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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 6:46am On Mar 12, 2015
Patchesagain:
First, its around 49

Second, land ownership is irrelevant to the confines of this debate, as is crime.

Yet again, when the pathetic record of your military is pointed out, you resort to off topic posting.

Reminder: Nigerian Army allowed Boko Haram to build a Caliphate the size of Belgium, kill 4000 Nigerian civilians and make 1,5 million people homeless.
Nah: Boko killed more than 8000 civilians.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 6:53am On Mar 12, 2015
Henry120:
Actually they aren't. Your koevet operator turned mechanic worked for a Nigerian company.
The. company is not Nigerian, it is founded by South African, a former Executive Outcomes operator who hires mercenaries from SA and base them in Nigeria where their services are needed. The is no law in Nigeria which bans mercenaries from helping any party in conflict, hence the headquarters are based in Lagos.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m):
agaugust:
My Nigerian countryman medical doctors are saving the lives of your HIV sick South African half-wits. So much for your claims of better universities than Nigeria, you cannot graduate enough doctors from your 50 million man population.....most of you are illiterate black parasites permanently on free food and cash hand out list of ANC government.

Work you will not work, school you will not go, so which one now? Nation of wasted generations cheesycheesy
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Look to what this dummy is saying. SA has enough doctors for its 50 million population. The only problem is that they are in conflict with the remuneration that the public hospital doctors get. They want to be paid more with better benefits, like cellphone allowances, car allowance, housing, entertainment, etc. Hence after they graduate they only do their community service at public hospital and thereafter emback into private service either establishing their own or working for top class SA private health facilities which pay competitive salaries. It is here you will never see incompetent Nigerian doctors and others.


However, incompetent Nigerian doctors who cannot do some certain medical procedures, like major surgeries, Organ transplants, like heart, liver and kidneys are employed at public hospitals earning peanuts. All that they could do according to SA medical law are circumcisions, lacerations, stitching wounds, Checking high blood pressure, blood tests etc.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 7:09am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
Do mechanics go to war zones?..
another dumb question from our resident retarrdgrin.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m):
stillchris:
another dumb question from our resident retarrdgrin.
Answer the question. Do mechanics also go to war zones?


Fixing military vehicles was just secondary functions of Mr Lots from his primary mercenary functions.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 7:36am On Mar 12, 2015
PROOF STARING TO COME IN OF SOUTH AFRICANS FIGHTING BOKO HARAM

A private South African para-military specialist has been killed in an attack by Nigerian Islamic terrorist group Boko Haram.

Former Koevoet member Leon Lotz, of KwaZulu-Natal, is among scores of former South African security force personnel helping to train government and allied forces to fight the insurgents.

The group of which Lotz was a member is believed to be contracted to the Nigerian government. It does not have the support of the South African government.

Lotz and five others, including another foreigner and four Nigerian soldiers, were killed on Monday near Maiduguri.

The nationality of the other foreigner is not known.

Maiduguri, the capital of Nigeria's north-eastern Borno state, has been the scene of intense fighting between Boko Haram and pro-government militias fighting alongside government troops.

About 80 South Africans are providing assistance to the forces engaging Boko Haram in the form of advice on military tactics and intelligence gathering, and training in the use of heavy weapons and advanced fighting techniques.

Lotz's neice, Vanes-Mari du Toit, posted on Facebook: "What an absolute honour knowing you. You fought for what was right, always had the best advice.

"Today I say goodbye to a legend of an uncle, who passed away in battle fighting Boko Haram ... Rus sag, Oom (Rest softly, Uncle)."
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/03/12/former-sa-koevoet-fighter-killed-in-battle-against-boko-haram
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 7:38am On Mar 12, 2015
SANDF

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 7:48am On Mar 12, 2015
Thiza:
PROOF STARING TO COME IN OF SOUTH AFRICANS FIGHTING BOKO HARAM

A private South African para-military specialist has been killed in an attack by Nigerian Islamic terrorist group Boko Haram.

Former Koevoet member Leon Lotz, of KwaZulu-Natal, is among scores of former South African security force personnel helping to train government and allied forces to fight the insurgents.

