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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:20am On Mar 12, 2015
lezz:
The demands of your doctors is a naked reflection of the mentality of your Zulu-Bantu cave monkeys . It sure smacks of unprofessionalism, unearned doctor degrees by the dictatorial ANC government who insists unqualified bushmen fill up all governments and public institutions.

Your so-called private hospitals are owned, financed and staffed by Anglo-dutch and your xhosa and tswana cave men are who were forced forced doctor degrees are acting as nurses and clinical students.

By contrasts, Nigerian doctors are all over the globe performing professional duties.

As the single must HIV infected country on the green planet, and the one of the highest homicidal and attempted murder spots in the land of humans, your Anglo-dutch doctors would be over stretched, no?

To cope with such subhuman conditions, we understand why the ANC would staff your medical institutions with unqualified zulus and bantus whose only sense of purpose is "We must take what belongs to us",no?
Nigerian doctors are no longer wanted in UK, US and even SA is now limiting their reception because of their incompetency and their limit of how they could perform medical procedures. Nigerian trained doctors are not properly trained to handle major surgeries.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 11:21am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
If mechanics in Nigeria are doing tire replacement, then they are of a low grade. Tires could be changed by anyone even if you do not know technical know-how of fixing cars. Mechanics are more involved with mechanical parts of the vehicles and Aeroplanes. That is also an area of speciality to armed forces especially special forces. They should be able to mend poor performing vehicles and give them a new life while at the same time they are carrying guns and mortars.
good thing we are on the same page. he was just a mechanic.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:22am On Mar 12, 2015
Henry120:
According to your Doctors, it's 89 murdered a day.

Land ownership is just as relevant as you clicking on this page.

friendly reminder: virtually all black South-Africans can be rightly categorised as internally displaced people.


Once again when the pathetic state of South-Africa is pointed out in relation to the topic, you retort to making baseless accusations. Typical.

Reminder: 32,485 South-Africans were murdered in 2014, another 32,485 would be murdered this year.

Do not forget, this country doesn't have any active insurgency.
1. Land ownership has nothing to do with who has the strongest military
2. Posting dubious statistics from blogs has nothing to do with who has the strongest military AND has nothing to do with honest debate
3. There is no reliable crime data for nigeria (last official release for nation wide stats was in 2004)

Yet again, when the incompetance and inadequacies of your military are highlighted you are forced to post off topic in the hopes of de-railing the argument.

- 4000 Nigerians are dead because your military failed to protect them
- 1,5 million Nigerians have been displaced because your military failed to protect them
- Boko Haram built a Caliphate the size of Belgium because your military coiuld not defend against them
- You had to call Chad, Niger and Cameroon to liberate YOUR territory because you could not defeat BH alone

These are all facts, these are all on topic.

Be a man, stick to the topic.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 11:23am On Mar 12, 2015
Henry120:
Sad the pathetic state of South-Africa has turned your koevoet operator into a common tire changer in Nigeria.

Very sad.
The sad state of Nigeria has resulted in you hiring men at massive expense from foreign countries to help you win a war you cannot fight alone.

Very sad
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 11:28am On Mar 12, 2015
KOEVET MEMBERS

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 11:29am On Mar 12, 2015
SANDF

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:31am On Mar 12, 2015
stillchris:
good thing we are on the same page. he was just a mechanic.
The wife of Lotz ostensibly told the press that his husband was a fighter and soldier and that he had just left Iraq for Nigeria before his untimely death.

Did you hear that dummy. The man was a mercenary. Donner.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 11:33am On Mar 12, 2015
Patchesagain:
1. Nigeria is so useless they cannot find mechanics to service their own vehicals
2. Nigeria is so useless they have to employ foreigners at massive costs to service their vehicles
3. Nigeria is so useless they kill these highly valuable contractors in friendly fire incidents

Again, this is simply one of hundred of South African mercenaries, who he was and what he (supposedly) did is irrelevant

Fact remains: South African mercenaries are active in Nigeria

Ps: The company he worked for, did it offer mechanical services or did it offer private protection services?
1. that's what hapoens when you make emergency procurements to enter battle immediately. you bring in contractors who are familiar with such equipments to train your troops on the field. it's not so hard to assimilate

2. same as number one. stop repeating same thing. are you frustrated?

