god bless the federal republic of nigeria

GooseBaba:

And you say he is not a hero with what measurement..!?

You are really doing a great job talking to a wall.

from Orlu Imo state . hahaha i hail .. well am from Orsu

Nihilist:


Read the article again.

Then read my post again.

Then read this article
http://www.jpanafrican.com/docs/vol2no7/2.7_JajaAndNana.pdf

I'm done with this.

U can't say what u do not know! The ruling house of England what do u call them? The same principle of treaty king jaja was using! Have u read King Jaja's account while in exile? U can only be marvelled! Pull him down nigeria syndrome! Ever wonder why our children do not read about the colonial concept of of niger delta long b4 ur forefathers met the Europeans! Even lord luggard lived in king jaja's Opobo territory all through his sojourn in Nigeria . Opobo people were so enlighten even before the rest of Nigeria started going to school! They r more professionals reason they v the highest number of professors in River State! Very calculative and peace loving and prosperous and educated.u need to visit the kingdom of Opobo where the 1st port in nigeria is located to know.u l still see the prosperity in the culture, architectural buildings and delegations of power.king Jaja was the only king in west Africa who understood English,read and wrote english,spoke portugese and dutch.he had ambassadors in powerful European kindoms and countries to further diplomacy! The Opobo Ibani Ijaw people were the 1st to settle in Europe and USA as free people with stamp recognition s diplomats from Jaja the great king. Read what is on the sculpture I posted. Chief Peterside was one of the Ambassadors of King Jaja in Europe! One of his great grand children dr peterside happens to be the first optician in Nigeria and another of his son 1st engineer in nigeria. Another of his offspring Atedo peterside chairman ibtc and another soon to be governor of Rivers State. The chief Epelle built the 1st Anglican church in Nigeria. One of his grand child,the 1st mass communication expert innigeria! Introducing the course in nigeria 1st in Unilag! 1st director general nigeria ministry of information! Capt. uranta,the. 1st known black to navigate a ship to Europe! How then did u think King Jaja went to Europe to make sale and make profit?how then do u think king Jaja send his kids to study in England? How then did he send his diplomats and lawyers to Europe?How did opobo people travel and send kids abroad to study,King jaja had a fleet of royal vessels/ships that traded in open waters just like European kingdoms! We had engineers,administrators,capts.lawyers! The kingdom was organise! The European business men had had houses in Opobo town and related with the people as equals ! Visit and blow ur mind and don't rely on secondary data. Till date the Kingdom of Opobo is still pressing the Un to compel the British to pay damages to Opobo kingdom

peleson:


U can't say what u do not know! The ruling house of England what do u call them? The same principle of treaty king jaja was using! Have u read King Jaja's account while in exile? U can only be marvelled! Pul him down nigeria syndrome! Ever wonder why our children do not read about thepre colonial concept of of niger delta long b4 ur forefathers met the Europeans! Even lor luggard lived in king jaja's Opobo territory all through his sojourn in Nigeria . Opobo people were so enlighten even before the rest of Nigeria started going to schoo! They r more professionals reason they v the highest number of professors in River State! Very calculative and peace loving and prosperous and educated.u need to visit the kingdom of Opobo where the 1st port in nigeria is located to know.u l still see the prosperity in the culture, architectural buildings and delegations of power.king Jaja was the only king inwhounderstod west Africa who understood English,read and wrote english,spoke portugese and dutch.he had ambassadors in powerful earopean kindoms nd countries to further diplomacy! The Opobo Ibani Ijaw people were the 1st to settle in earope nd USA as free people with stamp recognition s diplomts from Jaja the great king. Read what is on the sculpture I posted. Chief Peterside was one of the Ambassadors of King Jaja in Europe! One of his great grand children dr peterside happens to bethe first optician in Nigeria and another of his son 1st engineer in nigeria. Another of his offspring Atedo peterside chairman ibtc and nother soon to be governor of Rivers State. The chief Epelle built the 1st Anglican church in Nigeria. One of his grand child,the 1st mass communication expert innigeria! Introducing the course in nigeriawUnil 1st in Unilag! 1st director general nigeria ministry of information! Capt. uranta,the. 1st known black to navigate a shipto earope! How then did u think King Jaja went to Earope to make sale and make profit?how then do u think king Jaja send his kids to study in England? How then did he send his diplomats and lawyers to Europe?King jaja had afleet of royal vessels/ships that traded in open waters just like earopean kingdoms! We hd engineers,administrators,capts.lawyers! The kingdom was organise! The European business men had had houses in Opobo town and related with the people as equals ! Visit and blow ur mind and don't rely on secondary data. Till date the Kingdom of Opobo is still pressing the Un to compel the British to pay damages to Opobo kingdom

Mate the only thing I can get from your post is that he was a rich businessman who could afford to send his children abroad to study.



