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Henry120:
You are a Nation of cowards. Soldiers always poping in their pants. Bangui, now Darfur.

jln115:
Or really? What about your soldiers running away from BH? BTW Seleka raised the white flag

Henry120:
The National Secretary of the SANDU confirms you ran away like the cowards you are.

Henry120:
Uselessness of the SANDF, series continues.



[b]The South African National Defence Union (Sandu) says it is demoralising for soldiers to serve in the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) when senior officials are getting away with corruption and incompetence and are receiving political protection and appointments.

Pikkie Greeff, Sandu National Secretary, made the comments at a recent Transparency International Defence Anti-Corruption in South Africa Civil Society Workshop in Johannesburg.

Greeff gave several examples of corruption in the SANDF, such as a commander in Polokwane being moved from one post to another due to procurement irregularities at the base involving things like rations, where he would use his friends to buy items like milk at prices inflated by 50%. Instead of this person being prosecuted in a military court he was simply moved to another position due to political cover, Greeff said.

In another instance, Greeff said it was alleged that a military official in Port Elizabeth was calling up reserve members for a fee and an officer commanding a base in the North West province was placed under suspension after allegations of fraud and tender rigging because he himself pointed out procurement regularities in the South African Army.

Greeff said that an Air Force general has been suspended with full pay for nine years because of sexual misconduct allegations after criticising the 1998 arms deal. He said the general has exceptional expertise regarding avionics but is sitting at home not being utilised due to ulterior motives.

Other examples of corruption in the SANDF pointed out by Greeff include the South African Air Force leasing aircraft from a husband and wife owned company that did not own any aircraft, resulting in troops being stranded when there were problems with the aircraft chartered by these middlemen; and the awarding of contracts that do not go out to tender because they are under a certain amount.

Greeff said that not all corruption was financial – a lot of it was political, with officials being protected due to their political connections, and appointments being made based on political grounds and not merit. For example, a senior warrant officer who was on the receiving end of a rant which included shouting and spitting by the current Director: Force Preparation of the SA Army, Brigadier General Nontobeka Mpaxa, was recently awarded damages of R330 000 by court but has not been disciplined for misconduct. Greeff alleges the same general was caught for drunken driving in Kimberly but the docket disappeared from the court.

Another example of what Greeff calls high ranking cover due to previous political connections involves the crash of a C-47 Dakota in the Drakensberg in late 2012. He said the preliminary accident report shows that the pilots were forced to fly in poor weather even after they protested against it and that the officials who ordered the flight were not court martialled as they should have been.

A similar scenario occurred after the Battle of Bangui in the Central African Republic (CAR) when officials responsible for intelligence failures and leaders on the ground who ran away from the fight were not prosecuted.

The Guptagate saga was another example highlighted by Sandu, where blame was shifted to two middle ranking officers who were suspended and found guilty but had charges dropped “in the face of overwhelming evidence that Bruce Koloane misled the entire military into allowing the [Gupta] plane to land. If an ordinary person misled an entire defence force…he would probably be trialled for treason. This person got promoted to an ambassador’s position. This sends a message to soldiers on the ground and to middle ranking officers as well. Why go to the trouble of exposing corruption if you can somehow benefit from it if you know the right people. That’s the spirit that has taken hold of the defence force,” Greeff said.

He pointed out that none of the above examples have resulted in prosecutions or convictions, something made worse by the fact that the military courts have come to a grinding halt over the last three month because someone failed to sign the appointment of judges to the bench. Greeff said that in 2014 the military courts were held up for a month because of the same issue.

The Sandu secretary said that no-one is willing to put their careers on the line by blowing the whistle or even disobey senseless or illegal orders. He said a huge part of the problem is that political influence has taken over in the defence force with decisions taken on the basis of former political affiliation and that people with higher political rank override those with higher military rank in the SANDF. “It is very demoralising for a solider to serve in a defence force where these things are going on,” he said.

