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barcanista:
1. You can't dissociate ACN from APC(No matter how hard you try).

2. This is a typical example of Emotional blackmail
“Gentlemen, the truth is that one of them(referring to Ngige and Izunazo) should have been Senate President of Nigeria. But our people, in their myopic thinking, in the smallness of their brain could not see the light and today this act of theirs has denied Ndigbo the Senate President, this act has denied Ndigbo the Speaker of the Federal House. I weep, I weep that this kind of thing can be allowed to happen here.”-Rochas Okorocha, April 4, 2015.

And should I show you another?

3. What "real" influence is attached to the office?

Volksfuhrer:
I see nothing new in this thread, though I expected better from the op. It's the same rehashed discourse of regional hate and emptiness resulting from GEJ's loss at the polls.

The elections are over! It's time for nation building! It's time we buried regional hatred!

Volksfuhrer:
I see nothing new in this thread, though I expected better from the op. It's the same rehashed discourse of regional hate and emptiness resulting from GEJ's loss at the polls.

The elections are over! It's time for nation building! It's time we buried regional hatred!

help3852:
What has igbos gained from all the Senate president and Speakers that they have been producinG, Rochas should stop baseless and selfish sentiments

pazienza:
And what is your solution? We should continue crying over spilled milk rather that start forming alliances that will help us in the future?

Are you blind to see that anything that benefits the SS benefits the SE too? Ikot ekpene. and Uyo are closer to Abia than to Delta, Bayelsa or Edo, anything sited there will benefit the Igbo man more than the Urhobos who live far away.

Abraka is closer to Asaba than to Cross River, anything sited there will Benefit Ndiigbo more than the Efiks.

Portharcourt is closer to Aba than to Bini city, anything sited there will Benefit Ndiigbo more than even those in Yenegoa.

As you can see, SS/SE alliance is the right way to go. None of us can stop that alliance, we can decide to wallow in past induced grievances or sit up and look more at the future.


SE support of GEJ was the right move, reverse the hands of time, even with the benefit of hindsight, Ndiigbo will still support GEJ, with more numbers to counter balance the 2 million plus deficit that caused GEJ defeat. SE can never regret our support for GEJ, make no mistake about that.

barcanista:
I disagree with your last sentence. The position of Speaker carries no "real" weight politically. Dimeji Bankole was Speaker between 2007 and 2011, it never prevented him to lose woefully in his re-election bid neither did it prevent ACN(APC) from taking over the SW in 2011. David Mark has been Senate President since 2007, it never stopped APC from gaining upper hand in Benue State(winning 2 Senate and Governor seats).

vivalavida:
Biko,it is not every tom dick and harry that quotes me. So Bleep outta ma sight

saintneo:
Your view might be right.

barcanista:
I'd have taken you serious but seeing that you are an APC suopporter, I expect nothing less. You should rather tell us what influence or benefit a region get for producing Senate President and House Speaker.

Jesusloveyou:
d same way presidency should not be taking serious,since it wil only benefit his family and cronies,like gej from south south make we suffer more than when northerner is there,

barcanista:
This has been the modus operandi of the APC. The party does not understand freedom of choice and right to choose. The PDP never abused the far north for voting for Presidential candidate CPC in 2011. Nobody told the SW how they have "lost out politically" for voting ACN in their respective States elections in 2011. In fact, when the ACN leaders kicked against Mulikat their kinswoman to favor Tambawal, a Sokoto man, nobody blasted them for shutting themselves out of "prominence". Why can't APC and their supporters learn to be "democratic"?

MrIncrediible:
But why are the Abians crying that they don't want Ochendo?? Is Ochendo not PDP or is Abia not a SE state??
Bunch of hopeless hypocrites!

Ochendo till 2023
Ochendo my role model!!

barcanista:
This thread is in response to the thread copied from ThisDay titled
"APC Zones Senate Presidency To N'central, Speaker To N'east"
https://www.nairaland.com/2263098/apc-zones-senate-presidency-ncentral

According to the article, the positions of Senate President, Deputy Senate President, Speaker Federal House of Representative and Deputy Speaker of the House has been zoned to the North Central, South West, North East and South South respectively by the incoming APC administration. Several posters made comments that bothers on the "loss" of the South East and South South regions for not aligning with the APC.

Any Regional Value With Those Positions?
What value or benefit is associated with the positions of Senate President and House of Representatives Speaker?

Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe was the Senate President in 1960. When he was elected "President", he was replaced with late Dennis Osadebay from Delta State. Osadebe remained in the saddle between 1960 and 1963. Osadebe was succeeded by late Orizu Nwafor, who held the position between 1963 and 1966. In the second republic, the position was occupied by Chief Joseph Wayas from Cross river state. Wayas held it between 1979 to 1983. His tenure was truncated by Buhari's military coup.

