stonecoldcafe:
I knew a fellow who attended another church (he was a leader) but went to the fellowship then. During a meeting, for some reason they were asked who didn't worship @ CE. This fellow lifted his hand up and that was where the problem started. LOL

That same day his deputy took over and people began to shun him. VERY WEIRD you'd agree for just a fellowship. All these things along with the TB Joshua saga then,separating man from wife in the guise of pastoring a church and people thinking this is great, masturbation is not a sin, immorality by senior members and members alike, Pastors separation and allegation by Pastor Anita, Pastor Chris washing his wife publicly (in that tape) and so much more makes me wonder about that Church. Something about it leaves me with more question. Oh well each to their own!

stonecoldcafe:
Op I believe you. I will make my humble submission and bow out. I'm not here to argue or trade words with anyone.

Pastor Chris is a man I always admired. While I was still @ the university, I attended the fellowship but after a month or two I had to flee. Now this is very personal. No one annoyed me or said anything but I just felt deep in my heart I was not in the right place. Shortly afterwards I got admission to a better school with a better course and left.

I had good friends who remained there. They grew up the ranks and became leaders and pastors in the church. Now here is where it gets funny. I recall one of such people becoming really distant. I tried to fill the gap but NO WAY. It was not just me but other friends who noticed it. Even her siblings became worried.

This friend was like a fanatic n the person said things we couldn't understand "I'm a god haha! I am above you. You don't understand, I walk through walls. I'm invisible haha! (Burst into tongues) my pastor said ..."

You could not reason with this person on any wave length. I knew someone else who was GREATLY persecuted for choosing to marry a fellow believer from another church. I knew another person who was totally shunned by ALL. I'm talking close friends in CE leaders and pastors just because he said God has given him a mandate to open his own church.

By the way the above brother was a fanatic, Pastor Chris talking, jerry curl hair and all that yet all that didn't save him once he claimed God had called him.

WinsomeX:
Gombs, can you list out whatever grouse you have with this thread in a serial manner: 1,2,3,... and let's treat them one after the other. That way our readers can both understand us and there can be some order in the discussion.

I have stated why I believe your church is a cult. You could then state what and what in my discussion does not support this assertion.

Can we try that, please?

Believers’ LoveWorld, It’s a place, Where we share God’s love, Reaching out, With peace and love, Making plain God’s plan for all, Believers’ LoveWorld, Building a happier, World with love;

Believers’ LoveWorld, Giving your life a meaning, All we know is a life of giving, Love is shared abroad, In our heart, Believers’ LoveWorld, Building a happier, World with love;

Believers’ LoveWorld, we are one big family, you’re my sister, you’re my brother, There’s no difference, in our midst, Believers’ LoveWorld, Building a happier, World with love;

Gombs:
Just saw this. It's a good read, and I'm not through, but I gotta sleep bro.

Tomorrow is a good day to tackle your points, assuming you made any.

Cc:
Mbaemeka,kenny4lyf, nlmediator,image123

@WinsomeX aka drummaboy
Conclusion
It was difficult for me to conclude that CEC is a cult but having read Walter Martins, I couldn't help but do so. Christ
Embassy members claim to win souls for Christ but the truth is that they are making these people twice the son of hell
that they really are. This is a desperate call to our youths in this church to leave it and find some other bible church to
go to.
I will stop here for now.

Having gone through your the first few posts of your thread, I might as well suggest that you change your title to "The WOF Church Is a Cult". Reason is, I see this thread going the same path as the infamous WOF (which started as a anti-CE thread).

The points you highlighted will simply be dealt with...
Your conclusion though!
**rib cracking**

Kenny4lyfe:


Having gone through your the first few posts of your thread, I might as well suggest that you change your title to "The WOF Church Is a Cult". Reason is, I see this thread going the same path as the infamous WOF (which started as a anti-CE thread).

The points you highlighted will simply be dealt with...
Your conclusion though!
**rib cracking**

WinsomeX:


The topic remains.

I hope you return to deal with the points as you promised bc if you really do, you will not find anything funny about all these.

My threads are not for jokes; my posts are never funny; they are matters of eternity. I pray you find grace to understand.