3. the most powerful and modern military in the world makes such mistakes too. it's not a perculiar incident.

because he died a mechanic now makes it irrelevant? wasn't it you dumies who claimed your mercs were flying jets and liberating towns?

oga, it is highly relevant to know that your koevet mercs have been reduced to roadside mechanics by the Nigerian Army.

the company that hired them could have also done that as on the field mechanics to service vehicles our troops are not familiar with. since there wasn't enough time for training.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 11:35am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
The wife of Lotz ostensibly told the press that his husband was a fighter and soldier and that he had just left Iraq for Nigeria before his untimely death.

Did you hear that dummy. The man was a mercenary. Donner.
mechanics also travel too. mercs are now useless in iraq. so the man needed money to feed so he had to travel to Nigeria to change tires for change.

get that dummy? still a mechanic. nothing to be excited about
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody:
Henry120:
South-Africa has only 3 Operational C-130s. You are replacing nothing as you have no money. The SANDF is broke.


Over 50 years old transport planes, of course they are obsolete.

Your CASAs are also obsolete, again, you have no money for aviation fuel, how could you possibly afford new planes?

How many troops can a Cessna turboprop possible carry? You also do not have up to 10.


Need I remind you that we're talking about Transport planes, not fighter jets.

While the SAAF only has a whole lot of obsolete flying cans, Nigeria fields a proper Airforce.

NAF C-130 fleet : NAF 913
NAF 914
NAF 915
NAF. 916
NAF 917
NAF 918

Including 2 recently added Transport planes, another C-130 and a G-222
According to the 2015 Budget speech, its been made clear that money has been set aside for light and Medium transports,secondly our 9 C 130bz are upgraded and have a full glass cockpit, yours are outdated,your G222 are also more than 30 years old same age as our CASA 212s, thus if SAAF fly obsolete Aircraft so does NAF.
And yes we have 10 Cessna 208s
quote from the 2015 National expenditure:
"The department will be acquiring equipment and developing systems to maintain a modern, balanced and
technologically advanced force. It has budgeted for medium and light transport aircraft, a new generation
mobile communication capability, and precision guided air force ammunition for air defence. These acquisitions
are reflected in spending in the Air Defence programme in 2016/17 and 2017/18. For maritime defence, the
department plans to acquire a hydrographic vessel and offshore patrol vessels, upgrade frigates and static
communication for the navy, and replace heavyweight torpedo capability. Spending is on departmental agencies
and accounts in the Maritime Defence programme in 2016/17 and 2017/18. "
http://www.treasury.gov.za/documents/national%20budget/2015/ene/FullENE.pdf

SAAF C 130BZ cockpit:
Cessna 208b cockpit

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:36am On Mar 12, 2015
Thiza:
KOEVET MEMBERS
THE MEN WHO ARE GIVING EXERCISES TO RAG TAG NIGERIAN MILITARY WHICH IN TURN ONLY END UP KILLING THEM OUT OF THEIR INCOMPETENCE AND UNWILLINGNESS TO BE LEARN.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 11:37am On Mar 12, 2015
Patchesagain:
The sad state of Nigeria has resulted in you hiring our expert mercs from SA countries to help you repair vehicles you are not familiar with. very sad
very sad indeed.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 11:38am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
THE MEN WHO ARE GIVING EXERCISES TO RAG TAG NIGERIAN MILITARY WHICH IN TURN ONLY END UP KILLING THEM OUT OF THEIR INCOMPETENCE AND UNWILLINGNESS TO BE LEARN.
slow down with the grammargrin. the rest of your useless koevet mechanics are in good hands
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:39am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
Nigerian doctors are no longer wanted in UK, US and even SA is now limiting their reception because of their incompetency and their limit of how they could perform medical procedures. Nigerian trained doctors are not properly trained to handle major surgeries.
one medical clinical student in Nigeria equals 20 kwa Zulu-Bantu doctors.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:39am On Mar 12, 2015
stillchris:
mechanics also travel too. mercs are now useless in iraq. so the man needed money to feed so he had to travel to Nigeria to change tires for change.