Greeff was of the opinion that probably the only thing that will solve these issues is time as personnel keep moving through ranks and the SANDF has already seen a huge exodus of politically affiliated appointees due to age and attrition.[/b]

jln115:
When?

Henry120:
Now read. While at that, see if you can identify the fighter with this canopy. It's a Russian Fighter Plane.

Henry120:
The National Secretary of the SANDU confirms you ran away like the cowards you are.

jln115:
Uhm I saw a video of a whole Nigerian unit

What about the plane? Why must i identify it? but its a F-7/Mig 21 if you were wondering.

jln115:
Uhm I saw a video of a whole Nigerian unit running away from BH....The fact is 200 SANDF soldiers vs 3000 Seleka rebels, 15 dead vs 800+ dead and seleka raised the white flag.

What about the plane? Why must i identify it? but its a F-7/Mig 21 if you were wondering.

Henry120:
You are a Nation of cowards. Soldiers always poping in their pants. Bangui, now Darfur.

Henry120:
Uselessness of the SANDF, series continues.



[b]The South African National Defence Union (Sandu) says it is demoralising for soldiers to serve in the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) when senior officials are getting away with corruption and incompetence and are receiving political protection and appointments.

Pikkie Greeff, Sandu National Secretary, made the comments at a recent Transparency International Defence Anti-Corruption in South Africa Civil Society Workshop in Johannesburg.

Greeff gave several examples of corruption in the SANDF, such as a commander in Polokwane being moved from one post to another due to procurement irregularities at the base involving things like rations, where he would use his friends to buy items like milk at prices inflated by 50%. Instead of this person being prosecuted in a military court he was simply moved to another position due to political cover, Greeff said.

In another instance, Greeff said it was alleged that a military official in Port Elizabeth was calling up reserve members for a fee and an officer commanding a base in the North West province was placed under suspension after allegations of fraud and tender rigging because he himself pointed out procurement regularities in the South African Army.

Greeff said that an Air Force general has been suspended with full pay for nine years because of sexual misconduct allegations after criticising the 1998 arms deal. He said the general has exceptional expertise regarding avionics but is sitting at home not being utilised due to ulterior motives.

Other examples of corruption in the SANDF pointed out by Greeff include the South African Air Force leasing aircraft from a husband and wife owned company that did not own any aircraft, resulting in troops being stranded when there were problems with the aircraft chartered by these middlemen; and the awarding of contracts that do not go out to tender because they are under a certain amount.

Greeff said that not all corruption was financial – a lot of it was political, with officials being protected due to their political connections, and appointments being made based on political grounds and not merit. For example, a senior warrant officer who was on the receiving end of a rant which included shouting and spitting by the current Director: Force Preparation of the SA Army, Brigadier General Nontobeka Mpaxa, was recently awarded damages of R330 000 by court but has not been disciplined for misconduct. Greeff alleges the same general was caught for drunken driving in Kimberly but the docket disappeared from the court.

Another example of what Greeff calls high ranking cover due to previous political connections involves the crash of a C-47 Dakota in the Drakensberg in late 2012. He said the preliminary accident report shows that the pilots were forced to fly in poor weather even after they protested against it and that the officials who ordered the flight were not court martialled as they should have been.

A similar scenario occurred after the Battle of Bangui in the Central African Republic (CAR) when officials responsible for intelligence failures and leaders on the ground who ran away from the fight were not prosecuted.

The Guptagate saga was another example highlighted by Sandu, where blame was shifted to two middle ranking officers who were suspended and found guilty but had charges dropped “in the face of overwhelming evidence that Bruce Koloane misled the entire military into allowing the [Gupta] plane to land. If an ordinary person misled an entire defence force…he would probably be trialled for treason. This person got promoted to an ambassador’s position. This sends a message to soldiers on the ground and to middle ranking officers as well. Why go to the trouble of exposing corruption if you can somehow benefit from it if you know the right people. That’s the spirit that has taken hold of the defence force,” Greeff said.

