Chanchit:
. Ihuoma we are both repeating same thing since, everything has beginning but by the time camera found its way to Africa we don dey Cover. And as for the derogatory comments. #I'msorry. Now leave me alone.

That's what am saying na. Covering up doesn't equate civiliazation. Covering up sometimes is akin to style,religion,weather conditions and preference not a sense of achievement. Does it make you better than more advanced people(non Nigerians) walking around topless in the 19th and 20th century?
Camera? Post pictures of the first yoruba women covered by European cameras.
We need to change our sense of reasoning,we think so lowly about fellow Africans.

TO CURE UR MUMUNI

christopher123:
TRY TAKING OTAPIAPIA. IT HELPS

Ihuomadinihu:

That's what am saying na. Covering up doesn't equate civiliazation. Covering up sometimes is akin to style,religion,weather conditions and preference not a sense of achievement. Does it make you better than more advanced people(non Nigerians) walking around topless in the 19th and 20th century?
Camera? Post pictures of the first yoruba women covered by European cameras.
We need to change our sense of reasoning,we think so lowly about fellow Africans.

. Hmmmm, which part of leave me alone didn't you understand? If I should reply what you just typed we won't leave here.

Chanchit:
. Hmmmm, which part of leave me alone didn't you understand? If I should reply what you just typed we won't leave here.

No wahala. There is nothing you will reply that justifies the way you view people that are different from you. Cheers!

nwaanambra1:
where are his blood lineage today? do they still exist? or the British wiped them all out?

They are alive......and they rule Opobo Kingdom in Rivers State as its Kings.......

emma510:

@ donspero
They only sold thieves, deviants and fraudsters, ur great great grandfather may be one of them.

I don't do pity nigga, research believe what u know I didn't wake up 2 change ur mind... great grand dad dat d best u got.... disappntd

VickyRotex:


Western Civilization. We both know it brought about urban development and social stratification.

Along with more disease, poverty, and crime... but at least we wear clothes now.

icnsystem:
The definations and degrees of civilization vary according to perception,cultural values and environment.What we call western civilization and admire are just ways of life in their clime and it should not be adopted as parameters to conclude that Africans are backward.No no no..!it's not true.That is one fallacy Africans should reject outrightly.
The pictures here are just too perfect becuase they represent the natural way of life of these people back then,when practically the way of life was very close to nature,when farming was 100% organic and there were no chemical in foods which causes cancer and other diseases that are prevalent today.
Further more,Anthropologist and other reseachers in the fields of humanity have even come to conclusion that people of this time has higher quality of life than we the so called civilized people..Hence, these pictures are just too perfect and should be celebrated because they are reflection of our heritage,culture and civilazion as people who are very very very close to nature.
Therefore,King Jaja of Opobo and his wives in these pictures are symbol of our civilization.There is absolutely nothing wrong with this picture.

True, but tbh, they were no more "closer to nature" than other civilizations of the time, who in turn were compared to today as you said. They were just as advanced as China, Egypt or Aztec and even commenced environmental pollution that's ongoing today from excessive deforestation. Read up on the Oyo empire because they were notorious.

hahn:


Seriously dude, you call THAT civilisation? That's more like ignorance. Like someone said, they were supposed to be the elites of their society. Imagine what the ordinary man looked like. And just take a look at the house behind him, that's supposed to be his castle!

A man married 8 wives and left their boobs to hang out and you call that morality? Are you even aware that some elites such as Nana of Koko sold of his own people to slavery?

There was no morality bro, more like an excess of ignorance

I don't know why the likes of you are allowed to flaunt your ignorance on these boards. I guess it's just the sad state of education in Nigeria. The more educated people here would like to know how this constitutes "semi-primitiveness"?
[img]http://1.bp..com/_QVW98iGMXHI/Sx3dkFLN6rI/AAAAAAAAJws/VRNIvtM91No/s640/storeyhouses.jpg[/img]

Let's look at the ordinary man too.

Not the grandest in Nigeria at the time. But no sane man educated on history would call that "semi-primitive" with a serious intent.

And while you're at it, elaborate on why women's chests are "immoral" and where you acquired that insane troll logic from. Couldn't be your beloved whiteman could it?

samsard:
Have you ever seen me reading history books written by the so called European bourgeiose?

Nobody has because it's clear you don't read.

Gamesmart:


This confirms that Ijaw women did not use to wear upper clothes until the white man came.

Thank God for the white man. Imagine we had to watch Patience Jonathan topless.

Nigeria's population would probably have halved from 170m as many would just commit suicide.

Yes, thank God for the barbarians from the West.

VickyRotex:


Oh well, that happens to be one of the numerous disadvantages of civilization

Interesting they never had that problem back then in the igbo civilizations. Virtually no crime there.

Radoillo:
I find it funny that people equate covering the female breasts with being civilised.

Yes, cracks me up.

VickyRotex:


Western Civilization. We both know it brought about urban development and social stratification.