The group of which Lotz was a member is believed to be contracted to the Nigerian government. It does not have the support of the South African government.

Lotz and five others, including another foreigner and four Nigerian soldiers, were killed on Monday near Maiduguri.

The nationality of the other foreigner is not known.

Maiduguri, the capital of Nigeria's north-eastern Borno state, has been the scene of intense fighting between Boko Haram and pro-government militias fighting alongside government troops.

About 80 South Africans are providing assistance to the forces engaging Boko Haram in the form of advice on military tactics and intelligence gathering, and training in the use of heavy weapons and advanced fighting techniques.

Lotz's neice, Vanes-Mari du Toit, posted on Facebook: "What an absolute honour knowing you. You fought for what was right, always had the best advice.

"Today I say goodbye to a legend of an uncle, who passed away in battle fighting Boko Haram ... Rus sag, Oom (Rest softly, Uncle)."
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/03/12/former-sa-koevoet-fighter-killed-in-battle-against-boko-haram
The news this morning stated that the other foreign soldier is either a Chadian or Niger soldier, but he was black. They were killed from friendly fire by high rate of incompetency amongst Nigerian soldiers.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m):
agaugust:
You have no new jam proof torpedoes, you have the old ones that came with your bank loan submarines and more modern versions are now in the market. Contralto V does not even jam torpedoes, it misleads them by producing many other targets under the ship.

NATO will sink Southie subs in 10 minutes cheesy cheesy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49HuxLVT9QM
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As if Nigeria did not buy their recent procurements with a loan. Bwahahahahaah…
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 8:30am On Mar 12, 2015
Where are these monkeys who flatly denied that there are South Africans training Nigerian Military in Nigeria? Where are those monkeys? Come out.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 8:45am On Mar 12, 2015
[size=19] REVA MILITARY VEHICLES IN NIGERIA.[/size]

Does it remind you of Something.


https://beegeagle./page/2/

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:11am On Mar 12, 2015
Patchesagain:
First, its around 49

Second, land ownership is irrelevant to the confines of this debate, as is crime.

Yet again, when the pathetic record of your military is pointed out, you resort to off topic posting.

Reminder: Nigerian Army allowed Boko Haram to build a Caliphate the size of Belgium, kill 4000 Nigerian civilians and make 1,5 million people homeless.
the Medical Research Council puts the figure at 32 482. The MRC' s estimate is close to the figure from the Department of Home Affairs, which is 30 068. This is a third more murders than reported by the SAPS, a discrepancy of more than 10 000 murders.
 
So, while the Democratic Alliance leaflet "Fight Crime" puts the average daily murder rate in South Africa at 55 murders every day, the Medical Research Council's statistics reveal that 89 murders are committed, on average, every day in South Africa.



http://rense.com/general39/reose.htm


This is your sh1thole of a country. You have absolutely no insurgency, yet 89 people are murdered everyday in South-Africa.

89 people!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:19am On Mar 12, 2015
Patchesagain:
Fact remains: South Africans are turning a profit in Nigeria.
Fact is your celebrated koevet operator, could only get a job working for a Nigerian company as a menial mechanic.


Pathetic!

The uselessness of South-Africa in full glare.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:20am On Mar 12, 2015
The stu.pid henry knew about Nigeria's supposed procurement of REVA vehicles, but when photos of SA mercenaries came through, he hid his face in the sand and persistently denied SA mercenary involvement. Here is his comment from beegeagle.



Henry on March 9, 2015 at
4:20 pm
This is great news. The IFV
must have been the 23mm
MTLB.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:25am On Mar 12, 2015
Henry120:
Fact is your celebrated koevet operator, could only get a job working for a Nigerian company as a menial mechanic.


Pathetic!

The uselessness of South-Africa in full glare.
The man was a mercenary and doing mercenary duties was his job. He did it in Afghanistan, Iraq, Sierra Leone, Angola, Indonesia, etc. He earned a lot of money from it and Nigeria was no way better from what he was doing, he merely wanted to milk it out of its oil money.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:28am On Mar 12, 2015
Patchesagain:
First, its around 49

Second, land ownership is irrelevant to the confines of this debate, as is crime.