He pointed out that none of the above examples have resulted in prosecutions or convictions, something made worse by the fact that the military courts have come to a grinding halt over the last three month because someone failed to sign the appointment of judges to the bench. Greeff said that in 2014 the military courts were held up for a month because of the same issue.

The Sandu secretary said that no-one is willing to put their careers on the line by blowing the whistle or even disobey senseless or illegal orders. He said a huge part of the problem is that political influence has taken over in the defence force with decisions taken on the basis of former political affiliation and that people with higher political rank override those with higher military rank in the SANDF. “It is very demoralising for a solider to serve in a defence force where these things are going on,” he said.

Greeff was of the opinion that probably the only thing that will solve these issues is time as personnel keep moving through ranks and the SANDF has already seen a huge exodus of politically affiliated appointees due to age and attrition.[/b]

Fighterpilot, stop crying, embrace your cowardliness.

agaugust:
3 million British and French troops lost the whole nation of France to Germany in 1940, but came back to retake France in 1944.

The final end of any war is all that matters....who won North East war at the end ? Nigerian army won !

SADF failed to win in Angola after almost 20 years of war.

Henry120:
800 vs 500 in favour of the SANDF, yet it was the SANDF, not the Sudanese who were poping in their pants.

agaugust:
LOL....yet they claimed 250 SANDF defeated 2,500 Seleka rebels.....that was a big lie, Sudan has proved them to be frauds.

SANDF surrendered in Bangui, I guess they even paid cash bribe to Seleka to buy their freedom to Bangui airport for French army protection.

The SANDF woman captured and released unharmed on the road by Seleka during the battle was carrying lots of army cash and was not hurt by Seleka, for free? No, SANDF bribed Seleka like their ANC bribed FIFA to host world cup.

Bantu cowards for life !
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Henry120:
The National Secretary of the SANDU confirms you ran away like the cowards you are.

Patchesagain:
[size=20pt]Nigerians point one finger at the SANDF and four of their own fingers point back at them!![/size]


However, much of that money has allegedly fuelled corruption or been siphoned off to enrich regional governments.

This has led to an under resourced military, short of guns and ammunition.
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/countingthecost/2015/03/corruption-blights-nigerian-army-fight-rebels-150320160800536.html


The failure of the state security agencies – the military, police, secret police – to confront this violence is sometimes attributed to incapacity. But many say deep corruption prevents the military from containing the insurgencies.

In 2010, the government awarded a $470m (£274m) contract for security across the capital. However, few of the hundreds of cameras installed function, yet the work was paid for and signed off.

In the huge military operation in the north east, where Boko Haram operates, which has been in place since a state of emergency was imposed in 2013, there are complaints by army members. These soldiers have often claimed that their budgeted allowance for dangerous field duties are shaved off by commanders, leaving them with less than 50% in some cases.

Yet, the reality is that troops endure horrific conditions – t[b]hey often lack tents or sleeping bags, many must scavenge for firewood to cook and they live a destitute life – hardly the motivation or replenishment required to fight a violent and constant aggressor.[/b]
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2014/jul/11/boko-haram-nigeria-violence-corruption-security


Nigeria's once vaunted military has been hollowed out by corruption, bad leadership, and insufficient training, leaving it vulnerable to Boko Haram's advance


[size=15pt]Nigeria’s military has been in decline for the past 16 years,[/size] says J. Peter Pham, director of the Africa Center at the Washington D.C.- based Atlantic Council, ever since the country moved from a military dictatorship to a democracy in 1999. The intervening years have seen the country’s armed forces hollowed out by a combination of poor leadership, graft, misdirected staff training and a succession of civilian governments so worried about another coup that they have starved the armed forces of key resources.

