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| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by Ezemust: 3:12pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
theV0ice:u see wat am saying.u could'nt anserw me coz u knw that change was'nt geniune one.it was laced with tribal undertone.but to ur question,if u had observed diz election from the Igbo perspective you'd understand that we are nt crazy for party bt persnality.dats y everybdy is crying for Abia result even though pdp is wining.ppl like Rochas would'nt even win one ward. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 3:18pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Ezemust:The joke is on you my friend because the ngige and okorocha that were heroes to Igbo suddenly became traitors, bast.Ards, efulefu simply because they had the temerity to follow the amala and ewedu party of Awolowo's people. You're not crazy for party indeed. Answer if you can. Which candidate will you vote for if APC fields him/her? |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by Ezemust: 3:21pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
theV0ice:under which party did Ngige became a senator? |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 3:27pm On Apr 17, 2015*. Modified: 3:49pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Ezemust:Under ACN in the same election that you yourself claimed Tinubu and other Yoruba leaders of ACN supported gej and asked their supporters to vote for gej against their own party's candidate. When did ngige become a traitor? A bast.ard? An efulefu? Now reconcile it with the time APC was formed and then tell us how many elections ngige or any other APC candidate won since then in Igboland. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by obailala(m): 3:29pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Ezemust:I'm sorry but I would have to answer your question with a question, "in 2011, did Jonathan have a Yoruba running mate?.... If not so, why did the Yorubas vote massively for him?".... While you continue to think clannishly, I would love it if you can ponder on this my question. Please just try and put aside the tribal or clannish thinking for a second and observe the Nigerian society. Ask yourself this sincere question, "if you were not a Nigerian, with all you know, would you have supported Jonathan?" I am a full blooded Igbo man but I totally supported Buhari because I believed GEJ failed in his duty as a president and C-in-C especially in the area of corruption, impunity and security. I strongly appreciate the fact that a good president goes beyond restoring rail transport. Any right thinking neutral person would have supported Buhari over a GEJ re-election; if not for anything, just for the sake of the obscene cases of corruption and impunity which was rampant and unattended to by GEJ. Even foreign countries supported the removal of GEj's government, I know you would assume that to also be a coincidence or maybe a result of APC telling lies and propaganda to foreigners?.. but you are wrong, foreigners would make their judgement devoid of tribal/ethnic/religious sentiments. A little word of advice, we really need to stop this unnecessary blame game especially against the SW. The blame game is deeply rooted in senseless tribalism and clannishness and it will never take us anywhere. I was just reading a thread a moment ago where someone blamed the Yorubas for being the reason why Akpabio of Akwa-Ibom couldn't build the Ibaka Seaport. Such clannish reasoning only raises a needless paranoia which of course erodes our ability to think productively because instead of identifying the real problem and moving forward, we just keep blaming others for everything. Just like I originally advised, try for a moment and assume you are not Nigerian, would you still be towing your present line of argument? |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by Ezemust: 3:55pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
obailala:look i understand ur point.bt my point also is dat apc didnt win bassed on merit.their strategis is devil like.this ppl instigated violence to discredit gej.if u wana believe it beleive if u dnt wana beleive i dnt care either.wen gej start fighting dem Buhari and apc start playing the tribal card by accussing him of genocid against the north.he offered them amnesty and they tamed him weak.they use every lie to sabotage him and ppl buy into their lies.now they have trown him out with lies and they start preaching one Nigeria.am nt hating anybdy bt i will be a citic of this govnmt to the very last.SHALOM |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by Olaolufred(m): 3:58pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
[size=14pt]Ezemust, I pray that God will turn this your mourning into dancing. I feel for people who mourns. Your case is not different. Sorry ehn. Pele. Ndo.[/size] |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by Ezemust: 4:06pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
