Wikipedia is open to editing by anybody, not exactly a credible source for serious research

PastorKun:


I just went through your useless link, it lists oyaks as one of his proteges. That does not in anyway mean oyaks was a pastor under Idahosa it only suggests that he mentored oyaks in setting up his shameful business.

vooks:

I have heard about the pastoral training programs, degrees in some places. I need to know at what point one graduates from a pastor-Senior Pastor-Reverend-Bishop-Archbishop (archbishop is a rare title among Pentecostals though)

I don't have the answer to that

Thank you.
I have no idea why CEC members take offense at such sincere questions. You are a PhD, you earned it and you don it as a badge of honor for all to see. When we see it and aks from whence you got it, you get insults,curses and spite.

Next they start asking you how many church branches you have opened and whether you can rival Rev Chris' feat in translating ROR into 600 languages and winning 100K Iraqis to Christ bla de bla


Cc Winsomex,PastorKun,SirJohn,dorox,Gombs,sammied

shyna01:

I don't have the answer to that

^^
You fellow comrade in trade, WinsomeX, said his issue with Pastor Chris is not personal, but doctrinal.


From the above, I'm seeing personal attack, I can understand why.
Anyways, for furure references, like WX, what's yours?

My broda,
There is nothing 'personal' about academic feats you affix to your other designations for all and sundry. Just name the college, dissertation, publication and we will move on. Or simply plead ignorance.

We could aks Joagbaje.

PS: am not even a believer, am a satanist working against the body of Christ

Gombs:
^^
You fellow comrade in trade, WinsomeX, said his issue with Pastor Chris is not personal, but doctrinal.


From the above, I'm seeing personal attack, I can understand why.
Anyways, for furure references, like WX, what's yours?

vooks:
My broda,
There is nothing 'personal' about academic feats you affix to your other designations for all and sundry. Just name the college, dissertation, publication and we will move on. Or simply plead ignorance.

Attack the doctrines he teaches then. Why didn't you ask for his B.Sc and M.Sc?

We could aks Joagbaje.

be my guest.

PS: am not even a believer, am a satanist working against the body of Christ

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Well, that's you cup of tea, I don't care if you're Satan himself, Christ already conquered all, so have I.

I can even aks for his pre-school, for now, am just interested in his PhD

Point is who Vooks is irrelevant to Oyaks PhD.
If he deploys online robots such as he, it's a pity.
You are totally clueless about his PhD and you are praying everyone should be equally ignorant and you won't hesitate to insult those who are not

Gombs:


Attack the doctrines he teaches then. Why didn't you ask for his B.Sc and M.Sc?



be my guest.


Well, that's you cup of tea, I don't care if you're Satan himself, Christ already conquered all, so have I.

^^

Insults you say...
Hahahahhahaaahhahahahahaahahahahhahaha



*wipes off a tear.

Thanks for the laugh Buddy.

Now that you had your laugh, where and when did he get his PhD?

Gombs:
^^

Insults you say...
Hahahahhahaaahhahahahahaahahahahhahaha



*wipes off a tear.

Thanks for the laugh Buddy.

vooks:

PS: am not even a believer, am a satanist working against the body of Christ

vooks, did you say you are a satanist? I thought you said you are a Pentecostal Christian??

This is not meant to derail the thread. I hope someone from CE can eventually provide information on Oyakhilome PHD.

Winsomex,
I mean Gombs should not waste time characterizing me, how many RORs I have done, churches opened bla de bla because who vooks be is not RELEVANT. To the question......just cut to the chase and answer the question by the OP.

Am a bond-Servant of Jesus Christ...profuse apologies for sarcasm

WinsomeX:


vooks, did you say you are a satanist? I thought you said you are a Pentecostal Christian??

This is not meant to derail the thread. I hope someone from CE can eventually provide information on Oyakhilome PHD.

vooks:
Winsomex,
I mean Gombs should not waste time characterizing me, how many RORs I have done, churches opened bla de bla because who vooks be is not RELEVANT. To the question......just cut to the chase and answer the question by the OP.

Am a bond-Servant of Jesus Christ...profuse apologies for sarcasm

OK. I get it.

The thread could as well end here. Oyakhilome PHD is at best a honorary one and at worst a fathom. No CE member is likely to know anything about it. They are as much in the dark about it as we are.

No point pressing the issue and embarrassing them any further.

Gombs:


Attack the doctrines he teaches then. Why didn't you ask for his B.Sc and M.Sc?



be my guest.



[img]http://i./tLql6mMHC6wvK.gif[/img]

Well, that's you cup of tea, I don't care if you're Satan himself, Christ already conquered all, so have I.