Yet again, when the pathetic record of your military is pointed out, you resort to off topic posting.

Reminder: Nigerian Army allowed Boko Haram to build a Caliphate the size of Belgium, kill 4000 Nigerian civilians and make 1,5 million people homeless.
According to your Doctors, it's 89 murdered a day.

Land ownership is just as relevant as you clicking on this page.

friendly reminder: virtually all black South-Africans can be rightly categorised as internally displaced people.


Once again when the pathetic state of South-Africa is pointed out in relation to the topic, you retort to making baseless accusations. Typical.

Reminder: 32,485 South-Africans were murdered in 2014, another 32,485 would be murdered this year.

Do not forget, this country doesn't have any active insurgency.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 9:32am On Mar 12, 2015
Patchesagain:
Apparently Nigeria is so useless it is unable to train mechanics and thus has to import them.

Henry120, what we are alluding to is that it is illegal for south africans to perform combat roles in other countries.

Thus, he was hired as a "mechanic" (its a cover einstein) - this is very likely as Koevoet didnt produce mechanics, its produced COIN operators who specialized in training indigenous peoples for COIN roles.
Sad the pathetic state of South-Africa has turned your koevoet operator into a common tire changer in Nigeria.

Very sad.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:32am On Mar 12, 2015
Henry120:
the Medical Research Council puts the figure at 32 482. The MRC' s estimate is close to the figure from the Department of Home Affairs, which is 30 068. This is a third more murders than reported by the SAPS, a discrepancy of more than 10 000 murders.
 
So, while the Democratic Alliance leaflet "Fight Crime" puts the average daily murder rate in South Africa at 55 murders every day, the Medical Research Council's statistics reveal that 89 murders are committed, on average, every day in South Africa.



http://rense.com/general39/reose.htm


This is your sh1thole of a country. You have absolutely no insurgency, yet 89 people are murdered everyday in South-Africa.

89 people!
The people of SA do not live under devastation. Nigerian citizens are. It will not help you to go on and on about murder rate of SA. There are many people who were killed in Nigeria than in SA, excluding Boko Haram victims. We have shown it here with statistics, proven and tested. The only part that works negatively against SA is that murders committed were far more in stats in relation to total population.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:37am On Mar 12, 2015
Henry120:
Sad the pathetic state of South-Africa has turned your koevoet operator into a common tire changer in Nigeria.

Very sad.
Mr Lotz was not just an ordinary mechanic, he was an operator who among his duties could as well fix scrappy military vehicles and give them life. Such people with that skill are much needed in military.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:41am On Mar 12, 2015
Henry120:
According to your Doctors, it's 89 murdered a day.

Land ownership is just as relevant as you clicking on this page.

friendly reminder: virtually all black South-Africans can be rightly categorised as internally displaced people.


Once again when the pathetic state of South-Africa is pointed out in relation to the topic, you retort to making baseless accusations. Typical.

Reminder: 32,485 South-Africans were murdered in 2014, another 32,485 would be murdered this year.

Do not forget, this country doesn't have any active insurgency.
Total number of murders in Nigeria is double that of SA, that is excluding Boko haram victims.



http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:44am On Mar 12, 2015
NIGERIA DOES NOT EVEN HAVE RELIABLE DATA FOR HOMICIDE IN TERMS OF WORLD BANK.


http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 9:53am On Mar 12, 2015
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 10:38am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
Mr Lotz was not just an ordinary mechanic, he was an operator who among his duties could as well fix scrappy military vehicles and give them life. Such people with that skill are much needed in military.
yes. and he did a good job changing the tires of our reeva MRAPs. still a mechanic.

thanks for acknowledging that fact for us.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 10:51am On Mar 12, 2015
stillchris:
yes. and he did a good job changing the tires of our reeva MRAPs. still a mechanic.

thanks for acknowledging that fact for us.
If mechanics in Nigeria are doing tire replacement, then they are of a low grade. Tires could be changed by anyone even if you do not know technical know-how of fixing cars. Mechanics are more involved with mechanical parts of the vehicles and Aeroplanes. That is also an area of speciality to armed forces especially special forces. They should be able to mend poor performing vehicles and give them a new life while at the same time they are carrying guns and mortars.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 11:02am On Mar 12, 2015
PHOTO AND STORY OF THE DEAD SOUTH AFRICAN KILLED IN NIGERIA

Johannesburg - The South African private military contractor who died when his tank was attacked in Nigeria knew what his mission might entail, his wife Almarie told Netwerk24.

