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Hi bro.
I did tread the same path some years back. Mine started in 2006 when I felt something was wrong with the whole bible and the concept of G-d/gods. I asked pastors/priests lots of questions, wrote letters, seeking answers from men of G-d but never got that satisfying answer. I decided to abandon the bible for a while because of the many absurdities I read which never made sense. After some months G-d sent me a helper and I was taught that which I sought.
According to 114 saying of Gospel of Thomas, chapter 2 says...... (2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."
Brother you are in that troubled state, it takes a lot to see differently from the crowd. All the answers you seek have very simple answers, I took my time to go through the thread and the other post #Questions That Baffle Me About God# and I couldn't stop laughing. If you are someone that believes in prayer, please don't give up but if you don't the sincerity of you heart based on your search will cause a change around you which will attract like minds to you. It might come in the form of a person,intuition,dreams or spirit form. It all depends on your spiritual evolution.

Warm regards.

Reiyvinn:
Being a Christian is really one hell of a job.

Aside the Church-bound duties required of "true" Christians (which are often quite inconvenient and demanding), one mustn't ignore the emotional, mental and psychological War that goes on in the mind of those one who are quite knowledgable or well versed with the Bible.

Trying hard to resist the doubts they tend to encounter is the order of the day for those who read wide and do lots of research in an aim to either justify or investigate their long-held faith. I was no exception.

Ranging from the bloodstained Old Testament to Scientific ludicrosities, Blatant absurdities to historical flaws, authenticities and many many more, I couldn't help giving Doubt a chance.

About this time last year, I wrote a piece here on Nairaland: Questions That Baffle Me About God
and even though it never made frontpage, I'm glad it had the amount of audience it did.

Now I'm here with something quite troubling; something a logical mind should find really really disturbing.

I remember having a dialogue with a Pastor friend some weeks ago when he was on an outreach preaching about the Second Coming of Christ and why everyone should "mend their ways".

I can't quite remember his reaction when I asked "Don't you think this Jesus is taking too long? Are you sure he's coming at all?"

but I do remember him sarcastically replying me by saying "Uhmm.... Our Lord is warming up his whips for strongheads like you, so chill..."

Well, I chuckled. But then, I needed him to go into his Bible to see for himself why I asked such a question, so I directed him to Mark 13:30 which states:

". . .this generation will by no means pass away until these things happen. . ."
(with "these things" referring to the end time, tribulation and the Second Coming talked about in the preceding verses).

He laughed. "Cheap!" He said.

"You don't understand Greek so you wouldn't know" (hehehehe does he understand Greek? Well.... I wouldn't know either lol)

"The word 'generation' in Greek is 'genea' which Lexicons define as 'people of the same kind' so from Acts 11:26, we can tell whom these people are. They are Christians, which means Christ-like. So Christians will never pass away until the Son comes". He concluded.

That was amazing. Perfect wordplay. However, the context of this passage made it clear that it literally referred to those still alive at the time. He refused; holding still to his explanation. Then I took him to Matthew 16:28 which states:

"Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here that will not taste death at all until they see the Son of man coming in His Kingdom."
(also found in Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27)

His face didn't look so bright afterwards even though he tried making me take his explanation for an answer and how I needed the Holy Spirit to understand certain passages and so on, it was obvious that he was well aware of these passages and the problems the pose and willingly ignored them for fear of doubt (I once did that too). So he never expected it to be used in a dialogue with him. He obviously didn't research on it the way he should have and that's the same thing most Christians do today. Their fear of doubt has amounted to their fear of knowledge and information and honestly, it's really unfortunate.

Now, back to the passage, we all know that everyone "standing [t]here" are now dead, buried and forgotten (that's assuming Jesus even existed)

So what does that make of the Second Coming? A Failed Prophecy or not?

Let's be honest with ourselves.

Thank you.

