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tablu:
Many of you havin claims that Hitler was not a christian, u will be stunned to see him chillin with christ in heaven on that last day...

OLAADEGBU:
Was Hitler a Christian, if yes give us your reasons.

tablu:
who are we to ask whether mr A is a better christian than mr B.God looks into the content of our thoughts.And out of the abundance of our minds, our mouth speaketh...

OLAADEGBU:
Skeptics and people from the other religion find it convenient to allege that Adolf Hitler was a Christian. The fact that Hitler mentioned Jesus or quoted from the Scriptures does not make him a Christian just as a Muslim referring to Jesus does not make him a Christian. It can be proved that Hitler was an atheist or at best an occultist.

Below is an article by James Patrick Holding elucidating the reality of Hitler's belief system and how it can be classified as a pseudo-Christian heretical belief.

Read full article here: http://www.equip.org/article/was-hitler-a-christian/…#‎Apologetics‬

udatso:
Don't worry, I got your biased view. If someone is a Christian and you squeeze him but didn't see Christ in him, then he is obviously not a Christian even though he says he is. On the other hand if you squeeze a Muslim and you didn't find Islam, he is surely a Muslim since he has called himself one
CONTINUE WITH THE BIGOTRY, I LIKE IT WHEN A PROPAGANDIST SHOOT HIMSELF ON THE FOOT

OLAADEGBU:
I am not asking whether Mr. A is a better Christian than Mr. B. The question was and remains; was Hitler a Christian? How will you be able to determine an orange tree without looking at the fruits? If I tell you that a tree bearing cashew nuts is an orange tree will you believe?

OLAADEGBU:
To be sincere, I didn't even read the epistle according to EzioAuditore and I doubt that you read the link of the OP. Since you are playing the devil's advocate tell us in your own words what makes Hitler a Christian. Remember that God wants spiritual fruits not religious nuts.

9jaforlife:
Christians are very good- or should I say dumb, at covering their tracks!

The fact that they love to judge others with so much partiality often makes them to shoot themselves in the leg, hence they need to forge a cosmetic-picture to suit the false perfect image by which they dubiously present themselves!

EzioAuditore:
GAME, SET, MATCH!!!



Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:



History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.

Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.



Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

Hitler and the Popeg) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism



How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.



How the Nazi Regime converted the people:

a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”

b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.

d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.

e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.

Nazi Belt Bucklef) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.

g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.

h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.



Quotes from Hitler:

Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)

PastorAIO:
It is not my place to pronounce who is a christian or not. My point for months has been that it is not your place either and it is an arrogance and obnoxious presumption on your part to go around calling anyone who does not share your level of bigotry a non christian.

tablu:
Ur arguement is based on the fact that Hitler has terrible antecedents to begin with.Alot of conjectures have been made by historians regardin his religious background even though it is a known fact that he was a born catholic and he never publicly renounced it in his life time. If you read mein kampf he said and I quote. "By defending myself against the jew, I am fighting for the work of the lord".The Nazi where agents of religion whether knowinly or not.Just like how the catholic institution slaughtered millions of christians in the most brutal Jihad known in history.Soo did hitler have a terrible pedigree which many think is not good enough for God to use as an instrument in the propagation of christianity...

McSterling:
Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Corrie Ten Boom come to mind. I read sometime ago that Hitler also used the antisemitic writings of the reformer Martin Luther to justify his pogrom.

PastorAIO:
It is not my place to pronounce who is a christian or not. My point for months has been that it is not your place either and it is an arrogance and obnoxious presumption on your part to go around calling anyone who does not share your level of bigotry a non christian.

jared007:
Adolf Hitler was not a christian but a chronic occultist. Recruited into the German Brotherhood of Death(Thule Society). Was sponsored by the occultic Jesuits of the Roman Catholics and the Satanic House of Rothschild during the World War. Herr Hitler!

