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agaugust:
Nope, SANDF does NOT get free weapons form DENEL, you make purchase order, sign contract of sale, pay cash and buy.

You guys ruined DENEL financially few years ago with poor management at DENEL lost all it's cash, almost collapsed , and government had to pay cash for bail out. DENEL cannot, CANNOT afford to give away free missiles or equipment to SANDF.

Government ownership does NOT = Charitable organization like Red Cross !

Mokopa missile is NOT wanted by SANDF according to your own SAAF Brigadier General, who gave technical reasons, I psoted the long interview here from defenseweb. NO NEED TO REPEAT SAME STORY AGAIN AND AGAIN !

Mokopa missile NOT in service.

CASE CLOSED
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[size=20pt]HAHAHA!!

Look at him sulking!! Look how much these Nigerians fear the Mokopa!

During the border war Denel provided experimetal G6 howitzers (Juliet troop) free of charge for use in combat.

We can get things for free - because the government can bail it out again and again and again.

We have given you up to date 2015 photographic evidence mokopa is in service!![/size]

agaugust:
You have this craaazy idea that people own what does not belong to them.

Ford is an American company with branch in South Africa. Does it make Ford a Southie brand and product ?

Kia motors have opened factory to make cars in Nigeria, so does Nigeria now own Kia automobile brand ?

You must be insaane

Ford is an American product
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Hey liar

When you gunna show us that Ratel engines are german?

You think we forget about your lies? you satan!

agaugust:
Missile range of A-Darter is worse than IRIS-T.

SAAF A-Darter 20 km

NAF PL-9C BVR 35 km

Sorry, NAF has to shooot down all SAAF jets before you can launch any A-Darter.....Gripen/Hawk die from 35 km away
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How sad this is.

Ok, PL-9C has 35km range- but only 6km altitude. Gripen at 6.5km are safe.

You cannot argue! You say we must beleive the literal wording of the source like it is the word of god! Then fine! We do!

agaugust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LBn2S3mgjo

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Bwahahaahhahaha

South Africa had to bring a white-man, one of their apartheid masters to face Nigeria's black-man economic expert on technical issues, the black Soweto brains are so dull, their coloureds too so dumb....they always rely on the white man to save them.

Nigeria is Africa's black power !

We have the best brains, we don't get jobs by ANC type of BEE programme for putting people in top positons with their bottom level brains

Shame on you dullard blacks and cloured m.orons of South Africa....

Permanent dullards and dundee domingos
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You have the best minds?

Nigerian Nobel Prizes: 1
South African: 11

saengine:
Nigeria has no 35km air to air missile. Only in your head it is real. But let's pretend.....

A Darter is a 5th generation missile with self defence capability. PL-9 has NO/ZERO self defence capability. Gripen and Hawk will defend themselves and proceed to turn your F-7 jets into scrap metal. Only one dying will be F-7 pilots. Iris-T and A Darter....self defence capability. By the way...where are your JF-17's? You said you would have them by the time Denel starts producing A Darter for SAAF.


http://www.janes.com/article/50334/denel-gets-a-darter-production-contract

"Denel Dynamics was awarded a five-year production contract on 19 March by Armscor for the A-Darter air-to-air missile.

Developed under Project Kamas, the missile will initially arm the South African Air Force's (SAAF's) Saab Gripen C/D fighters, complementing the small batch of IRIS-T missiles acquired as interim armament from Diehl BGT Defence.

The A-Darter will also be integrated with the SAAF's Hawk Mk 120 jets, giving the advanced trainers a self-defence capability and allowing their use in some airspace patrol roles."


Game over. Find a hole to crawl into.

Ha!!

We shoot down the PLC-9 missiles with the A-darter.

And then shoot down the F-7's with the A-dart.

Love it

andrewza:
Does that matter. Denel is state owned. All so the only defence company to show there stuff was paramount. That means those mokape belong to the SANDF.

