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Iceflox:
they shall speak in new tongues is not speaking. graggogodifidididododo!
they shall speak in new tongues means that people who speak Hausa will find themselves speaking igbo, and Yoruba speaking Spanish etc.as it happened on pentecost .
This was to help spread the Gospel

Lemme deal with language..
read line upon line,precept upon precept.read with patience.read inbtwn lines

Acts2:4 and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost and began to Speak with other tongues,as the spirit gave them utterance.

The word "other" used in this verse,when i checked the greek,
The word "other" is the greek word "heteros".
"heteros" means "of uncertain affinity;strange"


Also from Isaiah's prophecy
Isaiah28:11- "for with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people"

The word stammering used here in the Hebrew means UNINTELLIGIBLE,
while the word another means strange and different

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe;In my name shall they cast out devils;they shall speak with NEW tongues.
When i checked the word "new"in the Greek. The word is KAINOS
"Kainos" means according to
1)Strong dictionaries
"of Uncertain affinity:new(especially in freshness)"
2)Thayer dictionaries
"fresh,unused,a new kind,unheard of"
3)Wordstudy dictionaries
"Newly made"
Note: NO ACCOUNT ever refer to tongues as some other language belonging to another culture different from the speak! Paul settles this with a well laid out explanation.

1cor14:2:- For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men,but unto God:FOR NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM/b];howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

Something else to note
Acts2:13:- Other mocking said,
[b] These men are full of new wine..
lets analyse this statement.
Other said those people speaking with tongues are drunk(full of wine)..
Lets do simple analysis.
In which of these scenarios will someone say you are drunk.
1)You are speaking another man's language fluently or
2)You are just speaking gibberish,unconstructed statements,unintelligible words.
Obviously the answer is Option 2. Because wine cannot make you speak another man's language with respect to the Observers comment in this verse.

PROPHETmichael:
This shouldn't surprise you or make you to forfeit your God given inheritance as you were warned ahead of time that you should be careful of "wolves in sheep's clothing" Matthew 7:15

My God given inheritance according to Christ,the Apostles and the Prophets is "The Gift of the Holy Spirit who is the gaurantee of my inheritance till I acquire the possession of it". God has given me the Holy Spirit as a gift at Salvation and the Holy Spirit distribute Gifts according to his own will.So who am I to protest if I do not speak shiroboborabomarae? Because The Holy Spirit has given me the greatest gift of all "The Gift of Worshipping his Majesty" A gift the angels have and they never need.

Now one might say "These signs shall accompany those who believes in me in my name they shall cast out demons,they shall speak in new tongues,they shall later their hands on the sick and they shall recover" But I ask you how many demons have you casted out? How many people have you healed of madness? Since you take they shall speak in new tongues as sign that accompany all believers?

Do not Let us be babes in our thinking but be mature.The phrase "Those who believe in my name" goes beyond confessing Christ as Lord. It is believing without doubt that the name of the Son of God is powerful and that He is always faithful to his word hence you can say "in Jesus name" because you have Faith in his name to do whatever you ask. Same way you can go into an unknown land without bothering about their language cos he says am with you till the close of the age.

You know once there was a Christain brother who went to witness to a Spanish guy.... apparently he can't speak Spanish but only English. He went with his friend and he relayed his message to the Spanish guy in English but both his friend and the Spanish guy heard it as Spanish.So on their way home his friend said, "So you can speak Spanish fluently?"

My brother in laying emphasis on speaking in tongues because a doctrine lay emphasis on will only make the church stagnant.For example, the gift of worship is not listed in the Bible but who can deny this gift in Don Moen? We tend to limit the Riches of God by our own understanding. Christains today have the Holy Spirit but because they don't shiroboborabomarae the church believe they don't have the Holy Spirit thereby making them unaware of the gifts of the Spirit in them.

Let's leave the elementary doctrines of Christ and go into more Higher level of Spiritual understanding. God bless the Church.

starlingslimnet:
You know sometimes ago....I met this Christain sister she speaks in tongue so much you had wonder what a gift she has....but she had four bf.... She still speaks in tongue... she told me about her spiritual life I advice and counsel her....and what do I get? she fell in love with me and ask if I can be his boyfriend...... she still speaks in tongue...... I told her No and what happened? she declared she hates me......she is still speaking in tongue.