get that dummy? still a mechanic. nothing to be excited about
SA is a world recognized country to have mercenaries all over the world. That's why the ANC terminated their service because their ever growing activities in the world.

Mr Lots was a mercenary as accepted by his wife and it ends there
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 11:46am On Mar 12, 2015
At one point I was also lured to join one of these companies because of the money that was involved. Mercenaries earn from $20 000 to $50 000 and some earn even more than the President of their host countries. Those people, one thing for sure is that they will suck Nigeria dry. I bet you. If the wealthy US could complain about their billions of money which was used to pay those people, what of poor Nigeria? Many of them are paid far more than Jonathan.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:47am On Mar 12, 2015
agaugust:
You have no new jam proof torpedoes, you have the old ones that came with your bank loan submarines and more modern versions are now in the market. Contralto V does not even jam torpedoes, it misleads them by producing many other targets under the ship.

NATO will sink Southie subs in 10 minutes cheesy cheesy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49HuxLVT9QM
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A lone SAN sub sank an entire NATO fleet if you forgot, im sure its going to take more than just 10min to sink it!
FYI: we are getting new torpedoes according to the 2015 National expenditure.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:54am On Mar 12, 2015
lezz:
one medical clinical student in Nigeria equals 20 kwa Zulu-Bantu doctors.
8 out of the top 10 universities in Africa are from South Africa, so im pretty sure its the other way around.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 11:55am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
SA is a world recognized country to have mercenaries all over the world. That's why the ANC terminated their service because their ever growing activities in the world.

Mr Lots was a mercenary as accepted by his wife and it ends there
no doubt. but ended up a mechanic in Nigeria. too bad
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:57am On Mar 12, 2015
stillchris:
no doubt. but ended up a mechanic in Nigeria. too bad
Does it even matter when mercenary ended up as mechanic in Nigeria and died with fellow Nigerian soldiers on a warzone?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 11:57am On Mar 12, 2015
FighterPilot:
At one point I was also lured to join one of these companies because of the money that was involved. Mercenaries earn from $20 000 to $50 000 and some earn even more than the President of their host countries. Those people, one thing for sure is that they will suck Nigeria dry. I bet you. If the wealthy US could complain about their billions of money which was used to pay those people, what of poor Nigeria? Many of them are paid far more than Jonathan.
i was also lured to join the navy seals but i refused. see? easygrin.

for the rest of your cries....... no needgrin.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:59am On Mar 12, 2015
stillchris:
i was also lured to join the navy seals but i refused. see? easygrin.

for the rest of your cries....... no needgrin.
My son could have give a better comment.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 11:59am On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
Does it even matter when mercenary ended up as mechanic in Nigeria and died with fellow Nigerian soldiers on a warzone?
yes it does. so you dummies can shut up about SA mercs flying jets and helicopters. or engaging in combat ops.

just mechanics is okaygrin. he died fixing our truckgrin.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 12:00pm On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
My son could have give a better comment.
i doubt your son has a brain. since he's your son
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 12:07pm On Mar 12, 2015
stillchris:
i doubt your son has a brain. since he's your son
My son would have done much, much better.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 12:11pm On Mar 12, 2015
stillchris:
yes it does. so you dummies can shut up about SA mercs flying jets and helicopters. or engaging in combat ops.

just mechanics is okaygrin. he died fixing our truckgrin.
One day one of them will crash and I will stand to pose these questions to you. Well but I know the crush is very unlikely to them since they are expects in flying gunships and fighter jets.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 12:32pm On Mar 12, 2015
saengine:
So the Nigerian military buys equipment, but is so incompetent it needs people to show them how to change tyres. Even worse it's generals are sending men to war with equipment that non of them know how to use. Training on equipment while Boko Haram is shooting at you....interesting.

