brocab:
Ubenedictus I am not a Nigerian. My home is far far away..And in my country we have different customs, and different ways to address other men.
If I was to call men dear, I would either receive a strange look followed with a punch or two, or I would find out later I have been called a gay.
This is why, we don't address any man "as dear."
But on top of all this, matter of fact you are the only Believer who calls anybody dear on this forum, I never heard Papist calling anybody dear, nor SalC, and I believe she's female, and still she don't call anybody dear, all any of the others who are Nigerians, only you address men as dear.
Is it only a custom to you?

brocab and your usual life of constantly editing your posts long after posting them. Must you mention me when you write things you are not sure of?


And to say I don't call anybody dear is quiet ridiculous because the word 'dear' is more or less my trademark and I can't even count how many times I say it everyday, and even here on NL I use it often, you don't know it because you hardly pay attention since you are always busy making unsubstantiated argument and trying hard to shift post when you are busted.

Am already accustomed to your lies, am only surprised Uben still have the time to listen to your unending lies.

If you like, term every word gay, that's your own cup of hot coffee.

A post you made by 11:33pm yesterday, you suddenly decide to add my name now....ok you've been noticed. Move on!

Not really, I was just proving a point to Ubenedictus that not of his religious crew address people with starting or ending with the comment dear. You have never called me dear, other names but never dear, dear coming from a female' sounds right, but Uben claiming to be a man, calling other men dear sounds Gay.
Sorry to bring your name up, it was the fact I just thought of you and Papist that's all.

And I am also a custom to your lies as well, and I am not surprise, that you yourself shows clearly your a unforgiven so called Christian.
Let me remind you miss SalC since the words were written by you about the existence of the Roman Catholic Church signs, after beating your chest you must be in a painful status Q, the point you tried to prove was pointless-even if it did mean for you to lie.

But I don't hold that against you, I don't hunt you down like a dog, like you do to me, every time my Name is mention.
You made a mistake, who cares-not everyone in the Catholic Church knows about the existence of the Roman Catholic Churches if they stand.
Plus I like hearing from Uben, some of his Quotes are interesting.
11:33 your time not mine.

SalC:
brocab and your usual life of constantly editing your posts long after posting them. Must you mention me when you write things you are not sure of?


And to say I don't call anybody dear is quiet ridiculous because the word 'dear' is more or less my trademark and I can't even count how many times I say it everyday, and even here on NL I use it often, you don't know it because you hardly pay attention since you are always busy making unsubstantiated argument and trying hard to shift post when you are busted.

Am already accustomed to your lies, am only surprised Uben still have the time to listen to your unending lies.

If you like, term every word gay, that's your own cup of hot coffee.

A post you made by 11:33pm yesterday, you suddenly decide to add my name now....ok you've been noticed. Move on!

Are you a religious dummy too? Or do we call you another name.

Syncan:



Hahahaha, goodluck to you Ubenedictus. It seems this comedy is now telling on you. Lol. Next thing you should argue about is who called the other "dummy" first. Make I laugh joor.

brocab:
Not really, I was just proving a point to Ubenedictus that not of his religious crew address people with starting or ending with the comment dear. You have never called me dear, other names but never dear, dear coming from a female' sounds right, but Uben claiming to be a man, calling other men dear sounds Gay.
Sorry to bring your name up, it was the fact I just thought of you and Papist that's all.

And I am also a custom to your lies as well, and I am not surprise, that you yourself shows clearly your a unforgiven so called Christian.
Let me remind you miss SalC since the words were written by you about the existence of the Roman Catholic Church signs, after beating your chest you must be in a painful status Q, the point you tried to prove was pointless-even if it did mean for you to lie.

But I don't hold that against you, I don't hunt you down like a dog, like you do to me, every time my Name is mention.
You made a mistake, who cares-not everyone in the Catholic Church knows about the existence of the Roman Catholic Churches if they stand.
Plus I like hearing from Uben, some of his Quotes are interesting.
11:33 your time not mine.

Like I said, you are wrong! That I never called you dear is not thesame as I never call anyone dear which was what you said.

Here is a post I made and I called a female dear, and this is just one of such many posts.

https://www.nairaland.com/1464338/thread-catholics/379#34134343

So before you mention me again, be sure of what you are saying.