Sometimes... its just ok to say i dont know.

davidylan:


Sometimes... its just ok to say i dont know.

And act human for once. . . Its nauseating seeing Gombs and others switch to defensive mode even when it isn't necessary.

I don't know = I don't know.

End of thread.

P.S. Its most likely a honorary doctorate but his TV/media people are mistaking it for an earned PhD. Methinks its not such a serious issue (unless Pastor Chris himself actually is claiming to have PHD he doesn't, which I think would be far too low, even for him). There are far more pertinent non-personal matters I think we should dwell more on, such as his theology and the fruit its bearing.

BTW, didn't realise oldies such as davidylan were still around here.

petres007:
BTW, didn't realise oldies such as davidylan were still around here.

Hi Peter007

Did you see the thread on Christ Embassy being a cult?

WinsomeX:


Hi Peter007

Did you see the thread on Christ Embassy being a cult?

I did Sir. Still reading my way through. Was already over five pages by the time I showed up.

petres007:

I did Sir. Still reading my way through. Was already over five pages by the time I showed up.

You can follow the summary as presented on Page 0, first post for easy navigation to salient posts on the thread.

petres007:
BTW, didn't realise oldies such as davidylan were still around here.

lol brother petres, i've been in siddon look mode for months now.

[size=20pt]The bogus Irish International University(IIU)[/size]
http://www.pointblanknews.com/os739.html

Bogus university scam uncovered, offers sub-standard and worthless degrees

He said:
"Students are paying for this, what I would regard as worthless and bogus qualifications.
I would say buyer beware from the point of view of students.

You know I really think that they'll probably be getting qualifications
which are unlikely to be taken seriously at least in Western Europe."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7175730.stm

davidylan:
Sometimes... its just ok to say i dont know.

petres007:
And act human for once. . . Its nauseating seeing Gombs and others switch to defensive mode even when it isn't necessary.

I don't know = I don't know.

End of thread

davidylan:
P.S. Its most likely a honorary doctorate
but his TV/media people are mistaking it for an earned PhD.
Methinks its not such a serious issue
(unless Pastor Chris himself actually is claiming to have PHD he doesn't, which I think would be far too low, even for him).
There are far more pertinent non-personal matters I think we should dwell more on, such as his theology and the fruit its bearing.

but Pastor Chris himself, appends the 3 letter Ph.D at the end of his name doesnt he?

Nothing new under the sun
Apart from the bought doctrates pictures above, Kermit the Frog, from Sesame Street and The Muppet Show too has a Ph.D,
its honorary doctorate of Amphibious Letters was awarded in 1996.


Kermit prepares to give his big speech.

WinsomeX:
“If a man of God is married,
it doesn’t automatically mean that the wife of a man of God is therefore a woman of God.
That’s not the way it is in the Bible. That’s why you don’t really find the wives of men of God mentioned in the Bible.
You never find their names”, he added.
At this point, one of the female pastors asked to know why the names of wives of the men of God were not found in the Bible.
Oyakhilome’s response was that she should ask God whenever she finds him.
“Why? You ask God when you find him. Ask God when you find him”, he exclaimed

MuttleyLaff:
Didnt realise he will be wearing and easily putting on a male chauvinist hat

Rather he say, "I dont honestly know why"
instead of the weasel out and patronizing reply of "Why? You ask God when you find him. Ask God when you find him"

As can be seen from the snide reply in the second to the last post above, it's what they've heard or seen the head honcho do
It is a habit subliminally picked up or learned from the top
If not just too averse to it, what's wrong in simply saying "I dont honestly know why" or "I Dont Know"

On point. And they hurl all manner of insults at you for asking exactly what PhD next to his name means

MuttleyLaff:

but Pastor Chris himself, appends the 3 letter Ph.D at the end of his name doesnt he?
If not just too averse to it, what's wrong in simply saying "I dont honestly know why" or "I Dont Know"

It beats my imagination his grown up men and supposed Christians get to behave like neonates. A lot of you chaps here have attacked Chris Oyakhilome in every aspect.

1. dress
2. appearance
3. voice/speech
4. church building
5. His brethren
6. TV/Radio/Media
7. Books/print
8. Internet Technology
9. Music ministers
10. Marriage/family
11. Staff
12. now his Academic achievements?

Come on now chaps, which honorary degree holder puts P.HD behind his name? Why would he lie that he has a P.HD? to please/ prove what to who?

it's saddening to see grown up men rally round to criticise a man's PhD, of ALL things. Some go as far as concluding it was an honorary degree, some said he just lying.

If he's educated or not, how does that stop him from beings used by God? How does the validity or not of his PhD add or reduce anything from the body of Christ?

