Crawford-Browne said evidence showed that Barclays Bank of England financed the acquisition of the BAE
Hawk and the BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft.
Commmerzbank of Germany financed the purchase of the four frigates and three submarines. Societe
Generale in France financed Thomson CSF combat suites in the German frigates. Mediocredito Centrale in
Italy backed the purchase of 30 Augusta helicopters.

SALOANDF
lol

iolmobile.co.za/#!/article/arms-deal-raped-sa-crawford-browne-1.1762047

jln115:

Were in the article does it state it was a South African Ship?
It could of been a German ship.

Now stop telling these lies you embarrassing YOURSELF!

"So the Germans fired it" *ROTFL*

Henry120:


South-African Defence Force members


Ill-trained,
Ill-disciplined,
A complete and utter embarrassment to Africa.


* to think these people go un-punished shows how inept the SANDF is.

Well at least our soldiers dont dress up in womens clothing and run away when the enemy starts firing on them.

dragon2:
Crawford-Browne said evidence showed that Barclays Bank of England financed the acquisition of the BAE
Hawk and the BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft.
Commmerzbank of Germany financed the purchase of the four frigates and three submarines. Societe
Generale in France financed Thomson CSF combat suites in the German frigates. Mediocredito Centrale in
Italy backed the purchase of 30 Augusta helicopters.

SALOANDF
lol

iolmobile.co.za/#!/article/arms-deal-raped-sa-crawford-browne-1.1762047

Yet these clowns claim they are getting 6 additional Frigates and OPV's

jln115:

Well at least our soldiers dont dress up in womens clothing and run away when the enemy starts firing on them.

SANDF at it's very best. No Hollywood make believe.

Henry120:


"So the Germans fired it" *ROTFL*

Did i say the Germans fired it?
I said it was possible, it could of been German and South African ships firing simultaneously,besides the fishing boat was in the wrong place as well and the captain was fully aware there would be live firing from the South African and German Navies.

Henry120:


SANDF at it's very best. No Hollywood make believe.

Do you see them wearing womens clothing?

Henry120:




Yet these clowns claim they are getting 6 additional Frigates and OPV's

Yes were getting new OPV, IPV,Hydrographic vessel, Torpedos,Transport Aircraft,New Missiles,Upgrading our Valours ect ect

Henry120:


9. 9 pilots and 9 navigators.


How many hawks are in service with the SAAF?

26?


It is important for any Airforce to have surplus pilots, a full compliment of pilots is only a basic requirement.

The SAAF cannot achieve this because, the service after 16 years, still lacks the skilled personnel to meet this very basic of requirements. As an add on, you are also broke.


Nothing to be proud of, half and half pig.

Where does it say 9 and 9?

It says 18 - this means any combination is possible

When the last numbers were released there were 52 Pilots qualified on the Hawks and waiting for the Gripen

Add to this 22 000 hours budgeted and you see that we are neither broke nor short of skills

jln115:

Did i say the Germans fired it?
I said it was possible, it could of been German and South African ships firing simultaneously,besides the fishing boat was in the wrong place as well and the captain was fully aware there would be live firing from the South African and German Navies.

Oh lawd!!!!!!!!

So the Germans Fired 76mm's at a poor fisherman's boat

The incompetence of the SANDF now displayed to the whole world in full glare.

Henry120:


I showed you a photo of qualified F-7 pilots.


Thanks for providing a photo of all the personnel in the SAAF.

You posted a photo of all the people in the NAF

Henry120:


Not accurate.

You have 26 Gripens in service.
18 Aircrew (pilots and navigators)
In 2013 you only had 6 qualified Gripen pilots.
9 pilots and 9 navigators.

18 Aircrew
14 Gripens fully operational at any given time
12 in rotation

26-12=14

Thus, 14 pilots

Henry120:


Oh lawd!!!!!!!!

So the Germans Fired 76mm's at a poor fisherman's boat

The incompetence of the SANDF now displayed to the whole world in full glare.

HaHaH Whatever dude! i said what i had to say.

Henry120:

Written by defenceWeb
Wednesday, 13 March 2013 10:15




At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year, according to Maynier. The annual target for fighter flying hours was 250 for the 2011/2012 period, according to the Department of Defence’s most recent Annual Report.



[b]Defence analyst Helmoed-Römer Heitman noted the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) requires fighter pilots to log at least 20 flight hours per month (240 flight hours per year per fighter pilot) to remain qualified.

