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| Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 12:16am On Nov 16, 2013 |
Thank you all for coming here. this's not a matter of argument bt explaination, u know Jesus is not here with us and there is a question we need to ask him. Personally, it baffles me when i see christians saying Jesus the God of this, Jesus the God of that and the bible confirmed it that there's only One God. U know if Jesus is here we would have just asked him that; O Jesus, who are you pls? and he would have told us who he is or who he was. but now where're helpless, and those that claimed to have seen him in their dreams would never remember to ask him this very important question which Holy spirit has not been able to answer. Because millions of christians are claiming Holy spirit which is the spirit of truth and yet they're far from. Millions of christians are saying He is the "SON" while another millions are saying He is "GOD", this clearly shows that millions are only claiming Holy spirit bt they've never perceived his odour. But before tendering my own evidences as another claimer of Holy spirit, yes! Holy spirit is with me as i'm writing this, i'll want us to be reasonable for a moment and ask ourselves that; Can God die?. then we should ask ourselves again that, What is the source of Air? and, What would happen if there's an Air Outage for an Hour?. These are personal questions pls, and the answers are not to be posted. Now my own evidences that i want us to look at together with ur own are: The Glorious Quran 4:172. The Messiah (Iesa [Jesus]) will never be proud to reject to be a slave to Allah, nor the angles who are near (to Allah). And whoever rejects His worship and is proud, then He will gather them all together unto Himself. Naturally, this verse would sound some how to a christian who has never heard/read it before, but he/she suppose to pay more attention to Matthew 27:46 or Mark 15:34 which says, And at the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice Elah, Elah, lama sabachthani? which is translated as, My God, My God, for what have you forsaken me?. Now the questions are, 1. Who is Elah that Jesus was calling as My God? 2. Can God have God? 3. Then how Many God do we have? 4. How does it sound that God was helpless and was Begging (who?) 5. Who is suppose to be the All-Mighty?. Since Jesus can't come down to tell us with his own mouth who he is, and people are dieing day by day without knowing the truth bt mere conjecture. by answering these five questions clearly, we have known him. Click here and type God to see what Jesus (as) called His God. http://www.peshitta.org/lexicon/ |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 12:37am On Nov 16, 2013 |
Hey guys? u don't need to mind the topic, it's just to attract traffics u know nw. bt still it's the truth that tastes bitter at times, Jesus is a slave wey get "Pure package" not like u and i, no matter how we try, we can never reach his standard. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by stan4b(m): 2:04am On Nov 16, 2013 |
All I know is,Jesus is a Son of God. I want u guys to make a deduction for me pls. The Children of God,are Gods. Jesus Christ is a Son of God. Then is Jesus a God or Not. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 11:36am On Nov 16, 2013 |
stan4b: All I know is,Jesus is a Son of God.Thank u brother for stepping by, i really appreciate this. Even though, u did not bother urself to analyse those questions, u just jumped in to conclusion that "Jesus is Son" and because of that he is also "God" that's also nice. Now since Jesus is God through being a Son which make him "GOD THE SON". Pls how did Jesus become a "Son" to "God"?. this simple question will do for now. while we await the arrival of our giant pastors. 1 Like |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 5:00pm On Nov 27, 2013 |
THIS CHRISTIANS TOO SMART O. THEY DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO SAY SOMETHING, THEY DON'T FIGHT IN AN OPEN FIELD, IF U SLAP THEM THEY WILL TURN THE OTHER CHEEK. BUT IF THEY GET TO A CLUMSY MARKET WHERE THEY'LL EASILY DODGE YOUR BLOW, THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO PROVOKE YOU. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by okeyxyz(m): 5:52pm On Nov 27, 2013 |
^^^ What exactly are you here to do?? To make mockery or to really debate?? And as for "how did Jesus become God", What part of the other answer didn't you understand?? Is the son of God not God?? Has anybody claimed that jesus is God the father?? or you don't understand the difference between father and son?? Jesus became God because the father made him so, conferring upon him the same spirit and powers as himself. He is equal to the father in quality and quantity, thus making him God. I know i'm probably "casting pearls to the swine..." but take it if you can, it takes only God to understand and therefore fulfill the laws of Moses which was the principal mission of Jesus. Having fulfilled and therefore abolished the law through his death, he has paved the way to make men(believers) Gods as well, equaling him and God the father in the same quality and quantity. So not only is Jesus God, but also as many as have the understanding and belief in this new righteousness of God have also become equal to God. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 9:38pm On Nov 27, 2013 |
okeyxyz: ^^^How i've mock? did u categorise that as mockery? honestly it's very far from that. okeyxyz:^^^ The above is the definition of "Polytheism" (associating partners with God) which attracts the most several punishments from All-Might God. Not that i'm mocking, i'm a muslim and i'll never mock Jesus(as). I'm only defending those barbaric words, actions that was attributed to him. Only if u can exchange just three posts with me, i think u'll understand better. 1 Like |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by okeyxyz(m): 10:50pm On Nov 27, 2013 |
