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REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by Bevista: 9:22pm On Apr 19, 2015
Dear Barcanista,

First and foremost, let me summarize your post on subject matter:

SUMMARY
You estimate rightly, that the APC government will need to spend about N1.5trillion annually to be able to pay N5,000 to 25million unemployed persons. You also estimate that the APC government will need to spend about N373billion annually to be able to feed over 35million pupils in our primary schools. Meaning the government will need about N1.9trillion annually to service these Social Programs alone.

You mention rightly that the Federal budget for 2015 is N4.3trillion, with a total recurrent budget of N2.58trillion. You then question where the APC will get the extra N1.9trillion to service those programs.

On The Program for Unemployed
My attention has been drawn to the fact that the APC said that due to the huge cost of funding this program, they will phase it over 5years at 5million persons per year. This, therefore, puts the cost at N250billion per year.

On Feeding Primary School Pupils
Secondly you estimate that there are around 35million pupils enrolled in our primary schools. That figure, definitely includes private and public secondary schools. You can be sure that the government will only focus their program on public primary school pupils which may not account for more than 20million pupils. In this case, the government will only need about N210billion (i.e. using your N10,667/pupil estimate)

So you see, to service both programs, the government will only require about 450billion as against your estimate of N1.9trillion

On The Budget & How To Fund The Social Programs
So, where would the government get this extra money to fund these programs when our total budget is only about N4.3trillion. You will recall that Buhari has said in different fora that he intends to fund his programs from blocking wastages and mismanagement in the system. How does he hope to achieve this?

Now, even by admission of the GEJ government, Nigeria looses about 400k barrels of crude per day through theft/illegal bunkering. At $50/bbl, this translates to $20million/day and around $7.3billion/year. At the current exchange rate of N200/$, this will translate to about N1.46trillion. The federal government share (i.e. 52%) of this figure will be about N760billion.

It might also interest you to note that the NNPC does not remit proceeds of crude oil sales directly to the Federation account until they have finished deciding what to spend and what to remit – thus giving room for all manner of misappropriation and fraud. You can be rest assured that in this government, all sales from crude oil will first and foremost land in the Federation Account and the NNPC will have to present a budget like every other government agency/parastatal. While it is not clear how much can be saved here, I am pretty sure we will be talking about 100s of billions.

The government shall also be more efficient in getting remittances from FIRS, NPA, Nigerian Customs etc to boost government revenue.

So by my estimate, the minimum Nigerian Federal Budget should ideally be in the region of N5.5 – N6trillion annually, thus giving the government enough latitude to do more. I’m sure you will see this starting from the 2016 budget. With a GDP of over $500billion and a population of over 170million, this budget is still too small. To put things in perspective, South Africa has a GDP of about $350billion and a population of about 45million, yet they have an annual budget in excess of N20trillion. Clearly, there are so many loopholes in the Nigerian system, making it difficult to capture most of the accruable revenue to the government.

In summary, I am pretty confident that this government has the credibility and commitment to perform remarkably well. Even if we do not support or trust them, let's atleast give them the benefit of doubt. While I am not a big fan of such Social Programs, I think it is economically feasible.

Yours Truly,
Bevista

cc: lalasticlala
Seun
Obiagelli

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by sammynash11(m): 9:44pm On Apr 19, 2015
Ok na
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by remsonik(f): 9:46pm On Apr 19, 2015
Very well said op.
I believe by the time every institution of government is made to function as it should and agriculture becomes our main source of export revenue. All loopholes of corruption will be plugged then it won't be a problem to actually do all he promised.
Once corruption is tackled and power is back on track then we have nothing to worry about.
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by healthcons: 9:53pm On Apr 19, 2015
It believe Buhari/APC can achieve these if they can rule for next 16yrs. PDP spend 16yrs in power. Lets try APC for d next 16yrs and see what will happen.
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by lagbaja(m): 9:54pm On Apr 19, 2015
I can't see what is wrong with paying N5000 to 25million unemployed Nigerians so long as they find a way to make it compulsory for the beneficiaries to patronize locally made goods and services. That's simply Keynesian economics, government creates demand which in turn creates a surge in supply by the private sector which in turns create jobs and many chain positive effects on the economy. it works ! Feeding school children with locally produced food will have a similar positive effect on the economy.

