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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 11:04pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
seunmsg: My statement was not drawn from Ijesa/Ekiti war collaboration. Ijesa (not Ilesa) starts from enu owa - the front of Ooni's palace to Ekiti, it is a known fact amongst 'researchers and traditionalists'. Incase you didn't know Ijesa land spreads as far as a bulky part of what is now Osogbo town. I'll get academic sources for you but also do a research yourself |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by MrPresident1: 11:05pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
9jacrip: Does the king of your town claim descent from Oduduwa and Ile Ife? |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 11:07pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
[s] MrPresident1:[/s] You're obviously a troll - or probably that Isale biitch just looking for my attention. And you just stole whatever crap you posted from what PhysicsQED's comment on that thread (I saw you there) - but you're too stupid to copy the whole thing. Let me help you complete the excerpts Physics posted from the book: [60 Although still described as a 'Viceroyalty of Benin' by one observer of the early nineteenth century: Robertson, Notes on Africa, 30I. In fact, Ijebu appears to have been incorporated into the sphere of influence of Oyo from the seventeenth century onwards: cf. Robin Law, The Oyo Empire, c.16oo - c.1836 (Oxford, I977), I35-7. 61 An account of the I840s states that Ijebu had 'long since' taken over control of this area from Benin: d'Avezac-Macaya, in Curtin, Africa Remembered, 239.] - Robin Law, "Trade and Politics behind the Slave Coast: The Lagoon Traffic and the Rise of Lagos, 1500-1800" (1983) Initially, I was going to start posting academic sources/facts from my portable hard disk - but you're not worth the time. Keep trolling and stay off my mentions. 1 Like |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by MrPresident1: 11:15pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 11:23pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
[s] MrPresident1:[/s] Effing troll, stop quoting me. Let me give you a little gift, from just a simple academic source cos I can't be ar.sed with debating a vacuous dunderhead: At first the archaeological evidence tended to support this type of approach. The spectacular finds at Ife (Willett, 1967) suggested a wealthy, sophisticated culture with kingship institutions already established. Radiocarbon dates put the 'classical' period of Ife, art at about A.D. 1000-1400. This neatly tallied with reconstructions of chronology based on the surviving kinglists of states like Oyo, Ketu, Benin and Ijebu. Their foundations were generally placed between the 13th and 15th centuries - perhaps about 1300 (Smith, 1969: 34), and the tradition that their founders came from Ife, was accepted at face value by many authors. http://lucy.ukc.ac.uk/yorubat/yt2.html ^^^Hopefully, that will fill the vacuum in ya head, and at least give you an insight into how old the Ijebu Kingdom is - and the Kingdoms on its level. 2 Likes |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by MrPresident1: 11:31pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
SirShymexx: Listen and listen well, Oduduwa met people on arrival from the East, Ijebu disparate tribes were one of the aboriginal tribes he met. Ijebu despite their purported riches were subjects/vassals of Oyo. Oyo ruled Ijebu, this is verifiable History. Stop being impervious to knowledge. 1 Like |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 11:35pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
MrPresident1: I'm full blooded Ife. I know where you're headed with the Q. Because Oduduwa gave Oranmiyan earth (sand) denoting his ownership of all the lands his brothers set up their domains at and right to periodic tribute does not nevessarily mean Oranmiyan/Alaafin lorded the entire Yoruba towns. Ijebu was in excistence before Oyo, the Ijebu folks even directed Owa towards the sea where he got brine for Oduduwa's eyes. Igbomina was already in existence before Ile-Ife of Oduduwa period. Furthermore, lordship of Oyo was via military conquest and occupation. Not all towns were conquered, as a result, not all towns paid tributes. What is undeniable is Oyo's military sway in Yoruba land (Dahomey and Benin inclusive). |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by MrPresident1: 11:45pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
Double post. |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by MrPresident1: 11:47pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
9jacrip: Ijebu, Ife, Ekiti, perhaps elements of the Igbomina as you allude, were all on ground before Oduduwa arrived. Towns like Ile-Ife were not over run because of their spiritual significance. Towns that were not conquered either submitted or they had some esoteric significance. But Oyo ruled 'Yorubaland'. Oyo had military might but yet she did not rule? Is that what you mean? |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 11:57pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
