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PastorPLC:
And after, this foolish tribe that called themselves Yoruba will say Igbos should leave Lagos but here they are well received outside their land. Useless people.

NigerMan1:
Ilekeh - there is nothing like Yorubas are everywhere!

The major problem is that most of you calling yourself Yoruba today do not understand or lack knowledge about the ORIGIN of the term/word "Yoruba" and when?why it was used to group different ethnic people in the mid 19th Century.

Here is the true origin of those people:

At the time the Great Benin Kingdom was ruling a vast part of Southern Nigeria, down to Lagos, and part of present day Middle Belt, including present day part of Cameroon and Benin Republic, slave raiding were always carried out by the Benin Warriors.

Those Yorubas were a combination of the Benin slaves and others who later fled from the incessant slave raiding and hide in the Bush. With time, they settled in their present abode.

NOTE: When you see Yoruba speaking people anywhere, as indigene, the right question you should ask is: How did they got there? Most of you guys engage in chest-beating because you do not have wider knowledge of the olden days. In the olden days, there was NO Yoruba as you have it today.

literarymathy:
The Monarch of Ugbodu, HRM Ayo Isinyemeze II, the Oloza of Ugbodu
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Ilekeh:
Nothing new. Yorubas are everywhere.

Ask Ghanaians. There are two Yoruba sub groups in Ghana.

We're just quiet and peaceful wherever we are.

ControlX:
Unique cultures like the Olukumis develop through a mixture of several similar cultures and show to us that we have the capacity to unite with each other and make progress with one another. But the Tribal bigots just wont get this. Igbo's, Edo's, Yoruba's and many southern tribes share a lot of similarities which indicate that we have been interacting with one another before the tragedy of colonialism. Take a look at these linguistic examples;
Bag: Igbo-Akpati, Yoruba-Apoti,
Mouth: Igbo-Onu, Yoruba-Enu,
Ear: Igbo-Nti, Yoruba-Eti.
These are just a few of our many similarities which no one can really explain how they came about. So why don't we forget our differences and celebrate our similarities. Zik once told Sarduana ; Let us forget our differences. "No!" Sarduana retorted, "Let us understand our differences". 55 years has passed on and we are yet to understand those differences of ours. Zik was right! Let us forget our differences and build on our similarities. That is the way forward for Nigeria!

NigerMan1:
UnknownT - It is not too difficult to know.

Those people were 100% Yoruba people. In those days, the Benin Kings ruled over a vast part of Southern Nigeria, down to Lagos, PLUS part of present day Cameroon and Benin Republic. However the Benin Kings NEVER suppressed the people culturally, even the slaves of Igbo, Igala, Yoruba, Dahomies etc origins were allowed to be.

Therefore when freedom was enacted, and Benin power receded, the smaller groups gradually mixed with others and developed a new culture/languages from their origin and neighbors. Also the British colonialists used IGBO Language which also affected those people to gradually shelve their links to Old Benin Kingdom.

You talked about Opobo: Their language is NOT 100% Igbo as you speak in SE today. Even these Olukun mi people still speak Yoruba language as well.

shaboti:
you may be ibo, but you are not igbo

NigerMan1:
Ilekeh - there is nothing like Yorubas are everywhere!

The major problem is that most of you calling yourself Yoruba today do not understand or lack knowledge about the ORIGIN of the term/word "Yoruba" and when?why it was used to group different ethnic people in the mid 19th Century.

Here is the true origin of those people:

At the time the Great Benin Kingdom was ruling a vast part of Southern Nigeria, down to Lagos, and part of present day Middle Belt, including present day part of Cameroon and Benin Republic, slave raiding were always carried out by the Benin Warriors.

Those Yorubas were a combination of the Benin slaves and others who later fled from the incessant slave raiding and hide in the Bush. With time, they settled in their present abode.

NOTE: When you see Yoruba speaking people anywhere, as indigene, the right question you should ask is: How did they got there? Most of you guys engage in chest-beating because you do not have wider knowledge of the olden days. In the olden days, there was NO Yoruba as you have it today.

