₦airaland Forum

ideykwum:
What you say is not alien to Igbos! Okrikans in Rivers State practised the same!! But, both for the Igbos and the Okrikans, it was never for the parties to indulge in homosexual acts, but to have a male impregnate the chosen female so that whoever she gives birth to will bear the name of the family and propagate their dynasty or family name!! Don't get it twisted!

TRUTHTOPOWER:
'Drunken' 'beer parlour' in a 15 word sentence as a response to a point of view containing no vulgarity. It is futile to expect dignity of intellect from a people who are irredeemably stuck on literal filth - no pun intended. it is your preroragative and the justice of your crime is also a societal prerogative. Happily the law does not proscribe homosexuality, so you can do it only on the pain of imprisonment QED.

DDoubleUps:
IF it is just to be married and bear children, why does the culture allow another woman to do it? why not for the marrying woman to just go get pregnant from anywhere and bear children to continue the family dynasty? Why does it go that she will have to marry for the woman to go get pregnant? the downline is that the woman authomatically assumes the position of a man and the duties obligated to men in the family authomatically becomes hers and so she can marry and not just marry but perform manly duties to the women she married... i was a witness to one such case where a woman married by another woman brought a case to the elders of the marrying woman dulging from performing her sexual duty on her... yes she is allowed to get pregnant from outside with another man, but yet the marrying woman is the person that will share her bed with her every night and keep her warm in a way a man should to his wife and tell me is that not also homosexualism or unafrican?

aresa:
It is of course un African just like all our hand me down colomentality afflictions.

Homo-sexuality- is part of the African landscape and has been since the beginning of time with zero zero issues, discrimination or prejudice same way we practiced our different traditional religions with no worries or conflicts, but the white man showed up with their repressive colonial laws and divisive religions.

Now you are discriminating against yourselves, passing laws and locking up your own brothers and sisters, you are killing and slaughtering yourselves over their imported religion.. The white man is realized his errors and poor judgment and is now passing laws to protect his own brothers and sisters while the dumb and clueless black man is foolishly doing the opposite.

Independence didn't stop colonialism, in fact Africans are now the main promoters of the evils of colonialism..

"Same-sex sexual activities between adults have never been criminalised in Burkina Faso, Central African Republic, Chad, Republic of the Congo, Côte d'Ivoire, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Gabon, Madagascar, Mali, Niger, and Rwanda."

sinkhole:
I actually agree with the OP that homo existed and still exists in Africa, but the fact is that, it was never celebrated, people who practised it were never looked upon as being normal, they were seing as being sick or possesed by some spirit and hence needed treatment/cleansing, and some will go as far as killing them(I think Britain did same to homos way back before they changed and approved them)!

aresa:
It is of course un African just like all our hand me down colomentality afflictions.

Homo-sexuality- is part of the African landscape and has been since the beginning of time with zero zero issues, discrimination or prejudice same way we practiced our different traditional religions with no worries or conflicts, but the white man showed up with their repressive colonial laws and divisive religions.

Now you are discriminating against yourselves, passing laws and locking up your own brothers and sisters, you are killing and slaughtering yourselves over their imported religion.. The white man is realized his errors and poor judgment and is now passing laws to protect his own brothers and sisters while the dumb and clueless black man is foolishly doing the opposite.

Independence didn't stop colonialism, in fact Africans are now the main promoters of the evils of colonialism..

BannedOtherView:
I am afraid this is a puerile argumen that does little to counter Rossike's assertion.
(1) Do you procreate every time you have sex?
(2) Should those who are incapable of procreating (men and women alike) abstain from sex?

#ElevateTheDebate

abagoro:
Nature made sex strictly for procreation but humans turned it to recreation and then followed by all types of experiment to add fun to the recreation. These include bossom sex, anal, use of toys, same sex and even animal sex.

