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Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by oluseyiforjesus(m): 1:13pm On Aug 05, 2015

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Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by parisbookaddict(f): 2:05pm On Aug 05, 2015

kimond101:
1. Since we can't find the original version of the gospel that is why we don't know where to reference translated Bibles and proof its validity in the original language Jesus spoke. Reason why human can remove and add to the bible.

2. Jesus called God his father he also called God "our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name....." does imply that we are all children of God not in the literal sense.

3.
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)

The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).
Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.

The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.

The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.

Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)

‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)

How did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)

‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)

Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?

The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God:

“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)

Disciples did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (Confirmed In Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)

When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)

The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.

‘they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)

‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)

‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)

The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.’ (John 5:19)

‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)

The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal with God
and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:

‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:

‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)

If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.

The reality is there are many contradictions in the bible that even yourself cannot seem to explain.

God is not human . Worship God alone. He doesn't bwhet neither was he begotten and there's nothing comparable to Him. Exalted is he above all the ascribe in partner in worship with him.

Jozzy4, mamboroo etc pay close attention.

Its sad that people cherry pick bible passages without a holistic understanding

Was jesus the son of man (human): yes
Is jesus the Son of God (divine): yes

If u deny that jesus is divine(Son of God) then the spirit of the anti christ dwells within you( as it dwelt in mohammed, joseph smith and co)

John makes it known in 1john 2:22

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

1john4: 3 warns again

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Simply put, christ, the word of God came in the flesh, jesus is the Son of God, word of God and one with God.. Is that difficult to understand. As the son of man he existed in the flesh and dwelt amongst us.(John 1:1-5)

The Gospel is full of Proof that Jesus is God! He Himself gave us these proofs of His Deity as God!

some Muslims and pseudo-christians then claim he wasn't son of God...these people convienently forget he also calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time in both the OT and NT..and was WORSHIPPED even in the flesh.

Infact, his stance on his divinity led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy by saying he was son of God and King of the jews..But this was already propheised in isaiah 53: 3-12 centuries earlier. His death and crucifixion was described in chillingly accurate detail. By a real prophet, isaiah, who didn't go around murdering people or sleeping with dozens of women.

Muslims also forget he controlled the weather instantly several times as recorded in the bible, something only God does.

So why do u Muslims (and skeptics) doubt Jesus...is it because 600 years after the death,resurrection and accension of Christ, an Arab man claimed he talked to an entity in a dark cave which only he saw, this entity then tells him this,
Qur'an 4:171 "O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your
religion: nor say of God naught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son
of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: So believe
in God and His messengers..."

in contrast to truth already revealed ,

(Philippians 2:5-9, NAS95) 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which
was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of
God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but
emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being
made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,
even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him,
and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

Jesus forgives sins, something only God does. He can forgive yours.

People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he NEVER said No don't worship me(Matthew 14:30-33). Do you kniow why .. Because he is one with God.

We Christians know on earth Jesus had 2 natures; human(son of man) and divine(son of God)..

However Muslims don't believe God has the power to express himself in his own creation. The Islamic allah is limited according to Muslims and perhaps this is why Muslims often kill for him since doing it himself is too much handwork.

This Arab man went on to say that;
Qur'an 4:157
They said (in boast), "we killed christ jesus the son of mary, the messenger of Allah". But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubt, without(certain) knowledge, but only conjective to follow, for a surety they killed him not.

And

Qur'an 9: 30
"AND THE JEWS SAY, EZRA IS THE SON OF Allah, AND THE CHRISTIAN SAY: THE MESSIAH IS THE SON OF Allah, THESE ARE THE WORDS OF THEIR MOUTHS; THEY INITIATE THE SAYING OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVED; MAY Allah DESTROY THEM; HOW THEY ARE TURNED AWAY

But the bible 600 years earlier has clearly told us from a witness in

Matthew 27:35, 35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments,
casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my
vesture did they cast lots.

1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Mohammed makes his Islamic allah look like someone who makes one error after another. From judism to Christianity then islam, then sunni islam, by the way christianity has hundreds of millions more followers than Islam and has always out numbered islam even tho islam converts with violencE and agressive al taqiyyah. Most muslim countries are in chaos. Muslims kill each other like rabid dogs. the quran is filled with errors and is easily misundertood by jihadists (according to moderate Muslims). So much mistakes. Can u truth in a man who founded such an evil cult. NO.

Let's understand one thing;

Jesus helped people who called him Lord, and never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33)

Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. Jesus judges us all, Jesus is one with God and the son of God. The scripture is very clear on the nature of Jesus and hours divinity.

Check also Mark 11: 17-18 Mathew 11:27, 17:5,John 5:17-18 and peters answer to Christ's question about who he was in Mathew 16:16. Go to the old testament thousands of years before jesus and see the prophesy of his coming isaiah 40-3:5 and 53: 3-12

Muslims often claim Mohammed is propheised about in the bible, well I checked and this is the closest I saw the bible warning about people like him;

1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.

Mohammed in the period before he died goes on to say;
Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no
power to harm you, nor to guide
you.” (Khalifa)
“It is not in my power to cause you
harm, or to bring you to the Right
Path.” (Hilali-Khan)
Do you really understand the gravity of
Muhammad’s statement when he said, “I possess no power to guide you” or “to
bring you to the Right Path”? Is it not a
prophet’s duty to guide the congregation of God to the “Right Path”? Can you now depend on this man to guide you to salvation? Would it be wise for you to do so?

Every single book of the new testament except one of paul's letters ones about FALSE PROPHETS.

This is one of the ways to discern a false teacher from a true one.

In 1 Corinthians 14:33 My bible tells me in clear terms that God is not the author of confusion. There is so much confusion in Islam ask the Wahabi, Salafists, sunnis, shites/shia, alwaites, ahmedies, alevis etc. They kill each other because of their confusion on the proper way to serve allah.

Once again I turn to the bible which tells me in

Matthew 7:15-20,“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."

So in conclusion;

God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (John 17:5, Matthew 17:5 And Mark 9:7)
Jesus called himself the Son of God and one with God (Matthew 11:27)

His disciples called him the son of God.

Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God.

Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God. Luke 1.

John the baptist called Jesus the son of God.

The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God and one with God. Eg Mark 11: 17-18

Demons he casted out called him the son of God.