Since the return of democracy in 1999, the office has been occupied by FIVE Senators from the South East region. They are Evan Enwerem (1999), Dr Chuba Okadigbo (1999–2000), Anyim Pius Anyim (2000–2003), Adolphus Wabara (2003–2005) and Ken Nnamani (2005–2007)

Similarly, the South East has produced two Speakers of the House of Representative- Jaja Wachuku(1959-1960) and Edwin Ume-Ezeoke (1979–1983).

Did the positions of Senate President and Speaker of the House attract project to the two zones? How has the positions helped in actualising the regional agenda of the SE and SS despite producing occupants in the past?

APC and Political (and Emotional) Blackmail
The All Progressive Congress and their supporters have consistently launched emotional and political blackmail against the SS and SE regions to coerce them into aligning with the party(APC). The aim of this blackmail is simply to achieve a one-party state. It is not about ideology or development but solely on partisanship. Few days after Buhari was declared President-elect, Rochas Okorocha threw punch at the Igbos. He called his "own" people "myopic" and small brain. In his own word...

“Gentlemen, the truth is that one of them(referring to Ngige and Izunazo) should have been Senate President of Nigeria. But our people, in their myopic thinking, in the smallness of their brain could not see the light and today this act of theirs has denied Ndigbo the Senate President, this act has denied Ndigbo the Speaker of the Federal House. I weep, I weep that this kind of thing can be allowed to happen here.”

The Hypocrisy of The APC:
In 2011 the then Speaker of the House Dimeji Bankole lost his re-election bid. The PDP zoned the position to the South West, with Mrs Mulikat Adeola-Akande as the preferred choice. The APC(Then ACN) instructed their members to liase with Tambawal group to ensure Tambawal, a Sokoto man emerges Speaker. Majority of then ACN(APC) Reps as at then were Yorubas just like Mulikat. If the position is so influential and important to the growth of the Yoruba nation why then did Yorubas in the ACN kicked against Mulikat in 2011? Is this not hypocrisy?

Nothing Lost and Nothing To Lose:
Considering that the positions of SP and Speaker only benefit the occupant and his family, the SS and SE did not lose anything in their new role as opposition. On the flip side, it will build the desired political awareness and catalyse sophistication in the established political players in two zones. The people of South South and South East must be resolute in their position of being in opposition and consolidate on their socio-political alliance if they are to achieve anything within the Nigeria state. Defecting or regretting will mean maintaining the status quo of inequality, marginalisation and playing second fiddle in the incoming political dispensation.

Conclusion
The APC and their supporters should channel their energy and resources to fulfilling their campaign promises. They should desist from this inglorious path of blackmail and respect the will of the people. The SS and SE have chosen to remain with the PDP, APC should live with it.

dinachi:
@barcanista, I think you should leave the south east out of your imaginary coalition with south south. It is time to do stock taking and I believe that my people having realized the deception and hollowness of the supposed coalition will realign themselves to be relevant in national politics. Ndigbo supported Jonathan overwhelmingly, let us see how you nigerdelta will support Igbos as we move on. And please stop trying to degrade and patronize Igbos by pretending that Senate Presidency and Speakership means nothing. Nothing can be farther from the truth! Seeing that Igbos lost these positions due to blind support for the disappointing Jonathan, can you please stop rubbing salt into injury and allow Igbos to mourn their loss of these positions quietly.#peace

barcanista:
Nothing Lost and Nothing To Lose:
Considering that the positions of SP and Speaker only benefit the occupant and his family, the SS and SE did not lose anything in their new role as opposition. On the flip side, it will build the desired political awareness and catalyse sophistication in the established political players in two zones. The people of South South and South East must be resolute in their position of being in opposition and consolidate on their socio-political alliance if they are to achieve anything within the Nigeria state. Defecting or regretting will mean maintaining the status quo of inequality, marginalisation and playing second fiddle in the incoming political dispensation.

Conclusion
The APC and their supporters should channel their energy and resources to fulfilling their campaign promises. They should desist from this inglorious path of blackmail and respect the will of the people. The SS and SE have chosen to remain with the PDP, APC should live with it.

UncleJudax:
Oga, whether he is patronizing Igbos or not is a discussion for another.
Take it or leave it, those positions don't amount to crap. I mean, didn't you see the list of past occupants?
The Igbos states should work in concert to transform the region.
For instance, what's stopping the eastern states from pulling resources together and embacking on projects that would help in transforming more lives?
Oh well, even if igbos decide to align with APC, they would still be considered as second class. They should rather build their own brand.
Only igbos will develop Igboland. The writing is on the wall. Read it

dinachi:
My brother, I believe it is high time we dissociated ourselves from this Ijaw deception. Our blind support for Jonathan in the last elections has cost us heavily politically. Now seeking to further isolate us by telling Igbos to ignore the central government is just plain miscalculation. The Ijaws are down politically already and they want to drag us down politically. Our best options had always been to align with the north. In the sixties that gave us president and senate President. In the seventies that gave us vice presidency. Our alignment with Ijaws could only give us sgf, deputies in the national assembly. We need to be wise! The Ijaws only collaborated with us because they were the senior partner in the coalition. They got Presidency which is the highest price. We have suffered and bled with the Ijaws. It is now time to move on and negotiate our deal with our traditional partners the north. There is nothing left to do with the Ijaws. The so called coalition has outlived its usefulness. We should extricate ourselves from their political misfortune and reintegrate our selves into national reckoning. That is the way to go! Regional politics is the politics of yesterday. The South west have realized that already! That is why they formed a coalition with the north.

