tobtap:

8000bc ke? and yet there are less than 2 million efiks... despite there acclaimed BEDMATICS skills . it should be like 800AD not 8000BC

Available evidence indicates that the original
homeland of Ibibio is at Usak Edet (Isangele) in the Cameroon. According to Ford and Jones, the Ibibio settlement of Isangele now forms a small tribe in the Kumba Division of Cameroon. Upon leaving the Cameroon territory, the Ibibio arrived at their present location following two major directions.Probably about 8000 BC one group reached Nigeria by an overland route and settled at Ibom (Arochuku) there they erected the famous shrine now known as the Long Juju of Arochuku. From Ibom some of the Ibibio people spread to Abak, Uyo, Ikot Ekpene, and other areas of what is known as the mainland of Cross River State.

https://closingdebateonafrica./2013/02/09/origin-and-early-history-of-the-ibibio-people-of-nigeria/

google is your fiend Bro

Must u show resentment to people's comment,anyhow,if they are not involved in rituals CANNIBALISM is commom there.

OP, I'll like to categorically refute your claim that the Efik people were the earliest Nigerians to embrace Western Education & secondly,your claim that Hope Waddell Training Institute,Calabar is the oldest secondary institution in Nigeria.

That is so far from the truth. These are the historical facts:

Below are the first five secondary schools in Nigeria & the year they were established:

1. CMS Grammar School Bariga, Lagos. Year 1859.
2. Methodist Boys High School Lagos. Year 1878.
3. Methodist Girls High School. Lagos. Year 1879
4. Baptist Academy, Obanikoro,Lagos. Year. 1885.
5. Hope Waddell Institute , Calabar. Year. 1905

In light of the above, few facts could be deduced:

1. Hope Waddell Institute is the FIFTH oldest high school in Nigeria & NOT the FIRST.
2. Hope Waddell Institute is the first high school east of River Niger( present day South South / South East).
3. If Lagos had its first secondary school in 1859, it is reasonable & factually correct to affirm that the Lagosians of that era were the first to actually embrace Western Education.
3. The Efik people of Calabar did not have their opportunity until 46 years later. (1859--1905)=46.

My Intention is just to offer a constructive criticism & also to inform everyone here & nothing else. I hope you & others see it likewise.

The Bible should not be used as a reference point - the date and origins of the Bible is itself not certain.


DATES OF PRINCIPAL RELIGIOUS WRITINGS

Religious Writings Approximate Year of Completion

Pentateuch (Bible) 1473 B.C.E.

Veda (Hinduism) 900 B.C.E.

Tao Te Ching (Taoism) 510 B.C.E.

The Analects (Confucianism) 480 B.C.E.

Hebrew Scriptures completed (Bible) 443 B.C.E.

Three Baskets (Buddhism) 1st century B.C.E.

Whole Bible completed 98 C.E.

Koran (Islam) 650 C.E.

Kojiki and Nihon shoki (Shinto) 720 C.E.

The Bible reaches further back into man’s history than any other ancient religious writings

mmsen:


Which other 'Christian writings'?

The Bible should not be used as a reference point - the date and origins of the Bible is itself not certain.

DATES OF PRINCIPAL RELIGIOUS WRITINGS

Religious Writings Approximate Year of Completion

Pentateuch (Bible) 1473 B.C.E.

Veda (Hinduism) 900 B.C.E.

Tao Te Ching (Taoism) 510 B.C.E.

The Analects (Confucianism) 480 B.C.E.

Hebrew Scriptures completed (Bible) 443 B.C.E.

Three Baskets (Buddhism) 1st century B.C.E.

Whole Bible completed 98 C.E.

Koran (Islam) 650 C.E.

Kojiki and Nihon shoki (Shinto) 720 C.E.

The Bible reaches further back into man’s history than any other ancient religious writings

lepasharon:
7) The Men are short

With strong strong muscle

TheSonOfMark:


Ikpa, Ibibio ke afo wed ado idogo Efuk. There are differences in their semantics and pronunciations.

