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ifeness:
Even if they do,the bottom line is the story belonged to the Sumerians. They told it,not Moses. The answer still points towards Big Bang theory. We need to chill and let science figure out more or add the dots. Remember science deal with evidence and not assumption. God is a lie.

Hey calm down. . . . lol.. you are speeding

johnydon22:
Lmao, you brought up the trinity yarn to cover up the jewish blunder.

Elohim being derived from EL (the supreme god of the canaanite pentheon) was a plural form being used when referring to el and his consort asherah.

Isreal was a canaanite civilization and derived their god concept from the canaanite pentheon, EL.

That was exactly how it was. Sooner or later our friend will turn Atheist.

Misogynist2014:
If not by faith, how will I predict the future? If I have a very strong database, won't it be a walk in the park?

Future? Now give me an example !!! predict a future occurrence lets see

johnydon22:
Lmao, you brought up the trinity yarn to cover up the jewish blunder.

Elohim being derived from EL (the supreme god of the canaanite pentheon) was a plural form being used when referring to el and his consort asherah.

Isreal was a canaanite civilization and derived their god concept from the canaanite pentheon, EL.

Though the Jews don't believe in Trinity because it hasn't been revealed, they at least believe in the (26 And God said, Let us make man in our image,) GODLINESS (plural distinct state bond by LOVE) which was hidden from the foundation of the world in order not to be mixed with gods.

That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,
saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter
things which have been kept secret from the foundation of
the world.

johnydon22:
Future? Now give me an example !!! predict a future occurrence lets see

There will be at least a rainfall before December.

johnydon22:
By tiny particles you mean

Big bang

Now

Misogynist2014:
Big bang

Big bang means tiny particles??
Woooooow . . . Am dead!!! education is murdered
Can you define what big bang is please please!!!

Misogynist2014:
There will be at least a rainfall before December.

Puahahahahahahahahahahahahaha someone named johnydon22 will post on nairaland before december.. here thats another prophecy

And you need faith to believe this crap above? ...lmao.. Johny have seen things oo

Misogynist2014:
Though the Jews don't believe in Trinity because it hasn't been revealed, they at least believe in the (26 And God said, Let us make man in our image,) GODLINESS (plural distinct state bond by LOVE) which was hidden from the foundation of the world in order not to be mixed with gods.

That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,
saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter
things which have been kept secret from the foundation of
the world.

It was hidden from them, then suddenly god snapped and said "aaaah leme reveal it to some funny dressed old men and a greedy roman emperor presiding over the council of nicea. . . lol.. Funny god eeehn

What you dont know is that if the council of nicea never agreed on the deity of Jesus, you wouldn't have the trinity dogma now. . everything you believe is a result of those old men meeting to determine it. .

johnydon22:
Puahahahahahahahahahahahahaha someone named johnydon22 will post on nairaland before december.. here thats another prophecy

And you need faith to believe this crap above? ...lmao.. Johny have seen things oo

What have I done wrong? You asked and what you asked, I gave.

johnydon22:
Big bang means tiny particles??

Woooooow . . . Am dead!!! education is murdered

Can you define what big bang is please please!!!

What I mean is that, wasn't life on earth triggered by tiny particles?

The Enuma Elis is a distortion of the account of Genesis, since Genesis happened in reality, its historicity is not subject to Moses alone. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enûma_Eliš It cannot destroy historicity of the Bible due to being a myth, no, it establish it! (Bible is independently verifiable)

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him
not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their
imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an
image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their
own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped
and served the creature more than the Creator, who is
blessed for ever. Amen.

http://creation.mobi/myth-about-myths
@ Jonydon22
@ ifeness

Misogynist2014:
What I mean is that, wasn't life on earth triggered by tiny particles?

And U are still hanging unto ur misguided blunder..

What tiny particles?

under which scientific study was life asserted to have started with tiny particles?

what is the name of this tiny particles in the first place.?