You see my brother she speaks shiroboborabomarae after hating and being in malice with a being Christ died for. If praying in tongue is speaking in a language no one understand... if it is the Spirit explaining and supplicating on our behalf to God then she won't be hating one who Christ died for.

She speaks shiroboborabomarae and still hate me.....don't you think by saying shiroboborabomarae she should be restored to Spiritual line according to you?

Satan has deceived many with fake gifts. he can make a counterfeit of the gifts of the Spirit but he cannot make a counterfeit of the Fruits of the Fruits.

Christ speaks of the Fruit and has not in any time speak of the gifts as a prerequisite of you having the Holy Spirit.The Apostles laid emphasis on the fruits

But in any case my brother what is important is whatever your gifts are use in building the Church of God.

this guy you need to learn salvation from the scratch....there is a lot you need to learn..
firstly,the gift of God is unconditional,No man,nobody merits the gift it was freely given,it is not a function of your works or conduct or who you are or what you do.It is the Gift of God..
God will only give his Spirit to Sinners,so as to get them saved.

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

[quote author=sportsmaster post=36058080][/quote]On the day of Pentecost there are two categories of people present in the scene:

1. Those who The Language or tongue the Apostles speak happens to be their native language.

2. And those who could not comprehend wharf the Apostles are saying because they do not belong to the languages the Apostles are speaking while at the same time this language is sensible to group one.

So when you are saying shiroboborabomarae if there is someone who belongs to category one in your congregation he will see it as his language because you are speaking in his tongue but if others belong to category two they will see is as unknown tongue because it's nor their language.

To this end the Scripture says speaking in tongues is sign for the unbelievers....that God is able to reach them in their own language through someone who is not a native of their town.

You see my brother anybody who understand the secrets Truth of the Bible will understand the insight I have given in this post..and Let the issue rest.

starlingslimnet:
On the day of Pentecost there are two categories of people present in the scene:

1. Those who The Language or tongue the Apostles speak happens to be their native language.

2. And those who could not comprehend wharf the Apostles are saying because they do not belong to the languages the Apostles are speaking while at the same time this language is sensible to group one.

So when you are saying shiroboborabomarae if there is someone who belongs to category one in your congregation he will see it as his language because you are speaking in his tongue but if others belong to category two they will see is as unknown tongue because it's nor their language.

To this end the Scripture says speaking in tongues is sign for the unbelievers....that God is able to reach them in their own language through someone who is not a native of their town.



You see my brother anybody who understand the secrets Truth of the Bible will understand the insight I have given in this post..and Let the issue rest.

oya explain MARK16:16-17.
your problem is no doubt UNBELIEF.

starlingslimnet:
My God given inheritance according to Christ,the Apostles and the Prophets is "The Gift of the Holy Spirit who is the gaurantee of my inheritance till I acquire the possession of it". God has given me the Holy Spirit as a gift at Salvation and the Holy Spirit distribute Gifts according to his own will.So who am I to protest if I do not speak shiroboborabomarae? Because The Holy Spirit has given me the greatest gift of all "The Gift of Worshipping his Majesty" A gift the angels have and they never need.

You as a chorister should know by now that to WORSHIP God is a privilege....... Anyway, that's a topic for another day, if God willing, i'll deal on that subject matter

Am sorry to say but you don't have the gift(s) of Holy spirit and so therefore, you don't have the Holy spirit in you because to despise speaking in tongues is to despise the Holy Spirit for the proved that you are filled with the Holy Spirit is that you speak with other tongues as it is written, And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4

Also, HOW CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THE "HIGHER LEVEL OF SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING when you have not yet mastered or understands "the elementary doctrines of Christ? That's like saying a doctor should go and carry out surgery when he is not yet qualified to be a surgeon, death is inevitable.

sportsmaster:
this guy you need to learn salvation from the scratch....there is a lot you need to learn..
firstly,the gift of God is unconditional,No man,nobody merits the gift it was freely given,it is not a function of your works or conduct or who you are or what you do.It is the Gift of God..
God will only give his Spirit to Sinners,so as to get them saved.

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

And Salvation has nothing to do with the gifts of the Spirit but everything to with the Gift of the Spirit.