I'm not arguing with anything... All I was saying is that I didn't know we Made those here in S.A, I've usually seen trunks carrying the bridges and not Tanks. It doesn't matter whether it belongs to Denel or SANDF but the fact is its my first time seeing it.

Centrifude:
I'm not arguing with anything... All I was saying is that I didn't know we Made those here in S.A, I've usually seen trunks carrying the bridges and not Tanks. It doesn't matter whether it belongs to Denel or SANDF but the fact is its my first time seeing it.

Think he quoted you by mistake mate!

Centrifude:
I'm not arguing with anything... All I was saying is that I didn't know we Made those here in S.A, I've usually seen trunks carrying the bridges and not Tanks. It doesn't matter whether it belongs to Denel or SANDF but the fact is its my first time seeing it.

I quoted the wrong person. Sorry.

agaugust:
Nope, SANDF does NOT get free weapons form DENEL, you make purchase order, sign contract of sale, pay cash and buy.

You guys ruined DENEL financially few years ago with poor management at DENEL lost all it's cash, almost collapsed , and government had to pay cash for bail out. DENEL cannot, CANNOT afford to give away free missiles or equipment to SANDF.

Government ownership does NOT = Charitable organization like Red Cross !

Mokopa missile is NOT wanted by SANDF according to your own SAAF Brigadier General, who gave technical reasons, I psoted the long interview here from defenseweb. NO NEED TO REPEAT SAME STORY AGAIN AND AGAIN !

Mokopa missile NOT in service.

CASE CLOSED
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Do you know what cost price is? Denel does not need bail outs now it makeing the government lots of money.

agaugust:
You have this craaazy idea that people own what does not belong to them.

Ford is an American company with branch in South Africa. Does it make Ford a Southie brand and product ?

Kia motors have opened factory to make cars in Nigeria, so does Nigeria now own Kia automobile brand ?

You must be insaane

Ford is an American product
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They built In SA. Meaning we can build engines.

Centrifude:
Wow I didn't know we had Bridge deploying *TANKs* (O_o)

I remember last year when I was talking to an Intelligence Operative and a Parabat, and the Parabat was complaining about how they are the ones who always get shot at and killed while the Intelligence guys never do sh1t and that they just hide in the bushes and trees busy taking pictures and talking on their radios.

The scouts or intelligence units are rarely seen, their ops are top secret.

The bats are mostly deployed with their sf buddies.

EVarn:
number 4 superpower,doesnt mean number 4 military power.sulu gambari.

India is not number 4.

jln115:
Denel gets A-Darter production contract

http://www.janes.com/article/50334/denel-gets-a-darter-production-contract

A Pakistani order is expected.

Endless supply stream of missiles.

Centrifude:
I'm not arguing with anything... All I was saying is that I didn't know we Made those here in S.A, I've usually seen trunks carrying the bridges and not Tanks. It doesn't matter whether it belongs to Denel or SANDF but the fact is its my first time seeing it.

Without them and recovery variants the tanks are declared unoperational and used for training only.

MikeCZAR:
Without them and recovery variants the tanks are declared unoperational and used for training only.

Mainly the recovery version. Real bummer if you can't retrieve your tanks if they damaged.

MikeCZAR:
The scouts or intelligence units are rarely seen, their ops are top secret.

The bats are mostly deployed with their sf buddies.

And the the Intel guys. There where a few Intel guys in Banguie.

Patchesagain:
Hey

Chucklefuck

Algeria is not at the Rand show.

Its not an arms expo. Its a civilian fair.

All standard air shows around the world are civilian affairs, civilians buy weapons for military. Civilian government officials visit shows and see weapons on display to buy for their country's military.

Go to Paris air show and see 90% of the people there are civilians. Fool.

jln115:
"Looking for more customers like Ageria"

At a f@cking civilian show?

NEVER GO FULL RE.TARD!!!