Some said if he had actually had a Phd, CE members would have his pictures every where. He did it quiet now, it's still an issue, I he has thrown a graduation party, guess who will come here and open threads, calling him names and hiw he glorify in vain things, how his showoff is getting out of hand etc..don't you all ever get tired?

For the records, he attended Oral Roberts University, class of 2010/2011. Write or visit ORU for his thesis.

now move to the next, criticize his car... a 2014 Toyota Land Cruiser GXR V8, customized and bullet proof... that's one of his cars though.

WinsomeX:


You can follow the summary as presented on Page 0, first post for easy navigation to salient posts on the thread.

Great idea. Will do.

LambanoPeace:
Come on now chaps, which honorary degree holder puts P.HD behind his name?
Why would he lie that he has a P.HD? to please/prove what to who?

Others wondered why but you tell us why please
Not to please/prove what, to who, but to thwart speculations such as these arising

LambanoPeace:
it's saddening to see grown up men rally round to criticise a man's PhD, of ALL things. Some go as far as concluding it was an honorary degree, some said he just lying.

What you interpret as criticise is merely and simply acts of observing

LambanoPeace:
If he's educated or not, how does that stop him from beings used by God?

He read architecture, didnt he, so no one is questioning him having been educated or not

LambanoPeace:
How does the validity or not of his PhD add or reduce anything from the body of Christ?

It doesnt except that it is a harmless matter of interest

LambanoPeace:
Some said if he had actually had a Phd, CE members would have his pictures every where.
He did it quiet now, it's still an issue

He is keeping quiet where he obtained the PH.D from is more like it

LambanoPeace:
if he has thrown a graduation party, guess who will come here and open threads, calling him names and how he glorify in vain things, how his showoff is getting out of hand etc..don't you all ever get tired?

You're making false and very wild assumptions here, arent you now?
OK, what names was he called when he celebrated his 50th birthday party?
Has anyone to date accused him of showing off then or after?

LambanoPeace:
For the records, he attended Oral Roberts University, class of 2010/2011. Write or visit ORU for his thesis.

For the record Benson Idahosa was awarded a doctorate of Law from Oral Roberts University.
Creflo Dollar was awarded a honorary Doctor of Divinity from Oral Roberts University.
Myles Munroe was an adjunct professor of the Graduate School of Theology at Oral Roberts University
The list goes on
There wasnt any need to write or visit ORU for the above about their awards,
so why are people finding it easier to avoid the subject altogether about who awarded Pastor Chris his Ph.D

LambanoPeace:
now move to the next, criticize his car... a 2014 Toyota Land Cruiser GXR V8, customized and bullet proof... that's one of his cars though.

Now this last sentence above is not from a supposedly grown up but from a Christian getting to behave like a neonate

^^

Did you ask idahosa, Dollar, Monroe etc for their thesis? Did you question it?

Now, someone has given you date and class and University, what now?


She gave you a topic to debate on... His car. That's one sweet ride you know.. Ask PastorKun, he's into auto business.

Oral roberts University? That's good to know. Would check if his name is on the website. It is also strange that mention of this was made up till sometime last year when he started showing up with a PHD. Would check.

I have checked carefully and could not find any evidence that Pst Chris attended ORal Roberts University. If he did and graduated with a PhD, this a reason for celebrations. To earn a PhD is a big deal. More so that you are already using it. But so far no proof that he attended. I am a member of Christ Embassy and nobody i know, not even pastors are aware. of.

Everyone including most Pastors want to be called with bogus titles. I came across the article below highlighting how some pastors go to any length to earn or perhaps buy a 'doctorate degree' to flaunt it in the face of their church members.
Why do some people including pastors who are not specialized in a particular field, go about with such doctorate degrees?[i][/i]


I believe phony doctorates are a moral scandal in the church today. Many ministers are deliberately misrepresenting their academic qualifications with fake degrees.

There are two sources for these illegitimate titles: honorary doctorates and diploma mills. Honorary doctorates may be a nice gesture toward a respected person (as well as a good way to get donations), but these gestures are abused when recipients subsequently call themselves "Dr.", implying they have done the necessary academic work to receive such a title and that the quality of such work was verified by authorities in that field.

Oral Roberts University has been especially liberal in handing out honorary doctorates throughout the charismatic world and many recipients use the title as though it were an earned one.
Honorary doctorates have been given to such esteemed recipients as Kermit the Frog, whose "doctorate" was bestowed upon him by Southampton College in New York. "Dr." Kermit delivered the commencement address, passing along the bit of swamp-wisdom
Kermit has the very same academic qualifications as many notables in the church, including the late "Dr." Jerry Falwell, whose formal education after high school was limited to an undergraduate degree at an unaccredited Bible College.