Well4one who has clinched un2Christ n d gospel 4so many years n yet passin thru som dire situations even a juju person may nt pass thru, den I gv u credit 4 ur sincere doubts.......however, bible scriptures in itself speaks in all d forms of english I.e present past present continuous n even futuristic (som will nt see death till Christ return)........moreso dis Christ himsf said He dosnt knw exact date of His reton.....except His Father(of all things dis is oly wat His Fathr ddnt reveal2Him......no ba3 to talk mor on dis)........truly His kingdom is@hand, dats y evils hv multiplied on earth n heaven seems silent......until every soul has heard (whether dey beliv or nt d gspel is nt a factor bt a choice) d gospel He will nt come....n God is in control in d spread of d gospel(so leave him 2decide who shud be d last soul2hear d gospel).......n den like a thif(ie unannounced) Christ will com 2take doz believas n condemn unblievas......I tink wat u n I shud worryy abt is. 1. Will I be dead wen He coms n qualify2b wt Him? 2. Will I b alife wen He com n be qualify2go wt Him?? I pray u amend ur ways n nt lose out.........unless u hv a better place4 ur soul.......tink carefully deeply n lightly abt it......

You couldn't have put it better. God bless

ayoku777:
You know, everytime we say you need the Holy Spirit to understand the bible, athiests and unbelievers always think that is one excuse we christian use to explain away verses we can't rationalize. But it is not! The truth is you honestly do need the Holy Spirit to understand the bible.

Matthew 16v28 -Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom.

Throughout the ministry of Jesus, He preached, "Repent : for the kingdom of God is at hand or near" -(Matthew 4v17, Mark 1v15)

The question then is, If Jesus preached that the kingdom was near, when did the kingdom come?

Daniel 2v44 -And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

In the days of which kings will the kingdom of God be set up? In the days of the kings of the roman empire.

(Note -The roman empire is the fourth kingdom represented with the legs of iron, and feet of iron with clay). Please read the entire chapter of Daniel 2; to see the dream of Nebuchadnezzar and the interpretation of Daniel.

According to the prophecy of Daniel in his interpretation of the dream of Nebuchadnezzer; the kingdom of God will come and be set up when Jesus rose from the dead. Because Jesus was the stone cut out without hands (Daniel 2v34), that struck the feet of the statue; to set up the kingdom of God that later became a great mountain (Daniel 2v35).

So the kingdom of God came and was set up when Jesus died and rose. The kingdom has come since when Jesus rose. Presently it is still being established in the hearts of men; and in the age to come, it will be established in the earth. But it has come.

So the writers of the scripture did not goof, and Jesus did not make an unfulfilled prophecy when He said;

Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom.

Because those who saw Christ in the flesh after His resurrection, in His glorified incorruptible body; actually "saw the Son of man come in His kingdom". Because at the resurrection of Christ was when the kingdom was set up.

And many people were indeed standing there when Jesus was talking who did not die until they had seen Jesus in the flesh after His resurrection, in His glorified incorruptible body.

1Cor 15v5-8 -And He (Jesus) was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

After that, He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

After that, He was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

Amd last of all He was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Those who had the privilege of seeing the resurrected Christ in the flesh, in His glorified incorruptible body, can be said to have seen the son of man come in His kingdom. Because that was when the kingdom was set up according to Daniel 2

The coming of Christ that will be announced with a shout, the voice of the archangel and the trump of God; is actually when the kingdom will be phyically established on the earth and Jesus will be bodily enthroned on the earth. But that is not when the kingdom came, the kingdom came at His resurrection.

When people don't know how to interprete the scriptures, they say Jesus goofed, or that the writers made a mistake. That's not true. You really do need the Holy Spirit.

God bless.

Jesus has been dead for over Two thousand years, one would have thought it blindingly obvious to the Christians that he ain't coming back, here's why;

Jesus of Nazareth was an apocalyptic Jewish prophet, he came from a long line of Jewish apocalyptic prophets, like Johanne the Immerser before him and Jesus Ben Ananias after him. Jesus,much like Johanne believed the end of the world was imminent but, like all apocalyptic prophets he got it spectacularly wrong.