Apparently you one don't Learn about salvation you receive it.Only church dogma says Salvation is learnt or you learn about salvation.... you don't learn it you experience and have it.

What I see thus far is in your writings is Pentecostal dogma....your style of writing.... furnishing your writing with Scriptures you don't have a clue about is typical of doctrinated Christains....

Like I said this is not worth quibbling over.... I have my Spiritual gifts which I received from the Holy Spirit and you have yours...make use of it and Stop futile argument.

Moreover test everything and hold to that which is Truth.And Study to show yourself approved a workman that needed not to be ashamed rightly handling the word of Truth.

Looking forward to seeing you in the need heaven and earth.God bless.

starlingslimnet:
And Salvation has nothing to do with the gifts of the Spirit but everything to with the Gift of the Spirit.

Apparently you one don't Learn about salvation you receive it.Only church dogma says Salvation is learnt or you learn about salvation.... you don't learn it you experience and have it.

What I see thus far is in your writings is Pentecostal dogma....your style of writing.... furnishing your writing with Scriptures you don't have a clue about is typical of doctrinated Christains....

Like I said this is not worth quibbling over.... I have my Spiritual gifts which I received from the Holy Spirit and you have yours...make use of it and Stop futile argument.

Moreover test everything and hold to that which is Truth.And Study to show yourself approved a workman that needed not to be ashamed rightly handling the word of Truth.

Looking forward to seeing you in the need heaven and earth.God bless.

dont be ignorant bro.if i dont take my time
to learn salvation and other bible subjects,how will i be able to teach others effectively?.
A believer is admonished to teach others.
1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

paul had a major teaching ministry.he kept on teaching and teaching people.
then i suggest that you should tell paul not to teach salvation .

Did you read that the gift of God is eternal Life.
i dont know why ypu choose to remain in LIE when the TRUTH has been clearly revealed to YOU

PROPHETmichael:
Am sorry to say but you don't have the gift(s) of Holy spirit and so therefore, you don't have the Holy spirit in you because to despise speaking in tongues is to despise the Holy Spirit for the proved that you are filled with the Holy Spirit is that you speak with other tongues as it is written, And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4

Also, HOW CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THE "HIGHER LEVEL OF SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING when you have not yet mastered or understands "the elementary doctrines of Christ? That's like saying a doctor should go and carry out surgery when he is not qualified to be a surgeon, death is inevitable.

I asked you a question but you kept quiet on it.

"And the Holy Spirit whom God has given to all who obey him" Now I obeyed God by believing Christ is my Saviour.And from the above I have the Holy Spirit. Moreover the Holy Spirit is given at Salvation.

Do I despise speaking in tongue? what will you say of Apostle Paul when he said "If there is no one who can interprete his tongue then Let him shut up" Doesn't it seems to contradicts his words when he said "Do not forbid speaking in tongues"?

Christ was reported filled with the Holy Spirit yet he didn't speak in tongues.....Stephen was reported being filled with the Holy Spirit before he gazed up to heaven yet he didn't speak in tongues.....the Disciples were reported filled with the Spirit after praying for boldness yet they didn't speak in tongues...Peter was reported filled with the Spirit before the Pharisees yet we did not hear him speaking in tongues .Can you see scriptures that contradicts your. claims in the post above that "You speak in tongues when filled with the Spirit"? For I have given you 4 cases out of countless of places where people were filled with the Spirit and yet did not speak in tongues.

Now who contradicts himself you or I? Who lacks elementary understanding of Christ you or I?

You avoid my question on the Promise God made because your answer will simply contradicts all you have written from the beginning of this topic.But it gives me no joy to expose fellow Christain ignorance.. So I will say Go and Study.

sportsmaster:
dont be ignorant bro.if i dont take my time
to learn salvation and other bible subjects,how will i be able to teach others effectively?.
A believer is admonished to teach others.
1Co 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

paul had a major teaching ministry.he kept on teaching and teaching people.
then i suggest that you should tell paul not to teach salvation .

Did you read that the gift of God is eternal Life.
i dont know why ypu choose to remain in LIE when the TRUTH has been clearly revealed to YOU

You said "I should learn about Salvation" Now give a Scripture which says Salvation can be learned.

