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jcross19:
what you posted is more than allah wisdom like what I said how can christ give life to clay and the clay became a living thing but you said he can't do anything on HIS own yes you are right is in God and God is in him automatically is God in flesh then tell me from the book of your poems is there any prophet that have done what isa masi did ?

Demmzy15:
*yawns*

Sha show me were the Quran said we should take Jesus as our god and savior. Shikena!

Demmzy15:
I allergic to trash, so you have to write reasonably!

jcross19:
he was called isa masi then tell me the meaning of that masi?

jcross19:
ah sorry, is because i have low iq and poor reason stability.

Demmzy15:
No be only 'masi' na 'masa' wey hausa people dey chop!

Demmzy15:
Fixed!because am poor to understand things am sorry.

Demmzy15:
Really?! let's see!

Let's see your gibberish explanations!

Correct!

Let me nice with you, they were confused the same way you are now and they inquired for explanations. They wanted to know more, not that they were trying to discredit the Prophet. The Christians of Najran have always been friends of Muslims, in fact the Muslims had few dealing with them.

What are you saying or are you deliberately blocking your brain from comprehending this hadith?! Lemme give you an example:my father who is a Muslim, his name is Zakariyyah. He gave birth to me and named me Muhammad and by junior brothers Yahya and Rilwan. So if my junior offends an Imam and the Imam exclaims "Why did you do it O Son of Zakariyyah" does this mean he is referring to Yahya Ibn Zakariyyah(John The Baptist) in the Quran?! Because my junior brother bears the same name with islamic John The Baptist! Hope you get it now, the people of old and probably now named their children after pious men and women!

Remember that little is known about Mary in the Bible, so if the bible didn't mention this that doesn't mean the Quran is wrong!

jcross19:
good now you are talking.

malvisguy212:
don't behave like him, what he was doing is a fraud, editing people post.

Demmzy15 may God forgive you for this evil.

malvisguy212:
you are Not making sense at all, infacte the first muslim brother that coment make a lot of sense than you do. Is it biblical to worship Mary ? Catholic worship Mary or not is none of my business. The quran say:
Surah 5:Verse 116, And behold!
Allah will say: O Jesus the son of Mary!
Didst thou say unto men, "WORSHIP ME
AND MY MOTHER as gods ........?

All what we need to do now is to do some searching,did Jesus say we should worship Mary? Jesus in the bible never for once ask anybody to worship Mary , where did this idea came from ? It is very clear , muhammed was GREATLY influence by some christians teaching heresy.hence the question, were did this idea came from ?

jcross19:
he was called isa masi then tell me the meaning of that masi?

jcross19:
[s] what you posted is more than allah wisdom [/s] like what I said how can christ give life to clay and the clay became a living thing but you said he can't do anything on HIS own yes you are right is in God and God is in him automatically is God in flesh then tell me from the book of your poems is there any prophet that have done what isa masi did ?

jcross19:
I asked simple question who is authorise to give life? Is there any man that can turn non living thing to living thing? Even your book of poems can't deny His authority. Through the same jesus allah the demon was made .

Rilwayne001:
Well, a staff is a non-living thing and Musa turned it to a living snake.

Rilwayne001:
Nevertheless, catholics in one way or the other worship him. And catholics as we all know is the largest christian sect in the world. Therefore, your useless thread has been debunked.

jcross19:
he turn staff to a snake then back to the staff

and he was instructed by God

but jesus only breath into clay and a clay to a living thing,

no where in your koran that say the living thing turn to clay again then my question is this?

Who can give life?

Don't compare moses here.

malvisguy212:
Are you not educated ?

Is Jesus the one say catholic should worship Mary ?

Beside catholic will never agreed they worship Mary.

Just like you muslims. You will never agreed you worship the black stone.

Rilwayne001:
The point has been made. Whether the snake turned back to staff again is not necessary. Your question was 'has anyone turned a non-living thing to a living thing'. Well, Moses did it and that is final.



Was jesus acting on his own behalf? Was he not instructed by God to do al that he did?

The verse says: "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's leave: So, my question is, Did jesus performed the miracle on his own?



Does it matter?



[b] Only GOD can give life. Even the verse you are banking on makes us understand that with ALLAH all things is possible

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 110:
When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;

Even Jesus in the bible confessed that he can't do ANYTHING on his own. So, why are you attributing to him to what he can't do? [/b]



Moses turned his staff to a live snake by Allah's permission.

jcross19:
allah and God are different thing entirely,

am talking about the living God not allah.

If jesus can make a bird made of clay to become living by his breath then it means jesus and God share thesame power because allah made first man from clay and breath into him, then if jesus can dp thesame to a bird it means he can mould a man from clay like that of bird and it will turn to living being.

Its funny when you are writing english and you substitute the word "GOD" with your own dialect . Does it make sense . If you want to write arabic then write everything in arabic but adding arabic word into english something is wrong somewhere. Example. Olodumare is great it make sense?. Think wisely sir.

Rilwayne001:
Can you lay emphasy on their differences?



BS. Allah is the living GOD.