And that the same few privileged people in Jaja's time are the same privileged ones now.

Did I miss anything?

Some other pictures

Nihilist:


Mate the only thing I can get from your post is that he was a rich businessman who could afford to send his children abroad to study.



And that the same few privileged people in Jaja's time are the same privileged ones now.

Did I miss anything?

U can't possibly say that! Comparing king jaja with Dangote,adenuga n co is an insult! Which rich man in nigeria sends emissaries, diplomats and command an army? My assertion is pure class. Even the richest black man can't command an army not to talk of sending delegates as diplomats to represent a state!the British paid taxes and royalties to king jaja! The king was the Ruler and Controller of the hinterland! Every other ruler were subject to king Jaja's supreme rule! Dare him and die! Ask otumegege!

This is the kind of history easterners need to get acquainted with.

elodie:
. Meaning u dont knw history. There's nothing like taking glory ask your grand father or ask anybody from Opobo Land. Hé was born and still remain an igbo man. So learn history and stop hating on igbo. Merci.

the funny thing is that the speak ibo language in opobo

Real n gr8t king!

luchy34:
the funny thing is that the speak ibo language in opobo

Opobo is Ijaw. Igani people! Not Igbo. They traded in Igbo language in the hinterland because the were able to read n write! Only Jaja was ibo! It was the ijaw Ibani war canoe house of bonny that brought and absorb jaja! The war canoe house that absorb Jaja made him an Ijaw man! The lineage of king David son of Jeese was not jewish! Rehaab was absorb by the Jews! Jesus's davidic parentage was asborb and that made Him jewish and that was what happened in the kingdom.they understand the dynamics of the time long before the USA did, they had a somewhat democratic process entangled with dynasty and the ruling war canoe houses! They were liberal,accommodating, prosperous,they created an environment where anybody can achieve his God given potential regardless, in as much as institutional processes were obeyed and followed!

peleson:

Opobo is Ijaw. Igani people! Not Igbo. They traded in Igbo language in the hinterland because the were able to read n write! Only Jaja was ibo! It was the ijaw Ibani war canoe house of bonny that brought and absorb jaja! The war canoe house that absorb Jaja made him an Ijaw man! The lineage of king David son of Jeese was not jewish! Rehaab was absorb by the Jews! Jesus's davidic parentage was asborb and that made Him jewish and that was what happened in the kingdom.they understand the dynamics of the time long before the USA did, they had a somewhat democratic process entangled with dynasty and the ruling war canoe houses! They were liberal,accommodating, prosperous,they created an environment where anybody can achieve his God given potential regardless, in as much as institutional processes were obeyed and followed!

According to the last Supreme Court judgement,the whole of Opobo is the personal estate of Jaja and his descendants.So,if you agree Jaja was Igbo,it stands to reason his estate is Igbo too.
However,we'll leave that decision to Dandeson Jaja to make,and thus far,he has continually identified with his Amaigbo ancestry while not taking anything away from his Ibani heritage.

modhream:

According to the last Supreme Court judgement,the whole of Opobo is the personal estate of Jaja and his descendants.So,if you agree Jaja was Igbo,it stands to reason his estate is Igbo too.
However,we'll leave that decision to Dandeson Jaja to make,and thus far,he has continually identified with his Amaigbo ancestry while not taking anything away from his Ibani heritage.

As u clearly stated! Agreements were long established before he was crowned King! It is important to note that men of Ibani don't joke with agreements! As ruled by any court on earth,King Jaja is Ibani Ijaw and remains so for ever! Note likewise that English is a Germanic Tribe hence English is no German! German is German while English is English! Jews originated from Or ,a tribe in present day Iraq but Jews are Jews from the foundation of the 12 tribes or house of Isreal and the Or/babyloneans/Iraqis are Or/babyloneans/and iraqis.
Note,King Dandison's communication with the amigbo's is just associative and that is all!as it is, king Jaja is Ijaw in blood,indeed and in truth.
Note also, All British territory is own by Her imperial Majesty .as far as Australia etc