theV0ice:stop making noise.he join the same amala party and was voted for against Akunyili.but nw he cant show anything he did as a senator so he was booted out.simple |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 4:12pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Ezemust: @ the bolded. Relax pls....don't lose it at this point. We are having a civil discussion.The same way gej was voted in 2011 then booted out in 2015 for non performance. Simple Now, why should any person have a problem with that? |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by Ezemust: 4:53pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
theV0ice:he did nt perform for norther muslim and Yoruba ppl.we here de see gej work like aftnoon |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 4:56pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Ezemust:What about Ihedioha? did he perform at the HOR that you wish him to replace Okorocha? How many bills did he sponsor that have any bearing on the life of folks in the SE? But anyway, I understand...... ![]() |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by obailala(m): 4:57pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Ezemust:It is good to be a critic, we should never sit back as Nigerians and watch silently as our leader ruin us. Buhari is not my father and even though I supported his candidacy, I'm patiently waiting for May 29th to begin firing missiles whenever his crew misbehaves. As for the issue of 'merit,' I can assure you that APC won on pure merit. Politics is a dirty game and the strategy in democratic politics is for the opposition to pick on the flaws of the ruling party and magnify them to gain sympathy from the people. That's what democratic politics is all about and that's exactly what APC has done but unfortunately, since Nigerians are not used to democracy, this very concept sounds strange to them. I do not agree with you that APC instigated violence to discredit GEJ; rather I would say the APC capitalised on the insecurity (which GEJ's government was too clueless to tackle) and they built their momentum on the failings of GEJ. This again is what is obtainable in every democratic society, you don't expect an opposition that wants to take over power to be clapping or cheering the ruling party even in the midst of glaring faults. A majority of the things which GEJ's government and supporters claim were lies and propaganda turned out to be true. Continuously saying that APC used lies and propaganda to chase out GEJ is now becoming boring; can you please mention the alleged lies against GEJ which didn't turn out to be true?... GEJ's government just had too many obvious flaws which made the game too easy for the opposition. At a point I just had to conclude that it was either GEJ was cursed or he was under a powerful spell for regularly committing unforgivable gaffes almost everyday. Once again I challenge you to mention the so called LIES by APC to sabotage GEJ. Was it the govt carelessness in the money laundry case in SA or was it the way GEJ handled the accusations by Sanusi Lamido very poorly?... Was it the cases of glaring corruption which GEJ turned a blind eye to or was it the case of GEJ's insensitivity by attending a PDP rally and dancing in public less than 24 hours after a bomb blast kills over 100 innocent poor masses at a bus station?... Can you please take your time, think deeply (devoid of any sentiments or soft spots) and kindly mention any major allegations against GEJ's government which were truly false?... You say Buhari and APC accused the government of committing a genocide against the north; now this is a really contentious one but let us reason this deeply. Do you really think the Army was not actually killing hoards of innocent people in the NE?... It is only a non-Nigerian that does not know the carelessly brutal antecedents of the Nigerian army or even the police that shoots people for just N20. In 1999, the army was sent in to quell the Warri crises, they annihilated every thing on sight including livestock. In the early 2000s, the army was sent in to Odi to quell an uprising, till today we still know the story of Odi and we dance to Timaya's 'dem mama' song oblivious of the sheer scale of genocide in that community. What about the case of Odioma in the same Bayelsa?... what about the massacre in Benue also in the early 2000s?... From Nigerian history, wherever there is an unrest and the army is called in, it a well known fact that the Nigerian army instead of restoring peace, they enforce a tsunami thereby leaving the people of the area calling out to the government and international community for help and for compensation. With all these atrocities still in our minds, I wonder why the cry by some northern leaders against the brutality of the army is seen only with the microscopic prism of politics. Once again, every Nigerian knows the brutal antecedents of the army, so I wonder why you think the call to caution the army by Buhari or other northern leaders is a sabotage against Goodluck Jonathan. May you just pray the Nigerian army wouldn't ever be sent to your community, if that happens you will never blame Buhari for calling for the army to be cautioned. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by Ezemust: 4:58pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Olaolufred:mourning for Nigeria.nagwode mallam |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by francizy(m): 5:37pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
