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kayceerilyn:
if a house can not come.by chance,a stack of rocks cannot be attributed to chance,there is no way our perfect earth will come by chance. It is the work of someone perfect as well.

someone perfect who's perfect at making and creating imperfection(s),hurricane is perfect,earthquake is perfect and you also perfect because you was created by a perfect dog...oppss I mean god.

davien:
No,a large number of atheists aren't rationalists...And those that are,don't have to "believe in" anything....you're merely equivocating(exchanging the words) "believe in" instead of "accept" to conjure a resonance of faith...

This is already a fallacy in itself....

Starting by equivocating words to imply faith....you then moved forward to attach your misunderstanding of a scientific theory....

Let us see where this leads to.



In the very same context you're using....it could be said that atheist(more specifcly,the rationalists) also "believe in"(the appropriate term is accept) Newtonian physics....does that magically turn gravity into a belief?

Even so,your dishonest presupposition(pre-concluded assumption) falls apart when you've already said "most atheists"....so you're also generalizing your observation based on a selected group.

Lets proceed.



Tell me what you mean here...because I need you to define your terms here....

And I also question the basis for calling the earth "designed"....what is the determinant of a designed earth?....can you provide or tell me how an undesigned earth would look like...so as to know?

And the reality we share doesn't remotely favour common sense.

Our intuition would tell us that between an egg and a boulder,dropped at the same time and from the same height....that the boulder should hit the ground first(because it's heavier)....but reality differs....

They both hit the ground at the same time(in fact, this is a standard test in physics to demonstrate that our intuitions doesn't matter to any event at play....until demonstrated)

And we've actually witnessed firsthand' the birth of planets and stars from chaotic supernovae...what would you call that?




I doubt any rationalists would say "randomness", but I see perfectly what you're doing...

You're trying to misrepresent the secular position of existence to somehow give your belief a more sane appearance....

The rebuttal I have for this pathetic dishonest misrepresentation is this....

Nature is probabilistic...not entirely random and not entirely ordered,and neither is it neutral(this may shock you ofcourse).....


Lets observe the cell wall....more specificly the semi-permeable membrane....it is a phospholipid bilayer of naturally occuring compounds.

On exposure to water,it's properties(which are determined by the head group and it's chains) form the bilayer by extending its hydrophobic(water dreading) layer in and it's hydrophilic(water loving) layer out...forming the "bilayer" in the process,that keeps the membrane from being permeated by everything(hence the term "semi-permeable"


Note that this function operates due to contrasting features that do not go together(i.e the hydrophobic effect)....but because of probabilistic qualities it encounters...it serves as a building block of cells...literally the walls.



I doubt you know the "law" you're talking about, may we know what this law is called and it's full implications....Is it thermodynamics?

Because if it is,you should have known that "order" and "disorder" in thermodynamics are referred to as "entropy" and entropy actually has values(I.e J/k )...and the total entropy of a system is determined by the work(useful energy)....

And since energy isn't created or destroyed(1st law) ....work gets rearranged into different forms(2nd law)....ofwhich one of those forms is matter.... (2nd law)



This is the hypocrisy of it all, after equivocating and misrepresenting everything you can....you then thank those who subscribe to the same faith you do...for support...

Good job, by this rate the well knowledgeable would depart from your religion after witnessing the extents used to retain the belief.

Gosh so tired, it takes much work to expose a lie than to tell it...And I believe I've exposed you quite well...

Anyone willing to know any of this should either go to a noteable school of thought, library , google, etc lol

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_bilayer

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/therm/entrop.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28order_and_disorder%29

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrophobic_effect

What ever those points you just said. I still stand on this. you cannot get order out of disorder. You can't get DNA (Information) from dis order. It takes a lot of faith to believe that. be rational for once. we don't know how we got here. I still believe in an Intelligent designer than blind chance.

You should ask yourself this question. we are all made from atoms in the universe. Yet we observe the universe. How can or why should the universe observe itself.

Your mind itself is a miracle of its like software. It isn't really there.

My stand is You cannot rule out God/or some creator/alien and science is just an observatory and application. all working together. Science is fact and it doesn't rule out God

There you have it. Enjoy your sef.

frankmishael1:
u will die horrible death before this month end, if it didn't happen know I'm not a man of God

You mean the kind of death your mumu Jesus suffered? Anuofia..

frankmishael1:
u will die horrible death before this month end, if it didn't happen know I'm not a man of God

Excuse me there is nothing like that where God's His grace comes from. This individual has just express his needs. You cannot force your opinion by threatening with death Sir. The Lord has no interest in the of such neither have you any profit either. Hell fire is not jail term, it is ETERNITY loss.