FowlYansh:

keep your foolish admirating to your self please. i'm married to a soldier

but you said your hubby is a cleaner

FowlYansh:

keep your foolish admirating to your self please. i'm married to a soldier

but you said your hubby is a cleaner

peleson:

As u clearly stated! Agreements were long established before he was crowned King! It is important to note that men of Ibani don't joke with agreements! As ruled by any court on earth,King Jaja is Ibani Ijaw and remains so for ever! Note likewise that English is a Germanic Tribe hence English is no German! German is German while English is English! Jews originated from Or ,a tribe in present day Iraq but Jews are Jews from the foundation of the 12 tribes or house of Isreal and the Or/babyloneans/Iraqis are Or/babyloneans/and iraqis.
Note,King Dandison's communication with the amigbo's is just associative and that is all!as it is, king Jaja is Ijaw in blood,indeed and in truth.
Note also, All British territory is own by Her imperial@ Majesty .as far as Australia etc

Which agreement are you talking about?

Sorry to disappoint you, but Jaja was an Igbo man, he never stopped being Igbo for a single day. It's a bitter pill you have to swallow.

modhream:

According to the last Supreme Court judgement,the whole of Opobo is the personal estate of Jaja and his descendants.So,if you agree Jaja was Igbo,it stands to reason his estate is Igbo too.
However,we'll leave that decision to Dandeson Jaja to make,and thus far,he has continually identified with his Amaigbo ancestry while not taking anything away from his Ibani heritage.

Please Post a link to that supreme court judgement on Jajas here.

Nihilist:


Mate your arguments are just hilarious.

Jaja signed away Opobo's sovreignty showing that he was not really opposed to a British Political Takeover.

That already rules out your theory that Jaja was some sort of bastion of indigenous rule.

The only thing Jaja is recorded opposing is an action that directly impacted on his finances.

your trickle down economics theory is not supported by the historical facts. Jaja was not an employer of labour. Jaja was not a producer. Jaja was not creating jobs or wealth. Jaja was not an industrialist. If I am wrong, produce some historical evidence to that effect.

Jaja was a wholesaler who forced farmers to sell to him on his terms,before selling that on for a profit.

Stop trying to over intellectualize an issue that only calls for common sense.

Good business man. Not a Hero

Shymm3x you again? Arguing like a kid all over the place
Dude...piece of advice to ya...brush up on your critical thinking skills and STOP thinking with ya emotions.
Get ya facts right, if you dont have them...just keep quiet.

PabloAfricanus:


Shymm3x you again? Arguing like a kid all over the place
Dude...piece of advice to ya...brush up on your critical thinking skills and STOP thinking with ya emotions.
Get ya facts right, if you dont have them...just keep quiet.

Are you insane?

Nihilist:


Are you insane?

Hey kiddo, quit with the insults okay?
Been following the discussion and ya points were clearly off the mark by like a 1000 miles.
And you definitely sound like the dude I mentioned.
Now be at peace.

PabloAfricanus:


Hey kiddo, quit with the insults okay?
Been following the discussion and ya points were clearly off the mark by like a 1000 miles.
And you definitely sound like the dude I mentioned.
Now be at peace.

Well, a sensible fellow would have expressed his objections to my points instead of :

1. Accusing me of being another poster
2. Asking me to get my facts right, without posting any sensible submission.

PabloAfricanus must be Latin for Idi0t.

I advise that you stay off my mention in the absence of a decent submission, and go and treat your bipolar disorder or something

Nihilist:


Well, a sensible fellow would have expressed his objections to my points instead of :

1. Accusing me of being another poster
2. Asking me to get my facts right, without posting any sensible submission.

PabloAfricanus must be Latin for Idi0t.

I advise that you stay off my mention in the absence of a decent submission, and go and treat your bipolar disorder or something

Insultive are we? I think you can do better than that...
Your reasons for labelling Jaja as a 'great' man and not a 'hero'...were just naive and childish to say the least.
You did not raise any valid point...and I called you out on that.
Your style of writing def matches the dude I mentioned...to a large degree IMO...ofcourse you can disagree.
Just pointing out to you to critically evaluate ya arguments b4 posting them...

Does not really matter...you know...just another online banter.
Having said that...quit with the insults kiddo...alright?
You never know whom you might be talking to.

PabloAfricanus:


Insultive are we? I think you can do better than that...
Your reasons for labelling Jaja as a 'great' man and not a 'hero'...were just naive and childish to say the least.
You did not raise any valid point...and I called you out on that.
Your style of writing def matches the dude I mentioned...to a large degree IMO...ofcourse you can disagree.
Just pointing out to you to critically evaluate ya arguments b4 posting them...

