[Yusufali 4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Here allahh permits muslims to marry up to 4 wives if they can do equal justice to them.

But he seems to have changed his mind on that in the following verse:

[Quran 4:129 Pickthal] Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so). But turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

Here, allahh sounds so sure that muslims will not be able to do justice to more than one wife, no matter how much they wish to do so. It shows it is impossible for muslims to satisfy his condition for marrying up to four wives.

Another translation says it is not within the POWER of the muslims to do justice to more than one wife:

Quran 4:129 Shakr] And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it), but be not disinclined (from one) with total disinclination, so that you leave her as it were in suspense; and if you effect a reconciliation and guard (against evil), then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The questions arising from this are:

1. Has allahh abrogated polygamy?

2. Since he was so sure muslims would not be able to do justice to more than one wife, why did he enjoin polygamy in the first place?

Am i allowed to comment here?

mkpakanaodogwu:
Am i allowed to comment here?

Why not?

truthman2012:

Why not?

thank u

What it means is that try as much as possible to be just in dealing with them, then the main aim of the other verses is to avoid fornication and adultery by marrying women that could possibly be exposed to those situations I. E widows, slaves, and other less privileged women

rildwanullahi:
What it means is that try as much as possible to be just in dealing with them, then the main aim of the other verses is to avoid fornication and adultery by marrying women that could possibly be exposed to those situations I. E widows, slaves, and other less privileged women

Trash!

How does that answer the questions?

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No he allowed it but with justice thats mean you need to equal between wifes
But Allah knew that Human what ever they try they will not be 100% Justice
And Justice in spending money eqaully or in thing that man make thats out of question mean he must do those thing

But man cann't control his heart and feeling and be justice to each wife on that

So thats what Justice been talked in Sura So thats not mean AllaH forbid the polygam

Justice in feeling cann't be done But Justice in other thing Like acts spending money etc must be done

truthman2012:
The questions arising from this are:

1. Has allahh abrogated polygamy?

2. Since he was so sure muslims would not be able to do justice to more than one wife, why did he enjoin polygamy in the first place?

The logical response is that both allahh and mohammed are confused, that is if allahh is not the same person as mohammed. Going by quranic authorship, both mohammed and allahh are the same person.

On the subject matter, how can you encourage people to marry two, three or four wives, and at the same time asking them to marry only one if they cannot treat them equally. That is a confusing advice.

Mohammed himself was equally guilty here. Among all his wives, aisha is the one he loved most.

Mohammed (aka allahh) is a confusionist.

LightIndarkness:
No he allowed it but with justice thats mean you need to equal between wifes
But Allah knew that Human what ever they try they will not be 100% Justice
And Justice in spending money eqaully or in thing that man make thats out of question mean he must do those thing

But man cann't control his heart and feeling and be justice to each wife on that

So thats what Justice been talked in Sura So thats not mean AllaH forbid the polygam

Justice in feeling cann't be done But Justice in other thing Like acts spending money etc must be done

The point is not whether or not justice is done among muslims' wives . The questions are and I repeat:

1. Did allahh ABROGATE polygamy since he says muslims cannot do justice to more than one wife no matter how much they wish to do so?

2. Since he was so sure that they could not do justice in polygamy, why did he enjoin it before? Did he learn from people's experiences?

Please read and understand the thread before responding. So far, no muslims have touched the questions.

I have discovered the regular islamic appologetics on this forum who understand the implications of the question could not respond.

That is not the only occassion allahh would contradict himself, which is not the character of the true God. Would God say something and eat his words?

https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe

truthman2012:


The point is not whether or not justice is done among muslims' wives . The questions are and I repeat:

1. Did allahh ABROGATE polygamy since he says muslims cannot do justice to more than one wife no matter how much they wish to do so?

2. Since he was so sure that they could not do justice in polygamy, why did he enjoin it before? Did he learn from people's experiences?

Please read and understand the thread before responding. So far, no muslims have touched the questions.

You are the one who don't under stand
What is justice means in Surah and thats why I explain to you

So Almighty didn't ABROGATE polygamy at any time
You just misunderstand the Ayah both of them

So Allah Almighty DIDN'T ABROGATE POLYGAMY
And Justice been explained to you what in means so
You don't understand the Ayah and explained to you what the justice means

If you don't like the answer thats your own problem

LightIndarkness:



You are the one who don't under stand
What is justice means in Surah and thats why I explain to you

So Almighty didn't ABROGATE polygamy at any time
You just misunderstand the Ayah both of them

So Allah Almighty DIDN'T ABROGATE POLYGAMY
And Justice been explained to you what in means so
You don't understand the Ayah and explained to you what the justice means

If you don't like the answer thats your own problem

Well, I don't blame you, your level of your education must be very low hence your reasoning as expressed in your 'quack' English.