Yet u Muslims and other pseudo-christians choose to believe the words/ share the ideas of a monotheistic pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile wife beater who came 600 years after Christ and was poisoned by a jewish woman, died after suffering for 4 years while reciting chants hoping to be cured. I just don't get it. Is the chains of Islam that strong.

May the one true God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, father of Jesus set you free when u come to him for truth.

If u still don't understand my message, then watch this beautiful and very short video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_5lZTKeRCY

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Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Jozzy4: 2:16pm On Aug 05, 2015

@parisbookaddict , show us where Jesus said " I am God" ?

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by parisbookaddict(f): 5:07pm On Aug 05, 2015

Jozzy4:
@parisbookaddict , show us where Jesus said " I am God" ?

Apparently u didnot read my post where I cited several verses supporting christ's divinity so I will present to u one verse;

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [size=13pt]
30 I and my Father are one. [/size]

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Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by channelz: 7:11pm On Aug 05, 2015

parisbookaddict:
Apparently u didnot read my post where I cited several verses supporting christ's divinity so I will present to u one verse;

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [size=13pt]
30 I and my Father are one. [/size]

In addition to your post, summarily:

There is but one God, but one Power! What then is the Trinity?

As the Son of God, Jesus, is of the Father, so also is the “Holy Spirit”. Both are Parts of Him, belonging completely to Him, and inseparable from Him. They are like the arms of a body which can act severally, but still belong to the body if this is to be complete. Yet they can only carry out separate actions as a part of the whole.

Such is God the Father, in His Omnipotence and Wisdom! At His right hand, as Part of Himself, is God the Son, Love; and on His left is God the “Holy Spirit”, Justice. They have both emanated from God the Father and belong to Him as a unity. This is the Trinity of the One God!

The difference in the outworking between God the Father and God the Son was already clear to many, but the conception of the “Holy Spirit” was still confused.

The “Holy Spirit” is the Will of God the Father, the Spirit of Truth Which, severed from Him, works separately in all Creation, and yet like the Love, in the form of the Son, remains closely connected with the Father and one with Him.

The inexorable Laws of Creation which spread through the whole Universe like a network of nerves and bring about the unconditional reciprocal action forming man’s fate or karma ... are of the “Holy
Spirit” or, more explicitly, are the activity of the “Holy Spirit”!

That is why the Saviour said that no one may sin against the “Holy Spirit” unpunished, because through Its inexorable and immovable reciprocal action the retribution falls back on the originator, on the starting point, whether it be good or evil.

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Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Jozzy4: 7:28pm On Aug 05, 2015*

parisbookaddict:
Apparently u didnot read my post where I cited several verses supporting christ's divinity so I will present to u one verse;

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all ; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [size=13pt]

The color part finish you .

30 I and my Father are one. [/size]

Are u speaking with a kid ? He didnt say " I and my father are God" , couples are one , we are also " one" joh 17:21 does it mean we are God ? ;

Show us where jesus said " I am God" ?

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by parisbookaddict(f): 9:44pm On Aug 05, 2015

Jozzy4:
The color part finish you .

Are u speaking with a kid ? He didnt say " I and my father are God" , couples are one , we are also " one" joh 17:21 does it mean we are God ? ;

Show us where jesus said " I am God" ?

You language shows u are childish. What do u mean by "The color part finish you"
cherry picking verses will leave u confused, why don't u seek to appreciate the verse as a whole and grasp its message.

I have aLready mentioned to you that God the father is father to God the son. Can a son be greater than his father...if his father is the Creator? Jesus is one with thE father and worship can and is directed to him becausE he is one with God as he said in john 10:30... In several passages In the bible jesus was worshipped and he didn't object. Read daniel 7:12 and see the prophesy as to how Jesus has dominion over his father's creation.

Several witnesses as contained in the bible have presented conclusive evidence that jesus is God. I have presented u with almost a dozen of such references.

You keep thinking that God is jesus, hence ur confusion, this is different from jesus is God .

If u think God is jesus then u are not taking into account of the father and holy spirit.

Jesus is God, a part of God, son of God. Why is this so difficult for u to understand. If u want u can read up channelz 's post above for his comment on this... If u are open minded and not indoctrinated to deny the divinity of christ then u may understand.

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Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Jozzy4: 10:38pm On Aug 05, 2015

parisbookaddict:
You language shows u are childish. What do u mean by "The color part finish you"
cherry picking verses will leave u confused, why don't u seek to appreciate the verse as a whole and grasp its message.

I have aLready mentioned to you that God the father is father to God the son. Can a son be greater than his father...if his father is the Creator? Jesus is one with thE father and worship can and is directed to him becausE he is one with God as he said in john 10:30... In several passages In the bible jesus was worshipped and he didn't object. Read daniel 7:12 and see the prophesy as to how Jesus has dominion over his father's creation.

We must be God too, infact a part of God , john 17:22 " .. in order that they may be one , JUST AS we are one"

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by channelz: 11:34pm On Aug 05, 2015

Luke 20:9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.

20:10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty.

20:11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty.

20:12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.

20:13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him...

God in His Purity could no longer reveal Himself to the debased intellectual human beings, because they were no longer capable of sensing, seeing or hearing His Messengers. Those few still able to do so were ridiculed because the materialists, with their limited horizon bound to space and time, rejected as impossible all thought of any expanse beyond that. Such a thing was quite inconceivable to them.

Therefore the prophets(servants) whose penetrative power was too weak no longer sufficed.

How could the way to God be found in such conditions? It was impossible, unless help came from God! And He was merciful!

Thus it was necessary that a Mediator between the Godhead and erring humanity should come, One endowed with greater power than all the others had possessed, so that He would be able to penetrate.

For this reason God in His Love, through an Act of His Will, severed a Part of Himself and incarnated It in flesh and blood, in a physical body of male sex – Jesus of Nazareth, Who thus became the Incarnate Word, the Incarnate Love of God, the Son of God.

The whole World never remained the same with the advent of the Son of God.