Does not really matter...you know...just another online banter.
Having said that...quit with the insults kiddo...alright?
You never know whom you might be talking to.

Don't know you. Don't care.

If you have something to say about Jaja, then the stage is yours.

If you have specific points to make, then feel free.

But if you say my opinion is naive and childish without having the temerity to articulate a counter argument, then I don't have time to engage in such 'online banter'

And I definitely don't have the time to massage your overly fertile imagination. If you must see the ghosts of other posters, negro go see them in someone else's post.

Come correct or fvck off. It really is that simple.

Nihilist:


Don't know you. Don't care.

If you have something to say about Jaja, then the stage is yours.

If you have specific points to make, then feel free.

But if you say my opinion is naive and childish without having the temerity to articulate a counter argument, then I don't have time to engage in such 'online banter'

And I definitely don't have the time to massage your overly fertile imagination. If you must see the ghosts of other posters, negro go see them in someone else's post.

Come correct or fvck off. It really is that simple.

Well...the counter argument has been well articulated by Phut and the rest...so nothing for me to add really.
If you care to learn...go through their replies to your numerous off mark points...you might just get the drift.
But for the records here's my take...Jaja was one unique African monarch who stood up to the shenanigans of the British invaders.
He caught up quick on the need to modernize the locals and was quite visionary in his policies.
Trade back then was far different from what we have now...guess you would not know how the British operated
among the lands they invaded/colonized.
Jaja protected his interests...and those of his kingdom...against far superior British business men masquerading as agents of
the British crown. He finally paid the ultimate prize...rather than risk Opobo being razed.
That a lot of posters agree makes him a hero.
Ofcourse you are free to disagree...but do so intelligently.

You sound really angry at something tho
Hope you are not one of those guys who go provoking a fight and then complain bitterly when they get bloodied up.
Keep ya insults to yaself kiddo...and address me civilly if you must.

PabloAfricanus:


Well...the counter argument has been well articulated by Phut and the rest...so nothing for me to add really.
If you care to learn...go through their replies to your numerous off mark points...you might just get the drift.
But for the records here's my take...Jaja was one unique African monarch who stood up to the shenanigans of the British invaders.
He caught up quick on the need to modernize the locals and was quite visionary in his policies.
Trade back then was far different from what we have now...guess you would not know how the British operated
among the lands they invaded/colonized.
Jaja protected his interests...and those of his kingdom...against far superior British business men masquerading as agents of
the British crown. He finally paid the ultimate prize...rather than risk Opobo being razed.
That a lot of posters agree makes him a hero.
Ofcourse you are free to disagree...but do so intelligently.

You sound really angry at something tho
Hope you are not one of those guys who go provoking a fight and then complain bitterly when they get bloodied up.
Keep ya insults to yaself kiddo...and address me civilly if you must.

Loool

"Address me civily if you must"

The sheer cheek of that statement.

I'm minding my own business, when some dude quotes me to tell me I argue like a child, and then accuses me of being another random poster.

Dude then instructs me to be 'civil to him'

.

I cant even be arsed to discuss anything with you.
During my discussions with your friends, I was the only one who bothered to post historical accounts, and reference articles by learned academics.

But I'm the one who argued like a child. Lol

Mate go and treat your bipolar disorder.

I'm done.

pazienza:


Please Post a link to that supreme court judgement on Jajas here.

I'll look for it,was widely reported.Not sure what purpose it'll serve posting it here,King Dandeson Jaja can choose to be whoever he wants himself,his family and his estate to be.What is no longer in doubt is that he can't be dictated to by any local group,as pertain Opobo native affairs

Nihilist:


During my discussions with your friends, I was the only one who bothered to post historical accounts, and reference articles by learned academics.

Dont credit yaself with posting references that only busted ya points.
Or rather dont praise yaself for posting historical accounts that hold no meaning to the discussion.
You quoted Jaja's 'trading' practices completely out of context...and attempted to cook up a mishmash of
unrelated facts to justify your argument...that a man nay a king who actually stood up to the greedy British is simply great
and not a hero.
Because according to you...he was a 'cut throat' bad business man...who should have allowed other profit
seeking business men to erode the margins on his commodities...
Cos apparently he did not bend over and hand over the control of his trading routes to the kind British...
He also did not allow hinterland traders direct access to the markets he controlled...
He also did not allow the wise British traders set the prices instead of him Jaja...
Even more importantly he completely monopolized the trade in a kingdom he founded and ruled...instead of
allowing other traders compete openly with him, crash his commodity prices, or sell at prices they choose to whomever...
The sheer naiveté of ya reasoning apparently eludes you...