Dearest friend. The scriptures says the time of ignorance God winks at. He did for Apostle Paul and over the years he a thousand persons worst off than you can ever be have experienced same SAVING GRACE.

You can whisper this to yourself today as you go about your business; God if you trully exist, make yourself known to me today. I am sure we can discuss better after that. Have a beautiful day you two.

davien:
No,a large number of atheists aren't rationalists...And those that are,don't have to "believe in" anything....you're merely equivocating(exchanging the words) "believe in" instead of "accept" to conjure a resonance of faith...

This is already a fallacy in itself....

Starting by equivocating words to imply faith....you then moved forward to attach your misunderstanding of a scientific theory....

Let us see where this leads to.



In the very same context you're using....it could be said that atheist(more specifcly,the rationalists) also "believe in"(the appropriate term is accept) Newtonian physics....does that magically turn gravity into a belief?

Even so,your dishonest presupposition(pre-concluded assumption) falls apart when you've already said "most atheists"....so you're also generalizing your observation based on a selected group.

Lets proceed.



Tell me what you mean here...because I need you to define your terms here....

And I also question the basis for calling the earth "designed"....what is the determinant of a designed earth?....can you provide or tell me how an undesigned earth would look like...so as to know?

And the reality we share doesn't remotely favour common sense.

Our intuition would tell us that between an egg and a boulder,dropped at the same time and from the same height....that the boulder should hit the ground first(because it's heavier)....but reality differs....

They both hit the ground at the same time(in fact, this is a standard test in physics to demonstrate that our intuitions doesn't matter to any event at play....until demonstrated)

And we've actually witnessed firsthand' the birth of planets and stars from chaotic supernovae...what would you call that?




I doubt any rationalists would say "randomness", but I see perfectly what you're doing...

You're trying to misrepresent the secular position of existence to somehow give your belief a more sane appearance....

The rebuttal I have for this pathetic dishonest misrepresentation is this....

Nature is probabilistic...not entirely random and not entirely ordered,and neither is it neutral(this may shock you ofcourse).....


Lets observe the cell wall....more specificly the semi-permeable membrane....it is a phospholipid bilayer of naturally occuring compounds.

On exposure to water,it's properties(which are determined by the head group and it's chains) form the bilayer by extending its hydrophobic(water dreading) layer in and it's hydrophilic(water loving) layer out...forming the "bilayer" in the process,that keeps the membrane from being permeated by everything(hence the term "semi-permeable"


Note that this function operates due to contrasting features that do not go together(i.e the hydrophobic effect)....but because of probabilistic qualities it encounters...it serves as a building block of cells...literally the walls.



I doubt you know the "law" you're talking about, may we know what this law is called and it's full implications....Is it thermodynamics?

Because if it is,you should have known that "order" and "disorder" in thermodynamics are referred to as "entropy" and entropy actually has values(I.e J/k )...and the total entropy of a system is determined by the work(useful energy)....

And since energy isn't created or destroyed(1st law) ....work gets rearranged into different forms(2nd law)....ofwhich one of those forms is matter.... (2nd law)



This is the hypocrisy of it all, after equivocating and misrepresenting everything you can....you then thank those who subscribe to the same faith you do...for support...

Good job, by this rate the well knowledgeable would depart from your religion after witnessing the extents used to retain the belief.

Gosh so tired, it takes much work to expose a lie than to tell it...And I believe I've exposed you quite well...

Anyone willing to know any of this should either go to a noteable school of thought, library , google, etc lol

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_bilayer

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/therm/entrop.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28order_and_disorder%29

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrophobic_effect

With all the wikipedia and hyperphysics, your rebuttal does not prove that there is no God. This further confirms the op- it requires more stress/faith, findings and more google to keep believing there is no God.

Has anyone ever wondered.........If God created all of us, the earth and heavens, everything.......then who created Him? How did He come to be the God we all know today?

It's pretty confusing to believe in a supernatural being when there are logical and scientific explanations for "most" situations.

I believe......based on some personal experience!

Emax:
Only a mentally derailed human will doubt the existance of the creator of universe we call home.

And only a sane man will sustain and adapt to his natural habitat called earth from birth till death but wouldn't maintain control of his believe because of miseducation of his oral stage in life

kayceerilyn:
if a house can not come.by chance,a stack of rocks cannot be attributed to chance,there is no way our perfect earth will come by chance. It is the work of someone perfect as well.