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Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by misreal(m): 11:42pm On Aug 05, 2015

mamboroo:
Helo again!
Pls don't judge me badly.its true I have been in a very hard life experience but my mind is still OK am sure of it.
Yes 7 yrs in jail can make someone mad completely but am sure am not mad at all
I was born in a good christian family so am a christian by nature tho I don't understand now if am christian or not.yes am going to church but I don't understand if I understand anymore.
As I said I was born christian ,raised in christian beliefs and morals.but am a human being normal human being am not an angel or a saint I did many mistakes yes .but as we believe in our religion Jesus paid for all in the cross and also in roman 8 verse one says there is no judgement or punishment for those who are in Jesus Christ!
So I though and believe being christian means life enjoyment as long Christ is there at the throne and your his follower
I grow up believing and believing
Trusting and trusting
Loving and loving
Then horrible thing happened in my life
I applied my faith but nothing happened
Here am no direction living in misfortune as if I don't have any God!
Its OK that's life
My point here why I think Christianity is not true is
Firstly they don't preach the truth from the beggining
For instance they preach pray for anything in Jesus name and it will be given to you!
You pray you pray nothing happen
They ignore old bible and they its not practicle since Jesus is there
But the tilth thing .. For their benefits not!
There are many scriptures which contradicts each other I can't quote all here
I learnt the secret of life in a very hard way
I trully believe In God and Jesus too
But those teaching about them in this world are not for real
Remember those religious book were written by people like us.
Yes Jesus was there but do u think he said every word they claim he said?
God is not a liver
How can he say pray for anything in Jesus name I will do but we pray and nothing happen!!! What will he achieve by lying to us.
I love God no matter what happen to me I do love him.and I will always love him but not the way people want me to do.
My dears many Christians are suffering
Praying day and night
But others enjoy life don't we worship the same God
What you will hear I have more power am more anointed am the calling one!
Am sure we have been deceived from the time immemorial!
I know what I believe now cause I have seen with my own eyes!

the problem you have is that you pray because of what you can get.until you stop seeing God as a father Xmas,whom you would run to only in times of need,he will never respond to your prayer.I suffered from unanswered prayers myself,but it began to stop. When I started praying to know God more.my advice to you is,seek God by asking to know him more and I tell you,you will forget that you have problems when he starts revealing himself to you.

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by nynbrada: 2:04am On Aug 06, 2015

parisbookaddict:
Apparently u didnot read my post where I cited several verses supporting christ's divinity so I will present to u one verse;

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [size=13pt]
30 I and my Father are one. [/size]

[b]God bless you. You have given so many compelling verses of the scripture that proves the divinity of Jesus. Yet, this Is_lame children, atheists and psuedo xtians on nairaland never seem to be able to grasp the truth.

And the reason for this is not far fetched:

2 Cor 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Vs4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

Eph 4:17 This i say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

Vs 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.

well just to compound their woe, let me give them one additional portion of the scripture that proves the divinity of Christ:

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and was, and is to come, the ALMIGHTY.[/b]

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Jozzy4: 12:46pm On Aug 06, 2015

nynbrada

well just to compound their woe, let me give them one additional portion of the scripture that proves the divinity of Christ:

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and was, and is to come, the ALMIGHTY.[/b]

Indoctrination shocked

, is revelation 1:8 refering to Jesus ?

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by iamrealdeji(m): 1:45pm On Aug 06, 2015

mamboroo:
Helo again!
Pls don't judge me badly.its true I have been in a very hard life experience but my mind is still OK am sure of it.
Yes 7 yrs in jail can make someone mad completely but am sure am not mad at all
I was born in a good christian family so am a christian by nature tho I don't understand now if am christian or not.yes am going to church but I don't understand if I understand anymore.
As I said I was born christian ,raised in christian beliefs and morals.but am a human being normal human being am not an angel or a saint I did many mistakes yes .but as we believe in our religion Jesus paid for all in the cross and also in roman 8 verse one says there is no judgement or punishment for those who are in Jesus Christ!
So I though and believe being christian means life enjoyment as long Christ is there at the throne and your his follower
I grow up believing and believing
Trusting and trusting
Loving and loving
Then horrible thing happened in my life
I applied my faith but nothing happened
Here am no direction living in misfortune as if I don't have any God!
Its OK that's life
My point here why I think Christianity is not true is
Firstly they don't preach the truth from the beggining
For instance they preach pray for anything in Jesus name and it will be given to you!
You pray you pray nothing happen
They ignore old bible and they its not practicle since Jesus is there
But the tilth thing .. For their benefits not!
There are many scriptures which contradicts each other I can't quote all here
I learnt the secret of life in a very hard way
I trully believe In God and Jesus too
But those teaching about them in this world are not for real
Remember those religious book were written by people like us.
Yes Jesus was there but do u think he said every word they claim he said?
God is not a liver
How can he say pray for anything in Jesus name I will do but we pray and nothing happen!!! What will he achieve by lying to us.
I love God no matter what happen to me I do love him.and I will always love him but not the way people want me to do.
My dears many Christians are suffering
Praying day and night
But others enjoy life don't we worship the same God
What you will hear I have more power am more anointed am the calling one!
Am sure we have been deceived from the time immemorial!
I know what I believe now cause I have seen with my own eyes!