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by adaweezy(m): 9:56pm On Apr 19, 2015
Front page let's sail their
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by Nobody: 10:05pm On Apr 19, 2015
Dem don dey deny the advert wey we watch for TV with our korokoro eyes again ooo grin

Sir with all due respect, go and read the APC manifesto. It was clearly written there, i think in page 5 that they (APC) will pay 25 million people =N=5000. In addition, they also said they will continue paying our NYSC graduates until they're able to secure jobs.

Kindly ask the Fura drinking General to roll up his sleeves and get to work, NO EXCUSES!!

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by san316(m): 10:07pm On Apr 19, 2015
Supported. But I would still prefer to stick to the 5000 to unemployed graduates. It is still possible. Those saying it is not are those underestimating the extent of looting and theft in government offices.
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by zekki: 10:07pm On Apr 19, 2015
Mr. enemy of progress yourself, friends and families will benefit more from this Government than that of the former please stop attacking Buhari instead suggest way forward. Nigeria belongs to all of us and we pray God to make it greater than where we are now.
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by ChinemeOkpan: 10:13pm On Apr 19, 2015
You can only give what you have....

In essence, if your education is limited and not comprehensive, you will surely embarrass yourself.

When all your references are based on newspaper articles, you know there is a problem!

Lalasticlala please do justice - thanks

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by chymystique(f): 10:13pm On Apr 19, 2015
healthcons:
It believe Buhari/APC can achieve these if they can rule for next 16yrs. PDP spend 16yrs in power. Lets try APC for d next 16yrs and see what will happen.


Its 4yrs.... so we expeCt them to deliver on their promises on/b4 2019

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by barackosama(m): 10:17pm On Apr 19, 2015
Na so i settle down do my MAT312 Test wey as result come out i kon see 3/40. #TakeCare
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by ChinemeOkpan: 10:17pm On Apr 19, 2015
Bevista:
Dear Barcanista,

First and foremost, let me summarize your post on subject matter:

SUMMARY
You estimate rightly, that the APC government will need to spend about N1.5trillion annually to be able to pay N5,000 to 25million unemployed persons.

No he did not Sir.

This is an excerpt of PYO's explanation of the Conditional Cash Transfer Programme

“We will give N5, 000 to the poorest 25 million over a phased period, if their children are enrolled in school and participate in immunization.

“So we are actually doing two things; we are giving stipends to the very poorest and ensuring that in order to earn that stipend they certify two conditions”, he said.

He further noted that the party decided on the 25 million figure because that is what they can deal with in the first phase, adding that “we are looking at phasing it over a period because it will cost about N1.35 trillion to do so if we do all 25 million at once.

He maintained that, if elected, the programme will be done in batches of 5 million people a year, adding that “depending on resources we can even do more”.

He said the N1.35 trillion they are proposing for the Conditional Cash Transfer Programme’ is not so much compared to the AMCON bailout of “persons who are in debt, many businesses and businessmen and it cost N5.7 trillion to do and that is a bailout of the relatively wealthy”.

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by ChinemeOkpan: 10:25pm On Apr 19, 2015
rudedough:
[s]Dem don dey deny the advert wey we watch for TV with our korokoro eyes again ooo grin

Sir with all due respect, go and read the APC manifesto. It was clearly written there, i think in page 5 that they (APC) will pay 25 million people =N=5000. In addition, they also said they will continue paying our NYSC graduates until they're able to secure jobs.

Kindly ask the Fura drinking General to roll up his sleeves and get to work, NO EXCUSES!![/s]


Be civil please, that is the President Elect of Nigeria.