Does the earth really seem perfect to you? Is your own body perfect? Ask yourself these questions and really think about the answers.

GodMode:
Just because someone is not of the same ideology as you does not mean you should call them "fools".

Not me.

The Bible calls them fools and I concur.

frankmishael1:
u will die horrible death before this month end, if it didn't happen know I'm not a man of God

Just read the trash you wrote. Foolish religious goat.

MzNelly:
Atheists are simply confused set of people.

Only a fool will look into the heavens and say "There is no God."

Where is the heavens?

gbl01:
Not believing in God is a sin even the Devil did no commit

But for other sins he committed,your dumb ever forgiving god couldn't forgive him and casted him down to earth so what makes you think you dumb god will forgive you?

LucemFerre:
Where is the heavens?

In between your legs.

DOD1:
An atheist in a bus has no proof that he will reach
his destination successfully yet he beliefs he will,
that is faith.

wrong

Re-think about what you wrote because you just described an average christian mindset....atheist don't believe in no destination so we don't need no bus but christians do

Humblebloke:
Atheists are non thinkers...











It's just pure Selfishness thinking what you see and feel everyday does not exist

I really think theist are thinkers because what they don't see and don't feel everyday do exist!!! Who needs to think more?

The concept of God is not the subject of controversy but rather Religion. Because there's now way you can actually isolate God independent of Religion because that's the origin and with so many religions come so many different gods. Now which would you believe in? And at what point do we draw the line between Mythology and sacred!
I think it's a little to complicated to iron out so id say just do good by your neighbor since that's the ultimate goal of all parties involved. #worldpeace y'all

ipunchbitches:
Religion has actually convinced
people that there's an invisible
man living in the sky who
watches everything you do,
every minute of every day. And
the invisible man has a special
list of ten things he does not
want you to do. And if you do
any of these ten things, he has a
special place, full of fire and
smoke and burning and torture
and anguish, where he will
send you to live and suffer and
burn and choke and scream and
cry forever and ever 'til the end
of time!
But He loves you. He loves you,
and He needs money! He always
needs money! He's all-powerful,
all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-
wise, somehow just can't handle
money!

Oga give honor to whom it is due nao...
George Carlin, we miss you!

MzNelly:
Atheists are simply confused set of people.

Only a fool will look into the heavens and say "There is no God."

And only a simple-minded LovePeddler like you can look to the heavens and see some old fool with a white beard.

Onliie:
Bogus, but senseless write-up. You refuse to address the issue he raised head-on. what exactly is your point

read 10000 times.. You will understand the point

Onliie:
Bogus, but senseless write-up. You refuse to address the issue he raised head-on. what exactly is your point

He actually fully addressed the issues the OP raised,but I guess his words are too high fallutin for your likes to appreciate..

ReubenAbati:
Just read the trash you wrote. Foolish religious goat.

u want to die with him?

slogozer:
Excuse me there is nothing like that where God's His grace comes from. This individual has just express his needs. You cannot force your opinion by threatening with death Sir. The Lord has no interest in the of such neither have you any profit either. Hell fire is not jail term, it is ETERNITY loss.

Dearest friend. The scriptures says the time of ignorance God winks at. He did for Apostle Paul and over the years he a thousand persons worst off than you can ever be have experienced same SAVING GRACE.

You can whisper this to yourself today as you go about your business; God if you trully exist, make yourself known to me today. I am sure we can discuss better after that. Have a beautiful day you two.

I know what I'm doing

sonOfLucifer:
You mean the kind of death your mumu Jesus suffered? Anuofia..

just watch and see, ur days on earth had been numbered, I thank my God when ever I pray he answer.

MzNelly:
Not me.

The Bible calls them fools and I concur.

The bible is written by humans. Humans that planned to instill fear in other humans and control them.

aaronson:
But for other sins he committed,your dumb ever forgiving god couldn't forgive him and casted him down to earth so what makes you think you dumb god will forgive you?

Life must be damn so hard for you! Please mind your business and quote me no more.