I think "Ndiongoke" is the only Ibibio he wrote, which should have been mfiokke

mmsen:


Just curious, what is the difference between Annang and Ibibio?

The language sounds similar, the customs are similar so where is the difference?

Here are the differences between Efik, Annang & Ibibio

Re: Mixed Tribes by ibibiogrl: 1 year & 8 months
Aloy.Emeka:

No difference. Efiks and ibibios are the same. Both understand each others dialect, same language, similar culture and very tiny differences. Even the neighboring igbo don't know the difference. Efiks and ibibios are the least violent specie of Nigerians.

There are many differences between Efik and Ibibio, difference in dressing Efik wear a gown and Elaborate hair dress etc. Ibibio tie 2 wrappers with a blouse, like most south easterners but without coral beads. Also difference in marriage traditions, Efiks coach the bride to be in fattening rooms and there are ceremonies before the actual marriage, ibibios don't. Efik traditions is Rule by Ekpe secret society, Ibibio don't have Ekpe, different traditional gods and different greetings. There are many other differences, the only similarity between Efik and Ibibio is the food and language; although most young Ibibios growing up in Akwa Ibom will only understand a little Efik in the future, since Efik language isn't used in Akwa Ibom.
The most similar ethnic group in Akwa Ibom to Efik is Oron. Please refer to this websites for pictures;
Efik http://esopefik.tripod.com/efiktradition.html and Efik http://www.namywedding.com/dream-weddings/22,
Ibibio http://ekaandtommy.com/8/5-TRUE-5.htm & Ibibio https://www.nairaland.com/478074/post-pictures-traditional-weddings/16

Just as Efik and Ibibio differs Annang also has same differences, but Ananng dress more like the ibibios.
READ more Here https://www.nairaland.com/609355/whats-major-differance-between-igbo

gsparks01:
are there no Efik speaking ppl in Akwa Ibom??

No There are none, but there are Efik 2nd speakers like Oron who are a sub-group of Efik & share cultures with Efik. Also Uruan who are Ibibios but share some history with Efik & pratice some Efik cultures.

Wefiak1414:
am proud of the efik, mean while what will happen to ORO people that migrated out from efik. Cos Akwa Ibom they are cheating them badly. Should they go to where they came from.

I have always felt they shouldn't have been separated but I heard it was due to the river dividing Oron more to Akwa Ibom. I think they should try to become a part of Cross River or an island of Cross River State atleast

Osc:
some Research baffles me. The Ibibios and Annangs that have similar Language with Efiks where are they from?

Speaking similar languages does not mean we have the same Origin, as Efik & Annangs may have spoken a completely different language b4migrating down to the Ibibio area and picking up or being influenced by the language of Ibibio but still maintaining some parts of their original language as some words in the 3 languages don't have any relationship atall. Also the 3 languages are as similar as French, Spanish & Italian. The Origins and differences between the 3 groups have already been discussed Here;
https://www.nairaland.com/609355/whats-major-differance-between-igbo

mmsen:


They're all the same people, just separated by water over time.

No one has been able to explain to me how the Annangs are different from the others. At best it appears to be a dialect, it most certainly is not a different language.

They Are Not The Same! If you had research here on Nairaland, you would have seen that your questions was answered already 4yrs ago.

baybeeboi:




Available evidence indicates that the original
homeland of Ibibio is at Usak Edet (Isangele) in the Cameroon. According to Ford and Jones, the Ibibio settlement of Isangele now forms a small tribe in the Kumba Division of Cameroon. Upon leaving the Cameroon territory, the Ibibio arrived at their present location following two major directions.Probably about 8000 BC one group reached Nigeria by an overland route and settled at Ibom (Arochuku) there they erected the famous shrine now known as the Long Juju of Arochuku. From Ibom some of the Ibibio people spread to Abak, Uyo, Ikot Ekpene, and other areas of what is known as the mainland of Cross River State.