Do you know what honey,everything you said here makes a lot of sense,God is good,Jesus is a good person,but people seem to get him misquoted a lot.
First of all,let me tell you this from the perspective of Islam,In Islam,we believe in destiny and there is no one in this world that won't go through hard times, some people that are rich definitely have what they're battling with that the poor is lucky not to be battling with. In Islam,God enriched the rich for him to be the handler and manager of his wealth and give the poor a large portion from it,the stress which the rich is going through is managing the money,struggling to multiply it,attending meetings is his sacrifice,but the poor just sit down and collect his zakat from the rich,which balances it up,God created the rich for him to take care of the poor,and they are all equal(where islam is really practiced) and that's why in Islam,there is nothing like tithe and offering,an Imam must have his own work that gives him his daily bread rather than getting paid from mosque,there is nothing like that,Imam is doing it for God and not for money,and Imams don't get paid for leading prayers and preaching.
The reason why there are many poor today is because most people that are rich are not doing what God sent Prophet Muhammad to tell his people to do,clerics have the guage and calculation for how to share your wealth every year which is very compulsory and if your networth is up to around 670000 naira and above,you must do zakat out of it,we call it zakat and it's done every ramadan. For example,a rich man that's worth 40 billion naira must take 1 billion naira out of it and give to people that are needy(like people that are trying to set up business,people that need for taking care of themselves e.t.c) from this,people shouldn't ask anyone before they can set up businesses and become wealthy from it,but Nigerian muslim rich men are selfish and they don't follow what God said they should do and it's a great sin if they can't do it,most of these rich men that worth maybe 40 billion naira can't even take out 400 million naira and give to the poor which is still not enough according to what God tell them to give to the poor.
That's why in the middle east,those arab billionaires would be begging you to pls accept their zakat,they'd be begging you to please collect money during hajj in ramadan period,that's why they seem not to have poor people ,they have fear of God in their heart than our rich men here,an Arabian rich man,even if he worths 40 trillion naira,he'd give out nothing less than the compulsory 1 trillion naira to the poor every year,tell me,which poor wouldn't get rich if out of the money,like at least 2 million naira is given to him every ramadan? That's the reason why there are no poor people in middle east,our people in Nigeria have turned it to business,many of them go to hajj just to collect zakat because they know that arab rich men are looking for whom to give because their own people are already fed and don't need more.
President Buhari talked about Sharia once and everybody was dissing him,this is a system in Sharia which is total poverty eradication and not some silly poverty eradication politicians do in Nigeria that they'd be giving out motorcycles and sewing machine. Sharia is not all about stoning adulterers,cutting hands of thieves and armed robbers,there is level in Sharia,the level Buhari referenced is just applying the ones that would be acceptable to both religions,eradicate poverty and won't cause any problem. Many people don't realise that the way Buhari is ruling right now is actually Sharia,Sharia in leadership simply means fear of God in the way you rule.
So,in Islam,there is nothing like Imam enjoying while others are starving,you won't see any Imam buying private jet and living big.
Believe me,if a nation is ruled the way Prophet Muhammad instructed us to rule and the people live the way he said we should live,there wouldn't be poverty and that's what arabs are enjoying.
Those are the reasons why the western world hate arabs,its more like envy like how are these arabs doing it? But it's not the intelligence of arabs that makes their land poverty-free,its because they follow prophet Muhammad in everything they do,and thats why the British Philosopher Bertrand Russell said Muhammad can solve all the world's problem while drinking a cup of coffee

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Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Nobody: 3:25pm On Aug 06, 2015

iamrealdeji:
Do you know what honey,everything you said here makes a lot of sense,God is good,Jesus is a good person,but people seem to get him misquoted a lot.
First of all,let me tell you this from the perspective of Islam,In Islam,we believe in destiny and there is no one in this world that won't go through hard times, some people that are rich definitely have what they're battling with that the poor is lucky not to be battling with. In Islam,God enriched the rich for him to be the handler and manager of his wealth and give the poor a large portion from it,the stress which the rich is going through is managing the money,struggling to multiply it,attending meetings is his sacrifice,but the poor just sit down and collect his zakat from the rich,which balances it up,God created the rich for him to take care of the poor,and they are all equal(where islam is really practiced) and that's why in Islam,there is nothing like tithe and offering,an Imam must have his own work that gives him his daily bread rather than getting paid from mosque,there is nothing like that,Imam is doing it for God and not for money,and Imams don't get paid for leading prayers and preaching.
The reason why there are many poor today is because most people that are rich are not doing what God sent Prophet Muhammad to tell his people to do,clerics have the guage and calculation for how to share your wealth every year which is very compulsory and if your networth is up to around 670000 naira and above,you must do zakat out of it,we call it zakat and it's done every ramadan. For example,a rich man that's worth 40 billion naira must take 1 billion naira out of it and give to people that are needy(like people that are trying to set up business,people that need for taking care of themselves e.t.c) from this,people shouldn't ask anyone before they can set up businesses and become wealthy from it,but Nigerian muslim rich men are selfish and they don't follow what God said they should do and it's a great sin if they can't do it,most of these rich men that worth maybe 40 billion naira can't even take out 400 million naira and give to the poor which is still not enough according to what God tell them to give to the poor.
That's why in the middle east,those arab billionaires would be begging you to pls accept their zakat,they'd be begging you to please collect money during hajj in ramadan period,that's why they seem not to have poor people ,they have fear of God in their heart than our rich men here,an Arabian rich man,even if he worths 40 trillion naira,he'd give out nothing less than the compulsory 1 trillion naira to the poor every year,tell me,which poor wouldn't get rich if out of the money,like at least 2 million naira is given to him every ramadan? That's the reason why there are no poor people in middle east,our people in Nigeria have turned it to business,many of them go to hajj just to collect zakat because they know that arab rich men are looking for whom to give because their own people are already fed and don't need more.
President Buhari talked about Sharia once and everybody was dissing him,this is a system in Sharia which is total poverty eradication and not some silly poverty eradication politicians do in Nigeria that they'd be giving out motorcycles and sewing machine. Sharia is not all about stoning adulterers,cutting hands of thieves and armed robbers,there is level in Sharia,the level Buhari referenced is just applying the ones that would be acceptable to both religions,eradicate poverty and won't cause any problem. Many people don't realise that the way Buhari is ruling right now is actually Sharia,Sharia in leadership simply means fear of God in the way you rule.
So,in Islam,there is nothing like Imam enjoying while others are starving,you won't see any Imam buying private jet and living big.
Believe me,if a nation is ruled the way Prophet Muhammad instructed us to rule and the people live the way he said we should live,there wouldn't be poverty and that's what arabs are enjoying.
Those are the reasons why the western world hate arabs,its more like envy like how are these arabs doing it? But it's not the intelligence of arabs that makes their land poverty-free,its because they follow prophet Muhammad in everything they do,and thats why the British Philosopher Bertrand Russell said Muhammad can solve all the world's problem while drinking a cup of coffee

thax honey for your cool comment! Can you give me your zakat?

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by nynbrada: 8:43pm On Aug 07, 2015*

Jozzy4:
Indoctrination , is revelation 1:8 refering to Jesus ?

No, it is not refering to Jesus. It is actually mohammed that it is refering to.

I guess he(mohammed) is the one which is, which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Now dear can you solve the riddle i just gave you?....need a little expo?---will help you out.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Vs 17 And when i saw him, i fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not; I am the first and last:

Vs 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and behold, i am alive for evermore, Amen.

