₦airaland Forum

uzolexis:
With the comments i'm seeing here, Nigerian history should be taught in schools and I mean real Nigerian history and not d lies pple r plundering everywhere. I recommend a documentary on Nigerian history by Jide olarenwaju (he's yoruba so we can't say he's biased based on tribal sentiments). That's the most accurate story of Nigerian history i've seen. He said the truth as it happened not favoring any tribe or person. I'll post the link ltr.

Omalicha, pls i am waiting for the link... pls try to copy me when you post it

jogojogo:
Then why not live in the North and drag them to court for killing igbo sons and daughters?

Who made an unguarded comment? An Oba not an Emir. And for your information igbos live in the north.

it's rather unfortunate n appalling dat an Oba culdnt have envisaged de ramifications of de words dat proceed frm his mouth, atleast by virtue of his occupation of dat exalted stool. the Yoruba nation hav no right watsoever to blame the Igbos for their reactions or to dictate to them how to react in de face of such unwarranted n witless threat! One wuld expect dat they atleast show their acclaimed enlightenment n civility by holding Oba Akiolu responsible for his careless utterance and duely punish him for such unbecoming behaviour n for bringing such infamy, shame n disgrace to the sanctity of de stool by unsitting him! BTW,wat bizness has an Oba with mingling so deep in politics?!!! nigerians shuld learn to hold ppl responsible for their actions! Oba or no Oba NONSENSE!!!!! RUBBISH!!!!! dat's wat i expected of dis Oodua of a ppl...nt coming here to reel out jaundiced history dat no one really cares abt

ekiloui:
And it isn't enlightening because it's not from a Yoruba stand point? That's rather hypocritical of u.

The vengeful thing is coming to read the politics section of NL and seeing your tribe insulted, degraded and mocked every single day. Now that's vengeful

And these insults, degradation and mockery is done by only one tribe? I am not a tribalist and if you can be patient and go through some of my posts you will know I'm not.

However, if you just for a minute read the article all over with an open mind then you'll maybe see things a bit from my perspective.

bismark007:
true talk

Yoruba got billionaire let me say 10 in each south west state and they can not develop their community their wait for federal allocation for e very little thing they do,
In my small village in the east a biz man tiled road that led to his house av seen the same in Lagos here
These industrialist and billionaire as you call them have villages let them develop it the people in their areas should feel their presence

bismark007:
the last time I checked.the southwest has the lowest level of poverty in nigeria according to the NBS. u have never won a war which the southwest is involved.u surrendered 35 yrs ago to those lazy people.

Dats y we re not giving up now, u guys are busy making war chants, at least this time d war won't be fought on d East but on the west in Lagos, anybody dat wants to die wud die, investors wud run, state of emergency wud be declared, at least there is a lot of things in Lagos dat one dynamite can help ... d baby who says the mother will not sleep, won't sleep too.

Terenceike:
Keep laughing at your stupidity, all fingers are crossed waiting for the post Lagos election result

I am a student of history and history is very subjective depending on the chronicler. If your opinions about the Nigerian Civil War was formed by reading "There was a country" and "Half of a Yellow Sun" and listening to relatives of "Biafran" soldiers who fought in the war, you can't claim to know the entirety of what happened. Some people fought and died on the other side believing they were doing the right thing and defending their country.

Believe it or not, history has two sides: what the chronicler has said, and what really happened (the truth). We really need to forgive and forget and move on in this country. It is almost 50 years since the war was over.

I don't engage in abuse so I'll let the "stupidity" comment slide.

Ymodulus:
I think I will start by trying to be Anthropomorphic, as it will bet express my heading.
Its really sad when insanity realizes that he has a mental disorder then he is as good as cured. The moment a people come to terms with their complex problem which often place them at loggerheads with their host communities the better for them.

I seem not to fathom how a tribe claim to have suffered humiliations and deprivation from other ethnic nationalities. This allegation should be consider very weighty even though it was not substantiated. Nonetheless, this aggrieved ethnic nationality needs to ask herself what is about it that could be responsible for the purported hostile acts of other ethnic nationalities toward it.