Misogynist2014:
The Enuma Elis is a distortion of the account of Genesis, since Genesis happened in reality, its historicity is not subject to Moses alone. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enûma_Eliš It cannot destroy historicity of the Bible due to being a myth, no, it establish it! (Bible is independently verifiable)

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him
not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their
imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an
image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their
own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped
and served the creature more than the Creator, who is
blessed for ever. Amen.

http://creation.mobi/myth-about-myths
@ Jonydon22
@ ifeness

enuma elish is the babylonian account written in the late 12century BC. .it predates the genesis account by atleast a thousand years before the jewish account.

Babylonian civilization started even before the emergence of jewish civilization in the canaanite society.

the enuma elish was written in cuneiform clay tablets, one of the oldest wing material ever used.

The genesis account was written during the isreali exile into babylonia

Comparative mythology provides historical and cross-cultural perspectives
for Jewish mythology . Both sources behind the Genesis creation narrative
borrowed themes from Mesopotamian mythology, but adapted them to
their belief in one God , [5] establishing a monotheistic creation in
opposition to the polytheistic creation myth of ancient Israel's neighbors.
[16]
Genesis 1–11 as a whole is imbued with Mesopotamian myths. [17]
Genesis 1 bears both striking differences from and striking similarities to
Babylon's national creation myth, the Enuma Elish . On the side of
similarities, both begin from a stage of chaotic waters before anything is
created, in both a fixed dome-shaped "firmament" divides these waters
from the habitable Earth, and both conclude with the creation of a human
called "man" and the building of a temple for the god (in Genesis 1, this
temple is the entire cosmos). [18] On the side of contrasts, Genesis 1 is
uncompromisingly monotheistic , it makes no attempt to account for the
origins of God , and there is no trace of the resistance to the reduction of
chaos to order (Gk. theomachy , lit. "God-fighting", all of which mark the
Mesopotamian creation accounts. [5] It also bears similarities to the Baal
Cycle of Israel's neighbor, Ugarit . [citation needed ]
The Enuma Elish has also left traces on Genesis 2. Both begin with a
series of statements of what did not exist at the moment when creation
began; the Enuma Elish has a spring (in the sea) as the point where
creation begins, paralleling the spring (on the land – Genesis 2 is notable
for being a "dry" creation story) in Genesis 2:6 that "watered the whole
face of the ground"; in both myths, Yahweh/the gods first create a man to
serve him/them, then animals and vegetation. At the same time, and as
with Genesis 1, the Jewish version has drastically changed its Babylonian
model: Eve, for example, seems to fill the role of a mother goddess when, in
Genesis 4:1, she says that she has "created a man with Yahweh", but she
is not a divine being like her Babylonian counterpart. [19]
Genesis 2 has close parallels with a second Mesopotamian myth, the
Atra-Hasis epic – parallels that in fact extend throughout Genesis 2–11,
from the Creation to the Flood and its aftermath. The two share numerous
plot-details (e.g. the divine garden and the role of the first man in the
garden, the creation of the man from a mixture of earth and divine
substance, the chance of immortality, etc.), and have a similar overall
theme: the gradual clarification of man's relationship with God(s) and
animals. [13] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative


The Enûma Eliš has about a thousand lines and is recorded in Old
Babylonian on seven clay tablets , each holding between 115 and 170 lines
of Sumero-Akkadian cuneiform script . Most of Tablet V has never been
recovered but, aside from this lacuna , the text is almost complete. A
duplicate copy of Tablet V has been found in Sultantepe, ancient Huzirina,
near the modern town of Şanlıurfa in Turkey .


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_Elish

meanwhile i wonder the need for quoting out of context biblical verses in a different argument, u have to go learn how to argue...

@johnydon22 @Misogynist2014. Now that it is obvious that the Bible is not Original,will Misogynist2014 stop using the word "God"? Will he accept gracefully that he had been deceived all along? Will he accept the series of evidence put before him and thank/apologies to the two gentle who have enlightened him about the flaws and plagiarism surrounding the bible?

ifeness:
@johnydon22 @Misogynist2014. Now that it is obvious that the Bible is not Original,will Misogynist2014 stop using the word "God"? Will he accept gracefully that he had been deceived all along? Will he accept the series of evidence put before him and thank/apologies to the two gentle who have enlightened him about the flaws and plagiarism surrounding the bible?