One can be a very good pastor or evangelist without having a doctorate. I am not demeaning those who do not have such a degree, nor am I trying to imply that self-education is invalid. Still, "Dr." is supposed to mean something commonly understood.
I consider it unethical to treat an honorary title as though it were a legitimate one. If someone is given a "key to the city," they are not thereby authorized to enter any building they choose whenever they want. Honorary doctorates do not qualify recipients to work in the field designated on the diploma. No one wants an honorary doctor to perform heart surgery on them. Diploma mills, the other source of phony degrees, usually have small campuses but impressive websites.

They always lack respectable accreditation. Legitimate seminaries maintain rigid standards for awarding a doctoral degree and these standards are confirmed by respected accrediting agencies. These agencies are private corporations even though they are responsible to government agencies themselves. The government does not dictate what courses should be taught in a properly accredited seminary.

The diploma mill typically awards its degrees to people who complete a token of easy coursework (one diploma mill reportedly hands out "doctorates" in exchange for the reading of one book and the payment of $600). The mill's overhead is minimal as those who run it do not have to maintain the kind of facilities or qualified staff real schools do. They consequently charge the "student" a small fee for their "course work."
There are phony accrediting agencies that these unethical organizations use, so a "schools" "accreditation" may be as phony as their degrees. There are many diploma mills churning out degrees to undeserving ministers in a practice Christian author Steve Levicoff has referred to as "name it and frame it."

"Dr. Dino," (Kent Hovind), spoke in many churches, always calling himself "Dr.," though his formal education past high school consisted of an undergraduate degree from an unaccredited Bible College, and a "doctorate" from a diploma mill run out of the modest home of a man named Lonnie Skinner. Since awarding Hovind's "doctorate," Skinner has named his business "Patriot Bible University," and relocated to a small but separate building. Unfortunately for Hovind, he used similar ethics in paying his taxes and is now in prison for tax evasion.

One, prominent diploma mill for ministers is "Friends International Christian University." This "school" awards doctorates to candidates who, after completing very minimal prerequisites, finish eight, easy correspondence classes. A diligent high school graduate can have his or her "doctorate" in less than a year.

The average, real, earned doctorate takes over eight years to obtain after earning a bachelors and then a master's degree. Doctorates from Friends International Christian University have been awarded to ministers such as "Dr." Fred Price, "Dr." T. D. Jakes, "Dr." Ron Kenoly, and "Dr." Stephen Wiley.

Perhaps no diploma mill has been more successful than "Life Christian University," which consists of a group of people with mostly phony degrees who have awarded "doctorates" to dignitaries such as “Dr.” Rodney Howard-Browne, “Dr.” Joyce Meyer, “Dr.” Kenneth Copeland, “Dr.” Norvel Hayes, “Dr.” Kevin McNulty, "Dr. Billye Brim, and “Dr.” Benny Hinn. Whether these "doctorates" are "earned" or honorary is not clear -- though the difference would be little more than a technicality.

Some diploma mills for ministers make no pretense to legitimacy. American Fellowship Church sells an honorary "Doctorate of Divinity degree" for $50. The Universal Life Church offers a free "Doctorate of Divinity degree" for anyone who receives their rubber-stamp ordination. "Cambridge Theological Seminary," also offers "free" doctorates" but if one wishes to have an actual diploma, fees will be assessed, including ones for "transcripted application," “permanent records," and “state-approved institutional registration." This mill casts aspersions on competing mills and titillates potential clients with the promise of the added prestige one will have using their phony title:

The above quote from this "seminary" website appeals to the apparent motive behind the purchase of fake degrees -- the desire to have an undeserved air of academic respectability. Labeling oneself with a phony doctorate is dishonest. I am convinced that deceiving the church about one's academic credentials in this way is a form of lying to the Holy Spirit.
Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit...?" (Acts 5:3 NASB)
Ananias had "exaggerated" about the percentage of his income he had given, and this deception was less serious than that of most modern, academic, "exaggeration."
"...These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb. And no lie was found in their mouth; they are blameless." (Revelation 14:4-5 NASB).

by David Kowalski
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/2794-name-it-and-frame-it-phony-doctorates-in-the-church

Atleast now we know where Oyakhilome got his "PHD" from.

Marchman, how come you are a member of CE and open this kind of thread?

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WinsomeX:
Atleast now we know where Oyakhilome got his "PHD" from.

Marchman, how come you are a member of CE and open this kind of thread?

Too many reasons. The church is too secretive and not accountable in the least. Such info should be a common knowledge, but lai lai.

To ask question is perceived as sin. Oyakhilome, not the bible, is the orthodoxy. Sad.