As for you saying am haunting you, I don't even remember ever mentioning you anywhere since my last discussion with you rather you are the one poke nosing and mentioning me even when I ignored your mentions even on the Catholic thread, so please check again who is haunting who.

And I will spare you digging your numerous lies of constantine killing the apostles and pope Benedict converting to islam, am even laughing hard that according to you it is now the Catholic Church who charged the apostles of treason and killed them and no longer Constantine smh, and the so called sign you posted is no prove since you can't provide any official Catholic document to authenticate it, it can as well be photoshoped so please spare me that line

As for you, your lies are legendary and deep rooted in you that sometimes I wonder if you actually mean the things you say or merely catching fun.

Btw are you always like this in real life?.

That's ok, if you do address others with the word dear, I would rather hear it from you, then hearing it from another man, who calls men dear.
Sorry I don't recall you ever mentioning you calling me dear, other names "Yes" but not as a sweet name as dear "No".

As I had admitted I was wrong about Constantine, but you couldn't front up with your own lying mistakes, matter of fact you hid under the bed until now, and you still can't tell me you had made a mistake.
It don't matter I had forgiven you anyway, but it would have been nicer if it came from you.

It's alright if you don't understand the Spiritual side in bible studies, if you don't understand about the Pope's now, someday the time will come when you will know? I pray it won't be to late for any of you.
If you knew me in real life, you would have a laughable time-like many do, you would either run in fear, or you would sit with me, at my expense wining and dining.

SalC:
Like I said, you are wrong! That I never called you dear is not thesame as I never call anyone dear which was what you said.

Here is a post I made and I called a female dear, and this is just one of such many posts.

https://www.nairaland.com/1464338/thread-catholics/379#34134343

So before you mention me again, be sure of what you are saying.

As for you saying am haunting you, I don't even remember ever mentioning you anywhere since my last discussion with you rather you are the one poke nosing and mentioning me even when I ignored your mentions even on the Catholic thread, so please check again who is haunting who.

And I will spare you digging your numerous lies of constantine killing the apostles and pope Benedict converting to islam, am even laughing hard that according to you it is now the Catholic Church who charged the apostles of treason and killed them and no longer Constantine smh, and the so called sign you posted is no prove since you can't provide any official Catholic document to authenticate it, it can as well be photoshoped so please spare me that line

As for you, your lies are legendary and deep rooted in you that sometimes I wonder if you actually mean the things you say or merely catching fun.

Btw are you always like this in real life?.

brocab:
That's ok, if you do address others with the word dear, I would rather hear it from you, then hearing it from another man, who calls men dear.
Sorry I don't recall you ever mentioning you calling me dear, other names "Yes" but not as a sweet name as dear "No".

As I had admitted I was wrong about Constantine, but you couldn't front up with your own lying mistakes, matter of fact you hid under the bed until now, and you still can't tell me you had made a mistake.
It don't matter I had forgiven you anyway, but it would have been nicer if it came from you.

It's alright if you don't understand the Spiritual side in bible studies, if you don't understand about the Pope's now, someday the time will come when you will know? I pray it won't be to late for any of you.
If you knew me in real life, you would have a laughable time-like many do, you would either run in fear, or you would sit with me, at my expense wining and dining.

Hey brocab, if you are looking for females to call you dear just say it and we will take note of that, if that's gonna solve all your problems, I will personally give you a trailer load of it instead of you hanging on on a word a man said and getting him to keep defending he isn't gay simply because your skewed mindset got the wrong hint,

Oh good, you finally admitted you were wrong about Constantine, but admitting you were wrong on it and then shifting to "the Catholic church charged the apostles for treason" still doesn't exonerate you from lies.

And it is quite laughable for you to even think I'd hide because of you when you should rather be the one hiding, I've watched the likes of you come and go on this forum so your issue is quite simple, since you have lots of pending proofs to present.

Now you got me laughing hysterically, so your false claim of Pope Benedict converting to islam is now a spiritual sid of Bible study

Bro its obvious something isn't right somewhere. May Mary the immaculate mother of Christ keep interceeding for you till all is well again

SalC:
Hey brocab, if you are looking for females to call you dear just say it and we will take note of that, if that's gonna solve all your problems, I will personally give you a trailer load of it instead of you hanging on on a word a man said and getting him to keep defending he isn't gay simply because your skewed mindset got the wrong hint,

Oh good, you finally admitted you were wrong about Constantine, but admitting you were wrong on it and then shifting to "the Catholic church charged the apostles for treason" still doesn't exonerate you from lies.