One problem I have with Chimanda is all her articles tends to quote Chinua Achebe, even when its evident chinua actions are wrong. The sane mistake she made, about his book "there was a country". Now she is trying to say that the Igbo's were murdered in early 1960's for political reasons? Who started the war? Was it the Nigerian Arny or The late Ojukwu ? I see Chimabda is biased. And she is just a staunt re-echoer of Chinua Achebe's belief.


I liked the fact that she related the massacre of the Ibos in different parts of the country before the civil war. However what I do like to ask her is this,

1. chimanda was there nothing that led to the massacre?

You can't deny that the tendency to dominate in another man's land which is being exhibited now by taking the Oba to court is what led to such. Tell me when you come back from court if the people of Lagos will still have a good relationship with the Ibos.


Chimanda while trying to play a neutral ground at the surface, is been biased deep down. I am sorry to say but if Chimanda spent her time writing this, she wasted that time. As this just further lowered NY respect for her as an internationally recognised writer. Novel is her thing not politics.

Just imagine how shez is spreading lies about 1960s massacre. Posterity Judge you.

Are you serious? So if one's landlord threatened ones life I shouldn't take him or her to court?

Secondly as a Nigerian everyone had a right to live any where!!! It's not a favour! the thing is the fact you think it's a favour to allow any tribe live in any state already shows your logic is flawed from inception!!!!

I won't bother trading words with you because rather than make a single point you tried to show Chimanda as being biased without dispassionately looking at the points she raised

realjoker:
well said
please let all stop this religious and tribal hatred we are all one, i know there is still a long way to go.
let call a spade a spade it is not proper to call Lagos a know mans land and No law-abiding Nigerian should be expected to show
gratitude for living peacefully in any part of Nigeria.

pls we ar nt One,we ar different tribes,culture.Ghana as a country wat is their population?
If it is North dt has dis Oil
So ar u telling me dt dis country will still one
Watch me today go and mark it
Buhari has nothing to offer
Who ar dose dt brought him power,they ar criminal,can he fight dem
Can he jail dem?
He can't so wat corruption
Just recall Jonathan administration was fustrated wit insecurity, Buhari Administration can also fustrate wit Militanty
Watch out and see!
Is only one solution we have in dis country
Resource control!
Dat is all
Everybody should go bk to his state and delovep his state and then pay tax to d Fedral Govt
U will see all dis do and die election and political post will stop witout dt nothing we ar noting anyone

ehie:
@ chidima's article.its nothing new.its still the same victim mentality packaged differently. Let's go back into the history Igbo love some much
1.Nzeogwu murdered the prime minister and president. The Igbo leaders were spared.
2.agunyi irons an Igbo was installed nzegwu was given paddy paddy justice.
3.igbos taunted hausas in kano wearing t shirts and even made songs at the coup.
All these led to anti Igbo feelings and then the declaration by ojukwu.
The murder of balewa was the catalyst for what could have been avoided.in all my years j have never had Igbo take responsibility for the first coup and own up that if neo wu hadn't killed the leaders all these wouldn't have happened. I belive prior to the barbaric act Igbo lived peacefully in northern Nigeria for decades and since that incident it hasn't been the same. No one cannot give the Igbo peace if they continually lie to themselves. Like they say the truth shall set you free.you guys choose to Iive in your warped reality of life.its your choice really.we cannot help you until you help u r self. .