harbiola1: Okay, I explain to you: The christian scripture says: God is a spirit. By Spirit it does not mean some Ghost entity like religions define it, rather Spirit means a mindset, a law-system, a behavioral-system or value-system; So though there may be multiple persons\entities, they all have the same or one spirit or behaviour(value system). Therefore when we say GOD IS ONE, we mean there is one, true spirit of God and it is ONLY by this spirit you can identify who is god and who is non-god. So fine! it is polytheism in the secular sense of theism, but in the spiritual interpretation God is one, being that the spirit is the true definition of God, not the persons/entities. 2 Likes |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by Gombs(m): 5:44am On Nov 28, 2013 |
If I were to go make similar post in Islam for Muslims, about Mohammed, you guys there would not only delete d post but ban me till November 2100. You even had the effrontery to state you used the Topic to create traffic! If I created a post as thus in Islam section "Muslims, won't you stop revering a Pedophile of a Prophet? " Maclatunji and deols wud delete it, ban me, then some of your brothers would go set few shops n cars up North on fire Leave Jesus alone, you don't have to believe in Him, salvation is not compulsory. You just keep creating threads begging for folks to stop by and still ask same questions answered on other thread. Why worry about Jesus being God's Son? You guys claim God has no 'wife' how could he have had a Son? But you same guys believed he was born of a virgin which was an impossibility, how then can't he have a Son which actually is His Words made flesh? 8 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by RedReact: 7:38am On Nov 28, 2013 |
Leaving differences in doctrines we may have aside, I want to say I am disappointed in Okeyxyz and Gombs for their comments. You didnt have to comment at all (though I am doing same now just because I saw your comments). Jesus is a slave, he begged Mohammed to help him ask Allah to prevail on christians ... Anything else? Doesnt that reek of insecurity? |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 11:30am On Nov 28, 2013 |
Gombs: I don't think there's anything wrong with this thread and if u must be sincere u would acknowledge that. Check the post again, have i used any foul words? have i ignored any post to just keep posting rubbish? Not only that i'm afraid of being banned bt I knw that i will err if i should start behaving the way u guys do in Islam for Muslims. Gombs: I want the whole humanity to make heaven. Gombs:This ^^^ is called slandering and it attracts a heavy punishment even under constitutional law. I'll defend it with a very strong evidence as much as i'll defend Lot's alleged ince.stious relationship with his daugters. and if i win the case, u knw that under the law a slanderer wouldn't go unpunished. Justice must be implemented on the blackmailers. Gombs:They must have decisively won the case b4 implementing a justice. Gombs: Brother, from nairaland to the street? Aba, Nairalanders whether muslim or non-muslim are peaceful fellow. one thing about Muslims is that if a muslim sees a wrong thing, he should correct it with 1. His hands, if he is capable of doing so. if he is not capable of using his hands, then 2. His mouth, and if he is nt capable of using his mouth to denounce wrong things. then 3. His mind, a muslim incapable of using the two above should quickly use his mind to reject a wrong thing so that he doesn't become one of them. These three methods are applicable in different ways, places at different time. U can bring out ur own notion on the subject bt remember that u may be wrong. Gombs: Who told u that i don't believe in Jesus(as)? and which question have u answered? instead of u to answer a question, what were u doing? didn't i tell u to ask ur own questions? We're nt exchange blows bt words, nt to deface one another bt to teach. Gombs:Do u worry when a marmon friend tell u that Mary was nt a virgin? If i should ask u about Church father, i can predict what u've to say about them. Bt u've never sit down to research and think about the issue of "God the Son". If u must be realistic, u'll knw that there is no verse in the bible that support trinity. There was never something like trinity until the late 2nd century when Church Fathers started abolishing the "Apostolic Creed" to replace it with "Christian Creed" which was later formalized in the fourth century. This Creed of Jesus' Apostles did nt attribute an atom of Divinity to Jesus. which means if u're to be following the true christians, u wouldn't deviate from the doctrines to adopt that of heretic Church fathers. Honestly, there is very far difference between non-trinitarian christians and trinitarians, the former is following the Jesus' Apostle while the latter is following the Church fathers. I'll acknowledge trinity if u can tell me that the church fathers have Holy spirit which the Apostles did not have. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_the_Father -- http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers Gombs:Read the link about God the Father, u'll see that the father is a mere metaphorical word used by the jews in those years. Those church fathers only snatch the word and repackaged it into their pagan doctrines. 4 Likes |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 11:36am On Nov 28, 2013 |
Gombs:what is impossibity? Marmons said Mary was nt a virgin and that God had *** with her, so are u supporting the notion or what? Gombs:We are all His words in flesh. Miracles occured in the creation of Eve out of a man, the conception of a child by an aged barrens, cenception of a child by a virgin. And do u think a child borne today is nt a word of God? 1 Like |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 11:44am On Nov 28, 2013 |
RedReact: Whott'? u'd better hold ur steering wella. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by macof(m): 1:18pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
