₦airaland Forum

patches689:
This is the first time that the SAAF has specifically budgeted for their aquisition.

SAAF is not NAF - new aircraft need to be studied and assessed as to whether or not they intergrate with other platforms and our doctrine (you know that thing you dont have), this takes time.

Badger was in development since 2007 - contract was only signed last year

Henry120:
Uselessness of the SANDF, series continues.



[b]The South African National Defence Union (Sandu) says it is demoralising for soldiers to serve in the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) when senior officials are getting away with corruption and incompetence and are receiving political protection and appointments.

Pikkie Greeff, Sandu National Secretary, made the comments at a recent Transparency International Defence Anti-Corruption in South Africa Civil Society Workshop in Johannesburg.

Greeff gave several examples of corruption in the SANDF, such as a commander in Polokwane being moved from one post to another due to procurement irregularities at the base involving things like rations, where he would use his friends to buy items like milk at prices inflated by 50%. Instead of this person being prosecuted in a military court he was simply moved to another position due to political cover, Greeff said.

In another instance, Greeff said it was alleged that a military official in Port Elizabeth was calling up reserve members for a fee and an officer commanding a base in the North West province was placed under suspension after allegations of fraud and tender rigging because he himself pointed out procurement regularities in the South African Army.

Greeff said that an Air Force general has been suspended with full pay for nine years because of sexual misconduct allegations after criticising the 1998 arms deal. He said the general has exceptional expertise regarding avionics but is sitting at home not being utilised due to ulterior motives.

Other examples of corruption in the SANDF pointed out by Greeff include the South African Air Force leasing aircraft from a husband and wife owned company that did not own any aircraft, resulting in troops being stranded when there were problems with the aircraft chartered by these middlemen; and the awarding of contracts that do not go out to tender because they are under a certain amount.

Greeff said that not all corruption was financial – a lot of it was political, with officials being protected due to their political connections, and appointments being made based on political grounds and not merit. For example, a senior warrant officer who was on the receiving end of a rant which included shouting and spitting by the current Director: Force Preparation of the SA Army, Brigadier General Nontobeka Mpaxa, was recently awarded damages of R330 000 by court but has not been disciplined for misconduct. Greeff alleges the same general was caught for drunken driving in Kimberly but the docket disappeared from the court.

Another example of what Greeff calls high ranking cover due to previous political connections involves the crash of a C-47 Dakota in the Drakensberg in late 2012. He said the preliminary accident report shows that the pilots were forced to fly in poor weather even after they protested against it and that the officials who ordered the flight were not court martialled as they should have been.

A similar scenario occurred after the Battle of Bangui in the Central African Republic (CAR) when officials responsible for intelligence failures and leaders on the ground who ran away from the fight were not prosecuted.

The Guptagate saga was another example highlighted by Sandu, where blame was shifted to two middle ranking officers who were suspended and found guilty but had charges dropped “in the face of overwhelming evidence that Bruce Koloane misled the entire military into allowing the [Gupta] plane to land. If an ordinary person misled an entire defence force…he would probably be trialled for treason. This person got promoted to an ambassador’s position. This sends a message to soldiers on the ground and to middle ranking officers as well. Why go to the trouble of exposing corruption if you can somehow benefit from it if you know the right people. That’s the spirit that has taken hold of the defence force,” Greeff said.

He pointed out that none of the above examples have resulted in prosecutions or convictions, something made worse by the fact that the military courts have come to a grinding halt over the last three month because someone failed to sign the appointment of judges to the bench. Greeff said that in 2014 the military courts were held up for a month because of the same issue.

The Sandu secretary said that no-one is willing to put their careers on the line by blowing the whistle or even disobey senseless or illegal orders. He said a huge part of the problem is that political influence has taken over in the defence force with decisions taken on the basis of former political affiliation and that people with higher political rank override those with higher military rank in the SANDF. “It is very demoralising for a solider to serve in a defence force where these things are going on,” he said.

Greeff was of the opinion that probably the only thing that will solve these issues is time as personnel keep moving through ranks and the SANDF has already seen a huge exodus of politically affiliated appointees due to age and attrition.[/b]

Patchesagain:
[size=20pt]Nigerians point one finger at the SANDF and four of their own fingers point back at them!![/size]


However, much of that money has allegedly fuelled corruption or been siphoned off to enrich regional governments.

This has led to an under resourced military, short of guns and ammunition.
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/countingthecost/2015/03/corruption-blights-nigerian-army-fight-rebels-150320160800536.html


The failure of the state security agencies – the military, police, secret police – to confront this violence is sometimes attributed to incapacity. But many say deep corruption prevents the military from containing the insurgencies.

In 2010, the government awarded a $470m (£274m) contract for security across the capital. However, few of the hundreds of cameras installed function, yet the work was paid for and signed off.