Ubenedictus:
yeah,

the question becomes even more redundant as the "definition of a christian" and how one becomes a christian changes from denomination to denomination. For orthodox, catholics, lutherians, anglican and a host of others, anyone even a child validly baptised using the trinitarian formular is thereby incorporated into the body of Christ and may rightly be called a Christian, for the reform circle to become a Christian is to accept Jesus as Lord and savior, and thus be "saved" and this salvation cannot be lost even if you kill the whole world.

So yes hitler could have been a Christian no matter the definition used, if baptism is used as the criteria then he was certainly baptised, if accepting Jesus as lord is the criteria then he may have had a salvation experience when he was young and was thus saved for all eternity. For all we know hitler could have been a christian.

McSterling:
Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Corrie Ten Boom come to mind. I read sometime ago that Hitler also used the antisemitic writings of the reformer Martin Luther to justify his pogrom.

Abuamam:
You sir, are a truthful christian, you must be catholic. I am sure you cannot possibly be a pentecostal.

Abuamam:
You sir, are a truthful christian, you must be catholic. I am sure you cannot possibly be a pentecostal.

OLAADEGBU:
May I ask you what constitutes a "truthful Christian"?

Empiree:
...is when he lies, cheats, bombs muslim countries, allows homosick, walks around naked and says faith is in the heart, evangelizes by lies, claims god is one with three heads, and many more. These are traits of a truthful christian. Sounds familiar?

Abuamam:
Verrry interesting. Gives one a whole new perspective. Will do a little more digging on the issue.

Jazakum Allah khayra.

OLAADEGBU:
May I ask you what constitutes a "truthful Christian"?

OLAADEGBU:
May I ask you what constitutes a "truthful Christian"?

Ubenedictus:
my dear, I try not to overgeneralise or stereotype, I have seen truthful protestants, and I believe most people are capable of truth depending on how much the issue in question affects them.
You may be happy about my supposed truth now and totally disagree when the "truth" I speak is directly opposed to what you believe.
And Yes, I am a catholic and thank you, I believe there is a compliment concealed there.

jared007:
Adolf Hitler was not a christian but a chronic occultist. Recruited into the German Brotherhood of Death(Thule Society). Was sponsored by the occultic Jesuits of the Roman Catholics and the Satanic House of Rothschild during the World War. Herr Hitler!

Ubenedictus:
easy dear, the Jesuits had nothing to do with hitler.

Orunto:
NO!!! He was devilish. He didn't see Light. He didn't do anything Good. And he moved, dreamt, acted and interacted wickedly and deadly in his time. So he wasn't a Christian.

PastorAIO:
No, you may NOT ask. Not while you leave unanswered the same questions posed of you. Unless you are happy for him to answer that when you squeeze a truthful christian you will get truthful christianity juice.

Abuamam:
A 'truthful Christian' is an extremely rare type of learned Christian (a christian here denoting one who believes in Jesus as a saviour); who retains his objectivity and speaks the truth; whether it is for; or against his beliefs. Found only among the catholics and a few of the older, established protestants.

Abuamam:
Truthfulness is not measured by agreement or disagreement with me. It is measured by sincerity... saying what you believe to be true; even if it could be harmful to your position. I have had many friends from among the curates and priests in a catholic seminary, and I have no qualms in holding any form of discussion with them; and no resentment in disagreement; though our theological differences are vast. Contrary to popular view, we Muslims do not resent SCHOLARLY reviews or analyses of our faith or its tenets... as long as mutual respect is maintained. However, there are people devoid of scholarship or education, (some even boast of being former armed robbers now 'saved': praise the Lord) who wake up one day 'filled with holy spirit wisdom', then go around displaying their foolishness.

OLAADEGBU:
As a truthful Muslim do you believe in the words of Jesus Christ? He said "I am the way, the truth and the life" John 14:6

OLAADEGBU:
Both of you have one thing in common and it has to do with the Jews. Do you believe or have used Al taqqiya in your debates or discussion before?

OLAADEGBU:
Good points here. He certainly couldn't have been a Christian seeing that he loved death just as many here who equally hate the Jews and Christians. Can you give us more details on his association with the occultic Jesuits that you mentioned above?

OLAADEGBU:
Have you got evidence to buttress your assertion?