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ERODEDEAST:
Obama made his nomination within a month but Boo.hari nko? infact Op you goofed again jare just writing poo

barcanista:
Perhaps, he doesn't know the meaning of CABINET position. Hope you saw my response?

Already dealt with this earlier. The context is Obama took several months in having a full cabinet. Irrespective of how you see it, Buhari was right with this statement, is it applicable to the Nigerian situation a resounding yes if taken at face value.

barcanista:
Musiwax wrote

It us unfortunate that someone will hold on to this position. I mean a man than NOMINATED all his Cabinet Secretaries about a month to his FIRST inauguration (and a month after his victory)? As in were you expecting him not to wait for Senate's confirmation of the two Cabinet Secretaries that entered the fray when previous nominees pulled out? Do you even understand the process of appointing cabinet? For avoidance of doubt... The President(elect) first nominates, the Senate screens and approve and the candidate is Sworn-in. A serious President is judged by time of nomination and swearing-in (after senate confirmation). Obama nominated even before he assumed office. Has Buhari even nominated? September will make it 6 months since he was elected and 4 months after inauguration. Yet we are yet to see nomination. This is totally Different from Obama's case.

As for the other thrash, we are talking of Cabinet positions.

Pls, I won't engage in back and forth. Meanwhile, the ONLY vacant Cabinet position at the end of Obama's first term was just ONE (Commerce). The occupant vacated 5 months to election. Obama had to settle for acting until after the november 2012 poll and his subsequent inauguration.

I also admonish you to google "Cabinet Positions in the USA".



Cest fini!

I mean a man than NOMINATED all his Cabinet Secretaries about a month to his FIRST inauguration

musiwax:
I take an exception to your choice of words, if you have a dissenting claim back it up with proper riposte which should be devoid of insults.


Now to your claim


From the onset, the discussion was on the correctness of the Buhari article which wasn't about Nominations, but rather about having a full cabinet. You asserted that he lied when he didn't, you should as a matter of honour apologise for this.

If you set out to tackle Buhari's statement based on his assertions that Obama had a full Cabinet in place, and then change in the middle of the discussion to a new position on nominees, then that's insincere on your part.

Stay on topic or start a new thread on your new position after you have apologised for you wrong accusations that Buhari lied.

musiwax:
I take an exception to your choice of words, if you have a dissenting claim back it up with proper riposte which should be devoid of insults.


Now to your claim


[i]From the onset, the discussion was on the correctness of the Buhari article which wasn't about Nominations, but rather about having a full cabinet. You asserted that he lied when he didn't, you should as a matter of honour apologise for this.

If you set out to tackle Buhari's statement based on his assertions that Obama had a full Cabinet in place, and then change in the middle of the discussion to a new position on nominees, then that's insincere on your part.

Stay on topic or start a new thread on your new position after you have apologised for you wrong accusations that Buhari lied.

musiwax:
As expected, the chief culprit goofed again in his rebuttal thread. While he should be applauded for his effeminate attempt at objectivity, we remain resolute in getting rid of the smoke screen.

In this link https://www.nairaland.com/2469370/buhari-article-obamas-cabinet-2, he tried to analyse each position without proper recourse to objectivity and context. I will go on with showing him where he's wrong in his analysis.


Before we continue in this journey of enlightenment, here's an excerpt of an article that confirms my earlier position about Obama's first term.

All presidential administrations have vacancies. But an analysis of appointments data by ProPublica shows that President Obama hasn’t kept up with his predecessors in filling them. A greater share of presidentially appointed positions that require Senate confirmation were sitting vacant at the end of Obama’s first term than at the end of Bill Clinton’s or George W. Bush’s first terms.

At least 68 of the positions remain vacant, including 43 that have been vacant for more than a year.

Acting heads of agencies “don’t make any big decisions,” said Cal Mackenzie, a professor of government at Colby College who has studied appointments since the 1970s. “Your authority is not going to be recognized in the same way a Senate-confirmed appointee is going to be recognized.”