PROPHETmichael:
You as a chorister should know by now that to WORSHIP God is a privilege....... Anyway, that's a topic for another day, if God willing, i'll deal on that subject matter

Sorry brother I never said am a Chorister I only said I have The Gift of Worship and that is totally different from being a chorister.

starlingslimnet:
You said "I should learn about Salvation" Now give a Scripture which says Salvation can be learned.

you were admonished to teach others right?,Matt28
how will you teach what you dont know?
or why do you study the bible? .
the problem is that you hate and despise the gift of the Spirit.you so so despise tongues.
i have several of your posts on threads related to tongues.

Mark16:16-17,clearly explains it.
if you dont speak with tongues,it's either you are ignorant of it or you are an unbeliever.

sportsmaster:
oya explain MARK16:16-17.
your problem is no doubt UNBELIEF.

Have explained it in response to someone ....kindly look over the thread... and do answer the question I posted under it.

starlingslimnet:
I have my Spiritual gifts which I received from the Holy Spirit and you have yours...make use of it and Stop futile argument.

TO DISAGREE WITH THE WORD IS TO DISAGREE WITH GOD, for God and His Word are one! Wherefore, to disagree with the Word on any issue is

to set yourself up for inevitable destruction. As it is written, "Whoso despiseth the Word shall be destroyed" (Prov. 13:13). To despise speaking in

tongues is to despise the Holy Spirit; to despise the Holy Spirit is to reject him and to sing songs without the dwelling of the Holy spirit makes one

a Lil Wayne and to be a Lil Wayne is for your songs to be dropping at Illuminati's altar instead of sanctum sanctorum.

So brother, Have the wisdom to simply agree with the Word of God at all times.

sportsmaster:
you were admonished to teach others right?,Matt28
how will you teach what you dont know?
or why do you study the bible? .
the problem is that you hate and despise the gift of the Spirit.you so so despise tongues.
i have several of your posts on threads related to tongues.

Mark16:16-17,clearly explains it.
if you dont speak with tongues,it's either you are ignorant of it or you are an unbeliever.

Firstly you make a wrong acclamation I didn't hate the gift of the Spirit cos the gift of the Spirit is Salvation which us clearly different from what I presume you want to write: the gifts of the Spirit(note the 's') cos I have a Spiritual gift also and mine is gift of worship.Despise Speaking in tongues? Why should I?

Among Mark 16:16-17 lay three things if according to you show you as a believer which are: Casting out demons,Speaking in tongues and healing the sick. So Let me ask how many demons have you casted out? None? Then according to you you are an unbeliever.How many People have you healed of simple headache? None? Then according to you you are an unbeliever the same someone who does not speak in tongue according to you is an unbelievable.

When I say study to show yourself approved am telling you you don't just accept every garbage cooked up by your church doctrines you judge them with the Scripture to see if they passed the test. I say again Go and Study.

starlingslimnet:
Have explained it in response to someone ....kindly look over the thread... and do answer the question I posted under it.

repost your question here.
i got your time tonite,

starlingslimnet:
Have explained it in response to someone ....kindly look over the thread... and do answer the question I posted under it.

repost your explanation and question here.
i got your time tonite,

starlingslimnet:
I asked you a question but you kept quiet on it.

"And the Holy Spirit whom God has given to all who obey him" Now I obeyed God by believing Christ is my Saviour.And from the above I have the Holy Spirit. Moreover the Holy Spirit is given at Salvation.

Do I despise speaking in tongue? what will you say of Apostle Paul when he said "If there is no one who can interprete his tongue then Let him shut up" Doesn't it seems to contradicts his words when he said "Do not forbid speaking in tongues"?

Christ was reported filled with the Holy Spirit yet he didn't speak in tongues.....Stephen was reported being filled with the Holy Spirit before he gazed up to heaven yet he didn't speak in tongues.....the Disciples were reported filled with the Spirit after praying for boldness yet they didn't speak in tongues...Peter was reported filled with the Spirit before the Pharisees yet we did not hear him speaking in tongues .Can you see scriptures that contradicts your. claims in the post above that "You speak in tongues when filled with the Spirit"? For I have given you 4 cases out of countless of places where people were filled with the Spirit and yet did not speak in tongues.