See when people are desperate, they leave plenty gaps in their argument which they dont notice. So this particular man was performing maintenance on brand new military vehicles according to some here. What maintenance does a brand new vehicle need, besides a basic check? Equipment that hasnt been around for even 2 months and you need specialists to come check your oil filters for you....interesting.

Lets go a step further. In the case of the mine resistant armour vehicles bought from SA. These are not high tech, high end defence products. These vehicles perform well based on their chassis and frame design. No technician out on any field can ever change that.

https://i1.wp.com/www.revaarmoredvehicles.com/images/Gallery_revaVlargeF.jpg

The most "technologically advanced" part of this vehicle would be the weapons package and communication system. And since people here have insisted that these new vehicles are being driven straight to the front, somewhere out there there is a clueless Nigerian soldier shouting "white man white man, i need to contact my commander, show me how to use radio-o". And in the vehicle next to him "white man white man, i see Boko Haram, show me how to shoot-o".

So in conclusion, Nigeria cant perform the most basic maintenance on its vehicles because they claim they are new. Imagine a mechanic who doesnt know how to change a BMW 3 Series tyre, because he's used to changing Toyota Tazz tyres. And when these brand new vehicles are driven to the front, you need another set of people to show you how to use them in active combat.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! THESE DUMMIES DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO CHANGE TIRES OF A VEHICLE. ALL THAT THEY DO IS " WHITE MAN, WHITE MAN" CAN YOU SHOW ME HOW THIS AND THAT IS DONE.


YOU KICKED HARD ON THE BOOT, THEIR EXHAUST IS SUPPOSED TO BE AILING AS WE SPEAK.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m):
lezz:
one medical clinical student in Nigeria equals 20 kwa Zulu-Bantu doctors.
SA trained doctors are in high demand across the world.

This is what seems to happen to Nigerian trained doctors in Europe- The results is unwanted.


https://www.newsday.co.zw/2013/01/02/nigeria-trained-doctors-rank-second-on-uk-blacklist/

In Canada and US they wouldn't be allowed to practise medics or even touch patients if they were trained in Nigeria, rather they will be allowed to work as cleaners.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 12:59pm On Mar 12, 2015
Msauza:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! THESE DUMMIES DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO CHANGE TIRES OF A VEHICLE. ALL THAT THEY DO IS " WHITE MAN, WHITE MAN" CAN YOU SHOW ME HOW THIS AND THAT IS DONE.
YOU KICKED HARD ON THE BOOT, THEIR EXHAUST IS SUPPOSED TO BE AILING AS WE SPEAK.
Kwaaaaks! By their own admission, they have to import foreign mechanics. Safe to conclude that they are useless in all fronts. South Africa even maintain their equipment, as admitted by them.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 1:12pm On Mar 12, 2015
DieVluit:
Kwaaaaks! By their own admission, they have to import foreign mechanics. Safe to conclude that they are useless in all fronts. South Africa even maintain their equipment, as admitted by them.
SA does almost everything for them.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:41pm On Mar 12, 2015
Johannesburg/Dakar - Nigeria has brought in hundreds of mercenaries from South Africa and the former Soviet Union to give its offensive against Boko Haram a shot in the arm before a 28 March election, according to regional security, defence and diplomatic sources.

Rumours about the use of foreign "soldiers of fortune" against the Islamist militant group gained substance this month when pictures surfaced on Twitter showing armoured vehicles rumbling along a street in what was said to be Maiduguri, the regional capital of Nigeria's Boko Haram-hit northeast.

In one photo that appeared on Twitter on 6 March, a white man in a khaki tee-shirt and body armour is shown beside a heavy-calibre machine gun on top of one of the sand-coloured vehicles as the column drives through the streets at dusk.