Ordinarily nobody cared about these things until the recent past that it became a kind of culture the West wanted to impose on the rest of the world. The result is homophobia which never existed prior to as recently as 2010 in Nigeria.

smarthG:
Its actually not un-african but its demonic and won't be allowed to spread allover.

You can pratice n your confine, who cares, but for a it to be celebrated in the public, NO.

Therefore, its un-african!

ROSSIKE:
Sad but true. The main reason for this thread was to correct the notion that gay practises are 'unAfrican'. I think we have pretty much established that that claim is nonsense, and derives from a tragic ignorance among Africans regarding their past.

Change2015:
Hear ye this. A person can have whatever sexuality and not act on it. For Christians whatever your sexuality you are meant to express it only within marriage. The ideal Catholic priest has voluntarily forsaken sexual activities. So, (light-bulb moment for you) your sexuality is not something "you can do", it is more about who you are. Because ignorance like yours is so common, most Nigerian homosexuals are married and probably church and mosque - going, to satisfy the prejudices of the ignorant many.

Reyginus:
Okay.

Let me also ask this question. Do you think there is any way it promotes humanity? As in, in the survival of the human race is Homosexuality's role the better option? That is when compared to heterosexuality. I just want to understand how you understand it.

abagoro:
ROSSIKE are you gay? Nature made sex strictly for procreation but humans turned it to recreation and then folliwed by all types of experiment to add fun to the recreation. These include bossom sex, anal, use of toys, same sex and even animal sex.

Ordinarily nobody cared about these things until the recent past that it became a kind of culture the West wanted to impose on the rest of the world. The result is homophobia which never existed prior to as recently as 2010 in Nigeria.

Shymm3x:
Lmao at Rossike still peddling all these LGBT revisionist myths that have been exposed as fraud time ago.

Live and let's live, but when you start twisting history to suit ya fantasies, then it becomes problematic.

Homosexuality started in Europe as a noble thing and it remained an European lifestyle, until recently.

The original black man!

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TRUTHTOPOWER:
Everything that involves intrinsically perverse facets in Africa is unAfrican. By perverse I mean (1) not widespread (2) dirty. (homo) philia is natural but (homo) sex has no anatomical basis. as it is unnatural to walk on my hands, it is also unnatural to subject non-genital organ to sexual use. The question is what happens if we do what is anatomically unnatural? When it is about sex the consequence is multidimensional, sexual meltdown as we have in Western countries. This places a greater burden on health and social fabrique. can poor African countries permit this as a sacrifice for homosexual minorities. the answer is no. will Africa evolve? not likely! heterosexuality supports gender separation. when you mix things up the current system will collapse and it will be bad for all.

Imokay:
Will you also support 14 year jail term for anyone caught with evidence of sex that fails to produce children and campaign for the banning of condom and contaceptives?

BannedOtherView:
One more thing, it takes the mind of a simpleton to adduce that all those who see this as a civil/human rights issue are themselves gay.

ROSSIKE:
Why exactly should we regard your ''Holy Bible'' as anything other than an irrelevant, imported collection of mythical verses? You've no right to impose your ''Holy Bible'' on Africans.

nduchucks:
Truth be told, there were effeminate men who spoke like women and had boy friends, in our town. They were actually accepted by society and many of them sold "kose/akara" which they fried publicly. These gay men were called Dan Daudu or Yan Daudu.

The men who were their boyfriends were not labeled. These people should be left alone, in my humble opinion.

Unfortunately, as a personal matter, I can't endorse same sex marriage of any form. This type of marriage is indeed very unAfrican.

ROSSIKE:
Homosexuality is not un-African


It is legalized homophobia, not same-sex relations, that is alien to Africa

April 26, 2014

by Sylvia Tamale

During a prime time interview with BBC’s “Hard Talk” show in March 2012, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni noted, “Homosexuals in small numbers have always existed in our part of black Africa …They were never prosecuted. They were never discriminated against.”