Well since i'm not done with you yet, i'm going to give a home work so that we can test how fast you are on the up take.

Now go and study Revelation chapter 1-3, then when you are done, you come back and tell me who is indoctrinated and spiritually blind and ignorant.

Cheers!!

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Jozzy4: 12:34am On Aug 08, 2015

nynbrada:
No, it is not refering to Jesus. It is actually mohammed that it is refering to.

I guess he(mohammed) is the one which is, which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Now dear can you solve the riddle i just gave you?....need a little expo?---will help you out.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Vs 17 And when i saw him, i fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, fear not; I am the first and last:

Vs 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and behold, i am alive for evermore, Amen.

Well since i'm not done with you yet, i'm going to give a home work so that we can test how fast you are on the up take.

Now go and study Revelation chapter 1-3, then when you are done, you come back and tell me who is indoctrinated and spiritually blind and ignorant.

Cheers!!

Next time , Keep your arrogance in your pocket . The bible clearly differentiate the one who is and who was and who is to come separately from Jesus

Revelation 1:4–5

4John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from him who is and
who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the Dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our
Sins by his blood

Cant you see the clear difference between the one who is , who was , and who is to come SEPARATED from the seven spirits , AND SEPARATED from Jesus himself ?

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by meetlekan(m): 6:35pm On Aug 08, 2015

parisbookaddict:
Jozzy4, mamboroo etc pay close attention.

Its sad that people cherry pick bible passages without a holistic understanding

Was jesus the son of man (human): yes
Is jesus the Son of God (divine): yes

If u deny that jesus is divine(Son of God) then the spirit of the anti christ dwells within you( as it dwelt in mohammed, joseph smith and co)

John makes it known in 1john 2:22

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

1john4: 3 warns again

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Simply put, christ, the word of God came in the flesh, jesus is the Son of God, word of God and one with God.. Is that difficult to understand. As the son of man he existed in the flesh and dwelt amongst us.(John 1:1-5)

The Gospel is full of Proof that Jesus is God! He Himself gave us these proofs of His Deity as God!

some Muslims and pseudo-christians then claim he wasn't son of God...these people convienently forget he also calls himself (and is called) "son of God" dozens of time in both the OT and NT..and was WORSHIPPED even in the flesh.

Infact, his stance on his divinity led to his crucifixion since the Jews claimed he committed blasphemy by saying he was son of God and King of the jews..But this was already propheised in isaiah 53: 3-12 centuries earlier. His death and crucifixion was described in chillingly accurate detail. By a real prophet, isaiah, who didn't go around murdering people or sleeping with dozens of women.

Muslims also forget he controlled the weather instantly several times as recorded in the bible, something only God does.

So why do u Muslims (and skeptics) doubt Jesus...is it because 600 years after the death,resurrection and accension of Christ, an Arab man claimed he talked to an entity in a dark cave which only he saw, this entity then tells him this,
Qur'an 4:171 "O people of the book! Commit no excesses in your
religion: nor say of God naught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son
of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: So believe
in God and His messengers..."

in contrast to truth already revealed ,

(Philippians 2:5-9, NAS95) 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which
was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of
God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but
emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being
made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,
even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him,
and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

Jesus forgives sins, something only God does. He can forgive yours.

People he healed fell on their knees and worshipped him and yet he NEVER said No don't worship me(Matthew 14:30-33). Do you kniow why .. Because he is one with God.

We Christians know on earth Jesus had 2 natures; human(son of man) and divine(son of God)..

However Muslims don't believe God has the power to express himself in his own creation. The Islamic allah is limited according to Muslims and perhaps this is why Muslims often kill for him since doing it himself is too much handwork.

This Arab man went on to say that;
Qur'an 4:157
They said (in boast), "we killed christ jesus the son of mary, the messenger of Allah". But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubt, without(certain) knowledge, but only conjective to follow, for a surety they killed him not.

And

Qur'an 9: 30
"AND THE JEWS SAY, EZRA IS THE SON OF Allah, AND THE CHRISTIAN SAY: THE MESSIAH IS THE SON OF Allah, THESE ARE THE WORDS OF THEIR MOUTHS; THEY INITIATE THE SAYING OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVED; MAY Allah DESTROY THEM; HOW THEY ARE TURNED AWAY

But the bible 600 years earlier has clearly told us from a witness in

Matthew 27:35, 35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments,
casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my
vesture did they cast lots.

1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Mohammed makes his Islamic allah look like someone who makes one error after another. From judism to Christianity then islam, then sunni islam, by the way christianity has hundreds of millions more followers than Islam and has always out numbered islam even tho islam converts with violencE and agressive al taqiyyah. Most muslim countries are in chaos. Muslims kill each other like rabid dogs. the quran is filled with errors and is easily misundertood by jihadists (according to moderate Muslims). So much mistakes. Can u truth in a man who founded such an evil cult. NO.

Let's understand one thing;

Jesus helped people who called him Lord, and never rebuked when people worshipped him (Matthew 14:30-33)

Moreover in John 5:22-23 22 , the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. Jesus judges us all, Jesus is one with God and the son of God. The scripture is very clear on the nature of Jesus and hours divinity.

Check also Mark 11: 17-18 Mathew 11:27, 17:5,John 5:17-18 and peters answer to Christ's question about who he was in Mathew 16:16. Go to the old testament thousands of years before jesus and see the prophesy of his coming isaiah 40-3:5 and 53: 3-12

Muslims often claim Mohammed is propheised about in the bible, well I checked and this is the closest I saw the bible warning about people like him;

1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.

Mohammed in the period before he died goes on to say;
Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no
power to harm you, nor to guide
you.” (Khalifa)
“It is not in my power to cause you
harm, or to bring you to the Right
Path.” (Hilali-Khan)
Do you really understand the gravity of
Muhammad’s statement when he said, “I possess no power to guide you” or “to
bring you to the Right Path”? Is it not a
prophet’s duty to guide the congregation of God to the “Right Path”? Can you now depend on this man to guide you to salvation? Would it be wise for you to do so?

Every single book of the new testament except one of paul's letters ones about FALSE PROPHETS.

This is one of the ways to discern a false teacher from a true one.