WinsomeX:
^^^

Very well, Gombs. I will accept it that you have responded to my question and queries alright.

At the risk of sounding repetitive, can you please tell me in a nutshell what the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ is? Of course, after you return from church.

Joagbaje:
It's not only Christ embassy that's a cult. Christianity is a cult.

Joagbaje:
It's not only Christ embassy that's a cult . Christianity is a cult.

MuttleyLaff:

There is cult, and there is cult
Is this an attempt to "get the dirt off" Christ embassy so Christ embassy can come up smelling of roses?

Kenny4lyfe:


Ok!
I'm not joking either!
Trust me, this thread us gonna end like the WOF thread did! That, my friend, is a FACT!

WinsomeX:
As we continue the study of Christ Embassy being a cult, my hope is that the readers understand that my reference to the CEC being a cult is not in that extreme manner of a group of people who make covenants in blood and hold meetings at night. This is the reason I refused to respond to an earlier comment where an individual resorted to the dictionary to define what a cult should be. I am not doing dictionary definition of cultism here. I am looking at cults as defined by Walter Martins in his book The Kingdom of the Cults and with reference to how the bible sees them.

Apart from the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Christian Science, Dr Martins also did a study of many other cult groups, including the New Age movement, etc. I was very surprised to find Word of Faith listed as a cult in the Appendix of the book although my surprise was only a confirmation of something I have long suspected.

Joagbaje has commented on this thread with a seeming witty statement that Christianity could as well be a cult if CEC is one. Like a responder said to him, such a comment cannot detract from the matter on ground.

Dr Walter Martin was a sound evangelical Christian. His theological persuasion were derived from orthodox Protestant theologies, deeply rooted in the Reformed Tradition. He was not a Pentecostal and he did not list Pentecostalism as a cult in his book. In fact he did not include WoF as a cult in the original version of his book. But his followers deemed it fit to include WoF as cultic after his death and that's why it is listed in the appendix of the book.

Quite naturally the thought of CEC being a cult sounds distasteful and I'm certain even some that are my friends in this forum may think that my assertion is a little on the extreme but shall we consider the evidences before us without bias and shall we not take heed lest this false doctrine creep into our homes and into the lives of our children? Shall we permit a modern day Nigerian Jimmy Jones tragedy before we speak out?

Another person has shared on this thread how people he knows suddenly become "new creatures" the moment they imbibe CEC doctrines into their lives. With thinking of "I'm a god", "I can fly", "I can do all things", "the world is mine", "I do everything for the money", etc, replete in their thoughts and words.

I would continue the discuss as I try to retrieve salient quotes from Dr Martins on the cultist mental state, so that you can understand the CEC member next door even better.

Cheers.

- WX.

CRI has had an official position on the subject, it has been that Christians should tithe. Walter Martin’s answer to this question was a resounding yes.

He cited Hebrews 7:8–9 as proof, arguing that just as Abraham, who was before the Law of Moses, paid tithes to Melchizadek (a type of Christ), so we who were “in his loins” as his children through faith (even as the text says Abraham’s grandson Levi was in his loins) should properly pay tithes to Christ.

Current CRI president Hank Hanegraaff has not been as vocal about tithing as was Martin, but in an upcoming book he will take the position that tithing is for today.

He cites, among other things, the fact that Jacob tithed to God long before Moses (Gen. 28:22), and long after Moses, Jesus reaffirmed tithing even while censuring the Pharisees for their meticulous practice of it to the neglect of the weightier matters of religion (Matthew 23:23).