Global air shows like the Paris and Dubai air shows display the latest jet fighters in the world, yet they are civilian shows.

Yes civilians manufacture weapons and market them at public shows. Civilians run standard defence industries.

Stop freaking yourself out mister man !

saengine:
Nigeria has no 35km air to air missile. Only in your head it is real. But let's pretend.....

A Darter is a 5th generation missile with self defence capability. PL-9 has NO/ZERO self defence capability. Gripen and Hawk will defend themselves and proceed to turn your F-7 jets into scrap metal. Only one dying will be F-7 pilots. Iris-T and A Darter....self defence capability. By the way...where are your JF-17's? You said you would have them by the time Denel starts producing A Darter for SAAF.


http://www.janes.com/article/50334/denel-gets-a-darter-production-contract

"Denel Dynamics was awarded a five-year production contract on 19 March by Armscor for the A-Darter air-to-air missile.

Developed under Project Kamas, the missile will initially arm the South African Air Force's (SAAF's) Saab Gripen C/D fighters, complementing the small batch of IRIS-T missiles acquired as interim armament from Diehl BGT Defence.

The A-Darter will also be integrated with the SAAF's Hawk Mk 120 jets, giving the advanced trainers a self-defence capability and allowing their use in some airspace patrol roles."


Game over. Find a hole to crawl into.

Yes Game over for SAAF, your jets and A-Darter get roasted mid-air by NAF from 35 km BVR range away. The A-Darter fuel and explosive will add to the burning of your Gripen and Hawks in the mid-air oven and furnace.

jln115:
"PL-9C BVR 35 km"
Your quoting the ground based missile.
The PC-9 air to air missile has a range of 22km

"A-Darter 20 km"
Still not confirmed but lets take it as 20km.

For someone who claims he is a defence expert, you ought to know that the range of a missile doesnt mean f@ck if it is easily countered.
The A-Darter is a fifth generation missile and one of the best , if not thee best in its class.

So you might think, what are the advantages of a fifth gen missile?

The latest generation of short-range missiles again defined by advances in seeker technologies, this time electro-optical imaging infrared (IIR) seekers that allow the missiles to "see" images rather than single "points" of infrared radiation (heat). The sensors combined with more powerful digital signal processing provide the following benefits:

greater infrared counter countermeasures (IRCCM) ability, by being able to distinguish aircraft from infrared countermeasures (IRCM) such as flares.
greater sensitivity means greater range and ability to identify smaller low flying targets such as UAVs.
more detailed target image allows targeting of more vulnerable parts of aircraft instead of just homing in on the brightest infrared source (exhaust).

Ground and air launched PL-9C missiles are the same size, same misile, same fuel load, same speed, same shape, same specifications, same name PL-9C......nothing like PL-9D or PL-9E.....nothing like one for air one for land, all are same name PL-9C same product , same fuel, same range, fuel load determines range of an missile. Fact of basic science.

Your 5th generation missile A-Darter will die before launch with your SAAF pilot, both your jet and the Darter missile will be b.lown to pieces by F-7 jet PL-9C missile even before your pilot can fire his short-legged 20 km range freaking A-Darter missile, NAF PL-9C kills from 35 km away and the PL-9C specs have 90% kill-probability.

NAF flies safely outside the freaking 20 km range of your freaking A-Darter missile......bad luck for SAAF !

According to South Africans, weapon range does not matter when it is Nigeria that has the range advantage. Freaking fools, your air force is dead in the air when you face NAF.....you have to learn now that we are your air masters. Go hug electricity transformer, it's an easier way to commit suicide than getting b.lown out of the sky by Nigerian air force BVR missiles !

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jln115:
Firstly Denel never gave free weapons to the SANDF

Cool ! Then show us when SANDF paid for purchase of Mokopa, purchase order, contracts, proof of payment.

jln115:
Secondly the Government never bailed Denel out!

Freaking liar !