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by Nobody: 10:40pm On Apr 19, 2015
what sort of welfare package lasts for just a year?

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by eph12(m): 11:01pm On Apr 19, 2015
ChinemeOkpan:



Be civil please, that is the President Elect of Nigeria.
Lol. You're right but there was nothing civil about the names the president is/was called by your friends.

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by Generalkorex(m): 11:09pm On Apr 19, 2015
Oya calculations don start
alot of mathematicians in the house
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by Alphaoscar: 11:42pm On Apr 19, 2015
My advice to bacarnista is that he should wait till May 29 handover day before he start judging the newly elect government.

We know his finger and body are itching to start his revenge mission but he will still have to wait for the appropriate time for that.

Even though I am not a fan of this social welfare programme but it is very possible to implement if the government can summon the will to make it happen and I have no doubt in my mind that Buhari/Osinbajo led government will summon all the summontables to make it possible.
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by Ymodulus: 11:54pm On Apr 19, 2015
Tying.....
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by IbokUtoroh(m): 12:28am On Apr 20, 2015
Bevista:
Dear Barcanista,

First and foremost, let me summarize your post on subject matter:

SUMMARY
You estimate rightly, that the APC government will need to spend about N1.5trillion annually to be able to pay N5,000 to 25million unemployed persons. You also estimate that the APC government will need to spend about N373billion annually to be able to feed over 35million pupils in our primary schools. Meaning the government will need about N1.9trillion annually to service these Social Programs alone.

You mention rightly that the Federal budget for 2015 is N4.3trillion, with a total recurrent budget of N2.58trillion. You then question where the APC will get the extra N1.9trillion to service those programs.

On The Program for Unemployed
My attention has been drawn to the fact that the APC said that due to the huge cost of funding this program, they will phase it over 5years at 5million persons per year. This, therefore, puts the cost at N250billion per year.

On Feeding Primary School Pupils
Secondly you estimate that there are around 35million pupils enrolled in our primary schools. That figure, definitely includes private and public secondary schools. You can be sure that the government will only focus their program on public primary school pupils which may not account for more than 20million pupils. In this case, the government will only need about N210billion (i.e. using your N10,667/pupil estimate)

So you see, to service both programs, the government will only require about 450billion as against your estimate of N1.9trillion

On The Budget & How To Fund The Social Programs
So, where would the government get this extra money to fund these programs when our total budget is only about N4.3trillion. You will recall that Buhari has said in different fora that he intends to fund his programs from blocking wastages and mismanagement in the system. How does he hope to achieve this?

Now, even by admission of the GEJ government, Nigeria looses about 400k barrels of crude per day through theft/illegal bunkering. At $50/bbl, this translates to $20million/day and around $7.3billion/year. At the current exchange rate of N200/$, this will translate to about N1.46trillion. The federal government share (i.e. 52%) of this figure will be about N760billion.

It might also interest you to note that the NNPC does not remit proceeds of crude oil sales directly to the Federation account until they have finished deciding what to spend and what to remit – thus giving room for all manner of misappropriation and fraud. You can be rest assured that in this government, all sales from crude oil will first and foremost land in the Federation Account and the NNPC will have to present a budget like every other government agency/parastatal. While it is not clear how much can be saved here, I am pretty sure we will be talking about 100s of billions.

The government shall also be more efficient in getting remittances from FIRS, NPA, Nigerian Customs etc to boost government revenue.

So by my estimate, the minimum Nigerian Federal Budget should ideally be in the region of N5.5 – N6trillion annually, thus giving the government enough latitude to do more. I’m sure you will see this starting from the 2016 budget. With a GDP of over $500billion and a population of over 170million, this budget is still too small. To put things in perspective, South Africa has a GDP of about $350billion and a population of about 45million, yet they have an annual budget in excess of N20trillion. Clearly, there are so many loopholes in the Nigerian system, making it difficult to capture most of the accruable revenue to the government.