I didn't want to comment until I saw this......please if you do not know the history of crises in Nigeria,its not by force to comment.....many of us here are just ignorant....and in ur heart you believe you have spoken from a position of authority?? Gosh!!

futprintz:
it's rather unfortunate n appalling dat an Oba culdnt have envisaged de ramifications of de words dat proceed frm his mouth, atleast by virtue of his occupation of dat exalted stool. the Yoruba nation hav no right watsoever to blame the Igbos for their reactions or to dictate to them how to react in de face of such unwarranted n witless threat! One wuld expect dat they atleast show their acclaimed enlightenment n civility by holding Oba Akiolu responsible for his careless utterance and duely punish him for such unbecoming behaviour n for bringing such infamy, shame n disgrace to the sanctity of de stool by unsitting him! BTW,wat bizness has an Oba with mingling so deep in politics?!!! nigerians shuld learn to hold ppl responsible for their actions! Oba or no Oba NONSENSE!!!!! RUBBISH!!!!! dat's wat i expected of dis Oodua of a ppl...nt coming here to reel out jaundiced history dat no one really cares abt

On point

lygn19:
Dats y we re not giving up now, u guys are busy making war chants, at least this time d war won't be fought on d East but on the west in Lagos, anybody dat wants to die wud die, investors wud run, state of emergency wud be declared, at least there is a lot of things in Lagos dat one dynamite can help ... d baby who says the mother will not sleep, won't sleep too.

that's the difference between us.we won't start a war we can't win.if ur leaders had reflected 38 yrs ago,they would have called for more negotiations rather than start a war.yorubas are good students of history.3 million lives were lost and the commander later fled.yet u call the Yoruba cowards

bismark007:
that's the difference between us.we won't start a war we can't win.if ur leaders had reflected 38 yrs ago,they would have called for more negotiations rather than start a war.yorubas are good students of history.3 million lives were lost and the commander later fled.yet u call the Yoruba the coward.

I rather fight for what I believe in than fear for the worst.

Let's Clap for Chiamanda! Chimamanda
Adichie got it right again. Only that the
article should have been written when
Abia & Enugu sacked & deported fellow
Ndi Igbos..

BiafranPrince:
I rather fight for what I believe in than fear for the worst.

u are thinking with ur heart not ur head.thats a weakness.3 million lives could have been saved.

BIAFRA 1- 1967-1970. The Northern region and the South-West combined to defeat the South-East.

BIAFRA 2- March 2015 election. The North in collaboration with its junior partner, the South-West collaborated to defeat the South-South. The north and southwest always see elections as war and "do or die", therefore all is fair. I feel ashamed that a first class oba and and ex-DIG of a pan Nigerian institution (NPF) should make such an abominable remark in a republic and some elites want us to wish it away. Good luck to Nigeria.

I just recently watched Chinamanda's film and was so moved that I researched the Biafran war. This finally took me to the origin of the matter - the first Nigeria coup.
Chinamanda is obviously biased and may be prejudiced by her people's ordeal during the war but she did not fully represent the matter in its true light in her movie.
Please feel free to research this.
I feel the Oba said a prayer which I say regularly " the people who do not want me to succeed will not succeed". Any inconvenience is deeply regretted.

I love you Mummy Adichie, always speaking in favour of your people.
Ezigbo nwa ada Igbo ka I bu

chrisie:
BIAFRA 1- 1967-1970. The Northern region and the South-West combined to defeat the South-East.

BIAFRA 2- March 2015 election. The North in collaboration with its junior partner, the South-West collaborated to defeat the South-South. The north and southwest always see elections as war and "do or die", therefore all is fair. I feel ashamed that a first class oba and and ex-DIG of a pan Nigerian institution (NPF) should make such an abominable remark in a republic and some elites want us to wish it away. Good luck to Nigeria.

what the oba of lagos said was wrong but ibos need to quit this victim mentality and quit thinking u are smarter than every other tribe.once beaten.......................

Voilence against the ibos preexisted independence.

meccuno:
I didn't want to comment until I saw this......please if you do not know the history of crises in Nigeria,its not by force to comment.....many of us here are just ignorant....and in ur heart you believe you have spoken from a position of authority?? Gosh!!

cole265:
My friend all this ranting will not help you unless you conduct a re assessment of your self b4 you can move on.
Why are you people so hated every where you go? Why do people harbour anger and hatred towards the Igbos? Surely their must be a reason(s)...

Guess you need to be thankful to the Oba to have let out his dislike to the public. This should be seen by your people as an opportunity to conduct the much needed and overdue self assessment. He is more of your friend.

