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Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 10:38am On Apr 22, 2015 |
Pr0ton:very good, you agree, the two verse is talking about "hear" and not" understand" now this is my points, the word hear has two Greek meaning are; " The genitive case is the sense of "being aware but not understanding", whereas the other is in the sense of "you heard it." This two meaning are pointing to the same thing the word "hear" YOU HERED IT AND DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS AS GOOD AS YOU DID NOT HEARD IT. The encounter made Paul to be blind, he couldn't have seen there reaction or faces,but after the encounter, he could've known the people what happened,honestly I don't know how to put it, but trust me, there is no contradiction in there, the misunderstanding come from the Greek and English meaning of the word. I am busy I may not be able tp reply you the way you preferred.peace. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by Pr0ton: 11:10am On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: The same Greek word is used in the two verses and their meanings should be the same. If the writer had wanted it different he would have used a different word to clear up confusion, especially when he said to be divinely inspired. The encounter made Paul to be blind, he couldn't have seen there reaction or faces,but after the encounter, he could've known the people what happened,honestly I don't know how to put it, but trust me, there is no contradiction in there, the misunderstanding come from the Greek and English meaning of the word. There is. It's just irreconcileable. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by PastorAIO: 11:15am On Apr 22, 2015 |
at the end of the day, when you can make any word mean anything there is no point arguing about contradictions. and if the hermeneutical gymnastics don't work there is always the good old technique of claiming that you've already explained it you don't want to keep going over it. That seems to be the latest trick, to just claim to have argued something conclusively without even touching on it. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 2:29pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
udatso:you don't know what you are talking about, I will not go into the quran to attack you as they say "two wrong cannot make a right" but know this the quran is the only religious book that abrogate it teaching and the same replace revelation are still in the quran, so pleased just stay out of this. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 2:52pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
Pr0ton:what do you mean by "their"? We are not talking about two different word but ONE and it's the word "hear" and the word (hear) has two different meaning but if you pay close attention to the meaning,they are indicating the same thing. hearing the voice and do not see who is talking is the same thing as I do not hear. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 3:30pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
Pr0ton:if you want to talk about peter dispute with Paul you can create a thread and demand for answer; Galatians 2:12-13 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. Even peter know what he was doing is wrong that why he withdraw himself. "but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood." Acts 15:20, ESV "But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, 'If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?'” Gal. 2:14, ESV (regarding abstaining from meat sacrificed to idols) "He requireth nothing at their hands but that which they were bound to do by brotherly concord." -Calvin's Commentary on Acts "his conduct was greatly aggravated by compelling the Gentiles to observe Jewish ceremonies, while he, being a Jew, left himself at liberty. The law was given to Jews, not to Gentiles; so that he argues from the less to the greater...he compelled the Gentiles, by withdrawing from their communion, unless they chose to submit to the yoke of the law" Calvin's Commentary on Galatians It seems that James was requiring the Gentiles to live like Jews in order to keep "brotherly concord." Though nothing wrong in itself with the meat, the Jews see it as wrong so let's abstain to keep the Gentile & Jewish church united. (a lesson in our day regarding alcohol consumption among brothers?) The context in eph2:15 is ONE IN CHRIST. The context does not indicating abandoned the law, it about one UNION.infacte Paul himself said this; Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. The law cannot saved us but it is the instruments which God will used to saved us, the law is to revealed our sinful nature,without the law I will not known "adultery" so when Paul mention we are One in christ, it indicating that we should look up to christ as a perfect example in keeping the law, infacte the context does not say we should abolished anything, read from verse one too the end. Many christians cult are misinterpreting the bible, if you want to understand the bible, first understand the context. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by PastorAIO: 3:42pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Classic! 2 Likes |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by Rilwayne001: 3:55pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
^^ Classic indeed 1 Like |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by PastorAIO: 4:02pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
he who has ears to hear, let him hear. He who has eyes to see, let him see. He who has eyes to see before he hears, let him synesthesise. 2 Likes |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by johnydon22(m): 4:23pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Wooow am impressed . . . really really impressed |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by Rilwayne001: 4:24pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
PastorAIO: How about those who can't see? do we then assume that since they can't see they are equally deaf? according to malviguy " hearing the voice and do not see who is talking is the same thing as I do not hear. chai 1 Like |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by Pr0ton: 4:34pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: What? Johnydon22 is that true? |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 4:38pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
johnydon22:I see, you are not bias this time, keep it up. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 4:40pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