ControlX:
Unique cultures like the Olukumis develop through a mixture of several similar cultures and show to us that we have the capacity to unite with each other and make progress with one another. But the Tribal bigots just wont get this. Igbo's, Edo's, Yoruba's and many southern tribes share a lot of similarities which indicate that we have been interacting with one another before the tragedy of colonialism. Take a look at these linguistic examples;
Bag: Igbo-Akpati, Yoruba-Apoti,
Mouth: Igbo-Onu, Yoruba-Enu,
Ear: Igbo-Nti, Yoruba-Eti.
These are just a few of our many similarities which no one can really explain how they came about. So why don't we forget our differences and celebrate our similarities. Zik once told Sarduana ; Let us forget our differences. "No!" Sarduana retorted, "Let us understand our differences". 55 years has passed on and we are yet to understand those differences of ours. Zik was right! Let us forget our differences and build on our similarities. That is the way forward for Nigeria!

PastorPLC:
And after, this foolish tribe that called themselves Yoruba will say Igbos should leave Lagos but here they are well received outside their land. Useless people.

ControlX:
Unique cultures like the Olukumis develop through a mixture of several similar cultures and show to us that we have the capacity to unite with each other and make progress with one another. But the Tribal bigots just wont get this. Igbo's, Edo's, Yoruba's and many southern tribes share a lot of similarities which indicate that we have been interacting with one another before the tragedy of colonialism. Take a look at these linguistic examples;
Bag: Igbo-Akpati, Yoruba-Apoti,
Mouth: Igbo-Onu, Yoruba-Enu,
Ear: Igbo-Nti, Yoruba-Eti.
These are just a few of our many similarities which no one can really explain how they came about. So why don't we forget our differences and celebrate our similarities. Zik once told Sarduana ; Let us forget our differences. "No!" Sarduana retorted, "Let us understand our differences". 55 years has passed on and we are yet to understand those differences of ours. Zik was right! Let us forget our differences and build on our similarities. That is the way forward for Nigeria!

chuna1985:
Nope, Yoruba's are not everywhere. They are @ home in SW

NigerMan1:
Ilekeh - there is nothing like Yorubas are everywhere!

The major problem is that most of you calling yourself Yoruba today do not understand or lack knowledge about the ORIGIN of the term/word "Yoruba" and when?why it was used to group different ethnic people in the mid 19th Century.

Here is the true origin of those people:

At the time the Great Benin Kingdom was ruling a vast part of Southern Nigeria, down to Lagos, and part of present day Middle Belt, including present day part of Cameroon and Benin Republic, slave raiding were always carried out by the Benin Warriors.

Those Yorubas were a combination of the Benin slaves and others who later fled from the incessant slave raiding and hide in the Bush. With time, they settled in their present abode.

NOTE: When you see Yoruba speaking people anywhere, as indigene, the right question you should ask is: How did they got there? Most of you guys engage in chest-beating because you do not have wider knowledge of the olden days. In the olden days, there was NO Yoruba as you have it today.

ControlX:
Take a look at these linguistic examples;
Bag: Igbo-Akpati, Yoruba-Apoti,
Mouth: Igbo-Onu, Yoruba-Enu,
Ear: Igbo-Nti, Yoruba-Eti.

NigerMan1:
I wanted to ignore you but I noticed people are liking and sharing this piece of scrap

What part of Cameroon and Benin republic was under Bini? What towns?
You confuse Bight of Benin for Benin republic. The bight is merely a coast area Benin traders and warrior protectors camped Mr man. No people to conquer there
then Cameron? Such a suprise, when did Bini overpower Efik and their kin to march into modern Cameroon?