"He went into it with eyes wide open. Luckily he died instantly, which every soldier would want, instead of suffering," she reportedly said.

Lotz and five Nigerian soldiers were killed when they were fired on at a roadblock near Maiduguri on Monday.

His commander from his days with counter-insurgency unit Koevoet during the border war with Namibia, identified only as "Nangombe", was also reportedly killed.

Second South African death

The South African and Nigerian governments have denied knowledge of South African soldiers training Nigerian soldiers against the militant organisation Boko Haram.

He is the second South African to die there after another man died of a heart attack six weeks ago.

His wife said he had resigned from work in Iraq to go to Nigeria. He was due home on Monday for a rest.

"I have peace in my mind that he did what was in his blood. Everything just feels so unreal," she said.

She said their son Leon, 22, was proud of his father.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/SA-military-contractor-killed-in-Nigeria-20150312

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 11:04am On Mar 12, 2015
SANDF

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:08am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
Look to what this dummy is saying. SA has enough doctors for its 50 million population. The only problem is that they are in conflict with the remuneration that the public hospital doctors get. They want to be paid more with better benefits, like cellphone allowances, car allowance, housing, entertainment, etc. Hence after they graduate they only do their community service at public hospital and thereafter emback into private service either establishing their own or working for top class SA private health facilities which pay competitive salaries. It is here you will never see incompetent Nigerian doctors and others.


However, incompetent Nigerian doctors who cannot do some certain medical procedures, like major surgeries, Organ transplants, like heart, liver and kidneys are employed at public hospitals earning peanuts. All that they could do according to SA medical law are circumcisions, lacerations, stitching wounds, Checking high blood pressure, blood tests etc.
The demands of your doctors is a naked reflection of the mentality of your Zulu-Bantu cave monkeys . It sure smacks of unprofessionalism, unearned doctor degrees by the dictatorial ANC government who insists unqualified bushmen fill up all governments and public institutions.

Your so-called private hospitals are owned, financed and staffed by Anglo-dutch and your xhosa and tswana cave men are who were forced forced doctor degrees are acting as nurses and clinical students.

By contrasts, Nigerian doctors are all over the globe performing professional duties.

As the single must HIV infected country on the green planet, and the one of the highest homicidal and attempted murder spots in the land of humans, your Anglo-dutch doctors would be over stretched, no?

To cope with such subhuman conditions, we understand why the ANC would staff your medical institutions with unqualified zulus and bantus whose only sense of purpose is "We must take what belongs to us",no?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:09am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
Look to what this dummy is saying. SA has enough doctors for its 50 million population. The only problem is that they are in conflict with the remuneration that the public hospital doctors get. They want to be paid more with better benefits, like cellphone allowances, car allowance, housing, entertainment, etc. Hence after they graduate they only do their community service at public hospital and thereafter emback into private service either establishing their own or working for top class SA private health facilities which pay competitive salaries. It is here you will never see incompetent Nigerian doctors and others.


However, incompetent Nigerian doctors who cannot do some certain medical procedures, like major surgeries, Organ transplants, like heart, liver and kidneys are employed at public hospitals earning peanuts. All that they could do according to SA medical law are circumcisions, lacerations, stitching wounds, Checking high blood pressure, blood tests etc.
The demands of your doctors is a naked reflection of the mentality of your Zulu-Bantu cave monkeys . It sure smacks of unprofessionalism, unearned doctor degrees by the dictatorial ANC government who insists unqualified bushmen fill up all governments and public institutions.