Ammunition and arms are budgeted and paid for, but they don’t always reach the front lines, either because they are diverted to the black market, or because the money actually went into a procurer’s pocket. Disgruntled soldiers recently spoke to CNN, describing how they are sent out to fight militants armed with RPGs while they only have dozens of bullets each. The soldiers complained that they had to cover medical expenses for wounds received in battle, and that the spouses of dead soldiers were only granted a minimal stipend
http://time.com/3702849/nigerias-army-boko-haram/


What a truly pathetic military

Henry120:
Uselessness of the SANDF, series continues.



[b]The South African National Defence Union (Sandu) says it is demoralising for soldiers to serve in the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) when senior officials are getting away with corruption and incompetence and are receiving political protection and appointments.

Pikkie Greeff, Sandu National Secretary, made the comments at a recent Transparency International Defence Anti-Corruption in South Africa Civil Society Workshop in Johannesburg.

Greeff gave several examples of corruption in the SANDF, such as a commander in Polokwane being moved from one post to another due to procurement irregularities at the base involving things like rations, where he would use his friends to buy items like milk at prices inflated by 50%. Instead of this person being prosecuted in a military court he was simply moved to another position due to political cover, Greeff said.

In another instance, Greeff said it was alleged that a military official in Port Elizabeth was calling up reserve members for a fee and an officer commanding a base in the North West province was placed under suspension after allegations of fraud and tender rigging because he himself pointed out procurement regularities in the South African Army.

Greeff said that an Air Force general has been suspended with full pay for nine years because of sexual misconduct allegations after criticising the 1998 arms deal. He said the general has exceptional expertise regarding avionics but is sitting at home not being utilised due to ulterior motives.

Other examples of corruption in the SANDF pointed out by Greeff include the South African Air Force leasing aircraft from a husband and wife owned company that did not own any aircraft, resulting in troops being stranded when there were problems with the aircraft chartered by these middlemen; and the awarding of contracts that do not go out to tender because they are under a certain amount.

Greeff said that not all corruption was financial – a lot of it was political, with officials being protected due to their political connections, and appointments being made based on political grounds and not merit. For example, a senior warrant officer who was on the receiving end of a rant which included shouting and spitting by the current Director: Force Preparation of the SA Army, Brigadier General Nontobeka Mpaxa, was recently awarded damages of R330 000 by court but has not been disciplined for misconduct. Greeff alleges the same general was caught for drunken driving in Kimberly but the docket disappeared from the court.

Another example of what Greeff calls high ranking cover due to previous political connections involves the crash of a C-47 Dakota in the Drakensberg in late 2012. He said the preliminary accident report shows that the pilots were forced to fly in poor weather even after they protested against it and that the officials who ordered the flight were not court martialled as they should have been.

A similar scenario occurred after the Battle of Bangui in the Central African Republic (CAR) when officials responsible for intelligence failures and leaders on the ground who ran away from the fight were not prosecuted.

The Guptagate saga was another example highlighted by Sandu, where blame was shifted to two middle ranking officers who were suspended and found guilty but had charges dropped “in the face of overwhelming evidence that Bruce Koloane misled the entire military into allowing the [Gupta] plane to land. If an ordinary person misled an entire defence force…he would probably be trialled for treason. This person got promoted to an ambassador’s position. This sends a message to soldiers on the ground and to middle ranking officers as well. Why go to the trouble of exposing corruption if you can somehow benefit from it if you know the right people. That’s the spirit that has taken hold of the defence force,” Greeff said.

He pointed out that none of the above examples have resulted in prosecutions or convictions, something made worse by the fact that the military courts have come to a grinding halt over the last three month because someone failed to sign the appointment of judges to the bench. Greeff said that in 2014 the military courts were held up for a month because of the same issue.

The Sandu secretary said that no-one is willing to put their careers on the line by blowing the whistle or even disobey senseless or illegal orders. He said a huge part of the problem is that political influence has taken over in the defence force with decisions taken on the basis of former political affiliation and that people with higher political rank override those with higher military rank in the SANDF. “It is very demoralising for a solider to serve in a defence force where these things are going on,” he said.