Guess you have to be more weary of the emir who has perfectly counselled his own resentment towards you. ...sure you know he is more deadly.

Stupidness is as stupidness does and talks, you don't need me holding a searchlight and pointing at you in broad day light to recognise yourself and in that I take consolation
Its funny how you guys have suddenly grown balls and started issuing thinly veiled threats in public, not so long ago, it didn't use to be like that and as to why, well, your guess is as good as mine.
But I can assure you this, if you, rilwan akiolu, your APC goons army, your APC loyal OPC faction or any other group do something funny in lagos, well, I dare you to try it.
Some peeps talk
Others walk the talk
Am praying you in particular grow ballsy enough to take it to the streets instead of forming internet strongman.

Oba should apologise to Igbos for threaten their peace, and he shuld be aware that one day an Igbo man wil the Govenor of Lagos State.

Lovely writing from Adichie..

Meanwhile, tell them oh... Tell them, maybe they will hear... The day all these Igbo haters will meet that showdown they have been openly pressing towards, they wont find it funny at all....

Mouth no go remain to talk of who should be grateful where... Lets just pray for peace...

ControlX:
Cc Seun Lalastica
ikenna351 afam4eva
Pls do the needful.



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Hahaha... at last i made fp just 6days to my birthday. [jumps and punches the air with my right hand]
Oooh.. Thank you, Jesus.

I dedicate this fp and ftc to my sweetest mum for all her efforts towards my personal success. Cheers mum.
Meanwhile special thanks to lalastica, seun, ikenna351 and afam4eva and all nairalanders...
Better things are coming.

Now to the topic....
I think what binds many tribes in Nigeria is a common hatred for the Igbos. This hatred i believe is hinged on the purported dominance of Igbos. What is it about Igbo dominance? Here is what a fellow nairalander has to say...

Great point. Fear of Igbo domination as my father
would say is a sign of weakness on the part of
the fearer and lack of confidence in their ability. In
other words, for someone to dominate you in a
non physical way whether economically, socially, educationally, in any way, shape and form as long
as they are not holding you hostage physically
from succeeding but solely by intelligence in a
level playing field, then the conclusion is that
person or group of people are smarter than
you...this has been scientifically proven. So any tribe that fears Igbo domination are less smarter
than the Igbos otherwise compete with them. The
reason why Igbos do better in everything that
they do, which is often mistaken as domination is
because they are smarter than the rest of other
ethnic groups in Nigeria. When I mean "smarter" I
don't mean individually as a Hausa man can be
smarter than a yoruba, yoruba smarter than an
ijaw man an ijaw may be smarter than an Igbo,
e.t.c., however as a whole in terms of an ethnic
group, the Igbos lead the pack in Nigeria and
some tribes see it as a domination but actually it
isn't...they are just more smarter and have more
drive than others. Dr. Thomas Sowell detailed this
in his book and actually mentions Igbos as the
most successful ethnic group in Nigeria despite
the civil war set back.

If Nigeria wants to be truly great, we should not trifle with any tribe, especially the Igbos.

I hope you know your comment is not too far away from the one Hitler made (the Germans are a superior race who shouldn't share the same earth with Jews speech) that led to the massacre of more than 2 million Jews. Just look at the number of likes and shares your post gathered.

It's almost like the Hypothermic Needle theory of Communication all over again.

BiafranPrince:
Despite Hausa Fulani resetting your brain to hate your people, I believe with this small truth you can be redeemed.

You are not Nigerian, forget all the kukugele, Hausa see u as inyamiri, Yoruba hates ur guts despite you supporting and loving them.

Biafra is your home and deep down you know.

We are marching this year, you are a man of intellect and you too much that I know. astute businessman, Biafran trait, making way anywhere you may be.
Come join the struggle, join IPOB worldwide, join where you are.

Don't even think of sabotaging the effort, it will be fruitless.
Believe u me, all this tribalism will stop this year, because Biafra will be restored this year.

Either Biafra comes or every soul in Nigeria dies, I inclusive.
We will nuke this entity.
They hate Biafrans, they don't want us to go.