Your so-called private hospitals are owned, financed and staffed by Anglo-dutch and your xhosa and tswana cave men are who were forced forced doctor degrees are acting as nurses and clinical students.

By contrasts, Nigerian doctors are all over the globe performing professional duties.

As the single must HIV infected country on the green planet, and the one of the highest homicidal and attempted murder spots in the land of humans, your Anglo-dutch doctors would be over stretched, no?

To cope with such subhuman conditions, we understand why the ANC would staff your medical institutions with unqualified zulus and bantus whose only sense of purpose is "We must take what belongs to us",no?

Now I want you to sing me that classical ballad of racism song.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:15am On Mar 12, 2015
Henry120:
the Medical Research Council puts the figure at 32 482. The MRC' s estimate is close to the figure from the Department of Home Affairs, which is 30 068. This is a third more murders than reported by the SAPS, a discrepancy of more than 10 000 murders.
 
So, while the Democratic Alliance leaflet "Fight Crime" puts the average daily murder rate in South Africa at 55 murders every day, the Medical Research Council's statistics reveal that 89 murders are committed, on average, every day in South Africa.



http://rense.com/general39/reose.htm


This is your sh1thole of a country. You have absolutely no insurgency, yet 89 people are murdered everyday in South-Africa.

89 people!
Your source is a blog with no citations?

Just your style

Also - please post on topic - stop running away from you military's incompetence by de-railing the thread
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:17am On Mar 12, 2015
Henry120:
Fact is your celebrated koevet operator, could only get a job working for a Nigerian company as a menial mechanic.


Pathetic!

The uselessness of South-Africa in full glare.
1. Nigeria is so useless they cannot find mechanics to service their own vehicals
2. Nigeria is so useless they have to employ foreigners at massive costs to service their vehicles
3. Nigeria is so useless they kill these highly valuable contractors in friendly fire incidents

Again, this is simply one of hundred of South African mercenaries, who he was and what he (supposedly) did is irrelevant

Fact remains: South African mercenaries are active in Nigeria

Ps: The company he worked for, did it offer mechanical services or did it offer private protection services?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:19am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
The people of SA do not live under devastation. Nigerian citizens are. It will not help you to go on and on about murder rate of SA. There are many people who were killed in Nigeria than in SA, excluding Boko Haram victims. We have shown it here with statistics, proven and tested. The only part that works negatively against SA is that murders committed were far more in stats in relation to total population.
I thought you frustrated southies say Nigeria doesn't have any statistics on murder.

Where did you get your figures from?

Denial, shame, lies lack of dignity are now byword for southafricans on this thread.

Retarded Scums.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 11:19am On Mar 12, 2015
So the Nigerian military buys equipment, but is so incompetent it needs people to show them how to change tyres. Even worse it's generals are sending men to war with equipment that non of them know how to use. Training on equipment while Boko Haram is shooting at you....interesting.

See when people are desperate, they leave plenty gaps in their argument which they dont notice. So this particular man was performing maintenance on brand new military vehicles according to some here. What maintenance does a brand new vehicle need, besides a basic check? Equipment that hasnt been around for even 2 months and you need specialists to come check your oil filters for you....interesting.

Lets go a step further. In the case of the mine resistant armour vehicles bought from SA. These are not high tech, high end defence products. These vehicles perform well based on their chassis and frame design. No technician out on any field can ever change that.

https://i1.wp.com/www.revaarmoredvehicles.com/images/Gallery_revaVlargeF.jpg

The most "technologically advanced" part of this vehicle would be the weapons package and communication system. And since people here have insisted that these new vehicles are being driven straight to the front, somewhere out there there is a clueless Nigerian soldier shouting "white man white man, i need to contact my commander, show me how to use radio-o". And in the vehicle next to him "white man white man, i see Boko Haram, show me how to shoot-o".

So in conclusion, Nigeria cant perform the most basic maintenance on its vehicles because they claim they are new. Imagine a mechanic who doesnt know how to change a BMW 3 Series tyre, because he's used to changing Toyota Tazz tyres. And when these brand new vehicles are driven to the front, you need another set of people to show you how to use them in active combat.
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