Jesus’ core teaching was the imminent arrival of the kingdom of God, all his other teachings were a derivative or corollary of this message. He believed God was going to perform a mighty act of salvation of his people heralded by the coming of the agent of change “ the son of Man” and that quite a lot of people would be around to witness it. His disciples believed they would “rule” at the right hand side of Jesus in the coming kingdom, each disciple at the head of a tribe of Israel (this is was the promise that enticed them to join his ministry)

Apparently this is what the Apostle Paul believed too….initially, here are his words; in his earliest recorded letter to the Thessalonians written around 49CE less than twenty years after Jesus’ death (Thess 4:15-17)

“ For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord by no means will precede those who have died………then we who are alive, who are left will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air”

It is clear that the early church that existed after the death of Jesus was apocalyptic in nature. Apostle Paul fully expected the imminent arrival of the Kingdom of God in his lifetime, and quite clearly expected to be amongst those to be “caught up in the clouds” Indeed he asks his congregations not to better themselves, not to bother to get married if they weren’t already…the implications being, there was no point !

Luke writing with the benefit of hind-sight several years later makes the necessary adjustments to Mark’s account to spare the embarrassment of Christians being open to ridicule since the Kingdom of God had not arrived as expected. The changes are subtle and expertly done;

(Luke 11:20) …”the Kingdom has already come to you” and (Luke 17:21) “ Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

When Jesus is brought before the Sanhedrin he tells the priests in Mark (14:62)

“you will see the son of man seated at the right hand of power and coming with the clouds of heaven”

Luke writing many years after the death of the priests knowing full well the priests saw no such thing modifies Mark’s words;

“from now on the son of man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God” (Luke 22:69)

See if you can spot the difference.

Christian doctrine arose largely as a direct consequence of the non-fulfillment of that particular prophecy.

2 peter 3 :3-9 ofcourse i know you don't Bible, so please Google it.

Layi9:
e be lyk sey u neva read ur own bible oo or u dey read d sweet parts only....both our religions had religious wars....so having d story of such wars portrayed in our religious books is only normal...better go and read about joshua

is Joshua a Christian?

Reiyvinn:
LOL! The Bible has really made a wordsmith of Christians. Twisting, Re-interpreting, adding of Eisegesis, e.t.c just to defend what they believe. It has also made Christians terrible researchers.

It's funny, but it's really unfortunate.

Remember the days of NOAH..

In your mind u felt that u av written a nice piece why don't u go to ur pastor for clarity instead of publishing this on nairaland looking for people to weaken their faith. The DAVIEN guy already explained it to u but it seems u are not in for answers just want an arguement.

We are christians meaning "christlike" and Jesus christ made us to know dat no one knows d time when he's gonna come. I repeat no one.

Remember the days of NOAH. Remember sodom. Remember gomorrah. Remember neniveh.

STEVENcrack:
Remember the days of NOAH..

In your mind u felt that u av written a nice piece why don't u go to ur pastor for clarity instead of publishing this on nairaland looking for people to weaken their faith. The DAVIEN guy already explained it to u but it seems u are not in for answers just want an arguement.

We are christians meaning "christlike" and Jesus christ made us to know dat no one knows d time when he's gonna come. I repeat no one.

Remember the days of NOAH. Remember sodom. Remember gomorrah. Remember neniveh.

the guy is lazy to remember anything he feared that death might even be the end hence he can't adjust his ways phobia things sha!

BERNIMOORE:
the guy is lazy to remember anything he feared that death might even be the end hence he can't adjust his ways phobia things sha!

They are many on nairaland..dats why I created a perfect signature for them..atheist my foot.

Sarassin:
Jesus has been dead for over Two thousand years, one would have thought it blindingly obvious to the Christians that he ain't coming back, here's why;

Jesus of Nazareth was an apocalyptic Jewish prophet, he came from a long line of Jewish apocalyptic prophets, like Johanne the Immerser before him and Jesus Ben Ananias after him. Jesus,much like Johanne believed the end of the world was imminent but, like all apocalyptic prophets he got it spectacularly wrong.