Spread the news, those of you who can travel out do, else we all will die here.

2 options, surrender to Biafra of all of you, or all will cease to exist.


Quote me if you like, we speak the truth, and nothing but the truth.

You will have option of allowing Biafra to go at gun point, if u resist it Nigeria is history.
Tell Buhari the chief terrorist I said so.

Lol.

I'm quoting this post for 2 reasons:

1, to say bring it on!
2, to quote you 1 year from now (hopefully I remember) and to ask where all your braggadossio went.

Ymodulus:
I think I will start by trying to be Anthropomorphic, as it will bet express my heading.
Its really sad when insanity realizes that he has a mental disorder then he is as good as cured. The moment a people come to terms with their complex problem which often place them at loggerheads with their host communities the better for them.

I seem not to fathom how a tribe claim to have suffered humiliations and deprivation from other ethnic nationalities. This allegation should be consider very weighty even though it was not substantiated. Nonetheless, this aggrieved ethnic nationality needs to ask herself what is about it that could be responsible for the purported hostile acts of other ethnic nationalities toward it.

One problem I have with Chimanda is all her articles tends to quote Chinua Achebe, even when its evident chinua actions are wrong. The sane mistake she made, about his book "there was a country". Now she is trying to say that the Igbo's were murdered in early 1960's for political reasons? Who started the war? Was it the Nigerian Arny or The late Ojukwu ? I see Chimabda is biased. And she is just a staunt re-echoer of Chinua Achebe's belief.


I liked the fact that she related the massacre of the Ibos in different parts of the country before the civil war. However what I do like to ask her is this,

1. chimanda was there nothing that led to the massacre?

You can't deny that the tendency to dominate in another man's land which is being exhibited now by taking the Oba to court is what led to such. Tell me when you come back from court if the people of Lagos will still have a good relationship with the Ibos.


Chimanda while trying to play a neutral ground at the surface, is been biased deep down. I am sorry to say but if Chimanda spent her time writing this, she wasted that time. As this just further lowered NY respect for her as an internationally recognised writer. Novel is her thing not politics.

Just imagine how shez is spreading lies about 1960s massacre. Posterity Judge you.

Ur comment is nice, but u re looking @ it from only one angle. If igbos shld look inwards and find out y they re always attacked, don't u tink other tribes shld also look inwards nd find out y they attack igbos?
For e.g in 2011, the north voted massively for GMB, I neva heard them criticized or mocked.

And if Igbos are always trying to dominate, it shld not be a crime except they do it unlawfully. We hav seen d incidents in the north where dominance was shown violently, nd they re not even criticized half as much as I am seeing now.

"l am yet to see a man that will keep quiet when his territory is been invaded with impunity. Oba Akinolu, the Oba of Lagos,

AFONJA was a Yoruba man, and a General in the Oyo Army. He was made the Commanding Officer of Ilorin Outpost. He was an over ambitious man who wanted to be King at all cost and he knew there was no way he could defeat Alaafin of Oyo Army, so he gathered Fulani settlers under Mallam Alimi together to help fight Alaafin, yes the Fulanis helped him to defeat Alafin's Army but he was never made king. That was how the Yoruba people lost Ilorin a prominent Yoruba town to Fulani Emirate through this treacherous act, probably forever.

TODAY, LAGOS IS THE NEW ILORIN. JIMI AGBAJE IS THE NEW AFONJA, WHILE THE IGBOS ARE THE NEW FULANI.

Come Saturday, Lagosians should not allow history to repeat itself. Oloju ko ni la oju sile ki talubo o wo.

Eko oni baje"

Origin:
I just recently watched Chinamanda's film and was so moved that I researched the Biafran war. This finally took me to the origin of the matter - the first Nigeria coup.
Chinamanda is obviously biased and may be prejudiced by her people's ordeal during the war but she did not fully represent the matter in its true light in her movie.
Please feel free to research this.
I feel the Oba said a prayer which I say regularly " the people who do not want me to succeed will not succeed". Any inconvenience is deeply regretted.