"Since 2001, Denel has been making huge losses and needed government bailouts. Between 2006 and 2009, the company lost nearly R2.8bn.

The government had to bail out Denel to the tune of Rands 3.5 billion between 2006 and 2008 ."

http://www.thenewage.co.za/mobi/Detail.aspx?NewsID=25337&CatID=9

I force you to swallow the truth about your own country ! Liar !
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agaugust:
[s]Ground and air launched PL-9C missiles are the same size, same misile, same fuel load, same speed, same shape, same specifications, same name PL-9C......nothing like PL-9D or PL-9E.....nothing like one for air one for land, all are same name PL-9C same product , same fuel, same range, fuel load determines range of an missile. Fact of basic science.[/s]

Your 5th generation missile A-Darter will die before launch with your SAAF pilot, both your jet and the Darter missile will be b.lown to pieces by F-7 jet PL-9C missile even before your pilot can fire his short-legged 20 km range freaking A-Darter missile, NAF PL-9C kills from 35 km away and the PL-9C specs have 90% kill-probability.

[s]NAF flies safely outside the freaking 20 km range of your freaking A-Darter missile......bad luck for SAAF !

According to South Africans, weapon range does not matter when it is Nigeria that has the range advantage. Freaking fools, your air force is dead in the air when you face NAF.....you have to learn now that we are your air masters. Go hug electricity transformer, it's an easier way to commit suicide than getting b.lown out of the sky by Nigerian air force BVR missiles ![/s]

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As you have been shown A Darter and Iris-T are self defence missiles. PL-9C is NOT a self defence missile. NAF has no means to defend itself. I know this eats at you, and makes you jealous. SAAF has 5th generation self defence air-air missiles. We can defend ourselves, and use the same missiles to attack. Deal with it.


http://www.janes.com/article/50334/denel-gets-a-darter-production-contract

"Developed under Project Kamas, the missile will initially arm the South African Air Force's (SAAF's) Saab Gripen C/D fighters, complementing the small batch of IRIS-T missiles acquired as interim armament from Diehl BGT Defence.

The A-Darter will also be integrated with the SAAF's Hawk Mk 120 jets, giving the advanced trainers a self-defence capability and allowing their use in some airspace patrol roles."

Patchesagain:
Augustus. This is truly getting pathetic.

I admire your efforts to defend your obsolete military, but it is really boring.

Our 14 thales radars have longer range than your RASIT system. Their intergration into LinkZA has allready been posted many times. And they are practically invisible.

Your Rolands and Shilka are not ground observation radars.

Your Rolands and Shilka are easy to detect - both visually and by the signals they send out.

Your Rolands and Shilka do not share information with command posts and each other - they can only see what is happening in their tiny bubble.

Your military has no situational awareness, no ground based ISTAR, no data-sharing.

We have dedicated platforms such as Starstreak and CRAM which do the killing - both of which are intergrated into LinkZA

In terms of mobile air-search radar Nigeria is 1000 years behind the SANDF. In terms of ground based ISTAR 30 years behind the SANDF - and with only 2 units to our 14!!

Patchesagain:
Your rant reminds me of my 8 year old nephew when he doesnt get his way.

Your air search radars are ancient nodes and do not have synergy. They are obsolete and ancient.


Nigeria only has individual assets you do not have an intergrated system that brings together ground and air radar search platforms, targetting systems, air defence systems, artillery systems, aircraft and army formations.

Your military is an obsolete 1980's army.

SIPRI says Nigeria and South Africa are both loaded with 1980s generation 30 year old radars !


Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 2014
Note: The ÔNo. delivered/producedÕ and the ÔYear(s) of deliveriesÕ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ÔCommentsÕ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 04 April 2015


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments



United Kingdom
R: South Africa 12 AR-3D Air search radar 1981 (12) $64 m 'Operation Rodent' deal; officially delivered for air-traffic control
(1) S-711 Air search radar 1985 (1)


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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Patchesagain:
[size=16pt]According to the SANDF they have been upgraded in the 2000's.[/size]

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You upgraded the vehicles and carriers, plus some apparatus.