In 1 Corinthians 14:33 My bible tells me in clear terms that God is not the author of confusion. There is so much confusion in Islam ask the Wahabi, Salafists, sunnis, shites/shia, alwaites, ahmedies, alevis etc. They kill each other because of their confusion on the proper way to serve allah.

Once again I turn to the bible which tells me in

Matthew 7:15-20,“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."

So in conclusion;

God the father acknowledged Jesus as his son (John 17:5, Matthew 17:5 And Mark 9:7)
Jesus called himself the Son of God and one with God (Matthew 11:27)

His disciples called him the son of God.

Isaiah from the old testament prophesied about him and called him the son of God.

Angel Gabriel in the first chapter of Luke called Jesus the Son of God. Luke 1.

John the baptist called Jesus the son of God.

The Jews who hated him accused him of claiming he is the Son of God and one with God. Eg Mark 11: 17-18

Demons he casted out called him the son of God.

Yet u Muslims and other pseudo-christians choose to believe the words/ share the ideas of a monotheistic pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile wife beater who came 600 years after Christ and was poisoned by a jewish woman, died after suffering for 4 years while reciting chants hoping to be cured. I just don't get it. Is the chains of Islam that strong.

May the one true God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, father of Jesus set you free when u come to him for truth.

If u still don't understand my message, then watch this beautiful and very short video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_5lZTKeRCY

Pastor let us watch out tong

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by meetlekan(m): 6:38pm On Aug 08, 2015

Guys you mst be very careful with this topic except someone will cross is tong into sin......Mind your comment before step into sin.

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Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by sorextee(m): 12:11am On Aug 09, 2015

the church will still go on, with or without you.. sorry i didnt read the full story, cos my eyes wan sleep.. will read it wen i wake up..
peace..

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by GRACEGLORY: 1:29am On Aug 09, 2015

You must have heard about John & Charles Wesley (The Wesley brothers). They were given birth to in a Christian home, their parents were christians-father was a Pastor, mom, was also a preacher. The two brothers were never exposed to the outside world, but the church. And after a fire out-break in their home, John Wesley, had an impression by the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel. The younger brother too had the impression by the Holy Spirit to minister onto the Lord via songs. So, they agreed to partner, and they set out of the country.
While aboard the ship, there was a great storm so that the ship was in a great turbulence which put every life on board at risk. But while The Wesley brothers were scared to death, a group of a couple of persons-the Morovians were at real peace so that they were rejoicing and singing without no traces of fear whatsoever.
John, being a Christian that he thought they were as they were birthed and raised in a Christian home, in fact a church, they never stole, never lied, never blasphemed, no sin, wondered why it was so with the Morovians, and not the same with him and Charles.
They started evangelism, and the result was always embarrassing as they got beaten and stones we're hauled at them. But the Morovians were making waves in their own ministry, healing the sicks, saving the lost et cetera.
John decided to meet with the leader of the Morovians. He asked the leader of the group: Why were you guys so at peace even in the very face of death in the turbulence, and succeeding in your ministry, I'm a Christian too, but I've never experienced that. The man asked him two questions:
1. Are you born again? John said: yeah!!! I was born a Christian, a natural Christian, and grew up in the Christian home-church.
2. Has the Holy Spirit beard witness with you that you are a son of God

? Romans 8:16. John, couldn't answer this. And it was there, he realised that: being raised by godly parents doesn't make you a born again Christian, nor does being a Pastor's child gives you an automatic ticket to the Kingdom of God, it is to be sought, and to be accepted personally.
Op, are you a Christian?
As touching the issue of praying without getting response:
Matthew 7:9 You parents--if your children ask for a loaf of bread, do you give them a stone ... What man among you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? If man won't deny his own, why would the Supreme God deny His?
There are reasons why people don't get answers to prayers:
1. Asking without faith. Mark 11:24 I tell you, you can pray for anything, and if you believe that you've received it, it will be yours. When you pray, do you believe that you already have it, and instead of giving thanks and believing, you keep asking as if God is deaf, Isaiah 59:1-Listen! The LORD's arm is not too weak to save you, nor is his ear too deaf to hear you call.
2.Romans 9:31 God doesn't answer the prayers of sinners, but those that serve Him, He hears them. Do you serve Him? Are you a saint? If not, He might not answer your prayers. NOTE: every born again Christian is a saint. Smiles. grin

As touching who wrote the Scripture: 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for ... Every holy Writing which comes from God is of profit for teaching, for training, for guiding, for ... Yes, the original scriptures were inspired by God.
Romans 15:4For the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction that we , through patient endurance and through the comfort of the scriptures, might ...

You said you love God, love doesn't stand only in words. It is proven by actions:Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my ... I will come daily to you in my Spirit;

And if true Christians suffers, it cos they lack light my dear. Not cos God is not caring: Hosea 4:6 my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of ...

Yeah, I know what it's like being in jail. My story I'm not ready to share either. But you were in Nigeria when.Ex-President Obasanjo was jailed, he came out back to the presidency, he didn't allow his past to drown him. He suffered more than you did, he said they ironed clothes on his back. You must have heard about Mandela, he spent 27 years in prison, he came out and up to the presidency. Joseph, in the Scripture was same. We can figure this out from Genesis chapters 40 and 41. Joseph was in Potiphar's house and in prison 13 years in total.
So, is this prison thing going to bury your destiny?

Op:
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; ... from ...

GOD, might have permitted you to go to prison to be shielded from evil, so as to preserve you, and teach you somethings there in. If you look back, you'd see you've learnt somethings.

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Gombs(m): 2:23am On Aug 09, 2015

Jozzy4:
Point of correction :
Jesus neVer call himself God ; NEVER !

If son of God means God , ALL ANGELS ARE GOD since they are all scripturally called " Son Of God"

John 10:30-33King James Version (KJV)

30 [size=18pt]I and my Father are one.[/size]

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; [size=18pt]and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.[/size]

Help your ignorance

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Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Jozzy4: 3:59am On Aug 09, 2015

Gombs:
John 10:30-33King James Version (KJV)

30 [size=18pt]I and my Father are one.[/size]

he didnt say ' I and my father are ONE GOD' cheesy

" that they may all be one just as we are one" , are we God , or a part of trinity ?