theV0ice:Since you'll know there shouldn't be any issue with it, why are APC people making s big deal out of the fact that SE supported GEJ/Sambo of which none of them is Igbo? This should be a case of live and let live. Don't point accusing fingers when there is/are similar issues in your case. Now all I want from GMB is performance and all I want from your APC supporters is to be objective and criticize when necessary and don't just create immunity for him because he's an APC candidate. Let his performance speak for him and no lie peddling. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 5:53pm On Apr 17, 2015*. Modified: 6:17am On Apr 18, 2015 |
francizy: Who started the whole betrayal tag? Who started a journey through 'history' to show the Yoruba don't like SE people? Who went on a long journey of revisionism? Who has been screaming that the Yoruba sold the entire south to the north? Who has been calling the Yoruba 'slaves' for aligning with the same folks the SS &SE have ALWAYS aligned with all through the 55 years of Nigeria's independence? Who called their own sons 'traitors', 'efulefu' etc for joining the APC? Pls my friend.....don't make me laugh. If GMB derails from the reason he won the popular vote, he will know its not for nothing that Yoruba produced the likes of Fawehinmi, Ransom-kuti's, Soyinka etc who have always opposed injustice and misrule by any leader be it Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo. The true opposition will start from the Yoruba e.g the lagos-ibadan press. You can count on that. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by bakila: 5:56pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
barcanista:He will flop for your. For.majority on Nigerians he will deliver better than Jonathan did. No longer grammar, no fake Transformation. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by francizy(m): 6:10pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
theV0ice:Now if they are so free minded, why was there post election violence? Mind you, Namadi Sambo is their son and even if GEJ got votes from them in 2011, there isn't a big deal there. They might reasoned it as a win-win for them if either CPC or PDP win. Now mark my words, with the current trend, there will never be a successful party at the national level without the Hausa/Fulani man either as a President or as a Vice President. In whichever way, their presence must be felt. They voted for OBJ because to them they were paying him back for handing over to their son Shehu Shagari. Mind you also, Atiku was the vice and an Hausa/Fulani. From then on till date, has there been a President/Vice without a Hausa/Fulani candidate? Watch and see this trend continue till you grow old. Also, let me give you instances of them having the "born to rule" mentality. Election was conducted in my school for the post of VC and a Christian won. What happened afterwards? Was he sworn in as the VC? No. This was because of the massive protest both in and outside the school. Their lecturers, the supposed learned ones refused that it would happen. The illiterates/almajiris outside the school premises protested, threatening thunder and brim stone. Elections conducted at school level left the school filled with "born to rul"e both at departmental and faculty level. A well respected prof, a Yoruba man, in my department then, was campaigned and voted against (for the post of Deputy Dean) by same lecturers within the department, that pretended to respect him. Who did they campaign and vote for? A Muslim lecturer from another department. The prof eventually left the school and is now in Unilag. Most Christian lecturers, doctors/profs in my department then have left the school for schools in the South. Mind you, this is a school with huge number of Christians. You're either a Muslim or you are deliberately lying to yourself about your experience in the north. Although even if you're a Yoruba Muslim, you must agree with me that during crises in the north, if you can't speak their language, you're a gonner.. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 6:40pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
francizy:Have you checked the Nigerian map b4? Do you see the space occupied by the Hausa/Fulani Muslim north? Any man that thinks he can win a presidential election in Nigeria without an Hausa/Fulani Muslim on the ticket is a comedian. Democracy is a game of numbers......the earlier you internalise this, the better for u. Do you in all honesty believe a Hausa/Fulani Muslim can be elected a VC in FUTO in today's Nigeria? We are talking of the presidency here and history will always record it that gej got 8million votes from the north in 2011 & 3.4million votes there in 2015. I'll leave you to tell me how many votes GMB got in the SE in 2011 & 2015. You're free to believe I'm a Hausa Muslim or a Yoruba Muslim.....its your call. To add to your consternation again, let me tell you that pretty babe I met and married in the north is an Igbo girl. Islam has a violent streak but what is the solution? Shut the hausa/Fulani Muslim out of power? How do you do that in a democracy with universal adult suffrage? As long as we remain together, we MUST find a way to co-exist peacefully. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by dafuturis(m): 6:41pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Gbawe:Exactly Bro, it baffles me why a learned person will even vote for GEJ. GEJ was obviously operating from the wrong side of the coin, neglecting the masses and further enriching the cabals. If PDP had allowed our vote to count in the SS it would have reflected that indeed he failed even though he's our own. I'm from Niger Delta and I support any honest, courageous and incorruptible leader regardless of his/her birth region, GEJ was the exact opposite of those attributes and never deserved to continue with our mandate. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 7:10pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