Nihilist:

Mate go and treat your bipolar disorder.

I'm done.

Smh...insults wont win you any points in any discussion kiddo.
Show some civility atleast...
You could actually have proved you are the superior man by not resorting to insults.
But what do you know? Just a kiddo right?

PabloAfricanus:

Dont credit yaself with posting references that only busted ya points.
Or rather dont praise yaself for posting historical accounts that hold no meaning to the discussion.
You quoted Jaja's 'trading' practices completely out of context...and attempted to cook up a mishmash of
unrelated facts to justify your argument...that a man nay a king who actually stood up to the greedy British is simply great
and not a hero.
Because according to you...he was a 'cut throat' bad business man...who should have allowed other profit
seeking business men to erode the margins on his commodities...
Cos apparently he did not bend over and hand over the control of his trading routes to the kind British...
He also did not allow hinterland traders direct access to the markets he controlled...
He also did not allow the wise British traders set the prices instead of him Jaja...
Even more importantly he completely monopolized the trade in a kingdom he founded and ruled...instead of
allowing other traders compete openly with him, crash his commodity prices, or sell at prices they choose to whomever...
The sheer naiveté of ya reasoning apparently eludes you...


Smh...insults wont win you any points in any discussion kiddo.
Show some civility atleast...
You could actually have proved you are the superior man by not resorting to insults.
But what do you know? Just a kiddo right?

like your friends, you seem to be going off a tangent.

I said Jaja was a great businessman, and not a Hero.

The whole crux of my argument is is that everything Jaja did was to protect his own business interests.

Your entire long winded post up there does not discount that argument.

Unless, to you protecting your market share counts as a heroic act.

PabloAfricanus:


Shymm3x you again? Arguing like a kid all over the place
Dude...piece of advice to ya...brush up on your critical thinking skills and STOP thinking with ya emotions.
Get ya facts right, if you dont have them...just keep quiet.

Stark illiterate, what has the nonsense on this thread got to do with me, like I give two fvcks about a Jaja of neverland?

And why must every darn person be me?

Fvck off my mentions, and keep my dyck outta ya mouth.

Shymm3x:


Stark illiterate, what has the nonsense on this thread got to do with me, like I give two fvcks about a Jaja of neverland?

And why must every darn person be me?

Fvck off my mentions, and keep my dyck outta ya mouth.

actually talking smack doesn't make you appear tough....

So its confirmed then...
@illiterate seriously??...here I was thinking I was a bit well read
Kiddo, learn to be civil to ya betters ok?

PabloAfricanus:



actually talking smack doesn't make you appear tough....

So its confirmed then...
@illiterate seriously??...here I was thinking I was a bit well read
Kiddo, learn to be civil to ya betters ok?

Lmao @ this puerile turd. You want to talk about civility, yet you spammed my handle on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with me, with infantile rants about being emotional and all over the place. Are you sure you haven't been skipping ya meds? Then again it is typical with folks from ya part of naij - throw stones and hide ya hands, and everything has to be about emotional impulses rather than logical reasoning.

Aren't you the same plonker that asserted that Awolowo looks more culpable in the 1966 coup than a Zik who miraculously left the country two days before the coup? And the same clown who posted a textbook worth of epistle on the USA vs Russia thread, saying a lot without saying anything? If you are not a stark illiterate, then I don't know what you are. Or maybe a blinkered git is more applicable, no?

Anyway, use ya brain cells next time and check people's post history before spamming my handle everywhere. I'm not responsible for anyone trying to post like me or everyone that lives in the UK who's using British words.

Effing stark illiterate lol.

peleson:

U can't possibly say that! Comparing king jaja with Dangote,adenuga n co is an insult! Which rich man in nigeria sends emissaries, diplomats and command an army? My assertion is pure class. Even the richest black man can't command an army not to talk of sending delegates as diplomats to represent a state!the British paid taxes and royalties to king jaja! The king was the Ruler and Controller of the hinterland! Every other ruler were subject to king Jaja's supreme rule! Dare him and die! Ask otumegege!

Except the OBA of BENIN.

Who is a business man compared to a King?