And it is quite laughable for you to even think I'd hide because of you when you should rather be the one hiding, I've watched the likes of you come and go on this forum so your issue is quite simple, since you have lots of pending proofs to present.

Now you got me laughing hysterically, so your false claim of Pope Benedict converting to islam is now a spiritual sid of Bible study

Bro its obvious something isn't right somewhere. May Mary the immaculate mother of Christ keep interceeding for you till all is well again

Wow, SalC you wrote all these for the cabbie man to read? I doubt he comprehends beyond a three line speech.

SalC:
Like I said, you are wrong! That I never called you dear is not thesame as I never call anyone dear which was what you said.

Here is a post I made and I called a female dear, and this is just one of such many posts.

https://www.nairaland.com/1464338/thread-catholics/379#34134343

So before you mention me again, be sure of what you are saying.

As for you saying am haunting you, I don't even remember ever mentioning you anywhere since my last discussion with you rather you are the one poke nosing and mentioning me even when I ignored your mentions even on the Catholic thread, so please check again who is haunting who.

And I will spare you digging your numerous lies of constantine killing the apostles and pope Benedict converting to islam, am even laughing hard that according to you it is now the Catholic Church who charged the apostles of treason and killed them and no longer Constantine smh, and the so called sign you posted is no prove since you can't provide any official Catholic document to authenticate it, it can as well be photoshoped so please spare me that line

As for you, your lies are legendary and deep rooted in you that sometimes I wonder if you actually mean the things you say or merely catching fun.

Btw are you always like this in real life?.

chai!

Syncan:



Hahahaha, goodluck to you Ubenedictus. It seems this comedy is now telling on you. Lol. Next thing you should argue about is who called the other "dummy" first. Make I laugh joor.

lol,

I can't remember when last I felt this way, how can human be this capable of bais and misinformation.

He who does not know, and does not know that he does not know and does not want to know is a bad discussion partner. I don't know if he is just really dumb or if he is trying to make me disgusted.


I will rank this among the worst discussions i have had on nairaland.

As for ur prediction on the next arguement i think he won that one, he probably used the word dummy first.

Yeye talk.

It's good to hear you are back miss SalC-still as bitchy as you were before you left, do you find it hard to be nice just a little?
Do you really believe I am your enemy, that you have to gang up and defend yourself without God, do you even realize, I am also a man of God.
Well it's good to see you are alive and well, is this your true colours, are you like this in real life-that every time I am mention, you turn yourself into a raging bull.
Are all Catholic's like you? Don't you believe the Catholic Church had murdered your so called Pope Peter-are you sure which Peter you are interfering too.
We maybe talking about to different People, Jesus disciple was Peter, who was later married to his wife, who brought the truth to you.
And your Popes don't get married, and still you are confused..
Emperor Nero murdered the apostle Peter along with apostle Paul-and not your Pope Peter-this is where you maybe getting things confused here. See apostle Peter walked with Christ, and I have never known any Pope do the same is walk with Christ.

Its good to see you had finely risen from under your bed, it must of been a hard road for you, after publicity lying in front of your religious friends after all.
Good and faithful servant. It's good to hear you are still alive and fiery.
You really don't know much about the bible, do you, and you don't believe in end times prophesies, wow how sad..
But It's good to quote you back.
I don't want Mary to pray for me, would you ask the Lord yourself and Pray for me.

SalC:
Hey brocab, if you are looking for females to call you dear just say it and we will take note of that, if that's gonna solve all your problems, I will personally give you a trailer load of it instead of you hanging on on a word a man said and getting him to keep defending he isn't gay simply because your skewed mindset got the wrong hint,

Oh good, you finally admitted you were wrong about Constantine, but admitting you were wrong on it and then shifting to "the Catholic church charged the apostles for treason" still doesn't exonerate you from lies.

And it is quite laughable for you to even think I'd hide because of you when you should rather be the one hiding, I've watched the likes of you come and go on this forum so your issue is quite simple, since you have lots of pending proofs to present.

Now you got me laughing hysterically, so your false claim of Pope Benedict converting to islam is now a spiritual sid of Bible study

Bro its obvious something isn't right somewhere. May Mary the immaculate mother of Christ keep interceeding for you till all is well again

Syncan:



Wow, SalC you wrote all these for the cabbie man to read? I doubt he comprehends beyond a three line speech.