“One of the biggest scandals of the Arms Deal is that we bought military equipment we could not afford to operate. And there is no better illustration of the point than the Gripen fighter jets in long-term storage,” Maynier said. “It is imperative that the Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, reviews the allocation of the operating funding to the “Gripen system” in the SAAF.[/b]

You are posting outdated and misleading information - David Maynier was completely wrong (as was shown by his retraction of his statements at the SERETI Comission).

While flight hours are misleading, for instance the 2011/2012 DoD Annual Report states that while the Gripen squadron was allocated only 250 flying hours for that FY, 857.1 hours were actually flown by using funds from other parts of the budget.
http://www.dod.mil.za/documents/annualreports/annualreport1112n.pdf

Why are you wasting time with matters that have been resolved? Why are you so desperate to discredit the SAAF? Is it because of the massive insecurities you feel for the NAF?

Henry120:


Your ministry of Defence is telling lies to save face. At the time of the report, the SAAF only had 6 qualified Gripen Pilots.

That guy is a former submariner and the SANDF's loudest and staunchest supporter in your parliament.

David Manier is an opposition MP who wants to be the Minster of defence - he is its biggest critic

SANDF submits the report to parliament - if they lie they get held up for fraud.

You have been soundly defeated with citations.

IDRISS DERBY OF CHAD IS THE KING OF WEST AFRICA.



http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/world/africa/chad-strongman-says-nigeria-is-absent-in-fight-against-boko-haram.html?referrer=

Henry120:


You have a total 9 pilots and 9 navigators for a total of 18 air crew, for 26 planes.

You had 6 pilots in 2013.

Where do you get this information from?

Why cant you support your claims?

agaugust:

[size=16pt]
Bwahahahaha

Anyway you define BEST, the Su-30 still beats the Gripen.

Su-30 MKI radar maximum range is 400 km, armed with with Novator BVR missile super long range 400 km !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-30MKI

Gripen jet radar maximum range is 120 km, armed with AIM BVR missile much shorter range 105 km

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen

The Su-30 kills the Gripen before the toy Gripen can even fire any missile !

100% Victory for Su-30

[/size]

Why are you so obsessed with the Su30?

agaugust:

[size=16pt]
Bwahahahaha

Anyway you define BEST, the Su-30 still beats the Gripen.

Su-30 MKI radar maximum range is 400 km, armed with with Novator BVR missile super long range 400 km !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-30MKI

Gripen jet radar maximum range is 120 km, armed with AIM BVR missile much shorter range 105 km

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen

The Su-30 kills the Gripen before the toy Gripen can even fire any missile !

100% Victory for Su-30

[/size]

Why are you so obsessed with the Su30?

O thats right - its the only plane in Africa that is a proper enemy for the Gripen.

Henry120:


Direct your question to your MoD, they take the decisions not me . I've only stated the number (9)of pilots.

You seem to know the number as fact

Why can you not provide proof?

Are you trolling?

Henry120:


Not accurate.

You have 26 Gripens in service.
18 Aircrew (pilots and navigators)
In 2013 you only had 6 qualified Gripen pilots.
9 pilots and 9 navigators.

9 pilots is all time better than only 3 Nigerian F7 pilots.

agaugust:


.....because you are fools in South Africa, your brains work in reverse gear

You have missile shortage on your jets and your warships, empty Exocet launchers all over your Frigates.

Nation of dumbos
.

Missile shortage for Gripen is because we are going to start producing our own - the A-Darter, why would we buy a span of missiles just to replace them?

Missile shortage for frigates is in line with standard operational procedure - we do not intent to have all 4 at sea at the same time, because we do this thing called maintenance.

agaugust:
[size=18pt]

Citation needed.

NAF has NEVER been reported to be short of F-7 jet pilots.

The only pilot shortage reported is for South African Gripen jets

"The sad facts of the Gripen system are as follows: 26 Gripen fighter jets were delivered; 10 or fewer are operational; 12 are in long-term storage; there are six qualified pilots; there are about 150 flying hours available to the entire squadron. "

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-military-maintenance-matters-010956/

[/size]

[size=18pt]Outdated information

Date of publication of your source: March 13/13

Date of publication of the following: 09 September 2013

However, last month Mapisa-Nqakula said that no Gripens or Hawks were in storage. Bayne said this was because after consulting with Saab, it was decided to rather rotate the aircraft to ensure they all get a chance to fly.