Yoruba Bini salves? ? Which family compounds in Bini city have a history of being yoruba slaves? For example, there are many compounds in my town..even on my street we know as slave compounds and they all trace their origins. .mostly Egbira
surely if yoruba slaves ever existed in Benin city their descendants should still remain
Dahomey don't claim yoruba slaves it's Benin that wants to claim yoruba slaves cheesy grin
Fon Dahomey and Nupe people are the only ones known to capture Yoruba people not Bini nt even in the slightest manner have a yoruba been known to serve a Benin household or man handled and sold by one

The Olukumi by their version of history got to their present land when Benin were still in the Ogiso Era. ..meaning before Benin became an empire. So pls look for another lie

When the name "yoruba" came to use is of no relevance here. Try getting ur Edo people together and quit your yoruba hatred


macof - You often try to do better than your kinsmen who only bring abuse and insult to intellectual discourse.

Now I believe we are discussing HISTORY? I realize is only here in Nigeria that history based discourse is often replete with arrogance and chest beating. Often mired in lies and wanton coloration of truth. And this happens when Yoruba history is put on the front burner? Why? Because you guys have been injected with the mantra "don't challenge the source of our history"

Look History is not the same DOGMA. Here are the qualities and features of true history: (a) Must be often refreshed, (b) Always exhume the past, (c) Always challenged, (d)[/b]Must be RE-WRITTEN, [b](e) Continuous researching, (f) Must be REVISED.

However when any of these feature is missing or hated, then it is NOT history - but DOGMA.

So you Yorubas need to shake off your attitude of 'fighting off' academic and scholarly inputs that seem to put lie or expose holes in Yoruba story. Or run contrary to what was written few decades ago, or you're told.

Now let me reply your points one after the other...

You wrote: "What part of Cameroon and Benin republic was under Bini? What towns?
You confuse Bight of Benin for Benin republic. The bight is merely a coast area Benin traders and warrior protectors camped Mr man. No people to conquer there then Cameron? Such a suprise, when did Bini overpower Efik and their kin to march into modern Cameroon?

In the olden days, ruler-ship was not only by physical conquest or war as you Yorubas erroneously believe. Rulership encompasses war and conquest, control of trade route, slave trade selling, border dominance, interfacing with Europeans on behalf of others etc

There was a time during the Benin power, especially during the reign of Oba Esigie in the 14th Century. His power dominate and permeates most parts of present day Southern Nigeria - which extended to Lagos and Southern Cameroon. While that of Lagos was physical dominance, in which traditional king - Oba of Lagos - was established by Benin Oba and named the city EKO. Both still exist till day as a testement to the wide area old Benin Kingdom covered. The southern Cameroon was not physical.

You wrote: "You confuse Bight of Benin for Benin republic. The bight is merely a coast area Benin traders and warrior protectors camped Mr man. No people to conquer there then Cameron? Such a suprise, when did Bini overpower Efik and their kin to march into modern Cameroon?

No bro. I know my onions very well. I don't dabble in "I am superior than you kind of history" you Yorubas love to do. And why are you trying to downplay the IMPORTANCE of the "Bight of Benin" in history? Am sure if the Portuguese named the oceans that extend from Nigeria to the Gulf of Guinea the "Bight of Oyo" you Yorubas would have written volumes upon volumes to eulogize the 'greatness' of your forefathers.

First when the Portuguese first landed, the only DOMINANCE authority with the wildest control was the Oba of the Benin Empire. They then agreed an alliance with Benin Kingdom. That was the reason they named the Ocean "Bight of Benin".

The Portuguese then started business with Benin empire and Benin even sent an Ambassador to Portuguese. It was TWO NATIONS dealing with each other. During this period scholarships were given to Benin princes, who went to Universities in Europe with their slaves, which comprises Yoruba, Igbos, Igalas, Efiks, Ijaws etc. During this period, the trade and influence expansion into present day Benin republic began - with the collaboration of the Portuguese.

You wrote: "Yoruba Bini salves? ? Which family compounds in Bini city have a history of being yoruba slaves? For example, there are many compounds in my town..even on my street we know as slave compounds and they all trace their origins.

Bro again you're talking about History in a small prism you've been taught in Yorubaland. Things happened differently. And why should you be aghast over the word "Yoruba slaves?" Remember a greater of what is known as Yorubaland today where not there some hundreds of years ago? It was same in the 950 AD to 15th Century.

