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patches689:
Kc-390 a sh1t
Untested, high maintenance (turbine v turbo prop) and (if my memory is correct) offers no real advantage over the C-130J

I recon that the medium lift order will be at least enough to replace the current C-130 fleet - so 9 at a minimum

ssaengine:
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-38362/

Article probably already posted here...just a recap


"SAAF probably looking at C-130 or KC-390 for medium airlift

While not cast in stone, it appears the airborne arm of the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) has its eyes on two possible types to replace its ageing C-130BZ fleet.

In the Estimates of National Expenditure (ENE) for the 2015/16 financial year National Treasury indicates "the department (of defence) will be acquiring equipment and developing systems to maintain a modern, balanced and technologically advanced force. It has budgeted for medium and light transport aircraft, a new generation mobile communication capability and precision guided air force ammunition for air defence. These acquisitions are reflected in spending in the Air Defence programme in 2016/17 and 2017/18".


- I don't know why I'm visualizing 3 × KC-390, 2 x C-130J and 2 x C-27J.
-new generation mobile comms capability? Who knows. Maybe the radio upgrade by Reutech Radar.
-precision guided munition for air defence....A Darter, maybe something else as well.

ssaengine:
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-38362/

Article probably already posted here...just a recap


"SAAF probably looking at C-130 or KC-390 for medium airlift

While not cast in stone, it appears the airborne arm of the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) has its eyes on two possible types to replace its ageing C-130BZ fleet.

In the Estimates of National Expenditure (ENE) for the 2015/16 financial year National Treasury indicates "the department (of defence) will be acquiring equipment and developing systems to maintain a modern, balanced and technologically advanced force. It has budgeted for medium and light transport aircraft, a new generation mobile communication capability and precision guided air force ammunition for air defence. These acquisitions are reflected in spending in the Air Defence programme in 2016/17 and 2017/18".


- I don't know why I'm visualizing 3 × KC-390, 2 x C-130J and 2 x C-27J.
-new generation mobile comms capability? Who knows. Maybe the radio upgrade by Reutech Radar.
-precision guided munition for air defence....A Darter, maybe something else as well.

Henry120:
The KC-390 is a new airlift and although i trust embrear, military air-lift is new territory for them. Until proven and adopted by the brazilian air force, i don't see potential foreign buyers looking in that direction. The AN-132 and AN-188 look way more promising than the KC-390.

You mix of transport planes is also absurd. The A-400m and C-130j are the most likely replacement for SAAF's ageing fleet.

Henry120:
You should probably stop skipping your meds. Zuma has spent the money meant for SAAF transports on his own largesse. This has been widely discussed.

agaugust:
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South African Army Disgraced Many Times In Action :

(New Confession By @Patches )


+ South African soldiers guarding a satellite police station were reportedly overwhelmed and robbed of their weapons and radios in 2006

+ South African troops escorting an AU convoy carrying diesel fuel were ambushed and the tankers stolen in 2006

+ Four South African soldiers were kidnapped in an ambush in April 2011

+ Two SANDF soldiers were critically injured outside Kutum while guarding a well in October 2014

+ Thirty SANDF soldiers were ambushed and robbed of rifles, bullet-proof vests and three vehicles in February 2014


http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/06/18/Sitting-ducks-in-Sudan

The above source was provided by @Patches yesterday as he tried in vain to find an excuse for the trembling and shaking of 800 SANDF troops when they saw 500 Sudanese troops driving around in ordinary Toyota pick ups.

Bwahahaaha

So the for the past 8 years SANDF troops have been daily humiliated in Sudan by gangs of hoodlums, robbed of weapons, kidnapped during patrol duties, escort duties, ambushed and robbed, dispossessed of fuel, valuable personal items, military equipment, kicked around in broad daylight.

So much for the 'famous' training and training and training of SANDF, super training of super cowards .

Yet we see South Africans laughing at Nigerian army fighting Boko Haram while their own army is lucky to be in a war zone where world media has not been focusing attention, the SANDF was getting beaten up like women by thieves and robbers ! Yeeeeeeeeeeh

My sides

In orbit, my sides, this is hilarious o !

Let one South African insult Nigerian army again and I will repeat this post plus the one of Burundi where SANDF had their armouries and bases looted by thieves who drove away MRAPs and mortar artillery, with grenade launchers, RPG, machine guns etc. !


