MuttleyLaff:
Wouldnt you like to know

Just shows you're an amateur
It's only one verse, who needs other verses from other bible books when only one verse will do.

You look uncomfortable and squirmed in front of your screen reading that

emrain:




11:30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

11:31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. Judges




Hehehehe..., it was really a seminary school, now I understand.

MuttleyLaff:
Yes

emrain:


Seminary school in heaven with God as the Pope.

johnydon22:


hahahahahahaha imagine and the guy is fighting tooth and nail to ensure that the sacrifice was not burnt offering.. lmao.. willful dishonesty to defend the bible

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahaha you simply dont know how to argue. .
please i dont use personal words when arguing
so lets just stick to the thread so as not to childishly drag it into unrelated personal word exchanges like you are trying hard to do...
I dont do that..

johnydon22:
so back to the matter

I agree am an amateur, now prof kindly show us the verses please please please

MuttleyLaff:
Watch your tongue and how to construct your post, you cheeky young upstart

Good that you're beginning to know your place and worth but I'll let you squirm a bit more before I do

emrain:


The guy is coming up. He'll soon discover the truth.

I was once like him.

johnydon22:
Yeah i agree with you he will learn with time

Hahahahahahaha you were once like him as in attacking people personally instead of attacking the topic?

read all my discussions with him he was just busy crying emotionally sentimental blabs. .

johnydon22:


Seriously am sure i never argued whether god was interested in the sacrifice or not, whether it desires human sacrifice or not. . That was not the argument. .

It was whether Jephthah sacrifice his daughter or not of which the story shows he did. .
There is no need bringing in whether god want the sacrifice or not because the bible never said if he accepted it or not in the story..so thats not the topic of the thread or my business.

The clear thing was; Jephthah use her as a burnt offering...True or false?

Tjayjosh:

False.
She was taken to shiloh. There she served at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 1sa 2:22.

Tjayjosh:
False.
She was taken to shiloh. There she served at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 1sa 2:22.

johnydon22:
Ok using something as burnt offering means sending it to shiloh to serve at the tent... **Face palm**

MuttleyLaff:


Time-out's over
but going forward, please PEEL your eyes wide open and slowly but carefully read whatever I post now and afterwards

This is honouring johnydon22's "show us the verses where he made the two vow..." request .

Judges 11:31
Then it shall be, that whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon,
shall surely be the LORD'S,
and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

johnydon22:
hahahahahaha and thats basically one promise. . .

johnydon22:
that thing shall be the lords and i will offer IT (that thing) as a burnt offering. . . can it be any clearer than this?? or you still want to apply more deceptions?

johnydon22:
Any body christian or muslim reading this am sure can tell us how the bolded words becomes seperate independent statements

GJames:

11:31. ''Whatever comes out of the door of my house to me when i return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord's, and i will sacrifice it as a BURNT offering''
For sure, this statement was made but how God accepted the offering was never mentioned. Other passages in the Bible however would tell you that God never accepts human sacrifice infact God once told Abraham to offer Isaac as a burnt offering but it never happened.

MuttleyLaff:
No, if you dont forget the "AND" it's not basically one promise
Any body christian or muslim reading this am sure can tell us that "it" refers to an object like an animal and that persons are usually referred to by "he", "she", "him", "her", "them" etc

johnydon22:
Dude seriously? when jephthah made the promise he had nothing in mind and surely didnt even know his daughter would be the one. .

johnydon22:
Am sure you passed your english in school to know the pronoun IT can be used to connote a subject previously mentioned.

johnydon22:
Jephthah said whatsoever surely this doesnt say anybody it means anything. . cat, dog, cow, slave, human...whatsoever .... then it it will be the lord's and offered as burnt offering. . .

johnydon22:
is this english not clear enough for any sane person to see that the pronoun it in the statement connotes the word whatsoever . .

johnydon22:
And for someone who passed english to not know It as a pronoun can also refer to human is quite very pitiable.
e.g: Who broke the lamp..? ans: It was John……

johnydon22:
i think surely you will be awarded a medal for bible twisting boy with blatant deception, you really earned

MuttleyLaff:

A pronoun is a word that takes the place of a noun ((I, me, he, she, herself, you, it, that, they, each, few, many, who, whoever, whose, someone, everybody, etc)
Watch the nouns and pronouns in the following sentence
Tarzan saw Jane, and he waved at her
Were you not taught gender-specific pronouns at all?

johnydon22:
hahahahaha it is quite a pity when someone confines a pronoun to the primary school pronoun we learnt in elementary school. . take a look at this, Muttleylaff doesnt know It is a pronoun that can be used as third person singular pronoun. . .

Boy now go and read and stop this disgraceful show please i beg you

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/it

there is nothing more i need add to this.

