To a great extent, considering what Christianity stands for as a religion and as a relationship with God, the old testament should not have been merged with the new.
The old testament is a different God and a different religion, for instance:
God in the old testament led the Israelites through a 40 year journey only to go invade another man's land called Cannan.
They wiped them off and establish their home there. They also destroyed other cities along the way, eg. Jericho.
This is neither the peace, love, respect nor forgiveness that Christianity preaches. It is barbaric. God reportedly ordered Saul through Samuel to massacre the Amalekites. The And punish him for failing to do so.
It's not in anyway different from what boko haram is doing now - forcefully kill people and claim territory in the name of God.
The Two books don't just belong together.
Those guys even killed Jesus because what he was preaching was fundamentally different.
Who ever merged those two books got it wrong.

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You made a valid point. Not only did they merge and add what suited them, they removed and obliterated Books and concepts that weren't suitable for them. Like the Book of Eunch and the concept of Reincarnation.

iamjane:
You made a valid point. Not only did they merge and add what suited them, they removed and obliterated Books and concepts that weren't suitable for them. Like the Book of Eunch and the concept of Reincarnation.

They removed the Gospel according to Bananas because he started by attacking Peter, telling people that peter was twisting the teachings of Jesus.
So while compiling the bible, the removed barnabas' Gospel.

iamjane:
You made a valid point. Not only did they merge and add what suited them, they removed and obliterated Books and concepts that weren't suitable for them. Like the Book of Eunch and the concept of Reincarnation.

is that so?

i have always maintained that the god in the old testament is different from the god potrayed in the new testament..i think th eonly reason they did was to sell jesus to the world..come to think of it, how will any one believe that jesus was the promised messiah and not mithras...i guess also the jews where the most difficult to contain in the roman empire, so in other to pacify them they created everything..the pacifisistic messiah..cos the messiah the jews were waithing for was a warriour that will free them from the rule of the romans...

sonmvayina:
i have always maintained that the god in the old testament is different from the god potrayed in the new testament..i think th eonly reason they did was to sell jesus to the world..come to think of it, how will any one believe that jesus was the promised messiah and not mithras...i guess also the jews where the most difficult to contain in the roman empire, so in other to pacify them they created everything..the pacifisistic messiah..cos the messiah the jews were waithing for was a warriour that will free them from the rule of the romans...

yeah

@moderatorr1

Who are the THEY that were wrong?

esere826:
@moderatorr1

Who are the THEY that were wrong?

the romans and the greeks, who where the first to come in contact with the manuscripts....

sonmvayina:


the romans and the greeks, who where the first to come in contact with the manuscripts....

umhh
so the romans and the greeks of old surreptitiously merged the old and new manuscripts
and we the new creation are incapable of un-merging them?

moderatorr1:
.....
Those guys even killed Jesus because what he ...

and who told you that those guys killed Jesus?

I thought Jesus said he is the one that will lay down his life and pick it up again as he chooses?

esere826:


umhh
so the romans and the greeks of old surreptitiously merged the old and new manuscripts
and we the new creation are incapable of un-merging them?

what makes you think we are a new creation...we are lucky to have been born when men no longer think ''God did it''...we carry out our own research as to why things happen and find solutions to it..man is still man,...we are just inquisitive than our fore fathers.

have you heard of the first schism? by lucian, who argued that the god in the old testament cannot be the one in the new testament that jesus or paul talked about. this lead to a serious debate in the church..this divided the church..the old and new testament was always seperate, it was in the 900-1100 ad that they where merged to get the bible as we know it today.

i guess they never thought in their widest dream that the printing press will be invented and mass production of it will be made and everybody will see the lie and deciet in the so call holy bible...

now see what it has caused..40000 or so denominations..each claiming to be the inspired one.

sonmvayina:


what makes you think we are a new creation...we are lucky to have been born when men no longer think ''God did it''...we carry out our own research as to why things happen and find solutions to it..man is still man,...we are just inquisitive than our fore fathers.

have you heard of the first schism? by lucian, who argued that the god in the old testament cannot be the one in the new testament that jesus or paul talked about. this lead to a serious debate in the church..this divided the church..the old and new testament was always seperate, it was in the 900-1100 ad that they where merged to get the bible as we know it today.

i guess they never thought in their widest dream that the printing press will be invented and mass production of it will be made and everybody will see the lie and deciet in the so call holy bible...

now see what it has caused..40000 or so denominations..each claiming to be the inspired one.