Greeff was of the opinion that probably the only thing that will solve these issues is time as personnel keep moving through ranks and the SANDF has already seen a huge exodus of politically affiliated appointees due to age and attrition.[/b]

Fighterpilot, stop crying, embrace your cowardliness.

Henry120:
What about the charter companies?

Henry120:
We'll have to wait till 2020 to see what the SAAF has actually ordered.

FighterPilot:
Last month Airbus visited Pretoria and presented to them A33MRTT, A400M and C295. It now looks set that SANDF will finally sign on the dotted line to acquire any of the aircrafts aforementioned.


http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1352/airbus-talking-to-saaf-on-a400m-a330mrtt-and-c295

Henry120:
Project biro was also budgeted for 23years ago.

Henry120:
PHOTO OF A NIGERIAN AIR FORCE PILOT IN A RUSSIAN ZSh-7 Helmet.


Although still speculative, this is the first photo of a Nigerian pilot in what seems to be an SU-30 or MIG-29.


Thanks to Africaken, we know the helmet is Russian contrary to my earlier label of Chinese. The Pilots name written in Russian has also now been confirmed.


The million dollar question is, what is a Nigerian Air Force Pilot doing in an SU-30/MIG-29 in a Russian speaking country?

agaugust:
There is NO agaugust on Beegeagle.

Prove that the Augustine on Beegeagle is same as the one on Nairaland, prove it.....

While you try to prove the above, I will assume that the Col.Eben Barlow on Beegeagle is same as Col. Eben Barlow of SADF !

#CheckMate
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jln115:
Or really? What about your soldiers running away from BH? BTW Seleka raised the white flag

Patchesagain:
Henry 120 confirmed forbidding unable to do basic arithmetic

800 divided by 3 is??

agaugust:
[s]Nigerian soldiers retreated from Bokos in some instances after many hours of fighting outnumbered and running out of ammunition.

800 South African troops troops in Sudan decided to surrender to 500 Sudanese troops without a fight.....100% cowardice

Nigerian army came back to recover EVERY ground lost to Bokos and k.illed every Boko that refused to surrender to us, we won our war 100%.

Seleka NEVER admitted raising white flag, it is a South African concocted false version of events, Seleka said it's fighters broke through SANDF defensive lines, how does a man winning a battle and breaking up his enemy raise white flag, or is the white flag a weapon that is used to break through enemy defences and k.ill the enemy till they start running like rabbits to the airport ?


Sudan event proves SANDF elite troops were the ones who actually raised white flag in surrender to Seleka rebels.

Your army is trained to surrender at the earliest given opportunity, NO SANDF man wants to die in battle....Cowards[/s]
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agaugust:
[s]SANDF had 800 troops against 500 Sudanese.

Even if you had 3 bases, show us proof that each of the bases had exactly 800 divided by 3.

No matter what, if 250 SANDF fight 500 Sudanese in one base, it's okay ! Nigeria used 100 troops to fight 1,000 Sudanese and we refused to surrender to them, we fought all night !

The other 650 SANDF will be radioed to come and reinforce the SANDF base under attack, your 650 men reinforcing will catch the 500 Sudanese from behind and massacre them while the 250 SANDF men in the base will be hitting the Sudanese in the front.

Your enemy would have been sandwiched and trapped to death, the Sudanese are out-numbered, odds favour SANDF for victory.

Yet, with the advantage of numbers, South African troops DO NOT have the courage to fight, surrender was the first idea that came to their minds when they remembered that they joined the army for monthly salary not for war.

So much for your foolish slogan Training > Experience

#Slogan Demolished

I said before, that the day your inexperienced SANDF hear gunshot, they will tremble and run...now we here them confess fear and surrender !

Training without experience = Untested and Unreliable Army = SANDF [/s]
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agaugust:
Nigerian soldiers retreated from Bokos in some instances after many hours of fighting outnumbered and running out of ammunition.

FighterPilot:
All that I see is just an opinion and not a fact.