Still the same old freaking 1981 radar used by SANDF in 2015

Nigeria too reguloarly upgrade radars, even up to year 2010.

"Modernization of Air Traffic Management facilities has been on over the years. This effort is to enhance the level of safety within the nation’s airspace. Among such modernization are TRACON project, Safe Tower projects and many more. This, among others, has enhanced the level of service delivery of the Agency tremendously over the years."

https://www.nama.gov.ng/load.php?pg=111

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agaugust:
Ground and air launched PL-9C missiles are the same size, same misile, same fuel load, same speed, same shape, same specifications, same name PL-9C......nothing like PL-9D or PL-9E.....nothing like one for air one for land, all are same name PL-9C same product , same fuel, same range, fuel load determines range of an missile. Fact of basic science.

Your 5th generation missile A-Darter will die before launch with your SAAF pilot, both your jet and the Darter missile will be b.lown to pieces by F-7 jet PL-9C missile even before your pilot can fire his short-legged 20 km range freaking A-Darter missile, NAF PL-9C kills from 35 km away and the PL-9C specs have 90% kill-probability.

NAF flies safely outside the freaking 20 km range of your freaking A-Darter missile......bad luck for SAAF !

According to South Africans, weapon range does not matter when it is Nigeria that has the range advantage. Freaking fools, your air force is dead in the air when you face NAF.....you have to learn now that we are your air masters. Go hug electricity transformer, it's an easier way to commit suicide than getting b.lown out of the sky by Nigerian air force BVR missiles !

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At the end of the twist NAF can't deploy its airframes in a contested air space.

The ground launched PL-9 called DK-9 is different from what you have which the old 3rd Generation PL-9C.

Similar to how the DK-10 is not the PL-12.

Avoid further humiliation by refraining from making this claim again.

agaugust:
Yes Game over for SAAF, your jets and A-Darter get roasted mid-air by NAF from 35 km BVR range away. The A-Darter fuel and explosive will add to the burning of your Gripen and Hawks in the mid-air oven and furnace.




Ground and air launched PL-9C missiles are the same size, same misile, same fuel load, same speed, same shape, same specifications, same name PL-9C......nothing like PL-9D or PL-9E.....nothing like one for air one for land, all are same name PL-9C same product , same fuel, same range, fuel load determines range of an missile. Fact of basic science.

Your 5th generation missile A-Darter will die before launch with your SAAF pilot, both your jet and the Darter missile will be b.lown to pieces by F-7 jet PL-9C missile even before your pilot can fire his short-legged 20 km range freaking A-Darter missile, NAF PL-9C kills from 35 km away and the PL-9C specs have 90% kill-probability.

NAF flies safely outside the freaking 20 km range of your freaking A-Darter missile......bad luck for SAAF !

According to South Africans, weapon range does not matter when it is Nigeria that has the range advantage. Freaking fools, your air force is dead in the air when you face NAF.....you have to learn now that we are your air masters. Go hug electricity transformer, it's an easier way to commit suicide than getting b.lown out of the sky by Nigerian air force BVR missiles !

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According to your stats the max altitude is 6km - its there right in your picture

If the 35km max range is not open for interpritation

Then the 6km max altitude is not open for interpretation


Also, A-darter can intercept your missiles and you cannot evade the A-darter

agaugust:
Cool ! Then show us when SANDF paid for purchase of Mokopa, purchase order, contracts, proof of payment.



Freaking liar !

"Since 2001, Denel has been making huge losses and needed government bailouts. Between 2006 and 2009, the company lost nearly R2.8bn.