Now who contradicts himself you or I? Who lacks elementary understanding of Christ you or I?

You avoid my question on the Promise God made because your answer will simply contradicts all you have written from the beginning of this topic.But it gives me no joy to expose fellow Christain ignorance.. So I will say Go and Study.

Sportsmaster already dealt with it hence there was no point me answering it.

starlingslimnet:
Firstly you make a wrong acclamation I didn't hate the gift of the Spirit cos the gift of the Spirit is Salvation which us clearly different from what I presume you want to write: the gifts of the Spirit(note the 's') cos I have a Spiritual gift also and mine is gift of worship.Despise Speaking in tongues? Why should I?

Among Mark 16:16-17 lay three things if according to you show you as a believer which are: Casting out demons,Speaking in tongues and healing the sick. So Let me ask how many demons have you casted out? None? Then according to you you are an unbeliever.How many People have you healed of simple headache? None? Then according to you you are an unbeliever the same someone who does not speak in tongue according to you is an unbelievable.

When I say study to show yourself approved am telling you you don't just accept every garbage cooked up by your church doctrines you judge them with the Scripture to see if they passed the test. I say again Go and Study.

before you misquote me,i said if you dont speak with tongues ,its either you are ignorant or an unbeliever.
in your own case,its UNBELIEF because you know the truth and you choose to remain in LIES
i have healed several headaches,i have opened deaf ears once,i am yet to encounter a demon,i speak with tongues,i give interpretation too,which some people term as prophesying.

PROPHETmichael:
TO DISAGREE WITH THE WORD IS TO DISAGREE WITH GOD, for God and His Word are one! Wherefore, to disagree with the Word on any issue is

to set yourself up for inevitable destruction. As it is written, "Whoso despiseth the Word shall be destroyed" (Prov. 13:13). To despise speaking in

tongues is to despise the Holy Spirit; to despise the Holy Spirit is to reject him and to sing songs without the dwelling of the Holy spirit makes one

a Lil Wayne and to be a Lil Wayne is for your songs to be dropping at Illuminati's altar instead of sanctum sanctorum.

So brother, Have the wisdom to simply agree with the Word of God at all times.

You see brother wait till any brother views this thread to see who is wrong and disagrees with the Scripture.

If I sings God descends because am not singing songs I formed by intelligence but Songs filled with the word of God from the Throne of Grace...When I sing there is healing and blessings, people are drawn to worship God with their heart and soul.God give it to me and I am grateful to him.

You accuse me of despising speaking in tongues now show yee the viewers and readers where exactly in my post I said that.

sportsmaster:
i have healed several headaches,i have opened deaf ears once,i am yet to encounter a demon,i speak with tongues,i give interpretation too,which some people term as prophesying.

You are yet to encounter a demon you say? Now that is a blatant lie!! Are you telling me you have not seen a mad person before? Don't you see demons are living in them? Why don't you cast them out? With this you must be an unbeliever!!

Let brethens visit this thread for review only then you will see your ignorance

PROPHETmichael:
Sportsmaster already dealt with it hence there was no point me answering it.

He didn't.... or I didn't see it....you might post it here for me to see... or in case you mistook the question for another here it is again.

What Promise did Apostle Peter say is an inheritance for the people? The Gift of the Spirit or the Gifts of the Spirit?

sportsmaster:
before you misquote me,i said if you dont speak with tongues ,its either you are ignorant or an unbeliever.
in your own case,its UNBELIEF because you know the truth and you choose to remain in LIES
i have healed several headaches,i have opened deaf ears once,i am yet to encounter a demon,i speak with tongues,i give interpretation too,which some people term as prophesying.

Haha see my brother changing voice...... Three things are involved if you don't do all the three you are either ignorant or an unbeliever.... If that be so 90% of your fellowship are in ignorance or unbeliever cos though they shiroboborabomarae they are not casting out demons or healing the sick cos if they are there will be no cripple person begging in the market for money...Will there?

starlingslimnet:
Speak with new tongues and pray in the Spirit you have misconstrued. I do not speak in tongue because am yet to minister to people of other language.... surely when I do I shall speak in a new tongue they understand.