Overall, more than 13 percent of presidentially appointed positions hadn’t been filled at the end of Obama’s first term, compared with around 10 percent for Bush and 11 percent for Clinton. While the uptick compared with the Bush administration may sound small, it translates into dozens more vacant positions.

Source: http://www.propublica.org/article/under-obama-more-appointments-go-unfilled

**Please note the importance of senate confirmation, irrespective of the time of nomination.


Another article states:
102 Days Into Term, Obama Fills Out His Cabinet
For a president who had months to plan a smooth transition into a second term, Barack Obama has been in no great hurry to fill gaps in his Cabinet. After more than 100 days in office, he finally tidied up that task on Thursday -- and then admonished the Senate to confirm his newest nominees “without delay.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/05/03/102_days_into_term_obama_fills_out_his_cabinet_118244.html


A: The fact remains that the Commerce secretary position was vacant till confirmation in March.
For a period of 3 months irrespective of the nomination, the position is vacant until confirmation. In Buhari's case, permanent secretaries are playing this role, the fact that the Ministers are not in place doesn't mean that the ministries would stop working.

That was the first term, now in the second Term lets look at the commerce secretary position again:

COMMERCE - VACANT

Secretary John Bryson resigned in June for health reasons. Rebecca Blank, an economist, has been acting secretary since then.
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/02/us-usa-cabinet-factbox-idUSBRE91100720130202


A: While its unfortunate that the nominee Mr Daschle withdrew his nomination, the fact remains that the position remained vacant for a period of 5 months, which further buttresses my earlier position on the subject.


A: It is very relevant to the subject because, despite having enough time to nominate his cabinet a second time, Obama being a responsible leader recognises the importance of meticulous planning before making appointments. Therefore, second term nominees remain valid to this debate.


A: Okay, you haven't shown us how the position of the secretary of Labour was filled immediately after Obama's inauguration. Thanks for confirming my position with links to buttress my points.


A: Okay champ, if you want to make a statement of fact, you need to be fair by telling us the whole context of Ray's stepping down. Since you ommitted it, I will Oblige you by stating the true picture of the turn of events.

WASHINGTON—Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood announced his resignation from the Obama Administration earlier this morning following his alleged involvement in the recent disappearance of U.S. Route 13. “Given his ongoing role in the investigation regarding last week’s sudden disappearance of this road, Mr. LaHood believes it is best that he step down from his position as Transport Secretary,” said LaHood’s spokesperson Jeffrey Graves, speaking to reporters after newly released photos showed the 67-year-old government official with the road just hours prior to when morning rush hour commuters discovered it was missing. “We also want to assure the public that Mr. LaHood is fully cooperating with investigators and has agreed to do whatever he can to ensure the return of this beautiful country road.”
Source: http://www.theonion.com/article/ray-lahood-resigns-following-mysterious-disappeara-31065

The article shows that Ray had to step down because of the controversy surrounding his term, during which period he cannot function in his capacity has the Secretary of Transportation because of his scandal.

Thanks for reading.

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xwolverine:
It's unfair that the second thread made FP and this one hasn't. The Thread criticising Buhari was wrong and you haven't checked the correctness of his assertions. We need to balance opinions please.

Cc seun, ishilove, lalasticlala

xwolverine:
It's unfair that the second thread made FP and this one hasn't. The Thread criticising Buhari was wrong and you haven't checked the correctness of his assertions. We need to balance opinions please.

Cc seun, ishilove, lalasticlala

musiwax:
We mistake politics for legislative debate. You can be passionate without being personal.
- RICHARD DREYFUSS

musiwax:
From the onset, the discussion was on the correctness of the Buhari article which wasn't about Nominations, but rather about having a full cabinet. You asserted that he lied when he didn't, you should as a matter of honour apologise for this.

omenka:
Lalasticlala, please pay due diligence to this thread.

@ op: You just killed an ant with a sledge hammer. Well done.

tucky200:
Barcanista be fooling his fellow gullible TANoids

xwolverine:
The TANoids actually ran away from this thread when it was obvious that they were wrong.