Some fellow says he believes in God and believes that He's Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. This fellow claims this God abhors certain things and is a consuming fire, yet loving. This fellow goes ahead to do things in his/her closet that this Being abhors. This fellow, we should not forget, believes everything this Being said and says, one of which is "thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" and yet this fellow continually and deliberately goes ahead to do things that are against this Being's will and purpose of creating him(the fellow) with the hope of being forgiven after the deliberate acts, ignoring the commandment "thou shalt not tempt...".
Some other fellow is out there who vehemently opposes the belief of this Supreme Being's existence and all of the ideologies accrued to His existence and so does things in the light of what he accepts.
Now tell me, who among these two is foolish? The one who believes a Supreme Being exists and yet continually acts like He doesn't exist in doing things that this God hates Or the one who denies the existence of this God in its entirety?

kayceerilyn:
if a house can not come.by chance,a stack of rocks cannot be attributed to chance,there is no way our perfect earth will come by chance.

Define perfect... And how is the world perfect? Give me an example of an imperfect world to compare this one with.

kayceerilyn:
It is the work of someone perfect as well.

SOMEONE? Who is that "PERSON"?

MzNelly:
In between your legs.

Now I believe you.

davien:
No,a large number of atheists aren't rationalists...And those that are,don't have to "believe in" anything....you're merely equivocating(exchanging the words) "believe in" instead of "accept" to conjure a resonance of faith...

This is already a fallacy in itself....

Starting by equivocating words to imply faith....you then moved forward to attach your misunderstanding of a scientific theory....

Let us see where this leads to.



In the very same context you're using....it could be said that atheist(more specifcly,the rationalists) also "believe in"(the appropriate term is accept) Newtonian physics....does that magically turn gravity into a belief?

Even so,your dishonest presupposition(pre-concluded assumption) falls apart when you've already said "most atheists"....so you're also generalizing your observation based on a selected group.

Lets proceed.



Tell me what you mean here...because I need you to define your terms here....

And I also question the basis for calling the earth "designed"....what is the determinant of a designed earth?....can you provide or tell me how an undesigned earth would look like...so as to know?

And the reality we share doesn't remotely favour common sense.

Our intuition would tell us that between an egg and a boulder,dropped at the same time and from the same height....that the boulder should hit the ground first(because it's heavier)....but reality differs....

They both hit the ground at the same time(in fact, this is a standard test in physics to demonstrate that our intuitions doesn't matter to any event at play....until demonstrated)

And we've actually witnessed firsthand' the birth of planets and stars from chaotic supernovae...what would you call that?




I doubt any rationalists would say "randomness", but I see perfectly what you're doing...

You're trying to misrepresent the secular position of existence to somehow give your belief a more sane appearance....

The rebuttal I have for this pathetic dishonest misrepresentation is this....

Nature is probabilistic...not entirely random and not entirely ordered,and neither is it neutral(this may shock you ofcourse).....


Lets observe the cell wall....more specificly the semi-permeable membrane....it is a phospholipid bilayer of naturally occuring compounds.

On exposure to water,it's properties(which are determined by the head group and it's chains) form the bilayer by extending its hydrophobic(water dreading) layer in and it's hydrophilic(water loving) layer out...forming the "bilayer" in the process,that keeps the membrane from being permeated by everything(hence the term "semi-permeable"


Note that this function operates due to contrasting features that do not go together(i.e the hydrophobic effect)....but because of probabilistic qualities it encounters...it serves as a building block of cells...literally the walls.



I doubt you know the "law" you're talking about, may we know what this law is called and it's full implications....Is it thermodynamics?

Because if it is,you should have known that "order" and "disorder" in thermodynamics are referred to as "entropy" and entropy actually has values(I.e J/k )...and the total entropy of a system is determined by the work(useful energy)....

And since energy isn't created or destroyed(1st law) ....work gets rearranged into different forms(2nd law)....ofwhich one of those forms is matter.... (2nd law)



This is the hypocrisy of it all, after equivocating and misrepresenting everything you can....you then thank those who subscribe to the same faith you do...for support...

Good job, by this rate the well knowledgeable would depart from your religion after witnessing the extents used to retain the belief.

Gosh so tired, it takes much work to expose a lie than to tell it...And I believe I've exposed you quite well...

Anyone willing to know any of this should either go to a noteable school of thought, library , google, etc lol

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_bilayer

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/therm/entrop.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28order_and_disorder%29

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrophobic_effect

Phew! You just ethered the OP.

frankmishael1:
u want to die with him?

You mean, you don't want to die? You don't want to go to Heaven?

GodMode:
The bible is written by humans. Humans that planned to instill fear in other humans and control them.

Hmmn

MzNelly:
Atheists are simply confused set of people.

Only a fool will look into the heavens and say "There is no God."

only half brain ediot will look up to heaven and worship the same foolish god that thinks there is no other god but himself.