Maybe he will comprehend this time, though I suspect he needs more of prayers.

Ubenedictus:


chai!

Lol,

brocab:
It's good to hear you are back miss SalC-still as bitchy as you were before you left, do you find it hard to be nice just a little?
Do you really believe I am your enemy, that you have to gang up and defend yourself without God, do you even realize, I am also a man of God.
Well it's good to see you are alive and well, is this your true colours, are you like this in real life-that every time I am mention, you turn yourself into a raging bull.
Are all Catholic's like you? Don't you believe the Catholic Church had murdered your so called Pope Peter-are you sure which Peter you are interfering too.
We maybe talking about to different People, Jesus disciple was Peter, who was later married to his wife, who brought the truth to you.
And your Popes don't get married, and still you are confused..
Emperor Nero murdered the apostle Peter along with apostle Paul-and not your Pope Peter-this is where you maybe getting things confused here. See apostle Peter walked with Christ, and I have never known any Pope do the same is walk with Christ.

Its good to see you had finely risen from under your bed, it must of been a hard road for you, after publicity lying in front of your religious friends after all.
Good and faithful servant. It's good to hear you are still alive and fiery.
You really don't know much about the bible, do you, and you don't believe in end times prophesies, wow how sad..
But It's good to quote you back.
I don't want Mary to pray for me, would you ask the Lord yourself and Pray for me.

I was tempted to strike this post through as usual cuz it made no sense, but since its morning here let me spare you that and rather joke along for this must all be a big joke.

First I take exceptions to you attaching title to my screen name since you don't know me, I might even be older than you can imagine with more children than you can think of.

You believe am not being nice, cool, but mind you; you might just be speaking to one of the nicest people you will ever meet in your lifetime

Here we go again, instead of simply admitting you are now really confused, here you are trying hard to differentiate between Peter and Peter,

Back indeed, I never left this forum all along, I've been very much around watching Nairalanders make a mess of the baseless strawman's arguments you put up here and there

And please keep "your" interpretations of endtime prophecies to yourself, I don't need them.

Nay, seriously you need Mother Mary's intercession more as it is now,

brocab:
Yes of course you can speak, how come you believe your Church stands with pride on good foundations above all other denominational Churches?
And you say Pope Peter was one of Christ's apostles that started your Church, and later the Church found him guilty of treason, and had him crucified up side down on the Cross, while the apostle Paul has his head decapitated, were they murdered because they tried to show the Church that the body of Christ is the Church. Not a man made structure, build with statues and idols.

Was it Emperor Nero that made the final decision, to remove the apostles Peter and Paul, do you realize what the Catholic Church had done. You had taken Christ out of the Church. You had done what the Pharisees done, taken Christ out from among them, by crucifixion.

So how can you call your Church the Church of Jesus Christ, when Jesus spoke clearly on Love and forgiveness.

And was not the apostle Peter a married man, or were the Popes back then married men also?
Ubenedictus you should read this-look what your dear Papist have Quoted>The one Church where all man made protestant denominations came from.
But before your Church was built by men-Christianity came from Christ Himself, where all those who have left your Church since then, all have gone back and found the true foundation in Christ Himself, His true Church' which is the body from the beginning.

Are you insane? Pope St Peter was crucified by the pagan emperor Nero who i'm sure you will insist without evidence that he was a Catholic emperor. I read some of your posts on the sabbath being changed so i suspect you are suffering from the same delusions that Ellen G White was suffering from.

brocab:
Well I have no argument when one calls either your sister brother mother father child or Grand parents dear, or lets say If I was to meet a female-then the term dear does not sound out of order. But when I hear men calling other men dear, it's disrespectful, Gay.

Not every man calls men dear in your country, you must be proud you are the first, and it is understandable for your Mother to address others with dear, but coming from a man who addresses dear to another man "a stranger" and then you say your showing affection towards me.

You are either a Gay who have not yet found your true foundations to know your true identity' wherever you stand.
While in the meantime you are confused God had already given you your manhood, you either learn how to address other men as men, friend, mate, gentlemen with respect, or you stay affectionate as you are. And don't be a fended when one is confused how you address your dear mentally towards other men.
It shows clearly you just haven't understood the story written in the bible about how God made Adam and eve, who calls each other dear, and not Adam and Steve.