In the huge military operation in the north east, where Boko Haram operates, which has been in place since a state of emergency was imposed in 2013, there are complaints by army members. These soldiers have often claimed that their budgeted allowance for dangerous field duties are shaved off by commanders, leaving them with less than 50% in some cases.

Yet, the reality is that troops endure horrific conditions – t[b]hey often lack tents or sleeping bags, many must scavenge for firewood to cook and they live a destitute life – hardly the motivation or replenishment required to fight a violent and constant aggressor.[/b]
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2014/jul/11/boko-haram-nigeria-violence-corruption-security


Nigeria's once vaunted military has been hollowed out by corruption, bad leadership, and insufficient training, leaving it vulnerable to Boko Haram's advance


[size=15pt]Nigeria’s military has been in decline for the past 16 years,[/size] says J. Peter Pham, director of the Africa Center at the Washington D.C.- based Atlantic Council, ever since the country moved from a military dictatorship to a democracy in 1999. The intervening years have seen the country’s armed forces hollowed out by a combination of poor leadership, graft, misdirected staff training and a succession of civilian governments so worried about another coup that they have starved the armed forces of key resources.

Ammunition and arms are budgeted and paid for, but they don’t always reach the front lines, either because they are diverted to the black market, or because the money actually went into a procurer’s pocket. Disgruntled soldiers recently spoke to CNN, describing how they are sent out to fight militants armed with RPGs while they only have dozens of bullets each. The soldiers complained that they had to cover medical expenses for wounds received in battle, and that the spouses of dead soldiers were only granted a minimal stipend
http://time.com/3702849/nigerias-army-boko-haram/


What a truly pathetic military

Henry120:
So what you are saying is, we are in for another 23years rollercoaster ride!! I better strap in then.

Henry120:
PHOTO OF A NIGERIAN AIR FORCE PILOT IN A RUSSIAN ZSh-7 Helmet.


Although still speculative, this is the first photo of a Nigerian pilot in what seems to be an SU-30 or MIG-29.


Thanks to Africaken, we know the helmet is Russian contrary to my earlier label of Chinese. The Pilots name written in Russian has also now been confirmed.


The million dollar question is, what is a Nigerian Air Force Pilot doing in an SU-30/MIG-29 in a Russian speaking country?

patches689:
The million dollar question is: Is he Nigerian??

You seen his passport brah?

No?

Ok then

Henry120:
The image is mine, that's a Nigerian pilot no question.

patches689:
so, we literally have to take your word for it?

Henry120:
Yes.


If you think it's a MIG-35/ SU-35, by all means even better.

patches689:
Ok - so... into the trash it goes.
no source = no bueno

Henry120:
Buhahahahahahaha........ What a sad sad man.

patches689:
so... its legit "because-you-say-so"
pfffftttt... clown

Henry120:
Buhahahahaha...... Boy you sad man. Who did this to you?

patches689:
Its a simple question Henry, where did you get the picture?
why are you being so evasive?

Henry120:
It is confidential. I can't provide you with that information.

patches689:
"confidential"



So, your "confidential" source can provide you with a picture (what is OPSEC?) but cant tell you what that picture is of or where it was taken?

hahahahahahahahaha

#ItsTrueBecauseHeSaysSo

Thiza:
SANDF

Henry120:
Like i said, it's confidential.

FighterPilot:
Last month Airbus visited Pretoria and presented to them A33MRTT, A400M and C295. It now looks set that SANDF will finally sign on the dotted line to acquire any of the aircrafts aforementioned.


http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1352/airbus-talking-to-saaf-on-a400m-a330mrtt-and-c295

patches689:
1. around 250 troops surrounded by 500
2. Did not choose to surrender if attacked - instead they prepared for combat
3. The story has, in anycase, been denied by multiple sources (and your own country-men agree it is either exaggerated or fake)

Augustus, you are pathetic

o, and from your own source:

In the weekend attack, the AU post of 157 peacekeepers and support staff was overrun by some 1,000 Darfur rebels. Three other African troops were also killed, and three Nigerians are missing.
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article24084

hmmm.... seems you had your own little "bangui" incident there!!

You have humiliated yourself again like you did with the infamous fishing boat incident

[size=16pt]And your right, you Nigerian army does not surrender - because to surrender you have to wait to meet your opponent, your soldiers are normally long gone before the enemy arrives [/size]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VxPJCkozEE

agaugust:
NAF has it's edge over Algerian and Egyptian air forces. SAAF is no comparison.

Algerian air force has far far far far less combat experience compared to Nigeria.

Egyptian air force last fought a war over 40 years ago. Current pilots have ZERO experience.

Nigerian air force has flown 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months and fought wars overseas and at home consistently for the past 25 years.