Earlier this year, confronted by internal and external pressure, Museveni reversed himself and signed the Anti-Homosexuality Bill in the full glare of the media — declaring that homosexuality was Western-imposed. Before signing the law, Museveni asked a team of top-notch Ugandan scientists to help him make an educated decision. The panel’s report did not mince words: “In every society, there is a small number of people with homosexual tendencies.”

Museveni’s bizarre actions can only be interpreted as a political ploy ahead of presidential elections scheduled for early 2016. Having been at the helm since 1986, Museveni faces serious competition both within and outside his party, not to mention a restless population afflicted by a high cost of living, unemployment and a general disgust with rampant corruption. By the stroke of a pen, Museveni succumbed to populist pressures and condemned an otherwise law-abiding sexual minority to maximum sentences of life imprisonment.

Uganda is not alone in its anti-gay crusade. Nigeria recently passed a law criminalizing homosexuality. Several other African countries — including Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, Cameroon and Sierra Leone — have all expressed the desire to emulate Uganda and Nigeria. At least 38 African countries already proscribe consensual same-sex behavior.

The sad, tired but widely accepted myth that homosexuality is un-African has been valorized and erected on the altar of falsehood time after time. It is a myth that has been played out in numerous contexts, most recently over the debate on Uganda’s anti-homosexuality bill. However, historical facts demand that this fable be debunked once and for all.


African sexualities

The 'homosexuality is un-African' myth is anchored on an old practice of selectively invoking African culture by those in power. African women are familiar with the mantra. “It is un-African” whenever they assert their rights, particularly those rights that involve reproductive autonomy and sexual sovereignty.

The mistaken claim that anything is un-African is based on the essentialist assumption that Africa is a homogeneous entity. In reality, however, Africa is made up of thousands of ethnic groups with rich and diverse cultures and sexualities. As appealing as the notion of African culture may be to some people, no such thing exists. Moreover, even if we wanted to imagine an authentic African culture, like all others, it would not be static.

African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay.

The vocabulary used to describe same-sex relations in traditional languages, predating colonialism, is further proof of the existence of such relations in precolonial Africa. To name but a few, the Shangaan of southern Africa referred to same-sex relations as “inkotshane” (male-wife); Basotho women in present-day Lesotho engage in socially sanctioned erotic relationships called “motsoalle” (special friend) and in the Wolof language, spoken in Senegal, homosexual men are known as “gor-digen” (men-women). But to be sure, the context and experiences of such relationships did not necessarily mirror homosexual relations as understood in the West, nor were they necessarily consistent with what we now describe as a gay or queer identity.

Same-sex relationships in Africa were far more complex than what the champions of the “un-African” myth would have us believe. Apart from erotic same-sex desire, in precolonial Africa, several other activities were involved in same-sex (or what the colonialists branded “unnatural”) sexuality. For example, the Ndebele and Shona in Zimbabwe, the Azande in Sudan and Congo, the Nupe in Nigeria and the Tutsi in Rwanda and Burundi all engaged in same-sex acts for spiritual rearmament — i.e., as a source of fresh power for their territories. It was also used for ritual purposes. Among various communities in South Africa, sex education among adolescent peers allowed them to experiment through acts such as “thigh sex” (“hlobonga” among the Zulu, “ukumetsha” among the Xhosa and “gangisa” among the Shangaan).

It is ironic that an African dictator wearing a three-piece suit, caressing an iPhone, speaking in English and liberally quoting the Bible can dare indict anything for being un-African.

In many African societies, same-sex sexuality was also believed to be a source of magical powers to guarantee bountiful crop yields and abundant hunting, good health and to ward off evil spirits. In Angola and Namibia, for instance, a caste of male diviners — known as “zvibanda,” “chibados,” “quimbanda,” gangas” and “kibambaa” — were believed to carry powerful female spirits that they would pass on to fellow men through anal sex.