WinsomeX:
JEHOVAH WITNESSES by Walter Martins

A Brief History

Charles Taze Russell was the founder of what is now known as the Jehovah’s Witnesses cult and the energetic administrator that brought about its far-flung organisation. The name Jehovah’s Witnesses, incidentally, was taken at Columbus, Ohio, in 1931, to differentiate between the Watchtower organisation run by Judge Rutherford, Russell’s successor, and those who remained as true followers of Russell as represented by The Dawn Bible Students and the Laymen’s Home Missionary Movement. C. T. Russell was born on February 16, 1852, the son of Joseph L. and Anna Eliza Russell, and spent most of his early years in Pittsburgh and Allegheny, Pennsylvania, where at the age of twenty-five he was known to be manager of several men’s furnishings stores. At an early age he rejected the doctrine of eternal torment, probably because of the severe indoctrination he had received as a Congregationalist, and as a result of this act entered upon a long and varied career of denunciation aimed at "Organised Religions." In 1870, at the age of eighteen, Russell organised a Bible class in Pittsburgh, which in 1876 elected him "Pastor" of the group. From 1876 to 1878 the "Pastor" was assistant editor of a small Rochester, New York, monthly magazine, but he resigned when a controversy arose over Russell’s counterarguments on "the atonement" of Christ. Shortly after leaving his position, Russell founded The Herald of the Morning (1879), which developed into today’s The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom. From 6,000 initial issues, the publication has grown to 17.8 million copies per month in 106 languages.

The other Watchtower periodical, Awake!, has a circulation of 15.6 million per month in thirty-four languages. It is true that this magazine has grown until it has surpassed even Russell’s fondest dreams. In the year 1884, "Pastor" Russell incorporated "Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society" at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, which in 1886 published the first in a series of seven books (Russell wrote six by himself), now entitled Studies in the Scriptures and originally published as The Millennial Dawn. The seventh volume was edited from his writings after his death and published in 1917. This seventh volume, The Finished Mystery, caused a split in the organisation, which culminated in a clean division, the larger group following J. F. Rutherford, the smaller remaining by itself. This smaller group subsequently became "The Dawn Bible Students Association." Meanwhile, under Rutherford’s leadership, the "Society" became known by its present common name, "Jehovah’s Witnesses," and its corporate name, The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, with its international office in Brooklyn, New York. According to Watchtower statistics, in January 1981, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (founded 1896), which is the focal point of the organisation, had known branches in more than 100 lands and missionary works and Kingdom preaching in over 250. Its literature is distributed in 110 languages, and the Society’s volunteers (called "publishers" numbered 563,453. The Society has become a great disseminator of propaganda and a challenge to the zeal of every Christian.

In the year 1908 the headquarters of the movement was transferred to Brooklyn, New York, where property was purchased (17 Hicks Street) and became known as "The Brooklyn Tabernacle." Large tracts of property were purchased by the Society in Columbia Heights as it grew and prospered, until today whole blocks are in their possession. Among the other things the Society owns are a large, up-to-date printing plant, which has produced billions of pieces of literature since its inauguration in 1928 and expansions in 1949 and 1957; a modern apartment building and office quarters; one "Kingdom Farm," which supplies food, wood for furniture, etc.; a Bible school, "Gilead"; and many more enterprises of like character. All employees in the factory are allowed a nominal sum, receive room and board, and work for nothing—no salaries are paid (although workers are given a small amount of spending money each month for incidental personal expenses and purchases—a few years ago that amount was fourteen dollars per month).

WinsomeX:
THE FALSE GOSPEL OF CHRIST EMBASSY

The gospel that the Christ Embassy Church teaches is a gospel of man. It is a gospel me, myself and I. It is a gospel where God is the errand boy and man is the central theme, not God or his Christ.

The true gospel points at God's solution to redeeming human kind from sin. In the process of this happening, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is exalted and his Son who brought our salvation is sitted at the right hand of the Father, receiving as all glory. So that having spoken about the gospel and what Christ has done, Paul cannot but conclude by stating the doxology:

Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

It is all to God's glory.

For Christ Embassy and other cults like it, it is all to man's glory. That's why the central of every message is about man and how his needs can be met. About man's healing, promotion, success, breakthrough, etc.

The gospel of the Christ Embassy is essentially a prosperity gospel but it has been taken to even a crass level, deeper than what the originators, Hagin and co, planned it to be. The Christ Embassy now find its version of their gospel from the doctrine and lifestyle of their founder, Chris Oyakhilome. And since Chris' life is upside down right now, we cannot expect for members of the church to be right side up.

The Christ Embassy Church is a relic of a prosperity church that finds its relevance from the noise making that they call music ministry. They spend hours praying in tongues without giving one second to knowing the meaning of what they say. They revel in false testimonies of members who must lie to each other, claiming that the lie they preach to each other is working. And they continue all of these in a closed system where only themselves know that they are lying to each other and where they know they are neck deep in a cult they find extremely difficult to come out of.