In summary, I am pretty confident that this government has the credibility and commitment to perform remarkably well. Even if we do not support or trust them, let's atleast give them the benefit of doubt. While I am not a big fan of such Social Programs, I think it is economically feasible.

Yours Truly,
Bevista

cc: lalasticlala
Seun
Obiagelli






bobo ur illustration was making sense till when i reach d part 'nIGERIA LOSES 400K barrels of oil a day', pls lemme educate u on this issue.
nigeria dont lose such quantity as being peddle by the media, what happens is once there is pipeline vandalisation, the company operating such lines shut its valves n thereby causn seizure of crude to the other end. during that time interval the receiving end loses products and also time due to unavailabiity of poducts. in summary the distributing end wont lose any products only that its lines n pipes hv been damage which will need repairs but products distribution has been put on hold cos every pumps hv been lock. u dont lose what u dont pump. the only commodity lost here is TIME, TIME AND TIME.
Or put it dis way u r supplyng water from ur haus to anoda haus thro hose n along the line the hose got bursted by a passing vehicle, will u allow d water to keep wasting while trying to fix the hose?
considering the fact that u r constantly monitoring ur hose n there is someone at the main supply handling the tap?
dont act as if u never went to school, its only a fool that will neglect safety measures while working in an oil rig.
if an only they employ FOOLS!

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by dunkem21(m): 12:37am On Apr 20, 2015
Barcanista, you hit a home run.

Everywhere na "Buhari social programme"
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by Volksfuhrer(m): 1:05am On Apr 20, 2015
lagbaja:
I can't see what is wrong with paying N5000 to 25million unemployed Nigerians so long as they find a way to make it compulsory for the beneficiaries to patronize locally made goods and services. That's simply Keynesian economics, government creates demand which in turn creates a surge in supply by the private sector which in turns create jobs and many chain positive effects on the economy. it works ! Feeding school children with locally produced food will have a similar positive effect on the economy.

Many nay sayers don't even see the program as an economic stimulus. Nor have they considered its multiplier effects on National Income.

The program is not only feasible, it's also not a big deal when properly executed!
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by missdebs(f): 2:41am On Apr 20, 2015
Barcanista isnt worth all this attention, haters gon hate
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by KanwuliaJara: 4:27am On Apr 20, 2015
Dead on arrival of course!

Only a fool would think of spending money he or she does not have.
With a deficit tag, Nigeria can only think of generating income. . .AND EMPLOYMENT, not feeding ALMAJIRIS in the WEST AND NORTH!

Mtcheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew!!!! kiss

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by ideykwum: 6:24am On Apr 20, 2015
My dear, what is sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander! It is just starting...You all have taught us how to abuse our president and we can't unlearn it!! Waiting for the bashing to begin!!


ChinemeOkpan:



Be civil please, that is the President Elect of Nigeria.

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by laposta: 9:35am On Apr 20, 2015
I thought APC manifesto said they were going the pay the N5,000 to 25 million Nigerians MONTHLY? While the program can be phased, it still remains a recurring expenditure and as such it will increase every year till the 25 million Nigerians are reached.

I think APC's social programs are dead water. If they're able to plug all the leaks in government revenue sources, it will be folly to then expend it all on social welfare. What will happen to the mammoth infrastructure upgrade they promised us?

cc: ChinemeOkpan
barcanista
Obiagelli

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by Confussion2: 9:59am On Apr 20, 2015
First of all the of what benefit is this social welfare to Nigerians. More n more inflation. U don't energize or run a well structured economy by dashing people money. That is one.
Two, What SA is experiencing now will start happening here in Nigeria where bunch of folks will be contented with collecting 5k every month. If not that NYSC has a duration at which ur to exit , some folks are ready to be full time NYSC member. Soo that APC welfare package is nonsense.

Moreover, we all know how power sector is in shambles bcuz of vandalization of gas pipe lines to these power plants. Most of them political cuz unlike Fuel u can't scoop or steal gas. Soo APC better be ready to wipe this out.