MrPresident1: She had military might but did not necessarily hold the entire Yoruba towns as hostage. Even places in Eko did not have any interaction with Oyo's military might. |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by SirShymexx: 11:57pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
This academic source is for Katsumoto. Apparently, the only claim by Oyo was that the Alaafin went to the Ijebu to install an Awujale, in the 17th century - he supposedly happened to be the 36th Awujale out of the 57 Awujales Ijebus had by 1959. So, how was an Oyo Ilari title able to have more Kings than Oyo, during the same time-frame? Anyway, the links explained the legends about the different claims from both Oyo and Bini - and how implausible those claims are. Citation: "Kingdoms of the Yoruba" By Robert Sydney Smith 1 Like
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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by nisai: 6:51pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
SirShymexx:Hope the in-coming government give us Ijebu state with boundary adjustment to merge with our kin in Ogun state or better still regional autonomy.Then we could harness the potentials contentedly. |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by emmatok(m): 10:16pm On Apr 16, 2015 |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by macof(m): 12:55pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
SirShymexx: Best you leave that man to his delusions..he wings accept anything you tell him outside his cult He is the same one that calls Yorubas sons of Jacob |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 1:26pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
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Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by omoiseselagba: 12:51pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
MrPresident1:NEVER.PLEASE READ BOOKS ABOUT YORUBA HISTORY,WE IJEBUS WERE THE ONES SELLING GUNS FOR THEN and in turn,they used the guns to enslave other upper yoruba people such as the ondos ifes,ekitis ijeshas etc etc.but not all upper/interior yorubas were subjugated.the ore/owo people were much more closer to benin and were under benin influence. 1 Like |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by isalegan2: 3:01am On Oct 31, 2017 |
Billyonaire: You should be tarred and feathered then boiled in oil. |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by walexbiz(m): 6:16am On Oct 31, 2017 |
seunfly: I don't know on whose authority you derive such ranking, but I don't think the alale is bigger than the Awujale |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by walexbiz(m): 6:21am On Oct 31, 2017 |
Mynd44:. Clap for yourself, so the Awujale is equivalent to Oba of Lagos, even the Oba of Lagos will dare not accept such ranking. Anyway the freedom of expression is to all and sundry. |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by KingSango(m): 4:38pm On Oct 31, 2017 |
[size=8pt][/size] Ilaje44: There no Satan in any traditional African religion no where in the longest history on Earth.Satan is a Euruasian entity which stems from Zoraster beliefs of cosmic opposing Gods. Africans only acknowledge one cosmic supreme force,Yorubas say Olodumare, Egyptians had Amen, Congolese has Kalunga, etc. Olodumare is all powerful and has no rival. None. Ase. Love Sango 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 2:03pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Y'all should please stop adding Oba of Benin as a Yoruba king. He is not and will never part of Yorubas, we edos don't want to be attached to Yorubas. We are unique and so are the Yorubas,y'all disgust me with this comments and am new here! |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 2:13pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
seunfly: Stop adding Benin as part of Yoruba Obas it's an insult to the Benin people so please stop it!! Haba. 1 Like |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by isalegan2: 3:28pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
Sincereheart1: Spend some time to learn about things you know not, before you start admonishing your (elders) teachers. |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by Nobody: 3:49pm On Nov 15, 2017 |
isalegan2: You can't tell me nothing about what I already know!! So please stop ok. |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by laudate: 1:33am On Nov 17, 2017 |
What an interesting thread!! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Picture Of Eleko Of Eko, In London, England Circa, 1950s. by ADEGUNWA01: 3:27am On Mar 13, 2023 |
macof: In ondo state the Deji is the primus inter pares among ondo state obas he is the first among equal followed by Osemawe of ondo and Olowo of owo, Owa of idanre and so on. The Alake,AwujaleAlaafin,Ooni,Owa obokun ilesa, oba of lagos, Ewi of Ado ekiti, Elekole ekiti, Orangun ila, Akarigbo Remo, Those are the Natural Rulers who rule of Division and ancients towns or kingdoms
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