Lol this is beyond silly.

You say this topic is beyond silly, not quite.
Uben and myself enjoyed our silly-ness, this is how it sounds when I think about the dangers I would be putting myself in, if I addressed men calling them dear in my country going out to a night club-men would punch me, two maybe three and more times, calling me either Gay, or a Homo.
Uben explain, in his country all men address other men calling them dear, even to strangers, I just explain to him I never heard you or even SalC call others dear on this forum.
I was writing to Uben explaining to Him-in my country if one was to call another man dear, sounds gay. Uben then assumed I was from his country, but sorry to disappoint him, I am not.
So as silly you think it is, Uben and I had our fun writing it.

Papist:

Lol this is beyond silly.

Since you seem to know everything about the past, then prove to me without guessing' it was the apostle Peter had started up your Church, and How do you get the scripture Matthew 16:18 to line up with, peter being the founder of the Church.
You really haven't got any evidence, to prove otherwise.

And if Peter was married as the scriptures tells us, then why not all the other bishops and priest, you have' get married.
Or maybe Peter was an elder or a bishop not the Pope-Titus 1:5-7 a bishop must be blameless a husband of one wife.

What I don't understand is: Who made apostle Peter the pope?

This is what I have found>In the book of men-the following titles are commonly used with reference to a man, "Pope" "Holy father" Vicar of Christ" " Sovereign Pontiff" All these are titles that rightly belong only to the Lord Jesus Christ and to God the Father.

There is not a single instance of the scriptures where any of the above titles are applied to a man.

The term "Holy Father is used only once in the entire bible, and it's used by Jesus in addressing God the Father {John 17:11}
{unless you can show me otherwise}

Among the above titles is the bold assertion that the Pope is the "Vicar of Christ."
A Vicar is "One serving as a substitute or agent' one authorized to perform the functions of another in higher office," when one searches the bible from cover to cover, he finds only one passage which gives an indication of a vicar of Christ or God.

In 2 Thessalonian's 2:3-4 which say's>"Let no-one deceive you by any means; for the day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of prediction, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Some religionists today advocate the man is saved by faith only. How ever, there is only one scripture in the entire bible, that says the words "faith and only" together written in James 2:24 and it says "Not by faith only."

The Catholic's today speak of the Pope as Vicar, taking the place of God.
{Christ Himself is God, Matthew 1:23, and John 1:1}

So may I ask: your religion has nothing to do with the entire bible so who are you?.

Papist:

Are you insane? Pope St Peter was crucified by the pagan emperor Nero who i'm sure you will insist without evidence that he was a Catholic emperor. I read some of your posts on the sabbath being changed so i suspect you are suffering from the same delusions that Ellen G White was suffering from.

Thanks..We believe in two different beliefs. I have never believed in Christ as a pussy-I look up to Him, He is my Father and Brother, who had saved me from the place I was heading down too.

When I read my bible, and look else where to find truth, I spend time at home for hours sometimes daily, just to know the truth.
I always pray to God, and I always am asking him for the truth, wisdom and knowledge, sometimes I write things that doesn't sound as it should, but deep within, I am learning everyday about new things.

That is why nothing makes sense to you, about end time prophesies.
The bible is one book I understand. I look for evidence' out and about around the globe in these last days.
And behind closed doors, even you yourself wouldn't be able to handle, the supernatural behaviour that's spreading across our nations today.

Something is happening, and in our life time, we will see it happen.

Listen I am not a bad person. I am a strong believer in Christ.

I am not saying you had left this forum, I was preferring, you had left us quoting against our debates.

And I suppose you won't like what I have written to Papist, about who you believe who your pope maybe.

But try to understand I am a believer in Christ as well, and I always search through the scriptures to find truth.

SalC:
I was tempted to strike this post through as usual cuz it made no sense, but since its morning here let me spare you that and rather joke along for this must all be a big joke.

First I take exceptions to you attaching title to my screen name since you don't know me, I might even be older than you can imagine with more children than you can think of.

You believe am not being nice, cool, but mind you; you might just be speaking to one of the nicest people you will ever meet in your lifetime

Here we go again, instead of simply admitting you are now really confused, here you are trying hard to differentiate between Peter and Peter,

Back indeed, I never left this forum all along, I've been very much around watching Nairalanders make a mess of the baseless strawman's arguments you put up here and there

And please keep "your" interpretations of endtime prophecies to yourself, I don't need them.