The old Benin did not DOMICILED their slaves ports in Benin City as you expected. So asking for slave compound is irrelevant my friend.The old Benin Kings ruled many towns and cities via designated warriors. The slaves therefore were not taken to Benin to dwell, rather they're ruled in their cities or new new cities, from the Oba Palace. And this system was applied over Lagos as well, in which a Benin Prince was made the Oba of Lagos and few Benin chiefs such as Obanikoro were appointed alongside some aboriginals as CHIEFS.

You wrote: "... surely if yoruba slaves ever existed in Benin city their descendants should still remain"

I hope I answer you above? Many were sold to Portuguese, many were sent abroad to earn degrees and returned. Bro we are talking of many many Centuries ago, so that the few that were serving the Benin Princes must have long became Benin/Edo.

You wrote: "Dahomey don't claim yoruba slaves it's Benin that wants to claim yoruba slaves cheesy grin"

History is not 'claiming' things. History is not a bragging rights. History is not about "out fathers were stronger than your fathers". Like I said above, the problem is that you Yorubas created your own history upon this foundation. You refused to allow history be told, freely discussed, continuously examined and always contested so that more FACTS will emerge consistently.

No macof - we Edos don't speak history to lay claim to being "superior". Even the Igbos has never contested the facts that Benin Kings used to have Igbos as slaves. Even the Onitsha people openly admitted they were Benin migrants. The late ZIK of Africa; Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe wrote about this in one of his books.

Unfortunately, you Yorubas allowed politicians to wound you together and named you all "Yoruba" for their selfish and greedy aggrandizement and control. Why do you refused to ask, individually:

"Where Did My Father Came From?"

If you do this, macof, many of you in Yorubaland will realize you probably originated from Igala, Dahomey, Nupe, Togo, Cameroon, part of today North Central. Even in the olden days, Hausa and Fulanis traders married and impregnated many Yoruba women in the present day Osun and Oyo states...

Today, the descendant of those children are now claiming Yoruba. Yes this is right - but is BETTER to investigate and examine your forefathers. Do this, at least, into the 7th to 10th generations before you.

Also remember that when Benin was ruling and established the Monarchy of Lagos, slaves were captured along the coast which comprises Yoruba, Igbos, Igalas, down to Lagos. So why are you fighting this historical fact? Again, there was an Igbo scholar who alluded to the fact that Old Benin Kings had Yoruba and Igbo slaves. Read it here on paragraph 8-9: http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/detail.php?news=2547

You wrote: "Fon Dahomey and Nupe people are the only ones known to capture Yoruba people not Bini nt even in the slightest manner have a yoruba been known to serve a Benin household or man handled and sold by one

macof - please relax. This is history. You don't know all about history in one day. Everyday you realize what WAS. So you imagine Kings that ruled a vast area down to Lagos, with influence that extends to Benin republic did not captured Yoruba as slaves?

You wrote: "The Olukumi by their version of history got to their present land when Benin were still in the Ogiso Era. ..meaning before Benin became an empire. So pls look for another lie

No macof - remember am not Yoruba. You guys regard history as fisticuffs and "who can tell more lies". I know the history of Olukumi people very well, and their being there was DOCUMENTED. It was not during the Ogiso period. And let me tell you this: Ogiso dynasty was the same as the Oba dynasty: The only difference was that the Oba dynasty was more powerful and extended far and near.

So when you know the full history of the Olumuni you'll realize this fact. They're part of the Benin slaves!

You wrote: "When the name "yoruba" came to use is of no relevance here"

Why do you said so? So the history of how people from different tribes and nationality were later grouped as "Yoruba" should not be told?

You wrote: "Try getting ur Edo people together and quit your yoruba hatred"

And what EXACTLY do you mean by this statement? God forbid I hate people. Let me tell you a vital truth about human existence: "MUTUAL RESPECTS" is what guaranteed love and progress, even siblings. Not being coerced into a single culture as you have it in Yorubaland.

absoluteSuccess:
If you can discriminate a fellow Igboman for demanding mutual respect from another, who is free from your sentimental hate?

absoluteSuccess:
One thing I know for sure is, as long as you are not Yoruba, you will struggle to rewrite the Yoruba history to fit it in to your monomaniac projections, pulling down Yoruba history to prove that you are something. Who are you?