LOL.....South African army will run away to Botswana if Boko Haram appears with just 500 men in Toyotas !

No wonder SANDF trembles in Sudan when the thin legged black Arabs drove Toyota outside their bases enroute a Ramadan patrol !

Why don't your Southie soldiers show courage like Col. Eben Barlow? We thought the whole SANDF is like Col. Eben

Chicken Republic of South Africa....shaking quaking army of born cowards

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MikeCZAR:
The SAAF "medium and light" transport aircraft.

Example: A400M and the C-27.

The A400M will support missions in Africa.

While lighter aircraft supports missions within the countries.

Another need is for long range maritime patrol.

Henry120:
What about the charter companies?

agaugust:
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South African Army Disgraced Many Times In Action :

(New Confession By @Patches )


+ South African soldiers guarding a satellite police station were reportedly overwhelmed and robbed of their weapons and radios in 2006

+ South African troops escorting an AU convoy carrying diesel fuel were ambushed and the tankers stolen in 2006

+ Four South African soldiers were kidnapped in an ambush in April 2011

+ Two SANDF soldiers were critically injured outside Kutum while guarding a well in October 2014

+ Thirty SANDF soldiers were ambushed and robbed of rifles, bullet-proof vests and three vehicles in February 2014


http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/06/18/Sitting-ducks-in-Sudan

The above source was provided by @Patches yesterday as he tried in vain to find an excuse for the trembling and shaking of 800 SANDF troops when they saw 500 Sudanese troops driving around in ordinary Toyota pick ups.

Bwahahaaha

So the for the past 8 years SANDF troops have been daily humiliated in Sudan by gangs of hoodlums, robbed of weapons, kidnapped during patrol duties, escort duties, ambushed and robbed, dispossessed of fuel, valuable personal items, military equipment, kicked around in broad daylight.

So much for the 'famous' training and training and training of SANDF, super training of super cowards .

Yet we see South Africans laughing at Nigerian army fighting Boko Haram while their own army is lucky to be in a war zone where world media has not been focusing attention, the SANDF was getting beaten up like women by thieves and robbers ! Yeeeeeeeeeeh

My sides

In orbit, my sides, this is hilarious o !

Let one South African insult Nigerian army again and I will repeat this post plus the one of Burundi where SANDF had their armouries and bases looted by thieves who drove away MRAPs and mortar artillery, with grenade launchers, RPG, machine guns etc. !


LOL.....South African army will run away to Botswana if Boko Haram appears with just 500 men in Toyotas !

No wonder SANDF trembles in Sudan when the thin legged black Arabs drove Toyota outside their bases enroute a Ramadan patrol !

Why don't your Southie soldiers show courage like Col. Eben Barlow? We thought the whole SANDF is like Col. Eben

Chicken Republic of South Africa....shaking quaking army of born cowards

.[/size]

MikeCZAR:
The SAAF "medium and light" transport aircraft.

Example: A400M and the C-27.

The A400M will support missions in Africa.

While lighter aircraft supports missions within the countries.

Another need is for long range maritime patrol.

MikeCZAR:
The SAAF "medium and light" transport aircraft.

Example: A400M and the C-27.

The A400M will support missions in Africa.

While lighter aircraft supports missions within the countries.

Another need is for long range maritime patrol.

Henry120:
We'll have to wait till 2020 to see what the SAAF has actually ordered.

FighterPilot:
I guess that's because we buy brand new from the box and we will have to wait for production. Unlike Nigeria which always have to opt for second hand me down materials. Second hand goods are always readily available in the market and are meant for unfortunate countries like Nigeria.

agaugust:
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[s]South African Army Disgraced Many Times In Action :

(New Confession By @Patches )


+ South African soldiers guarding a satellite police station were reportedly overwhelmed and robbed of their weapons and radios in 2006

+ South African troops escorting an AU convoy carrying diesel fuel were ambushed and the tankers stolen in 2006

+ Four South African soldiers were kidnapped in an ambush in April 2011

+ Two SANDF soldiers were critically injured outside Kutum while guarding a well in October 2014

+ Thirty SANDF soldiers were ambushed and robbed of rifles, bullet-proof vests and three vehicles in February 2014


http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2015/06/18/Sitting-ducks-in-Sudan

The above source was provided by @Patches yesterday as he tried in vain to find an excuse for the trembling and shaking of 800 SANDF troops when they saw 500 Sudanese troops driving around in ordinary Toyota pick ups.