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; [size=18pt]and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.[/size]

Help your ignorance

Just Imagine who made this statement ? The jews shocked

then show me where Jesus claim to be God ?

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by nynbrada: 11:08pm On Aug 09, 2015*

author=Jozzy4 post=36723945]

Hahahaaa!!! Slow down love. Seems you will never cease to amaze me with your extravagance of folly.

What exactly is your problem? Is it that you are suffering from chronic "low comprehension"? Don't mean to sound insulting but the kind of reasoning you come up with whenever you quote the bible is rather just too embarrassing.

Ok, let even analyze the portion of scripture you quoted to infer that the bible was not talking about Jesus.

Revelation 1:4–5

4John to the seven churches that are in Asia: [b]
Grace to you and peace from him who is and
who was and who is to come,

[b]well reading Rev 1:4 from face value, it doesn't give an indepth explanation on the person being described, and that was why i gave u a home work to go and study Rev 1-3. If you had done that maybe you would have been able to save yourself from this public ridicule you are exposing your self to.

If i may ask who exactly is this personage that is being described as who is, and who was and who is to come?....u didn't even make any bone to let us into who this person is. Cos you certainly don't know and all u've been doing is simply splitting hairs.

Well i'm going to explain this to u for the umpteenth and last time. Now for us to have a good understanding let start by reading from:

[color=#000099]Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending. Saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Vs 10 I was in the spirit on the lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet.
Vs 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and last...
Vs 12 And i turned to see d voice that spake with me. And being turned, i saw 7 golden candle sticks;
Vs 13 And in the midst of d 7 candle stick one like the son of man, clothed with a garment down to d foot, and girt about d paps with a golden girdle.
Vs 14 His head and hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Vs 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace and his voice as d sound of many waters.

Vs 16 And he had in his right hand 7 stars; and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as d sun shineth in his strenght.
Vs 17 And when i saw him, i fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me saying unto me,[/color]Fear not; I am the first and last.

Now if i may ask do u agree that d person who John saw and heard speaking to him from vs 11-17 is Jesus? Also do u notice what Jesus said toJohn in vs 17...I am the first and last does that ring a bell to you with d previous vs of 8 I am Alpha(the first) and Omega(the last), the beginning and the ending. And vs 11 brings the two together....Saying I am Alpha and Omega, the first and last...

Moreso, Rev 1:18 may also help to explain what d statement "who is, who was and who is to come means and who it is refering to..
Vs 18 I am he that liveth(who is),and was dead(who was);and behold, I am alive for evermore, amen.(who is to come).
Does this not buttress d fact that Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, d beginning and the end, saith d Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come d Almighty.
Vs 4...and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; is refering to Jesus Christ.[/b]

and from d seven Spirits who are before his throne,[/color][/b]

[b]Concerning d above statement, a careful study will also show that this description is being attributed to Christ.

Now run with me to Rev 3:1 And unto d angel of d church in Sardis write; These thing saith he that hath d 7 spirit of God... Although, whenever d 7 Spirit of God is refered to in d bible, it is symbolic of d Holy Spirit in its fullness.

But d statement in Rev 1:4 of greetings coming from d 7 Spirit which are before his throne is actually refering to Jesus as i have shown i Rev 3:1, that he is the one having the 7 Spirit of God.And more importantly Rev 5:6

And i beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne, and of the four beast, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having 7 horns and 7 eyes which are the 7 Spirit of God sent forth into all the earth. Now there is no gain saying the fact that this scripture is refering to Jesus as the one having the 7 Spirit of God ...In a nutshell the 7 Spirit of Rev 1:4 is refering to Jesus.

Jozzy4, next time do ur home work well b/4 coming 2 d public 2 let fly another rasping poor comprehension disorder dat is fast becoming ur signature trait here on nairaland.[/b][/quote]

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Maamin(m): 2:03am On Aug 10, 2015

Jozzy4:
Point of correction :
Jesus neVer call himself God ; NEVER !

If son of God means God , ALL ANGELS ARE GOD since they are all scripturally called " Son Of God"

You are wrong

Hebrew 1:1-6

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by [size=14pt]inheritance[/size] obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [None] *emphasis are mine*

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

So as you can see...we all(both angels or mankind) alike are joint heirs in becoming the Sons of God(Benei Elohim) through Christ the firstbegotten and through whom everything else were created. wink

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by MrsAnyanwu(f): 2:34am On Aug 10, 2015

jcross19:
she needs peace maybe her brain needs to settle down I think or maybe is high on drug.

hahhhhhhaaa

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Jozzy4: 6:05pm On Aug 10, 2015

nynbrada:
Hahahaaa!!! Slow down love. Seems you will never cease to amaze me with your extravagance of folly.

What exactly is your problem? Is it that you are suffering from chronic "low comprehension"? Don't mean to sound insulting but the kind of reasoning you come up with whenever you quote the bible is rather just too embarrassing.

Ok, let even analyze the portion of scripture you quoted to infer that the bible was not talking about Jesus.

[b]well reading Rev 1:4 from face value, it doesn't give an indepth explanation on the person being described, and that was why i gave u a home work to go and study Rev 1-3. If you had done that maybe you would have been able to save yourself from this public ridicule you are exposing your self to.

If i may ask who exactly is this personage that is being described as who is, and who was and who is to come?....u didn't even make make any bone to let us into who this person is. Cos you certainly don't know and all u've been doing is simply splitting hairs.

Well i'm going to explain this to u for the umpteenth and last time. Now for us to have a good understanding let start by reading from:

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending. Saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Vs 10 Iwas in the spirit on the lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet.
Vs 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and last...
Vs 12 And i turned to see d voice that spake with me. And being turned, i saw 7 golden candle sticks;
Vs 13 And in the midst of d 7 candle stick one like the son of man, clothed with a garment down to d foot, and girt about d paps with a golden girdle.
Vs 14 His head and hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Vs 15 And hid feet like unyo fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace and his voice as d sound of many waters.
Vs 16 And he had in his right hand 7 stars; and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as d sun shineth in his strenght.
Vs 17 And when i saw him, i fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me saying unto me,Fear not; I am the first and last.