Finally in as much as I wud want to give Buhari a chance to fight this so called corruption, it is gud well organised institution that fights corruption not some jailing of lads. And am wondering if we will have different people at custums, FIRS, etc that will just change overnight and start remiting money to federal coffers to do these social welfare schemes. Wish Buhari n APC well.

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by SirShymexx: 10:09am On Apr 20, 2015
The initial vacuous illiterate-write epistle written by the obtuse paid hack, and tripe rejoinders written by political jobbers from the other side show that there's a dearth of intellectualism on these sides. And Nigeria has a long way to go to before it becomes an intellectual property. Freaking weasels!

When you don't have the actual numbers, and proper insight into how whoever proposed an initiative is planning to go about it. Especially, how he'll source revenue/funds - there's no point debating it. Numbers are very important.

You lot just love making unnecessary noise everywhere to hear what you sound like. undecided

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by Eruditor: 10:59am On Apr 20, 2015
^^^

Poster above is a glib fencist that should be ignored.

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by Eruditor: 11:10am On Apr 20, 2015
IbokUtoroh:







bobo ur illustration was making sense till when i reach d part 'nIGERIA LOSES 400K barrels of oil a day', pls lemme educate u on this issue.
nigeria dont lose such quantity as being peddle by the media, what happens is once there is pipeline vandalisation, the company operating such lines shut its valves n thereby causn seizure of crude to the other end. during that time interval the receiving end loses products and also time due to unavailabiity of poducts. in summary the distributing end wont lose any products only that its lines n pipes hv been damage which will need repairs but products distribution has been put on hold cos every pumps hv been lock. u dont lose what u dont pump. the only commodity lost here is TIME, TIME AND TIME.
Or put it dis way u r supplyng water from ur haus to anoda haus thro hose n along the line the hose got bursted by a passing vehicle, will u allow d water to keep wasting while trying to fix the hose?
considering the fact that u r constantly monitoring ur hose n there is someone at the main supply handling the tap?
dont act as if u never went to school, its only a fool that will neglect safety measures while working in an oil rig.
if an only they employ FOOLS!

Absolute rubbish. The roughly 2M barrels of crude per day that Nigeria produces is what DPR colluding with NNPC came out to tell Nigerians- not what actually is. The reason for this is that they cannot properly monitor the actual production figures due to cronyism, being understaffed and underequipped and lastly because of government bureaucracies.

Ask anyone you know that works offshore or on a rig. Many days at a stretch, barges from politicians and friends of the president come to platforms and bunker crude. The Asaris and Tompolos too do same. This is even beyond vandalising pipelines. Also you have IOCs like AGIP that have mastered the art of producing false production figures so that they can shortchange FG in the so-called 60-40% sharing formula they still have for most of their JVs. So if AGIP produces 300K bbl/d, they will report that they produced 250K bbl/d in their production manual and the DPR staff that should have raised an alarm will either be gagged with a mouth-watering bribe or his superior would have been and he too will in turn force him to acquiesce in their demands and agree with the false report.

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Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by SirShymexx: 11:11am On Apr 20, 2015
^^^In as much as "fencist" (non-partisan is more appropriate) looks like Nigerian-English (Niglish like I call it), what's bad in maintaining neutrality when it comes policies? A real man doesn't pledge allegiance to stupidity - you associate based on ya conscience, and what you think is right.

Stop spamming everywhere with junk, if you don't have accurate figures - it makes you look uneducated and silly.
Re: REJOINDER: Buhari Social Program: Laudable, Laughable Or Dead On Arrival? by SLIDEwaxie(m): 12:07pm On Apr 20, 2015
healthcons:
It believe Buhari/APC can achieve these if they can rule for next 16yrs. PDP spend 16yrs in power. Lets try APC for d next 16yrs and see what will happen.
that's not happening. Nothing in 4yrs and they're gone.

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