https://closingdebateonafrica./2013/02/09/origin-and-early-history-of-the-ibibio-people-of-nigeria/

google is your fiend Bro

That is A Bogus Research & is Wrong Usak Edet has nothing to do with Ibibio but everything to do with Efik. Also the Origins and differences of Ibibio, Annang & Efik was already discussed here on Nairaland. READ more Here https://www.nairaland.com/609355/whats-major-differance-between-igbo

ibibiogrl:

They Are Not The Same! If you had research here on Nairaland, you would have seen that your questions was answered already 4yrs ago.

Because the people wear their clothes slightly differently and they pronounce a few words differently, that makes them a different ethnic group?

That is the most asinine reason ever.

German has many dialects and different modes of dress.

Likewise Italian.

British English has various different accents/dialects.

No one is calling them different languages or representing different ethnic groups.

I'm not sure what people like you think will be gained by constantly subdividing people, especially on such spurious grounds.

mmsen:


Because the people wear their clothes slightly differently and they pronounce a few words differently, that makes them a different ethnic group?

That is the most asinine reason ever.

German has many dialects and different modes of dress.

Likewise Italian.

British English has various different accents/dialects.

No one is calling them different languages or representing different ethnic groups.

I'm not sure what people like think will be gained by constantly subdividing people because of the most pathetic of reason.s

It's because people like you were the ones calling them Calabar people, which is why you didn't know that they were never the same but always different. I gave you several links that explained the differences in details but you Refused to READ. U were complaining that"
No one has been able to explain to me how the Annangs are different from the others" yet I gave you the links to the differences since mine was a summary, but you are still complaining. I also gave you a link to a thread here that explained the differences in details, but again you refused to READ Are you that LAZY? I don't have time now to copy the detail differences from those links to paste here. So I will use your example to explain it back in you.

Annangs, Ibibio's & Efiks are just like Britain's English and German whose languages are similar but cultures DIFFERENT. They are just like if the English moved to live in Germany land or vice versa & their languages became similar overtime(as similar as German is to English) but they each still Maintained & Practice their original traditions including dressing as you noted & call themselves by their original name. But because they live close together and their language sounds similar to you. You feel that they were the same people who split from each other But they are not! As German & English are not the same, despite speaking a similar language, so Annang Efik & Ibibio are just like German & English

ibibiogrl:

It's because people like you were the ones calling them Calabar people, which is why you didn't know that they were never the same but always different. I gave you several links that explained the differences in details but you Refused to READ. U were complaining that"
No one has been able to explain to me how the Annangs are different from the others" yet I gave you the links to the differences since mine was a summary, but you are still complaining. I also gave you a link to a thread here that explained the differences in details, but again you refused to READ Are you that LAZY? I don't have time now to copy the detail differences from those links to paste here. So I will use your example to explain it back in you.

Annangs, Ibibio's & Efiks are just like Britain's English and German whose languages are similar but cultures DIFFERENT. They are just like if the English moved to live in Germany land or vice versa & their languages became similar overtime(as similar as German is to English) but they each still Maintained & Practice their original traditions including dressing as you noted & call themselves by their original name. But because they live close together and their language sounds similar to you. You feel that they were the same people who split from each other But they are not! As German & English are not the same, despite speaking a similar language, so Annang Efik & Ibibio are just like German & English

I've read your links - it just looks like someone scratching around trying to establish some form of superiority or separatism than showing any genuine differences.

English is a hybrid language with elements from German but also other languages, such as French and Latin because those are the people who have dominated political life in England over the centuries.

The difference between Anang and Ibibio is much less than that. Native English speakers do not understand French, Latin or German, unless they have been taught the language - this is not the case with Anang and Ibibio.

I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by further dividing Nigerian peoples into smaller factions - it seems like an odd quest with no benefit for anyone. When did the term 'Anang' come to mean a separate group or language? Who was it that created the term and for what purpose?