Gombs tell us about some "liquid love" of Christ as the gospel of Jesus. What he will not tell you is that that phrase is one of the high sounding but meaningless terms that Oyakhilome uses to hoodwink his followers to continue in the cult slavery. God's love is God's love. Scripture has no record of a "liquid love" anywhere.

You may wish to revert to page 0 and see a brief history of how cults are made to realize that the CEC is a made cult.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is not about man and his needs. It is about God and his glory. That glory is what is shown forth in Christ redeeming man from sin. So that the redeemed man can never boast in himself but spend life and eternity thanking God and giving him all glory.

Next, I will begin discussing Dr Martins analysis of the cultist mindset so we may understand why a poster had earlier explained that some CEC members suddenly become distant when they are fully inculcated into the cult of CEC. What the whole "I'm a god..." nonsense is all about. BTW, "I'm god" is a frequently used term by Mormons also.

Joagbaje:
It's not only Christ embassy that's a cult . Christianity is a cult.

Christianity is a cult indeed

*We eat flesh;
*We drink blood;
*We speak in tongues (which is gibberish to the spiritually unlearned);
*We call forth things that be not as though they were ('cus we've come to understand that all things were made by the spoken word);
*We are so addicted to our belief such that it has become the air we breathe, the clothe we wear and the food we eat and we are resolute that nothing- not tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, unclothedness, sword, peril nor a dead on arrival thread by someone with a personal vendetta would stop us. and;
*We are led by God's spirit.
What more can I say?
We are unstoppable jor!!!!

Gombs,
First tithing is not exclusive to evangelicals. Even Catholicism teaches it
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14741b.htm
SDAs too
So for Walter Martin to have believed and taught it and yet label WOF as cultic means the distinction between tithing and WOF was clear to him.

There is something you mentioned up there to the effect that marriages within membership are strongly encouraged to 'prevent clash of doctrines' and you gave example of a Catholic and a CEC lady marrying.

Please tell me whether there are doctrines peculiar to CEC and not other evangelical churches like say RCCG, and if marriages between members of CEC and other evangelical churches are frowned upon.

Thanks buddy

Kenny4lyfe:


Christianity is a cult indeed

*We eat flesh;
*We drink blood;
*We speak in tongues (which is gibberish to the spiritually unlearned);
*We call forth things that be not as though they were ('cus we've come to understand that all things were made by the spoken word);
*We are so addicted to our belief such that it has become the air we breathe, the clothe we wear and the food we eat and we are resolute that nothing- not tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, unclothedness, sword, peril nor a dead on arrival thread by someone with a personal vendetta would stop us. and;
*We are led by God's spirit.
What more can I say?
We are unstoppable jor!!!!

vooks:
Is WOF cultic?
Please make a point of examining the sources shared by Winsomex. Appendix B titled the Word Faith Movement paragraph 4.

The reason I asked about marriages is because that is the hallmark of cults; exclusivism. They are the only custodians of truth and outside is just ignorance and deception.

I don't know of ANY pentecostal church that frowns upon members marrying other pentecostals and it came as a surprise that CEC actively discourages that bro.

I find it decidedly convenient that you keep on throwing examples of Catholicism and JW,obvious sectarian organizations. Catholics derives their doctrine/authority from Scriptures AND Tradition;JW from their own translation of scriptures AND Watchtower Society. These two are clearly incompatible with Pentecostalism. But what about RCCG?

Once again, what's the risk of Gombs marrying an RCCG girl? By actively encouraging 'inbreeding' while being indifferent to inter-sects marriages, they are clearly DISCOURAGING such

A more relevant question is, what's so WRONG with a fine RCCG damsel?

vfactor:

I don't see how any of what you mentioned above proves the witnesses are a cult. You just given a brief history of their modern day development. I should believe that someone raising such controversal issue should at least have basic logical reasoning and persuasive thinking. But to my uttermost disappointment, it is brazenly lacking. You just read and swallow hook, line and sinker, without asking the simplest questions.