Praying in the Spirit is not saying shiroboborabomarae but submitting and praying in Faith to God knowing you are heard and asking in the will of God.

Here again, You are wrong because praying in the spirit is to speak in tongues and not submitting and praying in faith to God knowing

you are heard and asking in the will of God. As it is written, "BUT LET HIM ASK IN FAITH, NOTHING WAVERING" (James. 1: 6 )! The miracle

that you prayed for some time ago was just about to show up at your doorstep--but you wavered. And the moment you wavered, you sabotaged

your blessing. It's not enough to ASK in faith; indeed, you must REMAIN in faith until the day your miracle arrives. And the way you remain in

faith is simply by giving God thanks each day for the answer to your prayer.

Indeed, "submitting and praying in Faith to God knowing you are heard and asking in the will of God" is to remain in faith by simply by

giving God thanks each day for the answer to your prayer until the day your miracle arrives.

KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!!!

starlingslimnet:
You are yet to encounter a demon you say? Now that is a blatant lie!! Are you telling me you have not seen a mad person before? Don't you see demons are living in them? Why don't you cast them out? With this you must be an unbeliever!!

Let brethens visit this thread for review only then you will see your ignorance

highly confused fellow.
you want me do a series on healing/demons/oppressions of the devil.?
your ignorance will not take you anywhere.
to despise the the redemptive realities in Christ to more or less to despise the Sacrifice/redemptive work of Christ.

all that God will do and has done In Christ is to give his spirit.

2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
2Co 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.


paul iterates later in this Epistle,that Christ is that Spirit

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

after the spirit was Given,the was outpouring and/or infilling which occurred, i acts 2 and it continued all along in the book of acts.
people received the Holy Ghost and spoke with tongues.

sportsmaster:
highly confused fellow.
you want me do a series on healing/demons/oppressions of the devil.?
your ignorance will not take you anywhere.
to despise the the redemptive realities in Christ to more or less to despise the Sacrifice/redemptive work of Christ.

all that God will do and has done In Christ is to give his spirit.

2Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
2Co 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.


paul iterates later in this Epistle,that Christ is that Spirit

2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

You know what you just quote Scriptures without an understanding of them.... you made a claim of people not manifesting those signs as being in ignorance or an unbeliever and you as a person has not cast out a single demon which of course is part of the sign that accompanies believers in Christ....it means Thus you are in ignorance and an unbeliever... cos that's what you claim for those who do not speak in tongues which also is one of the signs accompany believers in Christ...and you end up quoting passages upon passages to defend your contradictions.

starlingslimnet:
He didn't.... or I didn't see it....you might post it here for me to see... or in case you mistook the question for another here it is again.

What Promise did Apostle Peter say is an inheritance for the people? The Gift of the Spirit or the Gifts of the Spirit?

The promise was the Holy Spirit as it is written, "And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high." Luke 24:49 And the first gift a person receives out of the inheritance is the gift of speaking in tongues as it is written, And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4

PROPHETmichael:
Here again, You are wrong because praying in the spirit is to speak in tongues and not submitting and praying in faith to God knowing

you are heard and asking in the will of God. As it is written, "BUT LET HIM ASK IN FAITH, NOTHING WAVERING" (James. 1: 6 )! The miracle

that you prayed for some time ago was just about to show up at your doorstep--but you wavered. And the moment you wavered, you sabotaged

your blessing. It's not enough to ASK in faith; indeed, you must REMAIN in faith until the day your miracle arrives. And the way you remain in

faith is simply by giving God thanks each day for the answer to your prayer.

Indeed, "submitting and praying in Faith to God knowing you are heard and asking in the will of God" is to remain in faith by simply by

giving God thanks each day for the answer to your prayer until the day your miracle arrives.

KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!!!

haha my brother ..........if praying in Spirit is speaking in tongues then Worshipping in Spirit will be what? Dancing in tongues or singing in tongues? You have to grow bro.....you are contradicting yourself on and on and on.

You see.....you can go to your pastor or elders or anyone and asked him what does it mean to pray in the Spirit. You will be surprised The answer you will receive will have nothing to do with shiroboborabomarae....

starlingslimnet:
haha my brother ..........if praying in Spirit is speaking in tongues then Worshipping in Spirit will be what? Dancing in tongues or singing in tongues? You have to grow bro.....you are contradicting yourself on and on and on.