=mmsen

English is a hybrid language with elements from German but also other languages, such as French and Latin because those are the people who have dominated political life in England over the centuries.

The difference between Anang and Ibibio is much less than that. Native English speakers do not understand French, Latin or German, unless they have been taught the language - this is not the case with Anang and Ibibio.

I guess I have to do this since you Refuse to Read Am going to quote from the Nairaland thread whose link I posted.
Do you Speak Annang or any of the 3 languages? Am assuming U don't, because Annang is also a Hybrid language with elements of Ibibio & Efik & something else; same as you understood & wrote about English & German. Native speakers of Ibibio & Efik May only understand the basic part of Annang that is similar to either of those languages, just like Native speaker of English would understand parts of German language that is similar to English & vice versa Example quoting from the Thread which was open by an Annang guy who wanted to know the differences.

pleep:


But I want to ask you what specific differences do the annang and ibibio have. Like words that don't have the same root or cultural practices that are very different?

ibibiogrl:

Traditionally Annang have their own beliefs like dance/instrument(blowing the elephant horn and dance shaking their waste standing upright), masquerades and gods which is different and separate from Ibibio ones(Ibibio dance shaking their waste and buttocks mending waste downwards). Annang traditions has to do more with juju practice, also their juju is said to be 1 of the most if not the most powerful in Nigeria, that's 1 reason Ibibios don't mess with Annangs spiritualy. 2nd & most popular reason is cannibalism. Which is why others like Ibibios dont want to step foot in an Annang area. The cannibalism fear was worst during and after the colonial period. Annang and Ibibio were never truly one, your parent will know more about typical Annang traditions.

But having lived in Abak & Calabar for a while I can tell you the differences in language.
Words could be similar like English: I cannot, Annang: Nkarake, Ibibio: Nkanna, Efik :Nkemeke.
Words can also be totaly different like English:feces, Annang:Ahfeed, Ibibio:Uduang, Efik:IfVO.

Example of sentences- English:-1) My house is were we all are/We're all in my house. 2) This is my house
Annang:-1) Ilung Ida ke afide ajid itie. 2)Ilung ida ade ami
Ibibio: 1) Ufok mmi ke afit nyin iba. 2) Ufok mmi ado mi
Efik:-1) Ebiet Idung mmi ke kpukpru nyin idu. 2) Ebiet idung mmi edi emi.

Most Ibibios & Efiks Do Not Understand Annang escept the have lived in the Annang region, but yet still language is the most similar aspect of the 3 Groups as their traditions is Completely different.

ibibiogrl:
Comparism to Spanish, French and Italian in greeting How are You?

Annang: Atie die? (Pronuced as) Atie lie? Ibibio: Aba die? Efik: Etie didie? (die pronounce as Dear)

Spanish: Cómo estás? French: Comment ça va? Italian : Come sta ? (why are they not 1?)

So now you can see that Ibibio, Annang and Efik in language are just like French, Spanish and Italian.

mmsen:


I've read your links - it just looks like someone scratching around trying to establish some form of superiority or separatism than showing any genuine differences.

I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by further dividing Nigerian peoples into smaller factions - it seems like an odd quest with no benefit for anyone. When did the term 'Anang' come to mean a separate group or language? Who was it that created the term and for what purpose?

WHAT YOU HAVE REFUSED TO ACCEPT is that the 3 groups have always been separate before the colonial period & each group sees itself as Superior above the other, infact it was because of 1 group trying to dorminate the other that led to the Creation of Akwa Ibom & how Efik(check the meaning of Efik) got their official name, also Annang have been Campaigning for a state of their own since the creation of Akwa Ibom.

pleep: exactly! It's beyond silly. You may remember the recent conflict in akwa ibom between ibibios and annangs. We were killing each other over silly rat politicians and the ibbios said they would vote for their guy even in prison. And don't even get me started on the oron, who think they are some lost tribe from fvcking eygpt.