Lalasticlala please balance the debate.

ellechrystal:
R u sure u read this article?
If u did u would ve seen some Barcanista pointed already.

tucky200:
Lol...can u please tell me when obama appointed his full cabinet not *nominate* be cause barccanista answered me with nominate...

ibietela2:
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TRASH.

dekdek:
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Ibifool, i actually think u are the foolish one here.

musiwax:
As expected, the chief culprit goofed again in his rebuttal thread. While he should be applauded for his effeminate attempt at objectivity, we remain resolute in getting rid of the smoke screen.

In this link https://www.nairaland.com/2469370/buhari-article-obamas-cabinet-2, he tried to analyse each position without proper recourse to objectivity and context. I will go on with showing him where he's wrong in his analysis.


Before we continue in this journey of enlightenment, here's an excerpt of an article that confirms my earlier position about Obama's first term.

All presidential administrations have vacancies. But an analysis of appointments data by ProPublica shows that President Obama hasn’t kept up with his predecessors in filling them. A greater share of presidentially appointed positions that require Senate confirmation were sitting vacant at the end of Obama’s first term than at the end of Bill Clinton’s or George W. Bush’s first terms.

At least 68 of the positions remain vacant, including 43 that have been vacant for more than a year.

Acting heads of agencies “don’t make any big decisions,” said Cal Mackenzie, a professor of government at Colby College who has studied appointments since the 1970s. “Your authority is not going to be recognized in the same way a Senate-confirmed appointee is going to be recognized.”

Overall, more than 13 percent of presidentially appointed positions hadn’t been filled at the end of Obama’s first term, compared with around 10 percent for Bush and 11 percent for Clinton. While the uptick compared with the Bush administration may sound small, it translates into dozens more vacant positions.

Source: http://www.propublica.org/article/under-obama-more-appointments-go-unfilled

**Please note the importance of senate confirmation, irrespective of the time of nomination.


Another article states:
102 Days Into Term, Obama Fills Out His Cabinet
For a president who had months to plan a smooth transition into a second term, Barack Obama has been in no great hurry to fill gaps in his Cabinet. After more than 100 days in office, he finally tidied up that task on Thursday -- and then admonished the Senate to confirm his newest nominees “without delay.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/05/03/102_days_into_term_obama_fills_out_his_cabinet_118244.html


A: The fact remains that the Commerce secretary position was vacant till confirmation in March.
For a period of 3 months irrespective of the nomination, the position is vacant until confirmation. In Buhari's case, permanent secretaries are playing this role, the fact that the Ministers are not in place doesn't mean that the ministries would stop working.

That was the first term, now in the second Term lets look at the commerce secretary position again:

COMMERCE - VACANT

Secretary John Bryson resigned in June for health reasons. Rebecca Blank, an economist, has been acting secretary since then.
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/02/us-usa-cabinet-factbox-idUSBRE91100720130202


A: While its unfortunate that the nominee Mr Daschle withdrew his nomination, the fact remains that the position remained vacant for a period of 5 months, which further buttresses my earlier position on the subject.


A: It is very relevant to the subject because, despite having enough time to nominate his cabinet a second time, Obama being a responsible leader recognises the importance of meticulous planning before making appointments. Therefore, second term nominees remain valid to this debate.


A: Okay, you haven't shown us how the position of the secretary of Labour was filled immediately after Obama's inauguration. Thanks for confirming my position with links to buttress my points.


A: Okay champ, if you want to make a statement of fact, you need to be fair by telling us the whole context of Ray's stepping down. Since you ommitted it, I will Oblige you by stating the true picture of the turn of events.

WASHINGTON—Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood announced his resignation from the Obama Administration earlier this morning following his alleged involvement in the recent disappearance of U.S. Route 13. “Given his ongoing role in the investigation regarding last week’s sudden disappearance of this road, Mr. LaHood believes it is best that he step down from his position as Transport Secretary,” said LaHood’s spokesperson Jeffrey Graves, speaking to reporters after newly released photos showed the 67-year-old government official with the road just hours prior to when morning rush hour commuters discovered it was missing. “We also want to assure the public that Mr. LaHood is fully cooperating with investigators and has agreed to do whatever he can to ensure the return of this beautiful country road.”
Source: http://www.theonion.com/article/ray-lahood-resigns-following-mysterious-disappeara-31065

The article shows that Ray had to step down because of the controversy surrounding his term, during which period he cannot function in his capacity has the Secretary of Transportation because of his scandal.