Even today, marriages between women for reproductive, economic and diplomatic reasons still exist among the Nandi and Kisii of Kenya, the Igbo of Nigeria, the Nuer of Sudan and the Kuria of Tanzania. Like elsewhere around the world, anal intercourse between married opposite-sex partners to avoid pregnancy was historically practiced by many Africans before the invention of modern contraceptive methods.

Clearly, it is not homosexuality that is un-African but the laws that criminalized such relations. In other words, what is alien to the continent is legalized homophobia, exported to Africa by the imperialists where there had been indifference to and even tolerance of same-sex relations. In Uganda such laws were introduced by the British and have been part of our penal law since the late 19th century. The current wave of anti-homosexuality laws sweeping across the continent is therefore part of a thinly veiled and wider political attempt to entrench repressive and undemocratic regimes.


Alien to Africa

Equally alien to the continent are the Abrahamic religions (particularly Christianity and Islam) that often accompany and augment the “un-African” arguments against homosexuality. African traditional religions were (and still are) integrated into the people’s holistic and everyday existence. It was intricately tied to their culture, including sexuality.

With the new religions, many sexual practices that were acceptable in precolonial, pre-Islamic and pre-Christian Africa were encoded with tags of “deviant,” “illegitimate” and “criminal” through the process of proselytization and acculturation.

The struggle to win full citizenship for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex groups is global. Even in countries where homosexuality has been decriminalized, the consciousness of the majority has yet to catch up with reformed laws. In order to completely dispel homophobia from Africa, we may have to employ radically new methods of advocacy that resonate with African philosophies such as Ubuntu. This concept encompasses many values — humaneness, solidarity, interdependence, compassion, respect and dignity. It rejects selfish, paternalistic and restrictive regulations issued by rulers riding high moral horses in complete disregard of the interests of their neighbors, their community and their fellow human beings.

The late Nelson Mandela described this philosophy as “the profound sense that we are human only through the humanity of others, that if we are to accomplish anything in this world, it will in equal measure be due to the work and achievements of others.”

The homosexuality-is-un-African mantra negates everything that African history and tradition has transmitted to posterity. A tenet of African philosophy holds that “I am because you are.” In short, it matters little about the differences that each one of us displays but much about the essence of humanity that binds us together. What really matters is the respect for human dignity and diversity.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/homosexuality-africamuseveniugandanigeriaethiopia.html

Duru1:
Homosexual never existed in my part of Africa and it has never been black too.

aresa:
Very daft, ignorant and unintelligent.

Imokay:
I hope you understand in your heart that with the bold you lack Integrity if you and your spouse engage in any kind of hand job during sex.

Duru1:
Only daft, ignorant and unintelligent dingbats identify human beings with hue. Is there any blue or yellow part of Africa, dummy?

smarthG:
Its actually not un-african but its demonic and won't be allowed to spread allover.

You can pratice n your confine, who cares, but for a it to be celebrated in the public, NO.

Therefore, its un-african!

aresa:





Saying you don't have homosexuals in your part of Africa is like saying you you yourself never existed in your part of Africa.

Or you arrived at your ignorant and idiotic conclusion after conducting your own ignorant survey all over Nigeria, looked inside everybody's bedroom to figure out their sexual acts and leanings, conducted medical and psychological evaluation on every man and woman and they expressed to you their sexual preferences..

You see how dumb and ignorant you sound at your miserable old age?

You're still daft, ignorant and unintelligent.

carinmom:
Are you gay

Reyginus:
Good. I don't think there necessarily has to be a law either.

But then, I don't think culture is a permanent thing. We don't have to thread in the ways of our forefathers before we lay any claim to culture. Once we repeat, over time, a certain convictions we have culture in practise.

And I think Homosexuality in this era runs opposite to the cultures in practise in Africa now and thus not an African thing. Tell me why you disagree if you do.

mensdept:
The truth is homosexuality is a non issue as far as Africans are concerned

RossikisGay:
Be very very careful, your file is here and your pix is here. Look at Obinna Ike aka ROSSIKEthe accursed goat supporting gay marriage