The government had to bail out Denel to the tune of Rands 3.5 billion between 2006 and 2008 ."

http://www.thenewage.co.za/mobi/Detail.aspx?NewsID=25337&CatID=9

I force you to swallow the truth about your own country ! Liar !
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Call the SANDF accounting department if you want such

2015 pictures confirm - Mokopa in service!!

Look at the Nigerians sweat!!

agaugust:
SIPRI says Nigeria and South Africa are both loaded with 1980s generation 30 year old radars !


Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 2014
Note: The ÔNo. delivered/producedÕ and the ÔYear(s) of deliveriesÕ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ÔCommentsÕ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 04 April 2015


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments



United Kingdom
R: South Africa 12 AR-3D Air search radar 1981 (12) $64 m 'Operation Rodent' deal; officially delivered for air-traffic control
(1) S-711 Air search radar 1985 (1)


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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You can keep repeating yourself

Fact is that the AR-3D was upgraded in the 2000's

Fact is that it is not our only air-search radar

agaugust:
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You upgraded the vehicles and carriers, plus some apparatus.

Still the same old freaking 1981 radar used by SANDF in 2015

Nigeria too reguloarly upgrade radars, even up to year 2010.

"Modernization of Air Traffic Management facilities has been on over the years. This effort is to enhance the level of safety within the nation’s airspace. Among such modernization are TRACON project, Safe Tower projects and many more. This, among others, has enhanced the level of service delivery of the Agency tremendously over the years."

https://www.nama.gov.ng/load.php?pg=111

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Who said we upgraded only apperatus and carriers and not the radar?

You say it is still 1980's tech?

ok - then F-7 is 1960's tech

#EquationBalanced

Patchesagain:
You have the best minds?

Nigerian Nobel Prizes: 1
South African: 11

Only 2 South African blacks have ever won Nobel price, and ZERO for intellectual brain work.

Bishop Tutu is a church man fighting against apartheid to get Nobel price.

Mandela is an activist jailed for fighting against apartheid. Same with Albert Luthuli.

Nigeria's Professor Soyinka won Nobel price as a university professor who excelled in academic brain work that shocked the white nations.

All the other 8 South African Nobel price winners are white

No South African black man can ever win Nobel prize for brain work and academic intelligence like a Nigerian.....we are smarter than you !

South Africa depends on white-men's brains to survive.....ALL your academic Nobel price winners are white men
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agaugust:
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"Modernization of Air Traffic Management facilities has been on over the years. This effort is to enhance the level of safety within the nation’s airspace. Among such modernization are TRACON project, Safe Tower projects and many more. This, among others, has enhanced the level of service delivery of the Agency tremendously over the years."

https://www.nama.gov.ng/load.php?pg=111

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You talking about civilian air traffic controll?

So what?

agaugust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LBn2S3mgjo
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Bwahahaahhahaha
South Africa had to bring a white-man, one of their apartheid masters to face Nigeria's black-man economic expert on technical issues, the black Soweto brains are so dull, their coloureds too so dumb....they always rely on the white man to save them.
Nigeria is Africa's black power !
We have the best brains, we don't get jobs by ANC type of BEE programme for putting people in top positons with their bottom level brains
Shame on you dullard blacks and cloured m.orons of South Africa....
Permanent dullards and dundee domingos
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hehehe....what else do you expect from the black socio-economic slaves of south africa?.

agaugust:
Only 2 South African blacks have ever won Nobel price, and ZERO for intellectual brain work.

Bishop Tutu is a church man fighting against apartheid to get Nobel price.

Mandela is an activist jailed for fighting against apartheid.

Nigeria's Professor Soyinka won Nobel price as a university professor who excelled in academic brain work that shocked the white nations.

All the other 9 South African Nobel price winners are white

No South African black man can ever win Nobel prize for brain work and academic intelligence like a Nigerian.....we are smarter than you !
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So what does race have to do with it?

I said 11 South Africans won the Nobel prize - this statement is 100% correct

Nigeria only has 1 - this statement is 100% correct