You need to read more about Efik, Annang and Ibibio, because these groups have always been separate from the begining. Ironicaly you mocked Oron from coming from Egypt, when Annang claim to have migrated from Egypt and stayed in Ghana, (which is how the got their name) before migrating down to their current land, also why Annang want to name their state Itai. Efik and Oron migrated down from Cameron.

Efiks really came from Cameroon because even in Cross River state Efiks share ancient cultures & tradition with Ejaghams, another ethnic group in Cross River state; whose land stretches from Cameroon to Cross River, so they located both in Nigeria and Cameroon.
If they were separated from each other & were all Nigerian groups as U claim Why are their traditional practices & beliefs so different? Why is Ekpe Alien to Ibibio & Annangs? Efiks have their own traditional gods & mermaid spirit, which is alien to Ibibio & Annangs. Annangs have their own taboo & traditional gods which are alien to Ibibios & Efiks. If they were from the same origin ancient traditional practices & beliefs would still remain the same, other groups in Nigeria who claim to be different still practice the same or similar tradition.
EXAMPLE OF DIFFERENCES IN DANCE CULTURE

ezeagu
Is this Ibibio or Annang?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWVRqEcpvXk

Will you be surprised if I find Annang people accusing Ibibio people of cannibalism?

That is Annang, if it was filmed abroad, then there might be Ibibio youths joining in the Dance but the dance is traditionaly Annang dance called Utah.

This is Efik dance Ekombi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rynsh2CaqAk&feature=related

Better view of Ibibio dance here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQdZUsrdGw0&t=120s

Annang cannot accused Ibibio of being cannibals because cannibalism was an ancient Annang tradition.

You Were talking about Superiority? Here is a Quote from a Typical Annang Guy

ocelot2006:


Wow..hold it right there. Cannibalism in Annang land?! Absolute rubbish!! The only reason you Ibibios are scared of Annangs is not because we're cannibals, but because we're a no-nonsense tribe that will easily draw our matchets from their respective goat-skin sheaths and use them on anyone that offends us, ibibios included.

And your point about us being too fetish is kinda funny, 'cos we Annangs thought it was the other way round.

ibibiogrl:


I guess I have to do this since you Refuse to Read Am going to quote from the Nairaland thread whose link I posted.
Do you Speak Annang or any of the 3 languages? Am assuming U don't, because Annang is also a Hybrid language with elements of Ibibio & Efik & something else; same as you understood & wrote about English & German. Native speakers of Ibibio & Efik May only understand the basic part of Annang that is similar to either of those languages, just like Native speaker of English would understand parts of German language that is similar to English & vice versa Example quoting from the Thread which was open by an Annang guy who wanted to know the differences.




Most Ibibios & Efiks Do Not Understand Annang escept the have lived in the Annang region, but yet still language is the most similar aspect of the 3 Groups as their traditions is Completely different.

I didn't mention Efiks.

Nonetheless I find the whole thing quite stupid and unfortunate - a true sign that some people do not understand how unhelpful these petty divisions are, and they are very petty. The differences in the language between Annang and Ibibio is what happens with any language when there is no written form, it becomes distorted over distance - that is still not enough for it be anything other than a dialect.

My overriding point is this - these petty squabbles are something that should be seen as an embarrassment, not something noble to be defended. The differences are accentuated so as to call for new states and the greater division of the nation - not for anyone's long term benefit. We should be trying to do away with as many of these peculiar barriers as we can, not support them - what good have they done anyone in Nigeria?

mmsen:


I didn't mention Efiks.

Nonetheless I find the whole thing quite stupid and unfortunate - a true sign that some people do not understand how unhelpful these petty divisions are, and they are very petty. The differences in the language between Annang and Ibibio is what happens with any language when there is no written form, it becomes distorted over distance - that is still not enough for it be anything other than a dialect.

