christopher123:


pls what are you saying..i just cant understand this..is it English or patua

so you can understand the meaning of hobo or wanderal.

Please make una go vote me for Mr Nairaland please

italo:


We both agree he was a Bini man at a point in time.

It is up to you to prove that that status changed.

You haven't done that.

You're still guessing. "May."

I'm not guessing.
Banishment generally may be with or without citizenship loss.

You're the one assuming he did not loose his citizenship as at when he was banished...and that's the reason you're 'declaring' he was still a bini man...after banishment.

He was a bini man until he was banished.
A banished man in bini history ceases to be a member of the community.

Read the book I mentioned in my earlier post, you'll deduce it from there.

adsonstone:

I'm not guessing.
Banishment generally may be with or without citizenship loss.
You're the one assuming he did not loose his citizenship as at when he was banished...and that's the reason you're 'declaring' he was still a bini man...after banishment.
He was a bini man until he was banished.
A banished man in bini history ceases to be a member of the community.
Read the book I mentioned in my earlier post, you'll deduce it from there.

A Bini man is someone with Bini blood.

A Bini Prince is a man who is the biological son of a Bini King.

When did Ekaladerhan lose those two qualities?

Provide a screen shot of where the book says a Bini man ceases to be a Bini man when he's banished.

It's up to you to prove.

italo:


A Bini man is someone with Bini blood.

A Bini Prince is a man who is the biological son of a Bini King.

When did Ekaladerhan lose those two qualities?

Provide a screen shot of where the book says a Bini man ceases to be a Bini man when he's banished.

It's up to you to prove.

My point is proved...even if I don't put up any screenshot, snapshot or link.

Yours is still based on your assumptions.

Seems you want to start going in circles...I don't have that time if you do.

...but before you twist the whole issue;

1. What do you mean by 'bini blood?'
Do u mean 'born by bini parents?'

2. Do you agree that a banished person can loose his citizenship when banished?

3. Are you against the opinion that a person may become the citizen of another place by one of these: naturalization, birth in that place, marriage to a citizen of the place, joining the military of the said place or being the commander of the military...etc.

If you can be honest, we may go on.

adsonstone:


My point is proved...even if I don't put up any screenshot, snapshot or link.

Yours is still based on your assumptions.

Seems you want to start going in circles...I don't have that time if you do.

...but before you twist the whole issue;

1. What do you mean by 'bini blood?'
Do u mean 'born by bini parents?'

2. Do you agree that a banished person can loose his citizenship when banished?

3. Are you against the opinion that a person may become the citizen of another place by one of these: naturalization, birth in that place, marriage to a citizen of the place, joining the military of the said place or being the commander of the military...etc.

If you can be honest, we may go on.

Where is the proof that Ekaladerhan stopped being the son of his Bini Father?

Where is the proof that he ever lost his Bini citizenship?

"My point is proved" is not a proof. Sorry.

Prove your claim before you start asking diversionary questions.

italo:

Where is the proof that Ekaladerhan stopped being the son of his Bini Father?
Where is the proof that he ever lost his Bini citizenship?
"My point is proved" is not a proof. Sorry.
Prove your claim before you start asking diversionary questions.

Do you agree that a banished person can loose his citizenship when banished?
Yes or No?

EzeUche:
Lagos is Yorubaland. Enough of this nonsense from my fellow Igbos. If Nigeria was to divide, Lagos would go to the Yorubas so why bother in claiming a land that is not our own?

We have Enugu, Aba, Onitsha, Umuahia, Owerri and other cities in the East that can all be great because of Igbo ingenuity.

Prr-re-ea-ach it brother, preach! God bless you!

Why can't people comprehend this basic truth??

adsonstone:


Do you agree that a banished person can
loose his citizenship when banished?

Yes or No?

Where is the proof that Ekaladerhan stopped being the son of his Bini Father?

Where is the proof that he ever lost his Bini citizenship?

Prove your claim before you start asking diversionary questions.

their biz

italo:

Where is the proof that Ekaladerhan stopped being the son of his Bini Father?

Where is the proof that he ever lost his Bini citizenship?

Prove your claim before you start asking diversionary questions.

The bold is your own wild assumption...like you always do.

I asked this question(s) because I know you well to be dishonest.
It's a simple question, answer, then we can move on...if you won't go in circles again.

I wonder why you have refused to answer.

Here's it again:
Do you agree that a banished person can
loose his citizenship when banished?

Yes or No?

adsonstone:


The bold is your own wild assumption...like you always do.

I asked this question(s) because I know you well to be dishonest.
It's a simple question, answer, then we can move on...if you won't go in circles again.

I wonder why you have refused to answer.

Here's it again:
Do you agree that a banished person can
loose his citizenship when banished?

Yes or No?

Bros, you made a claim you are yet to prove...

Should we ignore that and engage in diversionary questions?

Prove that Ekaladerhan stopped being a Bini man...if you can't do that we'd have to take it that a Bini man was worshipped as God that fell from the sky by Yoruba people...

Even if you prove it, it'd mean that a Bini man whose citizenship was taken away from him became 'god who fell from heaven' to Yorubas.

But prove your claim!

I am scratching my head, trying to understand what the argument is all about. There is no metropolis in the world today, without its' original indigenous inhabitants.

In the case of Lagos, the indigenous people were the Aworis of Yoruba stock, and till today Yoruba is still the lingua franca of the majority that inhabit the city ( save for a few districts).