Thanks for reading.

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ibietela2:
Mtcheeeeeeew the silly one.

How are you?

engineerboat:
But for APC to tell us that obama fill up his cabinets months after inauguration, its totally false.

dustmalik:
The emphasis here is on the word 'FULL', which was the exact word Buhari used. The saTANist AKA Wailing Wailers don't have an argument here, as far as any right-thinking person is concerned. In Barcanista's eagerness to criticize Buhari, he failed to comprehend.

dekdek:
Kindly qoute The General correctly and disprove what he said and not what u think APC said or what u think they may have meant.

engineerboat:
Please take some time out and re-read you post once again, you will discover that what People are saying is that, in Obama first term He had made some larger percentage nomination of his ministries, submitted them for approval to the Senate, it now depend on when the Senate approve them. RIGHT
But for APC to tell us that obama fill up his cabinets months after inauguration, its totally false.

For now no major NOMINATIONS have been made to the senate for approval,

Going by your assumption "diference between nomination and senate approval", if by now no nomination has been sent to the SENATE for approval, then sent nomination to senate for approval by SEPTEMBER, then we should be waiting till 2016 to have a single minister approved by the senate. We are waiting and watching.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/Obama_cabinet.htm

engineerboat:
since you are concern about the word full, Obama had about 85% cabinet at Immedeattely after inauguration. Which include Secretary of State,

Now to Baba, where is our Secretary to the Government of the Federation, (SGF), Chief of Staff to the president, Minister of defence (We are in war with BH), e.t.c to start with,

engineerboat:
From his word,

“When cabinet ministers are appointed in September, it will be some months after I took the oath of office. It is worth noting that Obama himself did not have his full cabinet in place for several months after first taking office; the United States did not cease to function in the interim” President Buhari said.

READ MORE: http://www.diamondreport.com.ng/2015/07/fact-check-buhari-lied-about-obamas.html?utm_source=copyright-attrib
Copyright © Diamond Report.

But Obama had His major cabinet members are constituted January 2009.

Barack Obama's Cabinet, as of January 2009, is proposed to comprise:

Hillary Rodham Clinton, Secretary of State;
Timothy F. Geithner, Secretary of the Department of the Treasury;
Robert M. Gates, Secretary of the Department of Defense
Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General, Department of Justice
Ken L. Salazar, Secretary of the Department of the Interior
Tom J. Vilsack, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Yet to be nominated, Secretary of the Department of Commerce
Hilda L. Solis, Secretary of the Department of Labor
Tom A. Daschle, Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services
Shaun Donovan, Secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development
Ray H. LaHood, Secretary of the Department of Transportation
Steven Chu, Secretary of the Department of Energy
Arne Duncan, Secretary of the Department of Education
Eric K. Shinseki, Secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs
Janet Napolitano, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security

http://www.senate.gov/reference/Obama_cabinet.htm

Did you get that

Dollar101:
Oga Goodmorning, The thread was not about NOMINATIONS, when nominated candidates was sent to the senate it took several months for verification, there is a huge difference between NOMINATE and APPOINTED, please take note of the context.

modhream:
This is total hogwash and you know it,OP.The President's article that started all this and that which you earlier wrote on,was about CABINET positions,not executive appointments which we all know will take time to fill.All those ambassadorial and board appointments................
You're trying to be smart by half,conflating different issues and making a mush of it.
Try again

dekdek:
The colored is the key word from Buharis speech. Check ur link very well, there are several columns. He may have nominated early his co workers but they were never confirmed early. Infact before confirmation, hearings av to be done by the American Senate which happended far after when Obama nominated. They didnt start work till the senate completed her task. That is the main point of the General. Obama didnt have his full cabinet ready for several months.
Buhari is right on point.