wow

moderatorr1:
To a great extent, considering what Christianity stands for as a religion and as a relationship with God, the old testament should not have been merged with the new.
The old testament is a different God and a different religion, for instance:
God in the old testament led the Israelites through a 40 year journey only to go invade another man's land called Cannan.
They wiped them off and establish their home there. They also destroyed other cities along the way, eg. Jericho.
This is neither the peace, love, respect nor forgiveness that Christianity preaches. It is barbaric. God reportedly ordered Saul through Samuel to massacre the Amalekites. The And punish him for failing to do so.
It's not in anyway different from what boko haram is doing now - forcefully kill people and claim territory in the name of God.
The Two books don't just belong together.
Those guys even killed Jesus because what he was preaching was fundamentally different.
Who ever merged those two books got it wrong.

Follow my other write ups here: http://brainterm.org/twists/view/131635/

All this are from men who are enemy of the word of God, keep on preparing the way for the man of sin;

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 ...'Let no man
deceive you by any means: for that day
shall not come, except there come a
falling away first, and that man of sin be
revealed, the son of perdition; Who
opposeth and exalteth himself above all
that is called God, or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple
of God, showing himself that he is
God.'


Galatians 4:6
Because you are his sons, God sent the
Spirit of his Son into OUR HEART, the Spirit
who calls out, "Abba, Father."

2 Corinthians 1:22
set his SEAL OF OWNERSHIP ON US , and put his Spirit in OUR HEARTS as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

You see, All what you wrote up there is nonsense and you are being manipulated by satan. God Himself sealed our heart with his word and give us the sealed of ownership, He knows us and we know him, thank you.

malvisguy212:
All this are from men who are enemy of the word of God, keep on preparing the way for the man of sin;

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 ...'Let no man
deceive you by any means: for that day
shall not come, except there come a
falling away first, and that man of sin be
revealed, the son of perdition; Who
opposeth and exalteth himself above all
that is called God, or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple
of God, showing himself that he is
God.'


Galatians 4:6
Because you are his sons, God sent the
Spirit of his Son into OUR HEART, the Spirit
who calls out, "Abba, Father."

2 Corinthians 1:22
set his SEAL OF OWNERSHIP ON US , and put his Spirit in OUR HEARTS as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

You see, All what you wrote up there is nonsense and you are being manipulated by satan. God Himself sealed our heart with his word and give us the sealed of ownership, He knows us and we know him, thank you.

what are you talking about?
can you please support or counter the topic rather than recite what you have been indoctrinated with.

moderatorr1:

what are you talking about?
can you please support or counter the topic rather than recite what you have been indoctrinated with.

first, if you know who you are talking to, you will not say this word to me, (it is better a mountain being place on your head)
Secondly the website is an anti Christianity site, so I will leave you to enjoy your lies (at least for the time being until the appointed time come)let me say this; you show favourism towards the gospel of Barnabas,it is clear that this gospel is a fraud trying to wrestled with the truth, who confirmed the gospel of Barnabas? Matthew,Luke, John and mark were confirmed Paul teaches from this gospel and the early apostles were witness of this gospel, infacte Jesus quote from isaiah psalm and ezekiel meaning if you reject the gospel then you must reject this prophet account, isn't it? I will not wast my time here, I live you with your delusions;
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
2:10 And with all deceivableness of
unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received NOT the love of the
truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send
them strong delusion, that they should
believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who
believed not the truth, but had pleasure
in unrighteousness.

They did not accepts the truth,they chose lies, and God send them strong delusions so that they may believe in lies.without you scoffer, this prophecy cannot be fulfilled.

malvisguy212:
first, if you know who you are talking to, you will not say this word to me, (it is better a mountain being place on your head)
Secondly the website is an anti Christianity site, so I will leave you to enjoy your lies (at least for the time being until the appointed time come)let me say this; you show favourism towards the gospel of Barnabas,it is clear that this gospel is a fraud trying to wrestled with the truth, who confirmed the gospel of Barnabas? Matthew,Luke, John and mark were confirmed Paul teaches from this gospel and the early apostles were witness of this gospel, infacte Jesus quote from isaiah psalm and ezekiel meaning if you reject the gospel then you must reject this prophet account, isn't it? I will not wast my time here, I live you with your delusions;
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
2:10 And with all deceivableness of
unrighteousness in them that perish;
because they received NOT the love of the
truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send
them strong delusion, that they should
believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who
believed not the truth, but had pleasure
in unrighteousness.

They did not accepts the truth,they chose lies, and God send them strong delusions so that they may believe in lies.without you scoffer, this prophecy cannot be fulfilled.