Jesus’ core teaching was the imminent arrival of the kingdom of God, all his other teachings were a derivative or corollary of this message. He believed God was going to perform a mighty act of salvation of his people heralded by the coming of the agent of change “ the son of Man” and that quite a lot of people would be around to witness it. His disciples believed they would “rule” at the right hand side of Jesus in the coming kingdom, each disciple at the head of a tribe of Israel (this is was the promise that enticed them to join his ministry)

Apparently this is what the Apostle Paul believed too….initially, here are his words; in his earliest recorded letter to the Thessalonians written around 49CE less than twenty years after Jesus’ death (Thess 4:15-17)

“ For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord by no means will precede those who have died………then we who are alive, who are left will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air”

It is clear that the early church that existed after the death of Jesus was apocalyptic in nature. Apostle Paul fully expected the imminent arrival of the Kingdom of God in his lifetime, and quite clearly expected to be amongst those to be “caught up in the clouds” Indeed he asks his congregations not to better themselves, not to bother to get married if they weren’t already…the implications being, there was no point !

Luke writing with the benefit of hind-sight several years later makes the necessary adjustments to Mark’s account to spare the embarrassment of Christians being open to ridicule since the Kingdom of God had not arrived as expected. The changes are subtle and expertly done;

(Luke 11:20) …”the Kingdom has already come to you” and (Luke 17:21) “ Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

When Jesus is brought before the Sanhedrin he tells the priests in Mark (14:62)

“you will see the son of man seated at the right hand of power and coming with the clouds of heaven”

Luke writing many years after the death of the priests knowing full well the priests saw no such thing modifies Mark’s words;

“from now on the son of man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God” (Luke 22:69)

See if you can spot the difference.

Christian doctrine arose largely as a direct consequence of the non-fulfillment of that particular prophecy.

2 peter 3:9_10 already had answers to you question! Paul and apostle of jesus as he claimed relied on jesus assertion of the kingdom, where as jesus make mistakes and that makes him a different person and inferior to God, 2_pet 3:9-10 stipulates why God break those timing and delayed the doomsday "because he does not desire anyone to be perished by his decree but for everyone to come to to repentance, the onus is on you to be found blameless when you die and facing judgement!

The initiator of this thread is a willingly ignorant fellow professing himself to be wise. The bible talks of people professing tenehemselves to be wise and became fools.

The bible must be read in context.

1) The generation refers to the last generation who would see all the signs of end time predicted.

2) Those standing who would not taste death till they see the coming of the son of man in glory refers to some of Jesus' Disciples: Peter, James and John that experienced the Transfiguration about 6days after when they saw Christ in his glory. Reading further in this passage indicates this.

The issue about the Second coming is so real that the occurrence is not in doubt as there are more bible prophecies on the 2nd coming than the first coming. Yet the first coming was fulfilled to the later.


The book of Daniel predicted major empires such as Medo-Persia, Grecian and Roman Empire centuries before their coming and they where fulfilled to the later.

There are several archeological and historical evidence verifying the bible.

The one who chooses to remain in unbelief and unreasonable disputation does so to his/her own peril.

kefmawin:
The initiator of this thread is a willingly ignorant fellow professing himself to be wise. The bible talks of people professing tenehemselves to be wise and became fools.

The bible must be read in context.

1) The generation refers to the last generation who would see all the signs of end time predicted.

2) Those standing who would not taste death till they see the coming of the son of man in glory refers to some of Jesus' Disciples: Peter, James and John that experienced the Transfiguration about 6days after when they saw Christ in his glory. Reading further in this passage indicates this.

The issue about the Second coming is so real that the occurrence is not in doubt as there are more bible prophecies on the 2nd coming than the first coming. Yet the first coming was fulfilled to the later.


The book of Daniel predicted major empires such as Medo-Persia, Grecian and Roman Empire centuries before their coming and they where fulfilled to the later.

There are several archeological and historical evidence verifying the bible.

The one who chooses to remain in unbelief and unreasonable disputation does so to his/her own peril.

just hit the point you don't need to insult OK go straight and answer

BERNIMOORE:
2 peter 3:9_10 already had answers to you question! Paul and apostle of jesus as he claimed relied on jesus assertion of the kingdom, where as jesus make mistakes and that makes him a different person and inferior to God, 2_pet 3:9-10 stipulates why God break those timing and delayed the doomsday, the onus is on you to be found blameless when you die and facing judgement!

And you actually took the time to explian? peeps like them know the truth, the just think being noobs is the new cool!