NEXT!

truthman2012:


The point is not whether or not justice is done among muslims' wives . The questions are and I repeat:

1. Did allahh ABROGATE polygamy since he says muslims cannot do justice to more than one wife no matter how much they wish to do so?

2. Since he was so sure that they could not do justice in polygamy, why did he enjoin it before? Did he learn from people's experiences?

Please read and understand the thread before responding. So far, no muslims have touched the questions.

Answering again:

1-Allah the almighty Didn't ABROGATE POLYGAMY since Muslims Cann't do justice to more than one wife no matter how much they wish to do


2. Since he was so sure that they could not do justice in polygamy, why did he enjoin it before?

Is there After to say BEFORE Allah almighty Allow it forever But its an option so if you cann't do justice of Acts between wives then you should marry only one


Did he learn from people's experiences?

Nope Allah almighty make it just clear and Justice that been mentioned is Justice in the Feeling not the Justice of the Acts


So there is 2 Justice one is Justice of Acts which it Must be done between wives and this not imposible

Justice of feeling thats one that human cannot do Even if the try hard

truthman2012:


Well, I don't blame you, your level of your education must be very low hence your reasoning as expressed in your 'quack' English.

NEXT!

Even so you understand then my english done fine and I Don't express I answered but seems you have High level education then you can answer this

Who told you that Allah forbid polygamy in Islam?

Is It you or the Mighty Unicorn Or the Cursed one?
Hope your High Education help you on that

truthman2012:


Well, I don't blame you, your level of your education must be very low hence your reasoning as expressed in your 'quack' English.

NEXT!

Even so you understand then my english done fine and I Don't express I answered but seems you have High level education then you can answer this

Who told you that Allah forbid polygamy in Islam?

Is It you or the Mighty Unicorn Or the Cursed one?
Hope your High Education help you on that

I Don't understand the Logic between High Education and English

Jappanese don't need English to be High educated !!!

So You are not Smart Even with High education because you connect english to high education

And Faith is not connect with High or Law Education!!!

Even assuming things with about broof is Not logic at all !!!

truthman2012:
[Yusufali 4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Here allahh permits muslims to marry up to 4 wives if they can do equal justice to them.

But he seems to have changed his mind on that in the following verse:

[Quran 4:129 Pickthal] Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so). But turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

Here, allahh sounds so sure that muslims will not be able to do justice to more than one wife, no matter how much they wish to do so. It shows it is impossible for muslims to satisfy his condition for marrying up to four wives.

Another translation says it is not within the POWER of the muslims to do justice to more than one wife:

Quran 4:129 Shakr] And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it), but be not disinclined (from one) with total disinclination, so that you leave her as it were in suspense; and if you effect a reconciliation and guard (against evil), then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The questions arising from this are:

1. Has allahh abrogated polygamy?

2. Since he was so sure muslims would not be able to do justice to more than one wife, why did he enjoin polygamy in the first place?

This guy is getting ridiculous everyday. I dont know why you refused to understand simple, clear and precise verses. Bro, you really need to slow down your bigotry. It blocks your sense of reasoning. This is not healthy at all.

Your op, allegation is false. Polygamy is NOT ABROGATED. 4:3 simply allowed marrying more than 1 wife (conditions attached) i:e justice must be done among them; financially, socially you name it.

4:129
And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging. And if you amend [your affairs] and fear Allah - then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

If you have more than one child, I am sure, one way or the other (deep down your heart), even though you dont show it, you love one child more than other, correct?. A husband can always be just with his wives financially, socially and morally etc But there is no way a man can love all of them (including feelings) the same way. To abandon her completely for other wife is what Qur'an forbids. Qur'an understands human imperfection, irregularity, flaw, blemish to be human attributes. Some men can't even be just financially, socially and morally. The verse is simply saying that to err is human but perfection belongs ONLY to God Almighty. No human is 100% except Allah.

One of Allah's Attributes is As-Salaam The Peace and Blessing, The Source of Peace and Safety, The Most Perfect 59:23 http://quran.com/59/23

Empiree:
This guy is getting ridiculous everyday. I dont know why you refuse to understand simple, clear and precise verses. Bro, you really need to slow down your bigotry. It blocks your sense of reasoning. This is not healthy at all.

Your op, allegation is false. Polygamy is NOT ABROGATED. 4:3 simply allowed marrying more than 1 wife (conditions attached) i:e justice must be done among them; financially, socially you name it.

4:129
And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging. And if you amend [your affairs] and fear Allah - then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

If you have more than one child, I am sure, one way or the other (deep down your heart), even though you dont show it, you love one child more than other, correct?. A husband can always be just with his wives financially, socially and morally etc But there is no way a man can love all of them (including feelings) the same way. To abandon her completely for other wife is what Qur'an forbids. Qur'an understands human imperfection, irregularity, flaw, blemish to be human attributes. Some men can't even be just financially, socially and morally. The verse is simply saying that to err is human but perfection belongs ONLY to God Almighty. No human is 100% except Allah.