We are talking ancient mythological antiquities, am not here to convert anybody or convince anyone.

I only argue based on the facts, i was once a christian so i understand how emotionally attached one can be to ones religion.

It still doesnt call for him to stop using the word "God" or turn atheistic, after all. All the creation accounts were purely disproven when the earth carbon dated to be 4billion years old, it never stopped people from being believers.

The worst part is that we are Africans, i keep on wondering why people choose to believe the jewish mythology as universal truth and disbelief their OWN very mythology.. Lol...

ifeness:
@johnydon22 @Misogynist2014. Now that it is obvious that the Bible is not Original,will Misogynist2014 stop using the word "God"? Will he accept gracefully that he had been deceived all along? Will he accept the series of evidence put before him and thank/apologies to the two gentle who have enlightened him about the flaws and plagiarism surrounding the bible?

I can't laugh! I am 100% sure that the Good Book is true.

johnydon22:
enuma elish is the babylonian account written in the late 12century BC. .it predates the genesis account by atleast a thousand years before the jewish account.

Babylonian civilization started even before the emergence of jewish civilization in the canaanite society.

the enuma elish was written in cuneiform clay tablets, one of the oldest wing material ever used.

The genesis account was written during the isreali exile into babylonia

Comparative mythology provides historical and cross-cultural perspectives
for Jewish mythology . Both sources behind the Genesis creation narrative
borrowed themes from Mesopotamian mythology, but adapted them to
their belief in one God , [5] establishing a monotheistic creation in
opposition to the polytheistic creation myth of ancient Israel's neighbors.
[16]
Genesis 1–11 as a whole is imbued with Mesopotamian myths. [17]
Genesis 1 bears both striking differences from and striking similarities to
Babylon's national creation myth, the Enuma Elish . On the side of
similarities, both begin from a stage of chaotic waters before anything is
created, in both a fixed dome-shaped "firmament" divides these waters
from the habitable Earth, and both conclude with the creation of a human
called "man" and the building of a temple for the god (in Genesis 1, this
temple is the entire cosmos). [18] On the side of contrasts, Genesis 1 is
uncompromisingly monotheistic , it makes no attempt to account for the
origins of God , and there is no trace of the resistance to the reduction of
chaos to order (Gk. theomachy , lit. "God-fighting", all of which mark the
Mesopotamian creation accounts. [5] It also bears similarities to the Baal
Cycle of Israel's neighbor, Ugarit . [citation needed ]
The Enuma Elish has also left traces on Genesis 2. Both begin with a
series of statements of what did not exist at the moment when creation
began; the Enuma Elish has a spring (in the sea) as the point where
creation begins, paralleling the spring (on the land – Genesis 2 is notable
for being a "dry" creation story) in Genesis 2:6 that "watered the whole
face of the ground"; in both myths, Yahweh/the gods first create a man to
serve him/them, then animals and vegetation. At the same time, and as
with Genesis 1, the Jewish version has drastically changed its Babylonian
model: Eve, for example, seems to fill the role of a mother goddess when, in
Genesis 4:1, she says that she has "created a man with Yahweh", but she
is not a divine being like her Babylonian counterpart. [19]
Genesis 2 has close parallels with a second Mesopotamian myth, the
Atra-Hasis epic – parallels that in fact extend throughout Genesis 2–11,
from the Creation to the Flood and its aftermath. The two share numerous
plot-details (e.g. the divine garden and the role of the first man in the
garden, the creation of the man from a mixture of earth and divine
substance, the chance of immortality, etc.), and have a similar overall
theme: the gradual clarification of man's relationship with God(s) and
animals. [13] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative


The Enûma Eliš has about a thousand lines and is recorded in Old
Babylonian on seven clay tablets , each holding between 115 and 170 lines
of Sumero-Akkadian cuneiform script . Most of Tablet V has never been
recovered but, aside from this lacuna , the text is almost complete. A
duplicate copy of Tablet V has been found in Sultantepe, ancient Huzirina,
near the modern town of Şanlıurfa in Turkey .