ItsMeAboki:
Quite on the contrary, the most effective way to bring about change is from staying within the system rather from the outside.
What you are advocating for is in fact self marginalisation and isolation; how else do you expect SE/SS interests to now be adequately recognised and carried along when you are only marginally represented within (the most influential governing group/system) the ruling party.

Nobody is challenging the constitutional right of Igbos and the NDs to freely vote for their choice but rather pointing to the obvious i.e. there will be consequences; in this case they should expect less in terms of privileges when it comes to sharing out political appointments (after all you do not reap what you did not sow)

Yes, the Senate President (3rd highest constitutional ranked person) and the Speaker of the House may not have in the past yielded benefits to the regions of their holders but still no one can ignore the tremendous potential influence they could have over the possible outcome of the passage of a law - imagine how such person could have helped a law e.g. for resource control being agitated for by the southern regions.

UncleJudax:
Oga, whether he is patronizing Igbos or not is a discussion for another.
Take it or leave it, those positions don't amount to crap. I mean, didn't you see the list of past occupants?

The Igbos states should work in concert to transform the region.
For instance, what's stopping the eastern states from pulling resources together and embacking on projects that would help in transforming more lives?

Oh well, even if igbos decide to align with APC, they would still be considered as second class. They should rather build their own brand.

Only igbos will develop Igboland. The writing is on the wall. Read it

Liegeria:
If SW could survive many years of being in opposition, why can't SS/SE even survive longer? I wish you guys many more years in opposition. You have lost nothing by losing the senate presidency and house 'speakership'. But please tell me what you have gained by losing those positions.

dinachi:
@barcanista, I think you should leave the south east out of your imaginary coalition with south south. It is time to do stock taking and I believe that my people having realized the deception and hollowness of the supposed coalition will realign themselves to be relevant in national politics. Ndigbo supported Jonathan overwhelmingly, let us see how you nigerdelta will support Igbos as we move on. And please stop trying to degrade and patronize Igbos by pretending that Senate Presidency and Speakership means nothing. Nothing can be farther from the truth! Seeing that Igbos lost these positions due to blind support for the disappointing Jonathan, can you please stop rubbing salt into injury and allowre Igbos to mourn their loss of these positions quietly.#peace

Obiagelli:
Dinachi God bless you, this guy is just seeking relevance at all cost, i am glad you see his mischief.
First he was anti igbo on the his forum, then he joined the Apc when they were on top, he jumped to the pdp when it looked like gej was going to win the election and now he is here trying to play on SE emotions.
Barcanista leave the SE out of your bullshit. Its a pity i didn't see what people like Gbawe and MzJackBaueress saw earlier.

MzJackBaueress:
If not that you mentioned me,I wouldn't have commented on this thread.

Its high time pro-Buhari supporters stopped posting on Barcanista's threads and contributing to his topics. The more you post on his threads,the more you make him feel so important.

APC has won the presidential elections. His posts are irrelevant and inconsequential. He is only seeking for attention which you guys are giving him.


*walks out of thread*

Obiagelli:
Well said.

Obiagelli:
Dinachi God bless you, this guy is just seeking relevance at all cost, i am glad you see his mischief.
First he was anti igbo on the his forum, then he joined the Apc when they were on top, he jumped to the pdp when it looked like gej was going to win the election and now he is here trying to play on SE emotions.
Barcanista leave the SE out of your bullshit. Its a pity i didn't see what people like Gbawe and MzJackBaueress saw earlier.

dinachi:
My brother, I believe it is high time we dissociated ourselves from this Ijaw deception. Our blind support for Jonathan in the last elections has cost us heavily politically. Now seeking to further isolate us by telling Igbos to ignore the central government is just plain miscalculation. The Ijaws are down politically already and they want to drag us down politically. Our best options had always been to align with the north. In the sixties that gave us president and senate President. In the seventies that gave us vice presidency. Our alignment with Ijaws could only give us sgf, deputies in the national assembly. We need to be wise! The Ijaws only collaborated with us because they were the senior partner in the coalition. They got Presidency which is the highest price. We have suffered and bled with the Ijaws. It is now time to move on and negotiate our deal with our traditional partners the north. There is nothing left to do with the Ijaws. The so called coalition has outlived its usefulness. We should extricate ourselves from their political misfortune and reintegrate our selves into national reckoning. That is the way to go! Regional politics is the politics of yesterday. The South west have realized that already! That is why they formed a coalition with the north.