If Yoruba grandstanding affects you, then you have found an everlasting sorrow, cause greatness will never depart from Yoruba, and day in day out you will keep hearing that name and get your reins sore with bad feelings.

I don't hate any tribe, so I can be happy at their success. Just keep looking for the ultimate vilification of the Yoruba race, when you finds it, the world will celebrate you and do away with the Yoruba.

You see, you have a calling.

SmartChoices:
Truth is the Igbo is a derivative of Yoruba ....the igboland is part of the Oyo empire!

illiad1:
I have also read some of those books which I mistakenly lost. There was a day we held an argument about first settlers in lagos. I was telling them that I had actually read somewhere in a book by some whitemen telling that lagos was actually first occupied and ruled by benin kingdom. I even went further to ask them what Eko means in yoruba language and none of them could answer because its a benin language. And I told them that there are many lagos names that are not yoruba and have no meaning in yoruba language. Its just so unfortunate they easily result to insults whenever they lack facts to support their lies.

bigfrancis21:
Thank you.

shaboti:
hah! Nothn pesin will not see.

ControlX:
These are just a few of our many similarities which no one can really explain how they came about. So why don't we forget our differences and celebrate our similarities. Zik once told Sarduana ; Let us forget our differences. "No!" Sarduana retorted, "Let us understand our differences". 55 years has passed on and we are yet to understand those differences of ours. Zik was right! Let us forget our differences and build on our similarities. That is the way forward for Nigeria!

UnknownT:
I still wonder how the Igbos do it, as in they come near you and you lose your original language and start speaking Igbo. Some may say the Olukun mi people were nearer to the Igbos that was why, but what of the Igbo that is being spoken in far away bonny/opobo and some of the people that always claim Benin origin but now use 99% Igbo names and language. And when they achieve this, we don't hear people saying that they were forced to speak/learn Igbo like they are colonial masters

ControlX:
Unique cultures like the Olukumis develop through a mixture of several similar cultures and show to us that we have the capacity to unite with each other and make progress with one another. But the Tribal bigots just wont get this. Igbo's, Edo's, Yoruba's and many southern tribes share a lot of similarities which indicate that we have been interacting with one another before the tragedy of colonialism. Take a look at these linguistic examples;
Bag: Igbo-Akpati, Yoruba-Apoti,
Mouth: Igbo-Onu, Yoruba-Enu,
Ear: Igbo-Nti, Yoruba-Eti.
These are just a few of our many similarities which no one can really explain how they came about. So why don't we forget our differences and celebrate our similarities.[s] Zik once told Sarduana ; Let us forget our differences. "No!" Sarduana retorted, "Let us understand our differences[/s] ". 55 years has passed on and we are yet to understand those differences of ours. Zik was right! Let us forget our differences and build on our similarities. That is the way forward for Nigeria!

UnknownT:
I still wonder how the Igbos do it, as in they come near you and you lose your original language and start speaking Igbo. Some may say the Olukun mi people were nearer to the Igbos that was why, but what of the Igbo that is being spoken in far away bonny/opobo and some of the people that always claim Benin origin but now use 99% Igbo names and language. And when they achieve this, we don't hear people saying that they were forced to speak/learn Igbo like they are colonial masters

ransomed:
::--Do not mind him. He forgot to ask his grandfather his origin and he is now claiming scholarship. His post showed that his fore father was a yoruba son that ran away from Ile- ife to the present day ile -ibinu (land of anger) bini. He wants to distort history without knowing that some of us KNOW and can SPEAK Oluku mi( my friend) , Itshekiri both in Delta state, Owo and Supare in Ondo state. We know our relations in Usen (Edo state), Oluku mi and Itshekiri in Delta and Owo & Supare -Akoko in Ondo. state. Thanks.