Brother are you from Nigeria

Empiree:
This guy is getting ridiculous everyday. I dont know why you refuse to understand simple, clear and precise verses. Bro, you really need to slow down your bigotry. It blocks your sense of reasoning. This is not healthy at all.

Your op, allegation is false. Polygamy is NOT ABROGATED. 4:3 simply allowed marrying more than 1 wife (conditions attached) i:e justice must be done among them; financially, socially you name it.

4:129
And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging. And if you amend [your affairs] and fear Allah - then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

If you have more than one child, I am sure, one way or the other (deep down your heart), even though you dont show it, you love one child more than other, correct?. A husband can always be just with his wives financially, socially and morally etc But there is no way a man can love all of them (including feelings) the same way. To abandon her completely for other wife is what Qur'an forbids. Qur'an understands human imperfection, irregularity, flaw, blemish to be human attributes. Some men can't even be just financially, socially and morally. The verse is simply saying that to err is human but perfection belongs ONLY to God Almighty. No human is 100% except Allah.

One of Allah's Attributes is As-Salaam The Peace and Blessing, The Source of Peace and Safety, The Most Perfect 59:23 http://quran.com/59/23

You people are opening more of my eyes on this qoran oh oh , in the verse the op quotes there is no feeling there bur you just inserted feeling to give it meaning that suit yourself oh I see that's why mohammad was confused. Leave the quran the way it was written let's see more of illiterate and imperfect allah. It seems muslims scholar are trying to correct allah and mohammad stupidity.

Empiree:
This guy is getting ridiculous everyday. I dont know why you refuse to understand simple, clear and precise verses. Bro, you really need to slow down your bigotry. It blocks your sense of reasoning. This is not healthy at all.

Your op, allegation is false. Polygamy is NOT ABROGATED. 4:3 simply allowed marrying more than 1 wife (conditions attached) i:e justice must be done among them; financially, socially you name it.

4:129
And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging. And if you amend [your affairs] and fear Allah - then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

If you have more than one child, I am sure, one way or the other (deep down your heart), even though you dont show it, you love one child more than other, correct?. A husband can always be just with his wives financially, socially and morally etc But there is no way a man can love all of them (including feelings) the same way. To abandon her completely for other wife is what Qur'an forbids. Qur'an understands human imperfection, irregularity, flaw, blemish to be human attributes. Some men can't even be just financially, socially and morally. The verse is simply saying that to err is human but perfection belongs ONLY to God Almighty. No human is 100% except Allah.

One of Allah's Attributes is As-Salaam The Peace and Blessing, The Source of Peace and Safety, The Most Perfect 59:23 http://quran.com/59/23

My friend, you must have disappointed people who rate you high. Your statements show that of low reasoning people.

One major problem with muslims is that allahh left them in confusion, making each of the so many sects to interpret his words as they feel. This I have noticed in the differences in translations of the quran from the same arabic text. ISIL, Boko Haram, al-Quaeda, al-Shabab etc use the same quran to carry out their criminal acts. Muhammad did the same.

The Sunnis and Shite muslims also use the same quran and are killing each other. Confusion in the kingdom of satan. I'm very sure, allahh will be laughing at you people.

Coming to the subject, allahh says you can marry up to 4 wives subject to a condition - ability to do justice to the women equally (Quran 4:3) He later says it is imposible for you to fulfil the condition and therefore should marry only one (Quran 4:129).

If somebody's brain is still in order, it is easy for him to know that allahh has plainly abrogated polygamy.

Then, this allahh is not higher than man in wisdom, otherwise he should have known from the onset that it is impossible for muslims to fulfil the condition and not enjoin polygamy at all instead of learning from people's marital experience.

truthman2012:
I have discovered the regular islamic appologetics on this forum who understand the implications of the question could not respond.
That is not the only occassion allahh would contradict himself, which is not the character of the true God. Would God say something and eat his words?
https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe

Your posts are just too silly. I for one, don't really like responding to them. Your lack of knowledge is palpable; and the problem is... you do not know that you do not know.

As lightindarkness has already pointed out, justice refers to equal treatment in possessions, not having equal feelings for; which is what the second verse refers to.

There is nothing again to tell you. If you like, accept, if you like, continue your dumb argument.

truthman2012:


My friend, you must have disappointed people who rate you high. Your statements show that of low reasoning people.

One major problem with muslims is that allahh left them in confusion, making each of the so many sects to interpret his words as they feel. This I have noticed in the differences in translations of the quran from the same arabic text. ISIL, Boko Haram, al-Quaeda, al-Shabab etc use the same quran to carry out their criminal acts. Muhammad did the same.