Errr...Im pretty sure these two existed back then according to my history books.

Ihuomadinihu:

How does my profile give you any information about me?
Anyway,all women were topless and braless before they learnt how to cultivate cotton and weave cloth. Just wanted to correct that impression.

And they were brakes after as well. Wasn't needed until insane whitemen gained an interest in chests.

Lol. Yeah, no matter how you look at it that IS primitive. Thatch castles with bamboo? Come on bro.

So, fully clothed white women landed on African soil and met with Queens who left their breats bare for the whole world to see and you mean to tell me that whites taught us how to walk around half nude? Plssssss

Stop being on the defence for once and accept the fact that we ARE primitive. There's nothing wrong with that. Even europeans at one time in history were just as or even more crude. The fact is, without accepting one's fault it will be overtly impossible to improve.

Instead of trying to defend our errors let's face them and work towards improving on ourselves. If we can imitate wearing of suits and ties or using technology then I do believe it is not out of sanity to also imitate what will help us grow as a people.

kingston277:

I don't know why the likes of you are allowed to flaunt your ignorance on these boards. I guess it's just the sad state of education in Nigeria. The more educated people here would like to know how this constitutes "semi-primitiveness"?
[img]http://1.bp..com/_QVW98iGMXHI/Sx3dkFLN6rI/AAAAAAAAJws/VRNIvtM91No/s640/storeyhouses.jpg[/img]

Let's look at the ordinary man too.

Not the grandest in Nigeria at the time. But no sane man educated on history would call that "semi-primitive" with a serious intent.

And while you're at it, elaborate on why women's chests are "immoral" and where you acquired that insane troll logic from. Couldn't be your beloved whiteman could it?

hahn:
Lol. Yeah, no matter how you look at it that IS primitive. Thatch castles with bamboo? Come on bro.

So, fully clothed white women landed on African soil and met with Queens who left their breats bare for the whole world to see and you mean to tell me that whites taught us how to walk around half nude? Plssssss

Stop being on the defence for once and accept the fact that we ARE primitive. There's nothing wrong with that. Even europeans at one time in history were just as or even more crude. The fact is, without accepting one's fault it will be overtly impossible to improve.

Instead of trying to defend our errors let's face them and work towards improving on ourselves. If we can imitate wearing of suits and ties or using technology then I do believe it is not out of sanity to also imitate what will help us grow as a people.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toplessness
Wearing clothes is not a sign of civility or development.
I guess you are the only primitive black man here.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toplessness

Ihuomadinihu:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toplessness
Wearing clothes is not a sign of civility or development.
I guess you are the only primitive black man here.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toplessness

Really? Seriously?

Then why do you wear clothes. The next time you go out to work(if you have one) don't bother putting on clothes and don't forget to take a picture and upload it on nairaland. Hypocrite

hahn:


Really? Seriously?

Then why do you wear clothes. The next time you go out to work(if you have one) don't bother putting on clothes and don't forget to take a picture and upload it on nairaland. Hypocrite

Unfortunately,you are the only one that equates uncladness as primitiveness. Do yourself a favour and read!

Clothing only has one functional purpose, protection. Beyond that, the relevance of clothing varies based on cultural worldviews. It is ignorance to associate clothing with civilization. Doing such is akin to saying that a culture of with no paid police force has no concept of law and order. Statements like that make you out to be a poor student of human history.

kingston277:

Nobody has because it's clear you don't read.

I have read a few history books, but am obviously no history student, so i read about things that are of interest to me. But i think you mistake agreeing with some historians for wide reading.

Ishilove:
Why is it that 90% of the posters on this thread are men?

Men ehn, una no dey use eye see boobs. Una must vibrate. Mscheeeew.

is that how hubby vibrate whenever he sees yours?

Ihuomadinihu:

Unfortunately,you are the only one that equates uncladness as primitiveness. Do yourself a favour and read!

What good is the ability to read without the ability to understand? Your lack of understanding is the apparent cause for your confused comment

hahn:


What good is the ability to read without the ability to understand? Your lack of understanding is the apparent cause for your confused comment

Confused comment? You are the confused primitive man here.

Ihuomadinihu:

Confused comment? You are the confused primitive man here.

*yawns*

Another dunce trying to have an intelligent conversation

hahn:


*yawns*

Another dunce trying to have an intelligent conversation

Pls make a coherent statement,no point insulting people! This topic has already been sorted and trashed out long before you showed up. If you wish to call yourself primitive and backward,i have no problems with it.

Ihuomadinihu:

Pls make a coherent statement,no point insulting people! This topic has already been sorted and trashed out long before you showed up. If you wish to call yourself primitive and backward,i have no problems with it.

I was trying to have a conversation with someone else till you decided to jump in.

Your opinion is not my concern

hahn:


I was trying to have a conversation with someone else till you decided to jump in.

Your opinion is not my concern

Sorry,my opinion is 100% accurate ,backed with empirical facts. Your line of conversation or opinion is useless and irrelevant to this thread.