You feel that the Oba said a prayer........ in his"prayer" he said that if the Igbos do not vote for Ambode they will perish in the lagoon.

What kind of prayer is that?

oluamid:
And these insults, degradation and mockery is done by only one tribe? I am not a tribalist and if you can be patient and go through some of my posts you will know I'm not.

However, if you just for a minute read the article all over with an open mind then you'll maybe see things a bit from my perspective.

To answer your question. Yes, by 1 tribe...I won't mention, but u know who.

I'm not a tribalist either...some of my best friends are Yorubas and Hausas. Infact I was born in lagos and live in Abuja now...I'm very exposed to those cultures even more than my own. But NL is gonna turn me into a tribalist if I continue to read the crap that people who are barbaric keep posting here.

Beautifully rendered Chimamanda. The Oba should have apologized instead of people trying to justify or diminish the intent behind his remarks. Traditional rulers are supposed to be fathers. A father is not supposed to make such utterances. Very childish and cruel indeed.

ekiloui:
To answer your question. Yes, by 1 tribe...I won't mention, but u know who.

I'm not a tribalist either...some of my best friends are Yorubas and Hausas. Infact I was born in lagos and live in Abuja now...I'm very exposed to those cultures even more than my own. But NL is gonna turn me into a tribalist if I continue to read the crap that people who are barbaric keep posting here.

Well it's easier to remember slights against one's tribe than slights coming from one's tribe against another, I can relate with that. But tribalism is not tribe specific and members of most Nigerian tribes esp Yoruba and Igbo are guilty of opening threads with the sole purpose of abusing another tribe.

It will be wrong to ascribe this to only Yorubas (Yes, that's the tribe you meant). It's like playing the ostrich.

My advice: you need to develop a thick skin for all the tribalism you'll come across on NL. Don't let a few people make you hate a tribe of millions.

I'll leave you with this: there are only two types of people in the world. Good people and bad people. And both can come from any tribe, Yoruba or Igbo.

ideykwum:
You are weird combination! Bombastic, pretentious sagacity, yet crass poverty of the mind! If this is your interpretation of what Chimamanda said, then hope is lost for the Nigerian youth! If you could extricate yourself from Internet tribal wars and bore into some legitimate books on Nigerian history, some of these misconceptions or outright blindness to the truth would be cured! The challenge with Nigeria is people like you- they don't know, yet the talk in a manner that appears they know, and acquire new converts every cycle of foolish exhibition! May God help you!

Was almost lauding ur comment till I saw wat followed. Everything, socially constructed is always based on bias. I am sure you knw some igbos are obnoxious,particularly the illiterates and this is evident in all ethnic groups. Wat she wrote was not of much surprise for me. Wat should she have written if not an article to defend her people, she is an artist, a literary writer and not a scientist for crying out loud. If she had said otherwise, I am sure this same u would lambast her for being withdrawn from her tribe because of the money she has made. The igbo gal in her won't let her be objective. And talking about Nigerian history, she actually has the achebe version which can be faulted by others. The igbos keeps crying they were killed during the biafran war. Were westerners not killed? Were northerners not killed in the east? Agreed, you guys had the most casualty but it was a war, it was meant to end with a winner and a vanquished. Ojukwu was not ready for the war even those that were close to him attested to that fact. Those that warned him insistently were killed on charges of attempted treason, so what is the cry about? Ojukwu had his faults while Gowon did have his, to even think of it Gowon is a northern Christian. Before the secession, minority groups in the south were asking for help from the federal government claiming they were not igbo. If I may even ask, why did Ojukwu surrender via effiong? If he was fighting a just cause, he should have fought it to the death and become a martyr. Sentimental comments are allowed but that wouldn't stop an igbo gal being my very close friend. she has her tribal faults and I do have mine. When I tell her unreceptive treatments I receive from igbos, she doesn't defend them and when it comes to Yoruba folks, I am not left out but that is not to say I am blind to crass attitude from both sides.