shiiiiit talk. Giants in a small overpopulated country who cannot service there own fleet of dusty military equipment.

gringringringringrin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 8:52pm On Mar 11, 2015
saengine:
aha...

"There is a significant, albeit controversial, South African presence in north-eastern Nigeria. The Nigerian army is working with private security companies who employ South Africans, OSTENSIBLY to train their troops in counter-terrorist activities."

But yeah....lets all skip that part kiss
OSTENSIBLY to train Nigerian troops....do you know the meaning of that word ostensibly? Means allegedly, may not actually be, purportedly, supposedly...etc

The article news reporter is just telling you that despite all rumours of South African mercenaries in Nigeria, all he could find are South African ex-soldiers reduced to mere mechanics by Nigerian army....ah Naija army una wickedo ! See how una downgrade a whole South African ex-special forces man to casual labourer all because of unemployment crisis in South Africa....
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 9:52pm On Mar 11, 2015
agaugust:
Towns Infiltrated and taken from defenseless civilians in very remote areas.

I suppose Rhino poachers captured Kruger park from South African army
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what is the role of the Nigerian armed forces? Isn't to protect the people and Sovereignty of Nigeria?

Your military was beaten out of towns.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 10:00pm On Mar 11, 2015
agaugust:
Exactly the reason why submarines lose battle today, the anti-toroedo countermeasures of the surface ships defeats the torpedoes guidance system and kills the toroedo with false targets....it's like flares and chaff deception countermeasures in air to air combat.

NATO ships will waste South African torpedoes and eventually kill your submarine, once a sub fires torpedo it's position is known to the ship and ASW helicopters hunt and kill it.

GAME OVER
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How?

Cause it is guided by wire from the submarine receiving updates.

You think flares and chaff are magic? Well modern missiles can differentiate.

How is it position known? Your problem is that you think your fantasies are a reality.

You think to attack subs have use their periscopes, NO they dive deeper and only attack when the odds are in their favour.

Hunting a submarine is no child's play.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 10:03pm On Mar 11, 2015
Henry120:
You cannot capture what you did not lose. COIN operations are going on in those areas to clear them of terrorists.
Nigeria lost towns to BH.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 10:40pm On Mar 11, 2015
Wow!

I just saw why Nigerian Generals have to lead their men from the front. undecided undecided

PURE REBELS!

They'd be eaten if they ever went against a professional army.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 10:58pm On Mar 11, 2015
MikeCZAR:
Wow!

I just saw why Nigerian Generals have to lead their men from the front. undecided undecided

PURE REBELS!

They'd be eaten if they ever went against a professional army.
That's a celebratory video. Nothing wrong with it.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:02pm On Mar 11, 2015
saengine:
aha...

"There is a significant, albeit controversial, South African presence in north-eastern Nigeria. The Nigerian army is working with private security companies who employ South Africans, ostensibly to train their troops in counter-terrorist activities."

But yeah....lets all skip that part kiss
they're not flying F7s and alpha jets anymore, they're 'ostensibly' training now? chai!

this soldiers are super men, mheeeeeeeen
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:20pm On Mar 11, 2015
Henry120:
That's a celebratory video. Nothing wrong with it.
No, they engaging something.

PURE REBELS!

Celebrating what? In Nigeria you celebrating by setting things alight and arguing?

F..king unprofessional busta..rds.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:20pm On Mar 11, 2015
EVarn:
the story of these saffers is like that of an albino peacock that mistakes itself for a ferret.
They believe themselves wise,but they are the big f00ls with gaping anus.
lol. They want to make nairaland a full time career by peddling lies and controversies.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust:
MikeCZAR:
How?

Cause it is guided by wire from the submarine receiving updates.

You think flares and chaff are magic? Well modern missiles can differentiate.

How is it position known? Your problem is that you think your fantasies are a reality.

You think to attack subs have use their periscopes, NO they dive deeper and only attack when the odds are in their favour.

Hunting a submarine is no child's play.
Wire guided torpedoes? In your village? They are very rare in modern times, and South Africa uses homing torpedoes with fire and forget guidance not wire cable types. cheesycheesy

Contralto V will defeat the best torpedoes in this world
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:27pm On Mar 11, 2015
MikeCZAR:
what is the role of the Nigerian armed forces? Isn't to protect the people and Sovereignty of Nigeria?

Your military was beaten out of towns.
Who cares? As long as we win the war, who cares about old battles? The final victor is the final WINNER and that is Nigeria.

Nigeria lost towns to Biafra in some battles, but Biafra lost the whole war at the end.

You read Bible? See book of wisdom in proverbs saying "Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof."
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:33pm On Mar 11, 2015
DictatorZAR:
Cry or laughter my beloved countryman provided a service to a disorganized incompetent Nigerian army who couldn't protect and service there own equipment.

So much for the we are the best in africa shiiiiit talk. Giants in a small overpopulated country who cannot service there own fleet of dusty military equipment.

gringringringringrin
My Nigerian countryman medical doctors are saving the lives of your HIV sick South African half-wits. So much for your claims of better universities than Nigeria, you cannot graduate enough doctors from your 50 million man population.....most of you are illiterate black parasites permanently on free food and cash hand out list of ANC government.

Work you will not work, school you will not go, so which one now? Nation of wasted generations cheesycheesy
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:39pm On Mar 11, 2015
MikeCZAR:
No, they engaging something.

PURE REBELS!

Celebrating what? In Nigeria you celebrating by setting things alight and arguing?

F..king unprofessional busta..rds.
Just like the North-Africans, culturally, northern Nigerians also celebrate by firing weapons in the air.

No fuss. It's tradition.
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