Nay, seriously you need Mother Mary's intercession more as it is now,

brocab:
Since you seem to know everything about the past, then prove to me without guessing' it was the apostle Peter had started up your Church, and How do you get the scripture Matthew 16:18 to line up with, peter being the founder of the Church.
You really haven't got any evidence, to prove otherwise.

And if Peter was married as the scriptures tells us, then why not all the other bishops and priest, you have' get married.
Or maybe Peter was an elder or a bishop not the Pope-Titus 1:5-7 a bishop must be blameless a husband of one wife.

What I don't understand is: Who made apostle Peter the pope?

This is what I have found>In the book of men-the following titles are commonly used with reference to a man, "Pope" "Holy father" Vicar of Christ" " Sovereign Pontiff" All these are titles that rightly belong only to the Lord Jesus Christ and to God the Father.

There is not a single instance of the scriptures where any of the above titles are applied to a man.

The term "Holy Father is used only once in the entire bible, and it's used by Jesus in addressing God the Father {John 17:11}
{unless you can show me otherwise}

Among the above titles is the bold assertion that the Pope is the "Vicar of Christ."
A Vicar is "One serving as a substitute or agent' one authorized to perform the functions of another in higher office," when one searches the bible from cover to cover, he finds only one passage which gives an indication of a vicar of Christ or God.

In 2 Thessalonian's 2:3-4 which say's>"Let no-one deceive you by any means; for the day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of prediction, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Some religionists today advocate the man is saved by faith only. How ever, there is only one scripture in the entire bible, that says the words "faith and only" together written in James 2:24 and it says "Not by faith only."

The Catholic's today speak of the Pope as Vicar, taking the place of God.
{Christ Himself is God, Matthew 1:23, and John 1:1}

So may I ask: your religion has nothing to do with the entire bible so who are you?.

Why would he not be called Holy Father when he sits on the majestic chair of St Peter Prince of the Apostles? He is not like the founder of your sect Ellen G White because he derives his authority from Christ Himself who said *you are Peter and upon this Rock i will build my Church*. My friend all the Partriachs of the ancient Churches are called Holy Fathers and these are the Bishops of Rome, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch and Constantinople. It is an ancient tradition. And St Peter did not found our Church, Jesus did. Listen to Tertullian here writing in 200AD and tell me the origin of your church:

Moreover, if there be any
[heresies] bold enough to plant
themselves in the midst of the
apostolic age, so that they might
seem to have been handed down
by the Apostles because they were
from the time of the Apostles, we
can say to them: let them show
the origin of their Churches, let
them unroll the order of their
bishops, running down in
succession from the beginning, so
that their first bishop shall have
for author and predecessor some
one of the Apostles or of the
apostolic men who continued
steadfast with the Apostles. For
this is the way in which the
apostolic Churches transmit their
lists: like the Church of the
Smyrnaeans, which records that
Polycarp was placed there by John;
like the Church of the Romans
where Clement was ordained by
Peter. In just this same way the
other Churches display those
whom they have as sprouts from
the apostolic seed, having been
established in the episcopate by
the Apostles. Let the heretics
invent something like it. After their
blasphemies, what could be
unlawful for them? But even if
they should contrive it, they will
accomplish nothing; for their
doctrine itself, when compared
with that of the Apostles, will
show by its own diversity and
contrariety that it has for its
author neither an Apostle nor an
apostolic man.

brocab:
Since you seem to know everything about the past, then prove to me without guessing' it was the apostle Peter had started up your Church, and How do you get the scripture Matthew 16:18 to line up with, peter being the founder of the Church.
You really haven't got any evidence, to prove otherwise.

And if Peter was married as the scriptures tells us, then why not all the other bishops and priest, you have' get married.
Or maybe Peter was an elder or a bishop not the Pope-Titus 1:5-7 a bishop must be blameless a husband of one wife.

What I don't understand is: Who made apostle Peter the pope?

This is what I have found>In the book of men-the following titles are commonly used with reference to a man, "Pope" "Holy father" Vicar of Christ" " Sovereign Pontiff" All these are titles that rightly belong only to the Lord Jesus Christ and to God the Father.

There is not a single instance of the scriptures where any of the above titles are applied to a man.