Can u tackle the main post on this thread?

moderatorr1:


Can u tackle the main post on this thread?

the op are devilish, and it is the handy work of satan, I will not tackle it I will just show you your foolish idea.

You say the old testament God is different from the new testament God, can you explained why the new testament God quote from the old testament book and called it fulfilled prophecy?in the book of Hebrew we read how Paul qoute from the law of old testament and he even quoted from the prophet and kings and called them MEN OF FAITH but your corrupted mind say the God are different,seriously?this is the truth;

in the old testament, the Jews live by divine law of God and when you break this law of a God who don't ignore sin ,it's punishment but the people keep on breaking the law because man is not perfect and God law required perfect performance, so God made a covenant to Abraham, a promise of saviour who will sealed the law and the word of God in our heart, and the covenant was fulfilled in the person of Jesus christ, Jesus gave us the grace to repent if we sin, the first man to experience the grace of God is the criminal on the cross who died with our Lord, He repented at the last hour and God search his heart and see that the man repented genuinely, and God forgave him.that is grace.


Concerning the amalikites, did you read the whole story? O ye satanic man? It was the amalikites that attack the isrealite first.The Amalekites attacked the Israelites without apparent provocation as they were traveling during the Exodus ( Ex 17:. "When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and cut off all who were lagging behind" ( Dt 25:17-18). They later attacked Israel during the time of the Judges (Jdg 3:13) and often raided the Israelites' land after they had planted crops, leaving them with nothing ( Jdg 6:2-5). God punished the Amalekites by ordering Saul to destroy them ( 1 Sam 15:2-3) - over 300 years after they had first attacked Israel.
During that time, the Amalekites had
contact with the Israelites and would
have heard about God. They could have
repented and changed their ways, but
they continued to raid and plunder other cities up to the time of Saul and David (1 Sam 30:1-3). The Amalekites that Saul and David warred against were clearly no better than their ancestors who had first waylaid Israel.

If you are bound in challenging God, I live you with God, let him fight his battle.peace!!!

The judaic God yahweh was a modification of the supreme God in canaanite pentheon El, the christian God is a modification of the judaic God..

the islam God is also an arabic mutilated version of el...

So if you guys say the God of the old testament is not same as the new... so how dah fvck did the new one suddenly appear all of a sudden and the old one phases off.

They are concepts that are portrayed in different ways... Goes a long way to show people invents Gods to suite what they want and their culture.

if the Old Testament God concept and the new is the same, the obvious difference between them is very clear... then the conclusion must be that it changed from a barbaric sadistic serial killer to a more civilized one.

if it didnt change, then from whence comes the differences?

moderatorr1

Dave, is that you?

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johnydon22:
The judaic God yahweh was a modification of the supreme God in canaanite pentheon El, the christian God is a modification of the judaic God..

the islam God is also an arabic mutilated version of el...

So if you guys say the God of the old testament is not same as the new... so how dah fvck did the new one suddenly appear all of a sudden and the old one phases off.

They are concepts that are portrayed in different ways... Goes a long way to show people invents Gods to suite what they want and their culture.

if the Old Testament God concept and the new is the same, the obvious difference between them is very clear... then the conclusion must be that it changed from a barbaric sadistic serial killer to a more civilized one.

if it didnt change, then from whence comes the differences?

wat distinguishes Gods is the characteristics that define them.
If a god has two different characteristics, then they are two different gods.

I agree, we created them all

moderatorr1:

wat distinguishes Gods is the characteristics that define them.
If a god has two different characteristics, then they are two different gods.

I agree, we created them all

How and when did u create them?

JMAN05:


How and when did u create them?

when the first fool met the first con man...

JMAN05:


How and when did u create them?

every region creates a god and decides what its features will be.
some create several of them. some just assume there is only one.
Either way, they determine what its features will be.

moderatorr1:
every region creates a god and decides what its features will be.
some create several of them. some just assume there is only one.
Either way, they determine what its features will be.

Ur evidence of the Christian God?

JMAN05:


Ur evidence of the Christian God?

i dont get

The old testament and new teatament were inspired by God. Jesus quoted the old testamemt in his teachings. The apostles quoted the old testament too. The prophecy of the birth pf Jesus was given in the old tesstament. Many other examples abound. The two books are related pls. What i can say is that i dont know why they didnt add the book of Enoch. Its also related to what is written in the bible books.

moderatorr1:
i dont get

How did xtians create there own God as u claim?

sonmvayina:


when the first fool met the first con man...

and who was the first fool n d first con man?