Yes, there was an expedition by the Bini in Lagos, but that expedition was not designed to annihilate the original indigenous populace. And till today, there is no Bini man that would offend the sensibilities of the indigenous people of Lagos by claiming it is a "no man's land."

So what is the problem?

Calabar was also a sea port many years ago and the British planted their feet firmly in that territory. Do we now say that the Efik and Ibibio no longer own Calabar because it served as a seaport for the British and later became a metropolis?

I weak o!

adsonstone:


You tell why, you claimed Bini empire reached present day Benin Republic....your source does not confirm that.

Dahomey was changed to Benin Republic in 1975---- about 15 years after their independence in 1960.


History tells that only the powerful Oyo empire reached the present Benin Republic and not the Bini empire.

the bini empire did reach the present benin republic, and through migration went as far as togo and ghana.

OreMI22:
[size=15pt]When it comes to BIAFRA, the Yorubas and Hausa/Fulanis are the WORST hypocrites.

They bitterly hate the Igbos and indeed the southern minorities and would want them to leave Lagos etc and go stay in their own country!

But in contradiction to their true feelings, they don't want Biafra because they want to perpetuate their right to collect the lion share of the oil resources sourced from the same peoples land, using the bogus criteria they foisted on the country called Nigeria.

Without oil in Igboland and Southern minorities part of Nigeria, Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani would have long seceded from Nigeria. FACT! [/size]

You jobless lot keep saying oil from igboland. There's oil in Yorubaland as well and most of the nation's oil is from the Niger Delta

Illiterate fools like you always evade this fact

Ubenedictus:

the bini empire did reach the present benin republic, and through migration went as far as togo and ghana.

Well, The areas were coastline areas without settlers. The coastline colonies were just used for ease of sea transportation and trade from Kumasi to Bini city
Oyo was the one that held the mainlands inhabited by the Fon of Dahomey up till the Ewe along the Volta river of Ghana

EzeUche:
Lagos is Yorubaland. Enough of this nonsense from my fellow Igbos. If Nigeria was to divide, Lagos would go to the Yorubas so why bother in claiming a land that is not our own?

We have Enugu, Aba, Onitsha, Umuahia, Owerri and other cities in the East that can all be great because of Igbo ingenuity.

Very good. .. tell them let them hear

macof:
Well, The areas were coastline areas without settlers. The coastline colonies were just used for ease of sea transportation and trade from Kumasi to Bini city
Oyo was the one that held the mainlands inhabited by the Fon of Dahomey up till the Ewe along the Volta river of Ghana

People relocated inwards sometimes due to security concerns vis a vis incessant slave raiding by the portuguese and their native local agents.

So its incorrect to say somewhere was without settlers.

tpiander:




People relocated inwards sometimes due to security concerns vis a vis incessant slave raiding by the portuguese and their native local agents.

So its incorrect to say somewhere was without settlers.

Pls mention the group of people with any form of organized national identity at the coastline (bight of Bini) who were subjugated by the Binis

You are the one saying your area is subjugated by the binis, my post is not referring to any such thing.

I simply made reference to your erroneous impression the coastline had nobody there.

tpiander:
You are the one saying your area is subjugated by the binis, my post is not referring to any such thing.

I simply made reference to your erroneous impression the coastline had nobody there.

You are always saying nonsense like this one here again. simply answer my question

macof:
Well, The areas were coastline areas without settlers. The coastline colonies were just used for ease of sea transportation and trade from Kumasi to Bini city
Oyo was the one that held the mainlands inhabited by the Fon of Dahomey up till the Ewe along the Volta river of Ghana

Oh! In the case of Dahomey, Togo and Ghana, the areas were coastlines without inhabitants...

...but in Lagos, the coastline was inhabited by Yorubas.

italo:


Oh! In the case of Dahomey, Togo and Ghana, the areas were coastlines without inhabitants...

...but in Lagos, the coastline was inhabited by Yorubas.

You should know that I don't reply bigots

macof:


You should know that I don't reply bigots

No wonder you didn't reply Oba Akiolu!

So since you replied me you don't consider me a bigot.

italo:


Oh! In the case of Dahomey, Togo and Ghana, the areas were coastlines without inhabitants...

...but in Lagos, the coastline was inhabited by Yorubas.

sacasm is never far from you.

Lol

okpamson15:
Lagos na no man land. 2019 i will contest for Governor there, so make una leave igbo alone.

You no want Biafra again?

tonytony208:


You no want Biafra again?

i comment base on the topic of discussion.

okpamson15:
i comment base on the topic of discussion.

Escape Strategy!

Need to know more about Lagos

Lagos government said this

Lagos is not part of Western Nigeria in the Nigerian constitution, Lagos is a former capital of Nigeria and developed by Nigeria money, no tribe in Nigeria has right to claim Lagos as it own, lagos is owned by Nigerians who invested in it, it is a NO MAN LAND for allNigerians been the former capital of Nigeria for decades. The only indigenous people in Lagos is the Aworis, Egun and Ijaw and rest are migrants. Abuja is been developed with Nigeria oil money now after former tribes living in it will come claim Abuja as their own and start threatening other Nigerians that have invested heavily in it to make it what is it to leave Abuja for them just like what some Yorubas is doing in Lagos. They want to reap where they did not sow.

The human race is the race of immigrants. At a particular time a tribe dominates a land and claims it.

The Ewi of Ado-Ekiti also came from Benin...so legend says

Legend is on your side. good thought.