You see.....you can go to your pastor or elders or anyone and asked him what does it mean to pray in the Spirit. You will be surprised The answer you will receive will have nothing to do with shiroboborabomarae....

praying in the spirit is praying in tongues likewise singing in the spirit.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

if you cant see that from this verse,i wonder what you will see.

PROPHETmichael:
The promise was the Holy Spirit as it is written, "And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high." Luke 24:49

Meaning the Gift of the Spirit and not the gifts of the Spirit. The Scripture attested the early church have one thing in common which is the Gift of the Spirit(The Holy Spirit) and not the Gifts of the Spirit for their are variety of gifts.

The early Church have the Holy Spirit in common but never the gifts of the Spirit in common. Not all were healers(Even though it's signs that accompany believers) not all prophesy (Even when the promise says they shall prophecy) not all speak in tongues(Even though it's part of the sign that accompany the believers) but all have the Holy Spirit.


The emphasis Thus is on the Holy Spirit and not gifts that is given.

sportsmaster:
praying in the spirit is praying in tongues likewise singing in the spirit.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

if you cant see that from this verse,i wonder what you will see.

lol.....keep exposing your ignorance bro.....believers are coming to read....so when Christ said those who worship the Father shall worship in Spirit and In Truth.So the phrase "Worship in Spirit" according to you is shiroboborabomarae in tongues....for example Don Moen does not shiroboborabomarae when he leads people in worship so according to you they are not worshipping in Spirit since to Worship in Spirit you will have to shiroboborabomarae in your song.

starlingslimnet:
Meaning the Gift of the Spirit and not the gifts of the Spirit. The Scripture attested the early church have one thing in common which is the Gift of the Spirit(The Holy Spirit) and not the Gifts of the Spirit for their are variety of gifts.

The early Church have the Holy Spirit in common but never the gifts of the Spirit in common. Not all were healers(Even though it's signs that accompany believers) not all prophesy (Even when the promise says they shall prophecy) not all speak in tongues(Even though it's part of the sign that accompany the believers) but all have the Holy Spirit.


The emphasis Thus is on the Holy Spirit and not gifts that is given.

And the first gift a person receives out of the inheritance is the gift of speaking in tongues as it is written, And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4

There is noway you will have the Holy Ghost without speaking in tongues, "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call" (Acts 2:38).

The promise of the Father to gift everyone of His children with the ability to speak in an heavenly language (i.e. unknown tongues) by the power of the Spirit of God was made to the people who lived in the Apostolic Age.

And not only to them but also to their children.

And not only to their children but also to "all that are afar off."

You and I are those "that are afar off" to whom this promise also pertains being that we are now afar off in time from the day the apostle, Peter, spoke these words almost 2,000 years ago on the day of Pentecost.

Some years ago, at the close of praise and worship, an elderly woman in her 70s sitting on a front pew of the church stood up in the congregation and spoke in tongues.

No interpretation followed.

But later in that same service, when the pastor extended an altar call for people to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, a Jewish teenager sitting in the crowd (who had been invited to church that Sunday by one of his Christian schoolmates) walked down the aisle and gave his heart to the Lord.

At the end of the service, after being introduced to the pastor of the church, the Jewish adolescent asked the pastor how it was that the woman sitting in the front row knew who he was. After the pastor asked what he meant, the teenager went on to say that, when the woman stood up and spoke out at the end of praise and worship, she spoke the teenager's name aloud in perfect Hebrew, told him some personal things about his life, and told him that Jesus was the real Messiah and that God wanted him to give his life to Jesus that day. He went on to say that was the precise reason why he came up to the front of the church to be born again during the altar call. To which the pastor replied, "Why, son, that woman doesn't know any Hebrew. She only has a 4th grade education."

That was the gift of divers kinds of tongues in operation!

Not all have this gift. However, all Christians are offered by God the gift to speak in unknown tongues, which is a supernatural means by which you can communicate from your spirit with your heavenly Father (who is a Spirit) on a daily basis.

That is why the Word says, "I would that ye all spake with tongues" (1 Cor. 14:5). Are you now wiser than apostle Paul? Humble yourself and ask the father to give it unto you.