Ihuomadinihu:

Sorry,my opinion is 100% accurate ,backed with empirical facts. Your line of conversation or opinion is useless and irrelevant to this thread.

Your opinion is still useless to me

hahn:

Your opinion is still useless to me

That is for you,not for this thread. Unfortunately,your's is rubbish.

hahn:
Lol. Yeah, no matter how you look at it that IS primitive. Thatch castles with bamboo? Come on bro.

Boy the Whiteman must be a caveman by your logic.

The Chinese really need some civilizing.

Even the Arabs take pride in their "semi-primitiveness".

I bet you don't even know the definition of the word but yet you keep throwing it around at anything that isn't made by whites, no matter how rudimentary it is.

hahn:

So, fully clothed white women landed on African soil and met with Queens who left their breats bare for the whole world to see and you mean to tell me that whites taught us how to walk around half nude? Plssssss

Oh, you mean the same white women who walk around shirtless in Europe and NA?
http://www.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-health/q681599-why-european-women-okay-with-being-naked-or
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_Canada
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_the_Nipple_%28campaign%29
So after a century of indoctrinating your gullible grandparents into believing the crap you just regurgitated on female chests. These same white women are now fighting for topfreedom and normalization of female chests. And you're still stuck in your old ways of thinking that the rest of the world left behind when doctors announced that there are minimal if almost nonexistent differences between male and female chests beyond size.

hahn:
Stop being on the defence for once and accept the fact that we ARE primitive. There's nothing wrong with that. Even europeans at one time in history were just as or even more crude. The fact is, without accepting one's fault it will be overtly impossible to improve.

Instead of trying to defend our errors let's face them and work towards improving on ourselves. If we can imitate wearing of suits and ties or using technology then I do believe it is not out of sanity to also imitate what will help us grow as a people.

Why would I agree that a people who built the world's largest earthwork, produced the worlds highest grade steel until the 19th century, built submarines out of canoes, has had numerous architecture as runner up on Unesco's world wonders, we're one of the first to practise ironworking, developed scripts, put together some of the world's most sophisticated irrigation, had some of the wealthiest empires the world has ever seen, and have sailed as far as China, etc as primitive?

I fear the Nigerian education system is worse than I thought if you find it okay to show such apathy for human achievements on the grounds of skin colour.
If that's how you reason Then you have no grounds to speak on African history. There is a reason the general world historian community has written several works debunking the very words you typed and have spent half a century successfully debating the likes of you.

All the "achievements" by our ancestors mean absolutely nothing if the modern day Africa still wallows in abject poverty, lack of electricity, diseases(ebola, which in this case the cure was created by the "whites" whome you detest so much), hunger, tribal wars and every anti-development situation you can think of.

And you really can't compare that building in the pic with jaja's crib man. What's wrong with you? The Arabs you talk about see the negro as a totally inferior race. Why would you even bother comparing yourself to them?

Yes, white ladies walk around halfnude but even you, no matter how deluded you are, can't ignore how Africans condemn such actions NOW. Right now in Africa, a lady can't get molested and raped in broad daylight for putting on a see through dress. Not in all cases but it has happened. Africans criticize nudity even more than the whites.

Take your head out of the butt of THEN and smell the fart of NOW. Africa is a shadow of its past glory and its very annoying to have to waste my precious battery life, since there is no fuel to power my gen, to chat with a low self-esteemed afro american(or whatever you like to be called these days) over what is going on PRESENTLY in Africa as opposed to what you've read in your history books.

kingston277:


Boy the Whiteman must be a caveman by your logic.

Even the Arabs take pride in their "semi-primitiveness".

I bet you don't even know the definition of the word but yet you keep throwing it around at anything that isn't made by whites, no matter how rudimentary it is.


Oh, you mean the same white women who walk around shirtless in Europe and NA?
http://www.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-health/q681599-why-european-women-okay-with-being-naked-or
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_Canada
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_the_Nipple_%28campaign%29
So after a century of indoctrinating your gullible grandparents into believing the crap you just regurgitated on female chests. These same white women are now fighting for topfreedom and normalization of female chests. And you're still stuck in your old ways of thinking that the rest of the world left behind when doctors announced that there are minimal if almost nonexistent differences between male and female chests beyond size.


Why would I agree that a people who built the world's largest earthwork, produced the worlds highest grade steel until the 19th century, built submarines out of canoes, has had numerous architecture as runner up on Unesco's world wonders, we're one of the first to practise ironworking, developed scripts, put together some of the world's most sophisticated irrigation, had some of the wealthiest empires the world has ever seen, and have sailed as far as China, etc as primitive?

I fear the Nigerian education system is worse than I thought if you find it okay to show such apathy on human achievements on the grounds of skin colour.
If that's how you reason Then you have no grounds to speak on African history. There is a reason the general world historian community has written several works debunking the very words you typed and have spent half a century successfully debating the likes of you.