Bwahahaaha

So the for the past 8 years SANDF troops have been daily humiliated in Sudan by gangs of hoodlums, robbed of weapons, kidnapped during patrol duties, escort duties, ambushed and robbed, dispossessed of fuel, valuable personal items, military equipment, kicked around in broad daylight.

So much for the 'famous' training and training and training of SANDF, super training of super cowards .

Yet we see South Africans laughing at Nigerian army fighting Boko Haram while their own army is lucky to be in a war zone where world media has not been focusing attention, the SANDF was getting beaten up like women by thieves and robbers ! Yeeeeeeeeeeh

My sides

In orbit, my sides, this is hilarious o !

Let one South African insult Nigerian army again and I will repeat this post plus the one of Burundi where SANDF had their armouries and bases looted by thieves who drove away MRAPs and mortar artillery, with grenade launchers, RPG, machine guns etc. !


LOL.....South African army will run away to Botswana if Boko Haram appears with just 500 men in Toyotas !

No wonder SANDF trembles in Sudan when the thin legged black Arabs drove Toyota outside their bases enroute a Ramadan patrol !

Why don't your Southie soldiers show courage like Col. Eben Barlow? We thought the whole SANDF is like Col. Eben

Chicken Republic of South Africa....shaking quaking army of born cowards[/s]

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Henry120:
[s]You should probably stop skipping your meds. Zuma has spent the money meant for SAAF transports on his own largesse. This has been widely discussed.[/s]

Henry120:
Just like your second hand C-130s.

Henry120:
We'll have to wait till 2020 to see what the SAAF has actually ordered.

patches689:
Read the story

Budgeted for this year means aquisition starts next year

Henry120:
I won't advise you to hold your breath, we are probably in for another Project Biro ride.

MikeCZAR:
The FIB in the DRC is the only UN peacekeeping allowed to after militias.

The SANDF troops in Sudan are under the UN and follow orders of the force commander in that country.

patches689:
Read the story

Budgeted for this year means aquisition starts next year

patches689:
Blah blah blah

Project Biro was shelved for the majority of the time that you claim it was active.

The need for Project Biro was identified a long time ago yes, but more important needs were identified which took precendance

Henry120:
Zuma has already spent the money meant for Transport planes.

Anyway, why do I care, SAAF still lags behind NAF in that category.

Henry120:
Project biro was also budgeted for 23years ago.

agaugust:
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[s]All UN Peacekeepers allowed to fight in self-defence.

United Nations law of peace keeping :

http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/operations/principles.shtml

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Nigerian troops were suddenly attacked in the dark black night without warning in same Sudan, the Naija Ninjas fought back like warriors using the UN law of self defence, refused to surrender, they were heavily out-numbered and had only AK-47 rifles and a few other light arms, no armoured combat vehicles, no heavy equipment, no air support, nobody waited for orders from UN, the law of right to self defence was applied by Nigerian troops.

The overwhelmed and out-numbered Nigerian platoon refused to surrender.

33 Nigerian soldiers bled and died.

About 100 Nigerian soldiers fought 1,000 Sudanese army backed militia that completely surrounded our base in October 2007.

http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article24084


South African army in Sudan with 800 troops, bigger than a battalion, has the right to defend itself against just 500 Sudanese troops, but chose to surrender if attacked, accepted defeat before the battle started, trembled and shook like jelly fish because they saw Sudanese Toyota Hiluxes, carrying men on patrol for Ramadan....COWARDS....SANDF....COWARDS OF AFRICA !

LOL....yet you criticize Nigerian army in Boko Haram war, at least we fight before we retreat, Nigerian army NEVER surrendered !

SANDF decided to surrender if Sudanese skinny boys fire one bullet....COWARDS born in Soweto

If South African army fights a one year war today, all their 50,000 troops will surrender in batches of 800 soldiers per week !

PHOTO : NIGERIAN ARMY IN SUDAN...REAL FIGHTERS, REAL WARRIORS !.[/s]

Henry120:
Project biro was also budgeted for 23years ago.

FighterPilot:
Spent it on what? You seem to be running after headlines like a headless chicken.