BERNIMOORE:
2 peter 3:9_10 already had answers to you question! Paul and apostle of jesus as he claimed relied on jesus assertion of the kingdom, where as jesus make mistakes and that makes him a different person and inferior to God, 2_pet 3:9-10 stipulates why God break those timing and delayed the doomsday, the onus is on you to be found blameless when you die and facing judgement!

It answers nothing. 2 Peter is Pseudoepigraphia, it is a throw-back to the Book of Jude written at the earliest around 100CE, more likely around 150CE, therefore it is post-apostolic. There is not the chance of a snow-ball in hell that it was actually written by Peter.

The scribes who penned the volume in the name of Peter did so because Christianity was under pressure to justify the non-fulfillment of that prophecy.

5minsmadness:
Lol
Why would God destroy all the planets? The second coming talks of the reaping of this planet only. It's ok if you don't believe. It won't stop it from happening.

And no, God's people won't be in any danger.

believer do u mean its only the Earth that will be destroy and the people in it, if dos living in Mars and Moon will survive the day am so sorry to say u don't even understand or have any tangible knowledge about the last day

Reiyvinn:
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I'm not very good at typing long epistles generally and I even prefer one on one discussion when it comes to the issue of the Bible. I can share my view better and quicker that way. Indeed the Bible is broad and it takes more than just quoting a few passages that seems unclear to conclude that the content is not true. But you are a seeker of knowledge so I'm going give you these two links to look up if you wish for a more comprehensive response to the points you raised in your post. I hope you will study them thoroughly.

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1392-jesus-foretells-the-coming-kingdom


https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1243-how-can-the-church-be-the-fulfillment-of-daniel-2-44

Anas09:
Like a thief in the night he shall come.
2Peter 3: 3-5.
3 Knowing this therefore that there shall come in the last days, scoffers, walking after their own lust
4 and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willing are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water.
7. But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word and kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgement and pedition of ungodly men.
8. But, belovedn be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some mencount slackness, but is longsuffering,towards, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night...

I just can't cry seeing ur reply... just too perfect... Thanks ...All this words are from the bible..OP, pls learn and read that part of the bilbe where they said 'all this are the signs of the 2nd coming'(I just need someone to tell me the exact verse and the things written before that statement...i just know its there in the bible) and analyze it for urself if all this things are not happening yet... before you get some people (like myself) confused... I so much love the no. 9..God am grateful for giving us more grace...

Bossforeva:
2 peter 3 :3-9 ofcourse i know you don't Bible, so please Google it.

Thanks man.. I can't but help read the whole chapter...verse 9 says it all... 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.... and thats it..The OP needs see this..

It is very certain that some children were given birth to today and it is also certain that some People died a round the world today.Believe me it more certain that everybody is going to hell fire than that .

Use your life to the fullest, what will it profit a man to lose the world and heaven?

Gud one op

Reiyvinn:
Being a Christian is really one hell of a job.

Aside the Church-bound duties required of "true" Christians (which are often quite inconvenient and demanding), one mustn't ignore the emotional, mental and psychological War that goes on in the mind of those one who are quite knowledgable or well versed with the Bible.

Trying hard to resist the doubts they tend to encounter is the order of the day for those who read wide and do lots of research in an aim to either justify or investigate their long-held faith. I was no exception.

Ranging from the bloodstained Old Testament to Scientific ludicrosities, Blatant absurdities to historical flaws, authenticities and many many more, I couldn't help giving Doubt a chance.

About this time last year, I wrote a piece here on Nairaland: Questions That Baffle Me About God
and even though it never made frontpage, I'm glad it had the amount of audience it did.

Now I'm here with something quite troubling; something a logical mind should find really really disturbing.

I remember having a dialogue with a Pastor friend some weeks ago when he was on an outreach preaching about the Second Coming of Christ and why everyone should "mend their ways".

I can't quite remember his reaction when I asked "Don't you think this Jesus is taking too long? Are you sure he's coming at all?"

but I do remember him sarcastically replying me by saying "Uhmm.... Our Lord is warming up his whips for strongheads like you, so chill..."