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_Elish

meanwhile i wonder the need for quoting out of context biblical verses in a different argument, u have to go learn how to argue...

Like I said, Gen is not subject to Moses alone.

Misogynist2014:
Like I said, Gen is not subject to Moses alone.

Genesis was not even written by Moses, moses is still not considered a historical figure.. . . in fact even the moses fable also has its own share of Sumerian influence. . the story of moses set adrift on a river was borrowed from the story of Sagon King of Akkad. .

Misogynist2014:
I can't laugh! I am 100% sure that the Good Book is true.

True in what aspect, borrowing the mesopotamian/babylonian myth?

or stipulating the earth was less than 10,000 years when carbon dating shows it to be up to 4billion?

Or creating day and night before the sun? How can a planet be created 4days independent of it's parent star whose gravity holds it?

How can day and night be created four days before the sun which causes day and night?

Or placing stars in the firmament (clouds) . . lmao if you think these true then i must say it will be a very huge disgrace to you as a 21st century homo sapien. . In the age of information, Ignorance is a choice.

johnydon22:
We are talking ancient mythological antiquities, am not here to convert anybody or convince anyone.

I only argue based on the facts, i was once a christian so i understand how emotionally attached one can be to ones religion.

It still doesnt call for him to stop using the word "God" or turn atheistic, after all. All the creation accounts were purely disproven when the earth carbon dated to be 4billion years old, it never stopped people from being believers.

The worst part is that we are Africans, i keep on wondering why people choose to believe the jewish mythology as universal truth and disbelief their OWN very mythology.. Lol...

The earth is surely older than 6000 years (on this I disagree with creationists)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

MOSES WAS REFERRING TO THE BEGINNING OF CREATION, WHEN GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
was upon the face of the deep.
THE EARTH WHEN IT WAS CREATED WAS DARK AND WITHOUT LIFE

And the Spirit of God
moved upon the face of the waters.

THIS WAS THE GAP BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THIS HAPPENED IMMEDIATELY AFTER CREATION OF UNIVERSE. ALSO IF THE LORD FORMED LIFE ON THIS WATER PLANET IN SIX DAYS, OTHERS SHOULD SPAN MORE.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

THIS WAS THE FIRST THING CREATED ON THE FOREORDAINED PLANET. GOD LOVES BASE THINGS, HE DIDN'T CHOOSE JUPITER

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet
out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth
have been from of old, from everlasting.

Also if God really created earth in 6 days and after that, called a geologist, can he date it 6 days.

johnydon22:
True in what aspect, borrowing the mesopotamian/babylonian myth?

or stipulating the earth was less than 10,000 years when carbon dating shows it to be up to 4billion?

Or creating day and night before the sun? How can a planet be created 4days independent of it's parent star whose gravity holds it?

How can day and night be created four days before the sun which causes day and night?

Or placing stars in the firmament (clouds) . . lmao if you think these true then i must say it will be a very huge disgrace to you as a 21st century homo sapien. . In the age of information, Ignorance is a choice.

Yeshua gazed at them and he said to them, “This is
impossible with the children of men, but everything is
possible with God.”

johnydon22:
Genesis was not even written by Moses, moses is still not considered a historical figure.. . . in fact even the moses fable also has its own share of Sumerian influence. . the story of moses set adrift on a river was borrowed from the story of Sagon King of Akkad. .

How is the plight of Moses different from what Oba of Lagos promised Igbo if they failed to vote APC? What if he still had autonomous power? The Bible is just too applicable.

Watch this video (haven't been able to) http://www.patternsofevidence.com/en/

Wow!

Apostle Paul warned Christian leaders and Christians generally against people like you (ifeness, misogynist & johnnydon) in

1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do

Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable vain

You can also read 1 Timothy 6:4 & 2 Timothy 2:23

Thank you.

Happy Sunday

Happy new month.

VLadipo:
1 Timothy 1:4
endless genealogies,

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