PastorAIO:good day my good friend. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by Pr0ton: 4:43pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
This is another argument for another thread. You can create a thread for it. malvisguy212: |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by Rilwayne001: 4:44pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Indeed he is not bias on this. Weldone, monseur malvis |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by udatso: 4:59pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Hahaha suddenly malvisguy212 now the good guy. You can't ask me to stay out of this Am right here.......i have given you a good advice to tell him it's the holy spirit and you failed to take my advice. Grabbing my pop corn to see your more twisting of alukuo abi na aloku hear and understand explanation |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by johnydon22(m): 5:17pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Hahahahahaha i mean am impressed at the glaring lie.. How can you even bear uttering such stuff in public. hearing the voice and do notHow can hearing something but not seeing still amount to not hearing it... Woooow am still impressed 1 Like |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by johnydon22(m): 5:19pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
Pr0ton: Am impressed at the dumb dumber dumbest analogy i have ever seen on nairaland.. "hearing something but not seeing it means not hearing it" hahahahahaha i don die ooo pr0ton come hold me before i faint here.. 1 Like |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by Pr0ton: 5:28pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
johnydon22: Abeg no faint oo When I first read the sentence I had to ask a guy beside me just to be sure that I'm actually okay 1 Like |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by plaetton: 5:48pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: If the bible is is god-inspired and god-dictated, it would be necessary for a mere mortal like to try to explain plain contradictions in it, whether it is related to Greek meaning or Hebrew meanings. A god-inspired work should have no contradictions whatsoever. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 6:14pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
johnydon22:it is you guys here don't understand, hearing a word and you do not understand it meaning or see the man who is talking is as good as not hearing anything, that was what the Greek word of Akouo mean, and the two verse are related to this same meaning. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 6:17pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
plaetton:let me past my second post on this thread. " The Bible must be the invention either of good men or angels, bad men or devils, or of God. However, it was not written by good men, because good men would not tell lies by saying ‘Thus saith the Lord;’ it was not written by bad men because they would not write about doing good duty, while condemning sin, and themselves to hell; thus, it must be written by divine inspiration." |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 6:20pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
Pr0ton:this thread has been around for a while, https://www.nairaland.com/1981918/did-paul-invent-christianity |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by plaetton: 6:24pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Lol. ..and the divine inspiration is what is causing the confusion? Is that your point? |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 6:35pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
plaetton:yes, to the canal minded man,the word of God is foolishness to them, the reason why there is soo much controversy surrounding Paul is because Paul teach what other prophet preach, and to do this, he need to break it down.to understand the teaching of Paul you need to be guided by the holy spirit,a teachable spirit. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by plaetton: 6:47pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: This pure baloney, and it amazes me that you do not recognize the glaring contradictions in what you write. Why would a wise god who is all knowing, who created the languages that we understand and speak not inspire a written work that should not require deciphering? Does that mean that god didn't know how to express himself in simple Hebrew, Greek, roman, or English? Funny that you don't see how silly it sounds that god gave Paul something to decipher for humanity, and then Paul ended up making a mess of it. Lol. 1 Like |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by Rilwayne001: 6:53pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Smh |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 7:05pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
plaetton:the bible is the word of God but there is some verse the writer add there opinion and also, it will be difficult to reconciled English meaning and Hebrew or Greek together. Before you conclude your opinion on contradiction, check for the possible answer to you question, you must know the Hebrew and Greek word of every words, good evening. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by plaetton: 7:14pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Eff-ing bulkshyte. So everyone in the world is required to be fluent in Hebrew and Greek to understand message of god as written in the bible? Funny that you are conceding that some parts of the bible(god's word) contain falsehoods not inspired by god. Very interesting indeed. Hhhmm! I Wonder what parts if the bible we find these falsehoods. Could it be the virgin birth, the miracles, the Crucifixion, the resurrection, or the ascension? And these were all part of god's plan? Gosh! 1 Like |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by MightySparrow: 8:12pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
Hypocrisy. |
Re: Can Christians Ever Reconcile This Contradiction? by malvisguy212: 8:21pm On Apr 22, 2015 |
plaetton:you guys are bias, if you want to learn yoruba you will have to learn every word first.the bible is translated in Greek Hebrew and Aramic , you will have to understand the meaning of each word before you made your conclusion, let me give you an example of hausa language; Ina kwana in English is good morning but when you look into it once again; ina kwana soppose to be " where you sleep". This is what the op soppose to understand, every languages has this problems.I can give you thousands of example and contradiction in hausa language that people have no problems with. |
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