Well, I chuckled. But then, I needed him to go into his Bible to see for himself why I asked such a question, so I directed him to Mark 13:30 which states:

". . .this generation will by no means pass away until these things happen. . ."
(with "these things" referring to the end time, tribulation and the Second Coming talked about in the preceding verses).

He laughed. "Cheap!" He said.

"You don't understand Greek so you wouldn't know" (hehehehe does he understand Greek? Well.... I wouldn't know either lol)

"The word 'generation' in Greek is 'genea' which Lexicons define as 'people of the same kind' so from Acts 11:26, we can tell whom these people are. They are Christians, which means Christ-like. So Christians will never pass away until the Son comes". He concluded.

That was amazing. Perfect wordplay. However, the context of this passage made it clear that it literally referred to those still alive at the time. He refused; holding still to his explanation. Then I took him to Matthew 16:28 which states:

"Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here that will not taste death at all until they see the Son of man coming in His Kingdom."
(also found in Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27)

His face didn't look so bright afterwards even though he tried making me take his explanation for an answer and how I needed the Holy Spirit to understand certain passages and so on, it was obvious that he was well aware of these passages and the problems the pose and willingly ignored them for fear of doubt (I once did that too). So he never expected it to be used in a dialogue with him. He obviously didn't research on it the way he should have and that's the same thing most Christians do today. Their fear of doubt has amounted to their fear of knowledge and information and honestly, it's really unfortunate.

Now, back to the passage, we all know that everyone "standing [t]here" are now dead, buried and forgotten (that's assuming Jesus even existed)

So what does that make of the Second Coming? A Failed Prophecy or not?

Let's be honest with ourselves.

Thank you.

At some point it all became blasphemy...

In Islam, they prevent people by death to ever criticize publicly on their quaran.

Pls b e warned

HE is a merciful God, if not for Jesus i tell u any day u commit fornication u die .... he is still interceding on ur behalf waiting for u to clear all ur doubt according to ur human acquired knowledge, the love of many for God has wassed cold because of the happenings in the world today, dat is why from time to time he send his messenger to give u kingdom gospel so that u will become strong again. the question is do u know ur spiritual father just the way u know ur earthly father? hav u understood ur spiritual existence? hav u possesed the spiritual shape that can hear and hav relationship with God, if u hav, u would hav known the movement of God in ur Age today. u would become like the sunflower dat follows every movement of the sun, u will neva be in doubt nor fearful. Then u will know that this is kingdom Age, were the elects of the kingdom will be gathered together, were the sons, those with the mark of salvation will be built into deir sonship. is the age of the holy ghost were knowledge will be given to the elects in order to hav total victory over sin, because no lier will see nor enter into the kingdom of GOD. not until these men are made the son of man will not come because they ar to join hires with him to rule. so seek to know were these men ar made, ask God to open ur eyes to see spiritual things of GOD, so as to see if u could be a part of them. it is not for every man and it is not in the denomination of men it is in his program: kingdom age program, kingdom fellowship....tnk u

I am not spending my time researching whether Christ Jesus will make a return. All I do is believe in His word whatever happens. So this is not something I wonder about.

But of course, all the atheists will applaud you on this post.

frosbel:
I hope it does not get to that point, though at this point my former belief system is in constant turmoil.

Why?

Burlah4u2c:
Thanks man.. I can't but help read the whole chapter...verse 9 says it all... 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.... and thats it..The OP needs see this..

Cc reiyvinn

lampardizik:
If He wasn't going to establish a Kingdom why tell Peter "upon this rock will I build my church and the gate of hell shall not prevail over it"?

The Church,which is the body of Christ is the 'Kingdom of Heaven' that both John the Baptist and Jesus Himself preached and that Kingdom is here on the earth. The second coming of Christ will bring the Kingdom of God with God as the Ruler of it,so that brother was right...

Stop arguing with him. He is just arguing for arguments sake. That guy answered his question wella.