The term "Holy Father is used only once in the entire bible, and it's used by Jesus in addressing God the Father {John 17:11}
{unless you can show me otherwise}

Among the above titles is the bold assertion that the Pope is the "Vicar of Christ."
A Vicar is "One serving as a substitute or agent' one authorized to perform the functions of another in higher office," when one searches the bible from cover to cover, he finds only one passage which gives an indication of a vicar of Christ or God.

In 2 Thessalonian's 2:3-4 which say's>"Let no-one deceive you by any means; for the day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of prediction, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Some religionists today advocate the man is saved by faith only. How ever, there is only one scripture in the entire bible, that says the words "faith and only" together written in James 2:24 and it says "Not by faith only."

The Catholic's today speak of the Pope as Vicar, taking the place of God.
{Christ Himself is God, Matthew 1:23, and John 1:1}

So may I ask: your religion has nothing to do with the entire bible so who are you?.

it seems you do not know that "pope" is simply a title used by the Bishop of Rome.

The pope like St peter is a Bishop. I'm suprised you don't know this.

There are also married priests in the Catholic Church, there are only more celibate priest because St Paul teaches that "It is better to be unmarried so that one may be dedicated to the Lord". So celibacy is considered a good thing in the priesthood because it helps one to be dedicated to God. That not withstanding there have been married bishops and priest, st peter is a good example of a married pope. Even though it seems his wife didn't live long enough to see his ministry.

Interesting argument or do I say gist....Pls continue,I'm learning.

Following......

brocab:
Thanks..We believe in two different beliefs. I have never believed in Christ as a pussy-I look up to Him, He is my Father and Brother, who had saved me from the place I was heading down too.

When I read my bible, and look else where to find truth, I spend time at home for hours sometimes daily, just to know the truth.
I always pray to God, and I always am asking him for the truth, wisdom and knowledge, sometimes I write things that doesn't sound as it should, but deep within, I am learning everyday about new things.

That is why nothing makes sense to you, about end time prophesies.
The bible is one book I understand. I look for evidence' out and about around the globe in these last days.
And behind closed doors, even you yourself wouldn't be able to handle, the supernatural behaviour that's spreading across our nations today.

Something is happening, and in our life time, we will see it happen.

Listen I am not a bad person. I am a strong believer in Christ.

I am not saying you had left this forum, I was preferring, you had left us quoting against our debates.

And I suppose you won't like what I have written to Papist, about who you believe who your pope maybe.

But try to understand I am a believer in Christ as well, and I always search through the scriptures to find truth.

Keep searching and keep learning, come back when you've learnt.

I have leanrt and loving it...

SalC:
Keep searching and keep learning, come back when you've learnt.

Not priest only bishops were married..
Only guessing without evidence you have no idea if Pope Peters wife died before he became Pope..
1 Corinthians 7:9 And Paul mention its better to marry if one burns with passion.

But one may ask where did the Catholic's go wrong in the scriptures, when it seems the priest that burn with enough passion, have either refuse marriage, making their Choices involving the church, looking for other ways to satisfy their needs, even if it does destroy millions of young life's.

Ubenedictus:


it seems you do not know that "pope" is simply a title used by the Bishop of Rome.

The pope like St peter is a Bishop. I'm suprised you don't know this.

There are also married priests in the Catholic Church, there are only more celibate priest because St Paul teaches that "It is better to be unmarried so that one may be dedicated to the Lord". So celibacy is considered a good thing in the priesthood because it helps one to be dedicated to God. That not withstanding there have been married bishops and priest, st peter is a good example of a married pope. Even though it seems his wife didn't live long enough to see his ministry.

Stick around, its a born again verses the Catholic's

peppyluv02:
Interesting argument or do I say gist....Pls continue,I'm learning.

Following......

QualityShare:
An 18 yr old girl who died and came back from hell recounts her story,

Pope john paul, while on earth was not born again and also was an idol worshiper (the bowing down to Mary and saints Images). This is a warning to ALL Catholics who are also on their way to hell for idol worshiping.

Michael jackson also was sighted in hell. don't ask me why,

read more here,

http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5271:michael-jackson-is-in-hell-pope-john-paul-ii-is-not-in-heaven-either&catid=73:music&Itemid=299

Nonsense, full of sh*t

Pope Peter and the apostle Peter are two different people, and why address any other as holy father when you know theirs only one Holy Father, and that's God Himself.