NAF ISTAR beats everybody in Africa by far.

An air force is more than just having more or better jet fighters, there are different kinds of combat air forces are required to be capable of fighting, and constant experience of war is an edge.

NAF is desired by Egypt, they did not even act as if SAAF exists, the Egyptians don't want to be associated with a ZERO tested air force, SAAF
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Zaha:
Naf

DictatorZAR:
Oh shame are those the same untrained f@cktards with the fake worthless robots who couldn't even defuse Boko Goats home made bombs, that led to the death of almost a hundred poor souls.

SHAMELESS

jln115:
All this is fvcking ironic coming from the same man who said NAF was only the 11th strongest Air force in Africa.

Henry120:
When you South-Africans get butt-hurt, you stay throwing little silly comments about jealousy.

Deal with it, the SAAF is a turd of an excuse for a service.

You have neither provided any evidence or citation to prove that the SAAF has more than 9 Gripen, qualified pilots. None!

I'm not been imaginative, the facts are well documented. The SAAF has a pilot shortage, go cry to Pretoria not on nairaland.


Truly, there actually is nothing to be jealous of the SAAF. Your A109s are mostly grounded than in the air, you fly world war II aircraft for MP duties, you have a Gripen pilot shortage, at-least 12 Gripens are always in storage( or what ever the name you currently have for it), your half-french Helicopter is obsolete, you cannot afford aviation fuel, you SAAF is broke, the SAAF only has 3 operational C-130s, experienced pilots have quit the service because of forced quota, the SAAF is pitifully inexperienced, the SAAF demands it's dead pilot pay for his service flight suit.

The South-African Air force is a joke!!


In transport the NAF is ahead,
Surveillance we are ahead,
Combat experience we are ahead,
Operational use, we are ahead,
Congrats you have a 4 GEN fighter, but it's a fighter without BVR capabilities, so it's fight with NAF's 3.5GEN F-7 is even,
And we sure well do not demand families of dead pilots killed in service to pay for flight suits.


Egypt, Algeria and Nigeria are light years ahead of the SAAF.

agaugust:
Quote where I ever said that, quote it.....like SAAF Gripens have air to ground missiles because you say so ....

agaugust:
[s]Anytime SANDF fumbles in action, you Southies start posting photos of DENEL weapons and SANDF weapons, yet your army fails in war.

Why don't your SAAF deploy Gripen jets in Congo DRC and threaten Sudan instead of your soldiers pissing in their trousers and planning to surrender to rag tar army of Sudan that is driving Toyota Hilux around SANDF base in Sudan?

Why not show the teeth of your Gripen jet and targeting pod with guided bombs to warn Sudan ?

Nation of Soweto born cowards, you CANNOT fight real war !

You useless Gripen jets are always found posing for photos outside war zones, SAAF never jets to where there is combat [/s]
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agaugust:
SAAF is buying NOTHING !

Reports were posted here from inside South Africa few months ago, declaring that Jacob Zuma has eaten up the money meant for buying new transport aircraft for South African air force.

Your SAAF is gonna FVCK the air with your American donated hand me down old school C-130 trasnporter/lifter till 2020 if not longer
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agaugust:
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[size=16pt][s]Your above video shows soldiers and civilians driving in same direction, NOTHING SAYS they were running from the enemy.

NO enemy was even in the video, the Nigerian soldiers could be escorting those civilians, going into action with civilian JTF in civilian vehicles, or speeding to intercept the enemy via another route, or evacuating wounded men, or even going to mount a road blockage ahead to stop the enemy.

You posted a meaningless video that has no description, if there was a danger in that area, why where the youths making the video standing still on foot, no vehicle, not running from danger, not escaping from what others are 'escaping' from according to you? They did not even panic, they calmly stayed there making mobile phone video, is that a battle field ? No !!!!!!

Boko Haram war is over, who won? Nigerian military !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Envy us you cowardly South Africans, envy us !

Burundi, SANDF armoury was looted by rebels and MRAPs, mortar artillery, RPG, AGL, MGL, heavy machine guns etc, were all carted away by daylight thieves and South African army could do NOTHING

100 Nigerian troops fought bravely all night long and defeated 1,000 Sudanese fighters that completely surrounded our base in Sudan 2007.

800 South African troops decided to surrender quickly to 500 Sudanese fighters

SANDF troops vowed to surrender immediately Sudan's Toyota troops attack !
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jln115:
The F-7 is barely a 3rd Gen Aircraft its basically a Mig 21 with slightly better avionics.

jln115:
We have no need for any BVR missiles at this moment..but expect SAAF to order a few BVR missiles thanks to the massive increase of its budget

jln115:
Ohh.....And dont forget that the Defence review has been approved... expect our Defence budget to double in the very near future.