dafuturis:Of course you're very correct. If not for the thugs unleashed on the populace by PDP in rivers state, the votes would have reflected that the folks there also wanted change. GMB wouldn't have won of course but he would have pulled substantial votes. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by Nobody: 7:10pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
theV0ice:I am a muslim and i find the bolded to be not only wrong but a distraction from the topic. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 7:23pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
tbaba1234:I know you're a Muslim and I know you'll find it wrong but I won't modify it. We are not discussing Islam here and I careless about the religion of GMB. He could as well have been a satanist for all the cares in the world. I voted for a honest, modest man not bogged down by materialism and I got me a honest and upright president elect. The Jews have theirs and the Christians have theirs too. Pls let's leave it at that. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by francizy(m): 7:41pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
theV0ice:I am only going to address the bolded based on my earlier statement. The Christian who won the election isn't an Igbo/Yoruba man. He's a Southern Kaduna Christian and has every right as a Nigerian and as a Kaduna man to become a VC in a university in Kaduna state. Also, I believe these past UNN VCs ain't Igbos.. Professor Umaru Shehu: 1978 - 1979 Professor Umaru Gomwalk: May 1994 - 1999 |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 7:49pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
francizy:OK then. I wasn't there with you so I cant pretend to know what transpired there. Oh...so some hausa/fulani muslim profs have led the foremost university in the SE?? Thanks...I've learnt something new today |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by help3852: 8:35pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
Gbawe:APC Mule, I hope your pay masters are paying well. |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by francizy(m): 8:57pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
theV0ice:And you have diverted from our discuss/argument... |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by dafuturis(m): 9:08pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
theV0ice:Exactly, GMB would have sure pulled a reasonable amount of votes, say between 25-35%. Every test poll conducted saw Buhari winning by very wide margin, online poll conducted by Naij.com, NL, even the ones conducted by GEJ facebook handle, need I mention that of AIT . Okupe was advocating votes and support for GEJ on a programme (can't placed specifically) when his audience started chanting "change". GMB victory was written in the sky, moon, stars everywhere. Absolutely everything was reflecting a defeat for GEJ, GEJ was so clueless that he didn't realise his campaign team adopted image attacks strategy on GMB kept drawing more and more fans to GMB camp ( am an example of this, used to be a 'fencist'), I was forced to research about GMB, the result of my research made me love him and so rooted for him.God bless Nigeria |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 6:13am On Apr 18, 2015 |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by theV0ice: 6:15am On Apr 18, 2015 |
dafuturis: ![]() At least the PDP now knows how not to run a presidential campaign. They'll be wiser next time |
| Re: Why Are Some Jonathan Fans Still Hating?? by AjanleKoko: 8:34pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
Gbawe:I doubt if PDP will pay anybody to come and write stuff on nairaland or Facebook again. No more free cash flow, apologies to the accountant brethren in the house. Don't mind the jobless bitter TANnoids. Incumbent party that couldn't even pony up a coherent campaign strategy, and still managed to steal + waste billions on nothing. Since Jonathan won without working for it the last time, he obviously thought it was always going to be sunny in California, where he and the good people of Naija were concerned ![]() Once nobody is paying, everybody will reset back to their everyday drudge, and only come out for occasional pokes at the government of the day. Even that is doubtful ![]() |
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Incumbent party that couldn't even pony up a coherent campaign strategy, and still managed to steal + waste billions on nothing. Since Jonathan won without working for it the last time, he obviously thought it was always going to be sunny in California, where he and the good people of Naija were concerned 