MuttleyLaff:
SMH, when you are done bamboozling yourself and ready to move on just let me know
Please can you stop spreading your ignorance, because just like with this Jephthah matter, you know jack-nothing about English

If you dont know and werent taught "gender-specific pronouns" how can you possibly understand and correctly use a "third person singular pronouns"
He doesnt even understand the contents in the web link he posted. SMH

There are lessons galore, more coming your way, you have meet your Waterloo and you'll surely get your comeuppance in the end

johnydon22:

Jephthah said whatsoever surely this doesnt say anybody it means anything. . cat, dog, cow, slave, human...whatsoever .... then it it will be the lord's and offered as burnt offering. . .
is this english not clear enough for any sane person to see that the pronoun it in the statement quantifies the word whatsoever . .

cold:
Sigh..like johnydon22 said,why do you all just love to lie to yourselves?
And to think the bible categorically stated that lying is one of the greatest sins. See how you've all elevated the skill of lying to a fine art.
Ok let me jog your memory a bit in case you all are just amnesic or deliberately dishonest.
These are just few of the verses i can remember where god personally requested for burnt offerings as a sacrifice unto himself.
It is not exhaustive by any means. I believe there are a dozen other verses if i dig even deeper.

Please be aware this includes the full story of Jephtah. Just so there is no ambiguity in any quarter.

[size=5pt]Judges 11:29-40

29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands.33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto theLord, and I cannot go back.36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

1 Kings 13:1-2
King James Version (KJV)
13 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the Lord unto Bethel: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense.

2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the Lord, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the Lord; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.

2 Kings 23:20-25
King James Version (KJV)
20 And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem.

Leviticus 27:28
New International Version (NIV)
28 “‘But nothing that a person owns and devotes[a] to the Lord—whether a human being or an animal or family land—may be sold or redeemed; everything so devoted is most holy to the Lord.
29 None devoted, which shall be devoted of men, shall be redeemed; but shall surely be put to death.

Fuel for fire
As for you, son of man, prophesy: Thus says the Lord GOD against the Ammonites and their insults: A sword, a sword is drawn for slaughter, burnished to consume and to flash lightning, because you planned with false visions and lying divinations to lay it on the necks of depraved and wicked men whose day has come when their crimes are at an end. Return it to its sheath! In the place where you were created, in the land of your origin, I will judge you. I will pour out my indignation upon you, breathing my fiery wrath upon you, I will hand you over to ravaging men, artisans of destruction. You shall be fuel for the fire, your blood shall flow throughout the land. You shall not be remembered, for I, the LORD, have spoken. (Ezekiel 21:33-37 NAB

God Commands Burning Humans
[The Lord speaking] "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction[b] will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has[/b], for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)

Burn Nonbelievers

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)[/size]

johnydon22:
thats all . . no more indulging you to exchange more words.

GJames:
Mr Cold. I have gone through the passages you provided. They all talk about God giving instructions to men that they may carry-out capital punishments on people deserving death either through burning or by the sword and not human sacrifice

MuttleyLaff:
That's why I quoted it for posterity to see

cold:
As usual,the denial continues from god's foot soldiers. Your god must be proud.
I'm sure you disigenuously missed the part where he instructed that the whole town be put together
and torched as a burnt offering to the lord your god..deep sigh

johnydon22:
Ok using something as burnt offering means sending it to shiloh to serve at the tent... **Face palm**

Tjayjosh:
Human sacrifice was always understood from the days of abraham onward to be an abomination, it had been denounced and forbidden in Lev 18:21; 20:2-5; Dt 12:31; 18:21; 20:2-5; Dt 12:31; 18:10. There is no evidence of isrealites offering human sacrifice until the days of Ahaz.
It is stated in verse 39, after Jephthah had performed his "burnt offering" that "she knew not a man." such wording would be insane and heartless if she had died but is appropriate if she was devoted to service at the tabernacle. There are examples of such women in scripture; ex 28:8; 1sam 2:22; and luke 2:36, 38. The pathos here lies not in the daughter's devotion to devine service but in the extinction of Jephthah's line as she is his only child.

cold:
For the cherrypicking christians. Rather than struggling so hard to defend your god which in any event you're all doing a very terrible job of. I've made your jobs a lot easier. I've taken out the verses you all hate to read and left all the feel good messages that'll put your god in good light.

johnydon22:
[size=16pt]ORIGINAL POST[/size]
hahahahaha it is quite a pity when someone confines a pronoun to the primary school pronoun we learnt in elementary school. . take a look at this, Muttleylaff doesnt know It is a pronoun that can be used as third person singular pronoun. . .

Boy now go and read and stop this disgraceful show please i beg you

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/it

there is nothing more i need add to this.

johnydon22:
[size=16pt]I AM CALMED DOWN/MODIFIED VERSION[/size]
modified so as not to sound offensive . .

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/it you can go and read about it.

am clearly done indulging in this where you keep wallowing in your own deception in the face of plain truth

Tjayjosh:
This issue needs to be dealt with once and for all. A person on this forum brought this up, i believe he was trying to justify his ill feelings toward God. Whatever the reason may be. The bible scholers on this forum can help lay this matter to rest. Based on current research. Jephthah did not sacrifice his daughter to God. It is supported by at least two reasons.

1. He would have known that God's law strictly forbids human sacrifice and that God would not tolerate such an evil act (Lev 18:21; 20:2-5; Dt 12:31; 18:10-12).

2. The use of the phrase "she was a virgin" suggests that the sacrifice involved devoting her entire life to chastity (i.e., remaining a virgin and unmarried for the rest of her life) and service at the national sanctuary (Ex 38:8; 1sa 2:22).