the Gripen fleet has flown 3 500 hours since 2008 while the 24-strong Hawk fleet has flown over 10 000 major accident-free hours since 2005. According to testimony at the arms deal commission, 18 Gripen aircrew have been trained up to operational status to date and 52 Hawk aircrew have been trained so far.
- DefenceWeb

2011/2012 DoD Annual Report states that while the Gripen squadron was allocated only 250 flying hours for that FY, 857.1 hours were actually flown by using funds from other parts of the budget.
http://www.dod.mil.za/documents/annualreports/annualreport1112n.pdf

There are currently 14 Gripen operational

“Now that the full fleet will be in the air, it should be possible to get more pilots trained up, with flying hours under their belts,”
http://www.africandefence.net/saafs-flying-cheetahs-to-stay-airborne/

Your argument has been blown out the water by citations[/size]

agaugust:


“The sad facts of the Gripen system are as follows: 26 Gripen fighter jets were delivered; 10 or fewer are operational; 12 are in long-term storage; there are six qualified pilots; there are about 150 flying hours available to the entire squadron for 2013.”

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-military-maintenance-matters-010956/


.

[size=20pt]“Now that the full fleet will be in the air, it should be possible to get more pilots trained up, with flying hours under their belts,”[/size]
http://www.africandefence.net/saafs-flying-cheetahs-to-stay-airborne/

Henry120:
LET IT BE KNOWN, THE NIGERIAN MILITARY HAS CARRIED OUT WHAT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS AN UN-PRECEDENTED MILITARY MARVEL!

In 6 weeks gallant men of the Nigerian military conducted military operations in an Area equal to the size of Scotland and Wales with precision, employing Africa's most Technologically advanced attack, surveillance and battle field tactics.


We have un-undoubtedly proven once again why we are Africa's best land forces.

#Victory Nigeria
#Never Again

How?

Technologically how?
What tacticts?

You have only shown how effective Russian and South African mercenaries are and how effective Chad and Cameroon are.

And what a joke your own military is -

Henry120:

Apparently, the South-Africans can't seem to quit embarrassing themselves and the rest of the continent!


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...-boat-20150327
27/3/15 - An SA navy vessel fired three rounds 'accidentally' at a South African fishing boat. Fortunately for the fishermen, it seems the Navy can't shoot..

404 - Page not found

Story has been taken down after a fact check

patches689:



Why are you so obsessed with the Su30?

O thats right - its the only plane in Africa that is a proper enemy for the Gripen.

"proper enemy for the Gripen" not really mate, the Gripen is superior in almost every aspect to the SU-30.

Henry120:


South-African Defence Force members


Ill-trained,
Ill-disciplined,
A complete and utter embarrassment to Africa.


* to think these people go un-punished shows how inept the SANDF is.

For exercising their constitutional right to strike?

What of your men?

- War Crimes in Liberia
- Massive looting and Arms dealing in Liberia
- Mass rapes in Liberia
- War crimes against nigerians in nigeria
- Hundreds fled boko haram on multiple occasions.

Footage of nigerian soldiers fighting each other MID-BATTLE

Those men have been punished in one way or another.

And training? You wanna talk training? South Africans are currently in Nigeria training you how to fight.

Come, lets talk training. Come at me rock-ape.

dragon2:
Crawford-Browne said evidence showed that Barclays Bank of England financed the acquisition of the BAE
Hawk and the BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft.
Commmerzbank of Germany financed the purchase of the four frigates and three submarines. Societe
Generale in France financed Thomson CSF combat suites in the German frigates. Mediocredito Centrale in
Italy backed the purchase of 30 Augusta helicopters.

SALOANDF
lol

iolmobile.co.za/#!/article/arms-deal-raped-sa-crawford-browne-1.1762047

Loans will have been paid off by 2018

We needed banks because we spent $4 Billion

You needed banks to scrape together $1 Billion

Henry120:




Yet these clowns claim they are getting 6 additional Frigates and OPV's

Bidding for the contracts closed today.

We are, its budgeted for.

Same with maritime patrol, medium lift, heavy weight torpedoes and a number of other things.

Henry120:


Oh lawd!!!!!!!!

So the Germans Fired 76mm's at a poor fisherman's boat

The incompetence of the SANDF now displayed to the whole world in full glare.

Story has been removed due to inaccuracies.

So, when the finished story is published, feel free to comment

Until then STFU

patches689:


Story has been removed due to inaccuracies.

So, when the finished story is published, feel free to comment

Until then STFU

m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/Navy-warship-fires-on-Cape-fishing-boat-20150327