We don't need to worship Ellen G white, Jesus is our Lord.
Luke 4:8 And Jesus said: its the Lord God you shall worship and Him only you shall serve..

You should try it sometime, and see Jesus as the head above all that is made. Not worship some other authority, you believe it's from another.

Papist:

Why would he not be called Holy Father when he sits on the majestic chair of St Peter Prince of the Apostles? He is not like the founder of your sect Ellen G White because he derives his authority from Christ Himself who said *you are Peter and upon this Rock i will build my Church*. My friend all the Partriachs of the ancient Churches are called Holy Fathers and these are the Bishops of Rome, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch and Constantinople. It is an ancient tradition. And St Peter did not found our Church, Jesus did. Listen to Tertullian here writing in 200AD and tell me the origin of your church:

Moreover, if there be any
[heresies] bold enough to plant
themselves in the midst of the
apostolic age, so that they might
seem to have been handed down
by the Apostles because they were
from the time of the Apostles, we
can say to them: let them show
the origin of their Churches, let
them unroll the order of their
bishops, running down in
succession from the beginning, so
that their first bishop shall have
for author and predecessor some
one of the Apostles or of the
apostolic men who continued
steadfast with the Apostles. For
this is the way in which the
apostolic Churches transmit their
lists: like the Church of the
Smyrnaeans, which records that
Polycarp was placed there by John;
like the Church of the Romans
where Clement was ordained by
Peter. In just this same way the
other Churches display those
whom they have as sprouts from
the apostolic seed, having been
established in the episcopate by
the Apostles. Let the heretics
invent something like it. After their
blasphemies, what could be
unlawful for them? But even if
they should contrive it, they will
accomplish nothing; for their
doctrine itself, when compared
with that of the Apostles, will
show by its own diversity and
contrariety that it has for its
author neither an Apostle nor an
apostolic man.

brocab:
Not priest only bishops were married..
Only guessing without evidence you have no idea if Pope Peters wife died before he became Pope..

my dear priest too were married.

Peter mother in law is recorded in scriptures don't you find it interesting his wife was nowhere to be found. Even so all the earlier Christian who wrote on St peter do not mention his wife either.

Quote> the Earlier Christians that wrote about Peter did not mention about Peter's wife, the reason why they didn't mention her was because the earlier Christians wrote about a Peter, not the disciple Peter who was married. Two different Peters?

Name the priest who were married and I will search the scriptures.

When looking into the scriptures we didn't hear much about the women back in those days, but many women were there-looking from a distance they followed Jesus from Galilee all had provided for Him, the ones we hear off, were Mary the mother of James and Joseph and Mary Magdalene and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.
And in those days women were to keep quite, but it didn't mean they weren't there.

In the Jewish temple the Synagogues, women were to sit opposite the men while reading the Torah, even after the Christians arrived, the old customs Messianic Judaism were finding it hard to accept Jesus and His followers, and the women continualed to stay quite amongst them.

It was Mary the mother of Jesus who was mention, with Mary Magdalene more then the others, even after Jesus had risen.
I suppose the disciples wife's weren't mentioned, maybe because of the old Jewish customs, and if the women stood up, it would have been blaspheme.
1 Corinthians 11:3 Christ had written He is the head of man and man is the head of women.

And It's the Catholic's who have risen up Mary the mother of Jesus, up on a petter-stool. Not the born again Christians, It was Jesus who had risen, no mention of Mary raising.

Ubenedictus:


my dear priest too were married.

Peter mother in law is recorded in scriptures don't you find it interesting his wife was nowhere to be found. Even so all the earlier Christian who wrote on St peter do not mention his wife either.

You say it Nonsense, can you prove it other wise.
The Quoter was only looking out to help save his brothers and sisters in Christ, showing you evidence as found, more then you can show the Quoter evidence on the found information is wrong.

Make it interesting and prove to us the Pope isn't in Hell...

kolajamesjnr:

Nonsense, full of sh*t

brocab:
You say it Nonsense, can you prove it other wise.
The Quoter was only looking out to help save his brothers and sisters in Christ, showing you evidence as found, more then you can show the Quoter evidence on the found information is wrong.

Make it interesting and prove to us the Pope isn't in Hell...

Read this https://www.nairaland.com/2352116/saw-jesus

Ewu....

brocab:
Stick around, its a born again verses the Catholic's