My overriding point is this - these petty squabbles are something that should be seen as an embarrassment, not something noble to be defended. The differences are accentuated so as to call for new states and the greater division of the nation - not for anyone's long term benefit. We should be trying to do away with as many of these peculiar barriers as we can, not support them - what good have they done anyone in Nigeria?

Again Do You Speak Annang?? I know you don't speak it & I have given you the examples in sentences and words yet you're still arguing that the differences are minor Besides I wrote & explained that the differences was not the language but the culture. We have never been the same or practice the same tradition as Annang. Infact the creation of Akwa Ibom state forced us Ibibios to live & integrate more with Annangs.

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Sowell25:


Ibibiogirl,what is so special about your primitive,slavish and inferior Ibibio that you are proud of? is it because thief Akpabio a non Ibibio ,has used Oron's wealth to give uyo a little facelift? is that why you are now "proudly Ibibio"? you know what they say "You can take a slave out of the cage,but you can't take the cage out of the slave" . the ibibios are some of the most ignorant and primitive people . You better be careful when you open your dirty mouth talking About the Great Akpakib Oro Nation(most Oronians regard ibibios as inferior) . Oronians are superior to all their neighbors in everything,Intelligence,Beauty,sex,strenght,pride) .is it any wonder that they are the only ones among their neighbors who refer to themselves as a nation . Oron which is strategically located with a natural deep seabead habour at JamesTown AKA Ibaka ,generates 55percent of homes in Ewet Housing are owned by Igbos and Oronians .Most businesses and companies in uyo are owned by Oronians. I know numerous Oronians renting to Ibibios ) Almost all my relatives in calabar,uyo,lagos,abuja,own majority ibibio and few annang slaves(house boy/girl). Efik and Oron are more refined in nature,cultural and behavioral pattern.
Oron is not a subgroup of Efik whose landmass is just a quater of Oron's Parrot Island,and whose population is not up to Half Oron's population. the only reason Oron shares some cultures with efik is due to the fact that they both have been friendly neighbors and Allies since the ancient times. Efik or calabar is simply just more popular because of it's former status as a colonial capital. Oron and efik have a natural Affinity.

Spoken Like a True Ignorant Mad Slave What are U smoking U better tell someone Smart & educated to READ what I wrote to U. There I was sympathizing with an intelligent Oro about their never holding a reasonable post in Akwa Ibom agreeing that Oron should've never been separated from their Kin in Cross River State & yet U are uttering pure gibberish Not even in your dreams would U own or sell anything to Ibibios. I would not respond anymore to your mad Rants!

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I don't know why Akwa Ibom people cannot live like brothers and sisters. Ibibios are the most hospitable and enterprising tribe in Akwa-Cross region. I don't know why all these hatred against Ibibios.

I wonder how educated we are in this country. When one sees a presumably educated person vomiting insults in an issue of divergent views, one unassumably feels terribly bad. What is the essence of our education?

In pristine intellectual culture, when one holds different views to a write-up under discourse, others scholarlistically come out with a robust argument that is reasonably superior to the previous one, not insulting the collective sensibilities and intelligence of others. If an educated elite indulges himself in this show
of shame, we are left with no choice than to refer to him or her as a 'functional educated illiterate.

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The Ibibio speak dialects of Efik-Ibibio, a language of the Kwa Branch of the Niger-Congo Family. Being the best-known dialect,
Efik has been established as the literary language, and is understood by most educated Ibibio. Because of its remarkable assimilative power, Efik spread throughout the Cross River area and even into the Cameroons.


The most basic difference among the many dialects of Ibibio is in the vocabulary. To a lesser extent, the sound system, tone, and grammar can be distinguished. Comparative studies have shown considerable similarity between the Efik and the Ibibio proper, Oron, Eket, Anang, and Ibeno dialects.

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aim5:


Yup especially the Efiks and Ijaws. You can see it in their liberal culture and abundance of English surnames.

This is quite tragic shaa
The English surnames that is...
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They are known for their delicious dishes and culinary skills.