It is either you are plain dumb or you are outrightly deluded. First of all, I have cleared this up there, why are you repeating it again? It is obvious Jesus can't do anything on his own, he confessed that fact to the in the bible, didn't he? please answer me.
The Quran also made it clear that all the sign and miracle he did are made possible by the permission of GOD and not by himself.
Can you give Moses the credit for parting the red sea? who made ot happen if not GOD?

Secondly, you don't believe the Quran, so why are you banking on this miracle? is there anywhere in the bible that Jesus was said to have done this miracle?



BS. I write anyhow I like. And i'm writing like that to make illiterate like you comprehend my explanation easily. Alas, not yielding desired intention..
Whats wrong in code-mixing?

jcross19:
"k" according to your signature.

Rilwayne001:
Nevertheless, catholics in one way or the other worship him. And catholics as we all know is the largest christian sect in the world. Therefore, your useless thread has been debunked.

C. H. H. Wright & C. Neil (Editors), A Protestant Dictionary, 1904, Hodder & Stoughton, London, p. 390 (Under "Mary, The Virgin".

Rilwayne001:
Truth is bitter, isn't it?

malvisguy212:
[s]don't behave like him, what he was doing is a fraud, editing people post.

Demmzy15 may God forgive you for this evil.[/s]

malvisguy212:
listen!! Even uptil this days, people never referred to the old days saint's as 'sisters " and "brothers" this the arab christians knew very well ,

Here is the issue: was Muhammad
confused about Mary's identify, or was
Mary really identified with and
metaphorically called "sister of Aaron"?

For the people to object of muhammed calling the old saint's " sister" indicate they knew their scripture. And when muhammed was ask to explained,he said this idea was done by the pious people of the "old age", i.e. people who lived during Mary's time. But the Arab christians did not accepts it.

Further more, when the quran is talking about " sister" and "brother" it mean close relationship, why do you want to twist that of Mary? Apart from Mary, who again is reffere by this title? Or is Aaron the only saint?

I'll also note that Aaron is mentioned
about 20 times in the Quran. ONLY Mary is called "sister of Aaron" after him. Moses is mentioned I would say about 150 times, more or less. In no instance, is anyone called, "brother or sister of Moses" metaphorically. Only Mary , WHY ?

I want you to read your answer and comperd it with the muhammed gave the Arab muslims who came to ask him the same question. What you are explaining is different from what muhammed explained. So you are dead wrong.

jcross19:
in full isa masi . Can you see yourself when they ask you to be going to islamic school but you refused see the result . Bros one of your brother have given me the meaning on here and you are reading from thesame book.

jcross19:
good now you are talking.

jcross19:
you tend to twist your koran to suit your motive and I can't help than to bow out.

Demmzy15:
Bros I saved a page sometimes back, I knew people like this malvisguy212 would bring up gibberish points. A group of Arabia Christians worshipped Mary and even some Christian saints wrote letters warning them!

"The Christians of the seventh century had insensibly relapsed into a semblance of paganism: their public and private vows were addressed to the relics and images that disgraced the temples of the East: the throne of the Almighty was darkened by the clouds of martyrs, and saints, and angels, the objects of popular veneration; and the Collyridian heretics, who flourished in the fruitful soil of Arabia, invested the Virgin Mary with the name and honours of a goddess."

-E. Gibbon, The History of The Decline & Fall Of The Roman Empire, 1994, Penguin Books, p. 177.

There existed a sect in Arabia that worshipped Mary as god and included her in the in trinity.

Also,

St. Epiphanius, Bishop of Constantia, in Cyprus, writing in the fourth century against the Collyridians, says:
"After this a heresy appeared, which we have already mentioned slightly by means of the letter written in Arabia about Mary. And this heresy was again made public in Arabia from Thrace and the upper parts of Scythia, and was brought to our ears, which to men of understanding will be found ridiculous and laughable. We will begin to trace it out, and to relate concerning it. It will be judged (to partake of) silliness rather than of sense, as is the case with other like it. For, as formerly, out of insolence towards Mary, those whose opinions were such sowed hurtful ideas in the reflexions of men, so otherwise these, leaning to the other side, fall into the utmost harm...... For the harm is equal in both these heresies, the one belittling the holy Virgin, the other again glorifying her over-much. For who should it be that teach thus but women? for the race of women is slippery, fallible, and humble-minded...... For some women deck out a koutrkon that is to say, a square stool, spreading upon it a linen cloth, on some solemn day of the year, for some days they lay out bread, and offer it in the name of Mary. All the women partake of the bread, as we related in the letter to Arabia, writing partly about that...... Yea, verily, the body of Mary was holy, but was surely not God. Verily, the Virgin was a virgin, and was honoured, but was not given to us to worship; but she worships Him who was born from her according to the flesh, having come from heaven out of the Father's bosom......"

- C. H. H. Wright & C. Neil (Editors), A Protestant Dictionary, 1904, Hodder & Stoughton, London, p. 390 (Under "Mary, The Virgin".

Demmzy15:
If a brother gave you the answer, why asking again?! I don't even know what 'masi' abi na 'masa' mean sef!

jcross19:
he was called isa masi then tell me the meaning of that masi?