stan4b: All I know is,Jesus is a Son of God.True the children of God are Gods just like we preach in Pagan spiritualities but Gods dont have organic features, they dont walk with legs and rid donkeys. Gods are Energies responsible for Nature. Mountain God, Moon God, Lightening God, sea God, Sky God, Forest God etc these are forces of nature that certain Conscious energies control and sustain. These Conscious energies are Gods. All these stories u hear of Gods with physic are just personifications given by humans in order to understand this Forces better. So Jesus is not God, or a God(god) He is a dead man whose Soul is probably resting in heaven and sorry for the confusion of the world |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by Mintayo(m): 5:37pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
Muslims stop worshipping a moon god,stop circling some pagan hills...stop stoning the devil(d devil is a spirit,i am sure he laffs at ur ignorance). Stop circling a pagan kabba, stop revering an arab man who is a padophile, a rap.ist,an armed robber, an epileptic, a cheat(who married is adopted son's wife), a lie, a thief...a word is enouh for the wise. Instead be renewed and accept salvation tru Christ Jesus.  .1 Like |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by macof(m): 9:25pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
Mintayo: Muslims stop worshipping a moon god,stop circling some pagan hills...stop stoning the devil(d devil is a spirit,i am sure he laffs at ur ignorance). Hypocrite, you have no right to condemn muslims for their beliefs because u all are shamelessly the same. You worship a mountain God, they worship a moon God so wats the difference? The problems u people have is that you disregard ur gracious ancestors and slave urselves to Arabs and Jews. Smh Shameless lost souls |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by Nobody: 9:32pm On Nov 28, 2013 |
Mintayo: Muslims stop worshipping a moon god,stop circling some pagan hills...stop stoning the devil(d devil is a spirit,i am sure he laffs at ur ignorance). And yet you believe someone died for your sins. You celebrate Christmas is if truly ur jesus was born on that day. Is it not the same shit,different toilet? You are pointing a fingered while the rest points back at you. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 6:13pm On Nov 29, 2013 |
Mintayo: Why wasting ur data to no avail? i said u should come and defend ur pagan belief while i should defend mine, and here u're just behaving like uncommon animal. I'm very sure that u've gone through my posts over there and think this's beyond u. if nt, come back here to tell me that Allah and other things u said is as true as u said it in an objective manner. Human beings always think they are the wisest in their state of ignorance. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 2:20pm On Dec 01, 2013 |
 Is Mintayo afraid this is serious  Xmas is on the way and i'm quite sure that u're aware of its origin (pagan) but that devil in ur heart will just keep pushing u. But why don't u just come here to discuss Xmas, Esther, 1/1 whatelse and choose Muslims Eids (Festivals) or anything else with me. Who knws may be that devil would be cast away forever. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by Rilwayne001: 3:45pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
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| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by Anas09: 9:55pm On Jul 03, 2015 |
Please brthren, brethren. It pains me when we gather around here and give explanations to this reprobates. I'll please admonish that we toatally IGNORE this folk. First off, this guy is not intelligent, and he is here hoping to trash the very Jesus that in their book of Fables Isa holds higher grounds than Mohammed. Let's just IGNORE people like this, they don't matter. 2 Likes |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 1:56am On Nov 14, 2015 |
Anas09:Take some pill. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 1:59am On Nov 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:Bro... Longest time. how are you? |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by Rilwayne001: 2:23am On Nov 14, 2015 |
harbiola1: Wow! I am fine my dear brother. Are you back in full? |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by harbiola1(m): 7:25am On Nov 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:Happy to hear that. I've been back for some months now, with new acct and low profile. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by Rilwayne001: 9:02am On Nov 14, 2015 |
harbiola1: Great! Which account is that? |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by maverickboy: 12:04pm On Nov 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:This. I don't think you have come across it before now, It's somewhat quiet. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by Rilwayne001: 12:52pm On Nov 14, 2015 |
maverickboy: I definitely have, eveñ tho I didn't know that you were the one.. happy to see you again my dear brother / my mentor  Hope all is well with you sir? |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by Richirich713: 2:31pm On Nov 14, 2015 |
If jesus was just a metaphorical son and was a Muslim. I wud love to see anywhere in Islam where anyone is called a son of Allah metaphorically. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by maverickboy: 8:44pm On Nov 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:Astagfurllah! your level of steadfastness in Deen is what I still look forward to achieving. May Allah continue to increase you in Iman. All is well sir!!! |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by Rilwayne001: 9:15pm On Nov 14, 2015 |
maverickboy: Its the other way round sir. Your enormous contribution back then really had a lot of valuable impact in my life as a muslim. May Allah continue to increase you in Iman. Amen my dear brother.. |
| Re: Christians Won't U Stop Worshiping A Metaphorical Son? by smemud(m): 10:27pm On Nov 14, 2015 |
okeyxyz:very stupid reply,u are fool 4 ur response.How will compare father and son qualities,It shows u have no thinking ability. |
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