Those who believe in christ in truth and in spirit that are still living,"qualified those standing".Because there is this term in social statement,(the last man standing),which means in course of christainity those who still beleive in christ occupy the space standing.While "here"qualified on earth.So as many that still beleive in christ on that last day coming of christ,will not test dead as christ said.Because we live as descendant or generation not as individualism.

legatto:
Thousands of generation has passed nd will continue to pass, or do u mean you will still be on earth in year 4001, its not happening no sentiment

I don't really understand your statement. However thousands of years also passed before the first coming of Jesus Christ too, since its revelation in Genesis.

Reiyvinn:
Being a Christian is really one hell of a job.

Aside the Church-bound duties required of "true" Christians (which are often quite inconvenient and demanding), one mustn't ignore the emotional, mental and psychological War that goes on in the mind of those one who are quite knowledgable or well versed with the Bible.

Trying hard to resist the doubts they tend to encounter is the order of the day for those who read wide and do lots of research in an aim to either justify or investigate their long-held faith. I was no exception.

Ranging from the bloodstained Old Testament to Scientific ludicrosities, Blatant absurdities to historical flaws, authenticities and many many more, I couldn't help giving Doubt a chance.

About this time last year, I wrote a piece here on Nairaland: Questions That Baffle Me About God
and even though it never made frontpage, I'm glad it had the amount of audience it did.

Now I'm here with something quite troubling; something a logical mind should find really really disturbing.

I remember having a dialogue with a Pastor friend some weeks ago when he was on an outreach preaching about the Second Coming of Christ and why everyone should "mend their ways".

I can't quite remember his reaction when I asked "Don't you think this Jesus is taking too long? Are you sure he's coming at all?"

but I do remember him sarcastically replying me by saying "Uhmm.... Our Lord is warming up his whips for strongheads like you, so chill..."

Well, I chuckled. But then, I needed him to go into his Bible to see for himself why I asked such a question, so I directed him to Mark 13:30 which states:

". . .this generation will by no means pass away until these things happen. . ."
(with "these things" referring to the end time, tribulation and the Second Coming talked about in the preceding verses).

He laughed. "Cheap!" He said.

"You don't understand Greek so you wouldn't know" (hehehehe does he understand Greek? Well.... I wouldn't know either lol)

"The word 'generation' in Greek is 'genea' which Lexicons define as 'people of the same kind' so from Acts 11:26, we can tell whom these people are. They are Christians, which means Christ-like. So Christians will never pass away until the Son comes". He concluded.

That was amazing. Perfect wordplay. However, the context of this passage made it clear that it literally referred to those still alive at the time. He refused; holding still to his explanation. Then I took him to Matthew 16:28 which states:

"Truly I say to you that there are some of those standing here that will not taste death at all until they see the Son of man coming in His Kingdom."
(also found in Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27)

His face didn't look so bright afterwards even though he tried making me take his explanation for an answer and how I needed the Holy Spirit to understand certain passages and so on, it was obvious that he was well aware of these passages and the problems the pose and willingly ignored them for fear of doubt (I once did that too). So he never expected it to be used in a dialogue with him. He obviously didn't research on it the way he should have and that's the same thing most Christians do today. Their fear of doubt has amounted to their fear of knowledge and information and honestly, it's really unfortunate.

Now, back to the passage, we all know that everyone "standing [t]here" are now dead, buried and forgotten (that's assuming Jesus even existed)

So what does that make of the Second Coming? A Failed Prophecy or not?

Let's be honest with ourselves.

Thank you.

When no man expect. The son of God will come

MrPresident:
there was never a jesus, christianity is a scam.

invented by paul who suffered an epileptic seizure when he fell from a horse on his way to damascus.

epilepsy is known to cause severe psychiatric disorders such as abnormal mental vision and illusory perceptions

The problem is education is becoming too expensive.
Im sure u are one of those illiterate fulanis hiding in sambisa forest with your symbian phone and cheap data connection.
You don't have the slightest knowledge of history, geography or archeology and being an illiterate u won't care to research

Saying no spirituality
How about someone writing an incision on his body and bullet will not penetrate? How about people confessing to be witches and wizards and have manipulated many things spiritually the list goes on and you know them, please kindly lecture me on the phenomenon behind that sir, professor atheist. Illusion NO NO NO Also don't tell me Paul was having a brain defect which also affected the rest of the prophets