The Sunnis and Shite muslims also use the same quran and are killing each other. Confusion in the kingdom of satan. I'm very sure, allahh will be laughing at you people.

Coming to the subject, allahh says you can marry up to 4 wives subject to a condition - ability to do justice to the women equally (Quran 4:3) He later says it is imposible for you to fulfil the condition and therefore should marry only one (Quran 4:129).

If somebody's brain is still in order, it is easy for him to know that allahh has plainly abrogated polygamy.

Then, this allahh is not higher than man in wisdom, otherwise he should have known from the onset that it is impossible for muslims to fulfil the condition and not enjoin polygamy at all instead of learning from people's marital experience.

Lmao! This is another sign of desperation, anytime he's refuted he results to abuses! Smh for u!

Next!!

Abuamam:


Your posts are just too silly. I for one, don't really like responding to them. Your lack of knowledge is palpable; and the problem is... you do not know that you do not know.

As lightindarkness has already pointed out, justice refers to equal treatment in possessions, not having equal feelings for; which is what the second verse refers to.

There is nothing again to tell you. If you like, accept, if you like, continue your dumb argument.

And to you and your likes, the questions have been answered, Smh!

Allah eventually says muslims cannot do justice no matter how much they wish to do so whereas he had earlier said ''IF'' they could do justice. It shows he didn't know all things.

LightIndarkness:

yes

May Almighty Allah forgive us. Allahu halam.

@ empiree, this is for you coz you quoted the verse below. However I removed all the words you put in bracket in roder to leave the text in its original context:

4:129 And you will NEVER be able to be equal between wives, even if you should strive. So do not incline completely and leave another
hanging. And if you amend and fear allahh - then indeed, allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

The verse above said you will NEVER be equal among wives. That is, you can never treat them equally. So if that is the case, why did mohammed go ahead violating his own rule, by marrying more than one (surely more than 4 at a time) and asked muslims to limit theirs to 4 (if they can treat them equally even when he had raised a coveat that they can never treat them equally).

So don't you think mohammed understood this impossibility (ability to satisfy all one wives equally) but still went ahead to ask muslims to be polygamous? Is this not deceit on his part because of his love for women?

truthman2012:
[Yusufali 4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Here allahh permits muslims to marry up to 4 wives if they can do equal justice to them.

But he seems to have changed his mind on that in the following verse:

[Quran 4:129 Pickthal] Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so). But turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

Here, allahh sounds so sure that muslims will not be able to do justice to more than one wife, no matter how much they wish to do so. It shows it is impossible for muslims to satisfy his condition for marrying up to four wives.

Another translation says it is not within the POWER of the muslims to do justice to more than one wife:

Quran 4:129 Shakr] And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it), but be not disinclined (from one) with total disinclination, so that you leave her as it were in suspense; and if you effect a reconciliation and guard (against evil), then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The questions arising from this are:

1. Has allahh abrogated polygamy?

2. Since he was so sure muslims would not be able to do justice to more than one wife, why did he enjoin polygamy in the first place?

Have you asked yourself why he enjoined polygamy in your bible?

Why are there too many obsessed people. Trying hard to make sense when they are not making sense. When proven wrong they start their insults. nothing you can do to turn us away InshaALLah .whatever you do saying blasphemous things will never benefit you in this world or hereafter by that time it will be too late. May Allah have mercy on you.

It is an irony that 98% of muslims will never givr out their 9-yr old daughter to a 54-yr old man, but will come to nairaland to defend mohammed's marriage to his 6-yr old financee Aisha (when he was 51) and later consumated the marriage when Aisha was 9 while he was 54.

One fact muslims failed to grasp is that mohammed is an evil man and a sexx addict. Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, used Aisha to negotiate his way to power. He was the muslim leader after mohammed, owing to the evil relationship between mohammed and Aisha his daughter. Had Abu Bakr objected to the marriage of mohammed to Aisha, he would never have been the first khalifa after the death of mohammed.

The painful irony is that it is the same Abu Bakr army that killed the grandsons of mohammed, hassan and hussain, in the first islamic GAME OF THRONE, at the battle of karballa.

Abu Bakr did not love mohammed, he only used his own daugher, Aisha, to negotiate his was to power and afterwards finished off mohammed's grandchildren who might be future threat to his leadership of the then muslim world.

If muslims cannot read between the lines, using their own bloody islamic history immediatley after the death of mohammed, to see that Abu Bakr used Aisha to deceive mohammed (knowing fully well that mohammed is naturally weak when it comes to women) in order to take over the mantle of leadership after his death, then I rest my case.

Afterall, Abu Bakr was not insane when he gave his 6yr old daugher to mohammed: he finally got what he wanted, that is POWER and killed his master's grand kids.