Henry120:
It is okay to dream, in-fact it is for free. However, you are getting nothing.

patches689:
Yes, we know, because you say so

Clear in black and white: SAAF transports have been budgeted for in the future.

Clear in black and white: New VIP transports were budgeted for last year

You know that each financial years budget are separate right?

I know why you make these allegations, Nigeria makes do with refurbished death traps, while SAAF is planing on getting new advanced transports - it must hurt

Henry120:
Patrick where are the new SAAF Transport planes?

In 2013, you made same claim, same as 2014....... "abi the next year no dey reach?".

Henry120:
Uselessness of the SANDF, series continues.



[b]The South African National Defence Union (Sandu) says it is demoralising for soldiers to serve in the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) when senior officials are getting away with corruption and incompetence and are receiving political protection and appointments.

Pikkie Greeff, Sandu National Secretary, made the comments at a recent Transparency International Defence Anti-Corruption in South Africa Civil Society Workshop in Johannesburg.

Greeff gave several examples of corruption in the SANDF, such as a commander in Polokwane being moved from one post to another due to procurement irregularities at the base involving things like rations, where he would use his friends to buy items like milk at prices inflated by 50%. Instead of this person being prosecuted in a military court he was simply moved to another position due to political cover, Greeff said.

In another instance, Greeff said it was alleged that a military official in Port Elizabeth was calling up reserve members for a fee and an officer commanding a base in the North West province was placed under suspension after allegations of fraud and tender rigging because he himself pointed out procurement regularities in the South African Army.

Greeff said that an Air Force general has been suspended with full pay for nine years because of sexual misconduct allegations after criticising the 1998 arms deal. He said the general has exceptional expertise regarding avionics but is sitting at home not being utilised due to ulterior motives.

Other examples of corruption in the SANDF pointed out by Greeff include the South African Air Force leasing aircraft from a husband and wife owned company that did not own any aircraft, resulting in troops being stranded when there were problems with the aircraft chartered by these middlemen; and the awarding of contracts that do not go out to tender because they are under a certain amount.

Greeff said that not all corruption was financial – a lot of it was political, with officials being protected due to their political connections, and appointments being made based on political grounds and not merit. For example, a senior warrant officer who was on the receiving end of a rant which included shouting and spitting by the current Director: Force Preparation of the SA Army, Brigadier General Nontobeka Mpaxa, was recently awarded damages of R330 000 by court but has not been disciplined for misconduct. Greeff alleges the same general was caught for drunken driving in Kimberly but the docket disappeared from the court.

Another example of what Greeff calls high ranking cover due to previous political connections involves the crash of a C-47 Dakota in the Drakensberg in late 2012. He said the preliminary accident report shows that the pilots were forced to fly in poor weather even after they protested against it and that the officials who ordered the flight were not court martialled as they should have been.

A similar scenario occurred after the Battle of Bangui in the Central African Republic (CAR) when officials responsible for intelligence failures and leaders on the ground who ran away from the fight were not prosecuted.

The Guptagate saga was another example highlighted by Sandu, where blame was shifted to two middle ranking officers who were suspended and found guilty but had charges dropped “in the face of overwhelming evidence that Bruce Koloane misled the entire military into allowing the [Gupta] plane to land. If an ordinary person misled an entire defence force…he would probably be trialled for treason. This person got promoted to an ambassador’s position. This sends a message to soldiers on the ground and to middle ranking officers as well. Why go to the trouble of exposing corruption if you can somehow benefit from it if you know the right people. That’s the spirit that has taken hold of the defence force,” Greeff said.

He pointed out that none of the above examples have resulted in prosecutions or convictions, something made worse by the fact that the military courts have come to a grinding halt over the last three month because someone failed to sign the appointment of judges to the bench. Greeff said that in 2014 the military courts were held up for a month because of the same issue.

The Sandu secretary said that no-one is willing to put their careers on the line by blowing the whistle or even disobey senseless or illegal orders. He said a huge part of the problem is that political influence has taken over in the defence force with decisions taken on the basis of former political affiliation and that people with higher political rank override those with higher military rank in the SANDF. “It is very demoralising for a solider to serve in a defence force where these things are going on,” he said.

Greeff was of the opinion that probably the only thing that will solve these issues is time as personnel keep moving through ranks and the SANDF has already seen a huge exodus of politically affiliated appointees due to age and attrition.[/b]