A Reuters reporter with knowledge of Maiduguri was able to verify the location of the photo as the Bama road, leading southeast out of the city, near the University of Maiduguri.

Election campaign posters of Borno state governor Kashim Shettima hanging from street lights indicate it was taken recently. The lights, notable for their ornate ironwork, were only installed last year.

Trainers and technicians

In confirming the presence of hundreds of foreign military contractors on the ground, including recently in the city of Maiduguri, security and diplomatic sources put the total much higher than the hundred or so previously reported.

Nigerian government spokesperson Mike Omeri declined to comment, referring questions to military spokesperson Chris Olukolade, who also declined to respond to multiple requests for comment.

In an interview with Voice of America late on Wednesday, President Goodluck Jonathan said two companies were providing "trainers and technicians" to help Nigerian forces. He did not name the firms, or the nationalities, or give numbers.

But a West African security source and a South African defence source said the foreign troops were linked to the bosses of former South African private military firm Executive Outcomes.

Executive Outcomes was best-known for its involvement in Angola's 1975-2002 civil war and against Revolutionary United Front rebels in an internal conflict in Sierra Leone in 1995. It disbanded in 1998, under pressure from the post-apartheid government in Pretoria to curtail mercenary activities.

Incoherent mix of people

The West African security source said several hundred foreigners were involved in running major offensive operations against Boko Haram, and were being paid around $400 a day in cash.

Their impact on the fighting so far could not be quantified, but the general run of the campaign has seen the tide turn somewhat against Boko Haram in recent weeks.

Separately, a South African defence contractor confirmed to Reuters that ex-Executive Outcomes leaders were involved in the deployment, which comes after the six-week postponement of elections in mid-February due to the threat from Boko Haram.

One Abuja-based diplomat said the South Africans were backed by soldiers and hardware from the former Soviet Union in an alliance against Boko Haram, which has killed thousands of people in its six-year campaign to establish an Islamic caliphate in northern Nigeria.

"It's an incoherent mix of people, helicopters and random kit from all sorts of different sources, but there is an element of internal cohesion from the Nigerian army," the diplomat said.

"It appears to be a desperate ploy to get some sort of tactical success up there in six weeks for the electoral boost," the diplomat added. The numbers of soldiers involved were in the "low hundreds", the diplomat added.

"No business to be there"

John Stupart, editor of African Armed Forces magazine, identified the troop carriers as Reva III, manufactured by a Pretoria-based company called Integrated Convoy Protection.

After reports of South African military trainers first surfaced in the Afrikaans-language Beeld newspaper in January, Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapise-Nqakula made clear her displeasure, saying any deployment would be illegal under 1998 anti-mercenary laws.

"They are mercenaries, whether they are training, skilling the Nigerian defence force, or scouting for them. The point is they have no business to be there," she was quoted as saying in domestic media this month.

South Africa bans its nationals from participating directly in hostilities for private gain. Georgia, seen as a major source of mercenaries, has laws before parliament criminalising participation in a broad range of foreign military activities.

Reuters was unable to reach the former bosses of Executive Outcomes through military contacts in South Africa.

The appearance of foreign private soldiers comes four months after Nigeria's ambassador to the United States said Washington was not helping the struggle against Boko Haram, and had failed to share intelligence and sell Nigeria the weapons it needed.

The presence of mercenaries from South Africa and the former Soviet Union adds to the broad array of forces lining up against Boko Haram, which has emerged in the last few years as sub-Saharan Africa's biggest security threat.

Chad, Niger, Cameroon and Benin have committed troops to an 8 700-strong regional force. This week, Chad and Niger launched a joint military offensive deep into Nigerian territory.

US and European special forces have just completed three weeks of war games with regional counterparts near Lake Chad, one of boundaries of a Boko Haram sphere of influence thought at one time to be the size of Belgium.

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Nigeria-drafts-in-foreign-mercenaries-to-take-on-Boko-Haram-20150312
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 1:43pm On Mar 12, 2015
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