Now if i may ask do u agree that td person who John saw and heard speaking to him from vs 11-17 is Jesus? Also do u notice what Jesus said toJohn in vs 17...I am the first and last does that ring a bell to you with d previous vs of 8 I am Alpha(the first) and Omega(the last), the beginning and the ending. And vs 11 brings the two together....Saying I am Alpha and Omega, the first and last...

Moreso, Rev 1:18 may also help to explain what d statement "who is, who was and who is to come means and who it is refering to..
Vs 18 I am he that liveth(who is),and was dead(who was);and behold, I am alive for evermore, amen.(who is to come).
Does this not buttress d fact that Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, d beginning and the end, saith d Lord, which is, and which was and which is to come d Almighty.
Vs 4...and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; is refering to Jesus Christ.[/b]
Concerning d above statement, a careful study will also show that this description is being attributed to Christ.

Now run with me to Rev 3:1 And unto d angel of d church in Sardis write; These thing saith he that hath d 7 spirit of God... [b] Although, whenever d 7 Spirit of God is refered in d bible, it is symbolic of d Holy Spirit in its fullness.

But d statement in Rev 1:4 of greetings coming from d 7 Spirit which are before his throne is actually refering to Jesus as i have shown i Rev 3:1, that he is the one having the 7 Spirit of God.And more importantly Rev 5:6

And i beheld, and lo, on the midst of the thone, and of the four beast, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having 7 horns and 7 eyes which are the 7 Spirit of God sent forth into all the earth. Now there is no gain saying the fact that this scripture is refering to Jesus as the one having the 7 Spirit of God ... In a nutshell the 7 Spirit of Rev 1:4 is refering to Jesus.

Jozzy4, next time do ur home work well b/4 coming 2 d public 2 let fly another rasping poor comprehension disorder dat is fast becoming ur signature trait here on nairaland.[/b]

Am laughing @ bold , 7 spirt refers to Jesus ( and yet oooooo everytime 7 spirit is mentioned , it refers to holyspirit abi ? Lol See confusion grin

REV 1:4,5 clearly diffrentiate the one who is , who was and who is to come Separately from seven spirit (holyspirit) , and from Jesus . Clear

You should have asked : WHO is been reffered to as "him who is , who was and who is to come, the Almighty" ? ANSWER : God ALMIGHTY , God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob * Yahweh* ( Exodus 6:3; Genesis 17:1 )

NOTE : scripture made it clear that Jesus IS A SERVANT of the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ( Act 3:13)

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Maamin(m): 8:37pm On Aug 10, 2015

NOTE : scripture made it clear that Jesus [u]IS A SERVANT of the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ( Act 3:13)

Take one last important NOTE: scripture also made it clear that Jesus is the Son Of God..(1 John 4:15, 1 John 5:5, 1 John 5:9-12, 1 John 5:13, 1 John 5:20, )

That "Jesus is the Son of God" is littered in the whole scripture but am only taken from first John alone so it can be easy for you to navigate.

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Jozzy4: 9:28pm On Aug 10, 2015

Maamin:
Take one last important NOTE: scripture also made it clear that Jesus is the Son Of God..(1 John 4:15, 1 John 5:5, 1 John 5:9-12, 1 John 5:13, 1 John 5:20, )

That "Jesus is the Son of God" is littered in the whole scripture but am only taken from first John alone so it can be easy for you to navigate.

Good , do you now agree that Jesus is under the authority of His God and Father , Almighty Yahweh ?

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Maamin(m): 9:32pm On Aug 10, 2015*

1. Since we can't find the original version of the gospel that is why we don't know where to reference translated Bibles and proof its validity in the original language Jesus spoke. Reason why human can remove and add to the bible.

With Parisbookaddict and Channelz exegeses of the true gospel, I hope am not too late to reply, have been away for some days..it wasn't long I logged in to see this comment.

If you cant find the original copy of the Bible, then the burden of proof is on you to make provision of the original copy of the Bible. And may I tell you that there are over 5000 manuscripts of the bible all dated up to 1500 years ago and their translations have been confirmed to be exactly accurate with what we have as the Bible today.

2. Jesus called God his father he also called God "our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name....." does imply that we are all children of God not in the literal sense.

And this status we attain also in Christ by inheritance to be sons of God...1 John 3:1-2 "1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

3.
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)

‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)

The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).
Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.

The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)

Jesus did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.

The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.

Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)

‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)

How did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)

‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)

Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?

The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God:

“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)

Disciples did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)

For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (Confirmed In Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)

When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)

The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.

‘they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)

‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)

‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)

The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.’ (John 5:19)

‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)

The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal with God
and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:

‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:

‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)

‘he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)

If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.

The reality is there are many contradictions in the bible that even yourself cannot seem to explain.

God is not human . Worship God alone. He doesn't bwhet neither was he begotten and there's nothing comparable to Him. Exalted is he above all the ascribe in partner in worship with him.

Jesus as the Unique Son of God

What, then, is the evidence for this tremendous claim? Is it because Jesus, though a man born of a woman, was yet born of a virgin? Some Christians, it is true, might conclude that because Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, therefore He is the Son of God. Likewise, some Muslims, while denying that Jesus is the Son of God, might consider the virgin birth of Jesus to be the basis for Christian belief that Jesus is the Son of God. Biblically speaking, however, Jesus' Sonship does not rest upon His being born of the virgin Mary. On the contrary, as we shall later see more clearly, His virgin birth rests upon His Sonship. Before Mary ever was, the Son of God is. Jesus does not become the Son of God, but the Son of God becomes Jesus. Thus Jesus, as the Son, speaks to the Father about "the glory I had with You before the world began" (John 17:5; cf. Colossians 1:13-20), long before Mary ever was. This eternal Son of God entered into the limitations of time and space by the power of God working through the virgin Mary and was born as a man, called Jesus, in Bethlehem some nineteen centuries ago.

Similarly, Jesus is not the Son of God because of His mighty works and wonderful words. On the contrary, He does His mighty works and speaks His wonderful words because He is the Son of God.

True, both the manner of Jesus' birth and the nature of His works lend evidence for His Sonship. But neither, alone or together, provides the origin or basis for His Sonship. The distinction is important.

Indeed, His works witness to His Sonship. A "son" must be obedient to his "father", doing his will and works, being like him (cf. John 8:37-47). Jesus Himself pointed to His works as evidence of the fact that He is the Son of God: "If I am not acting as my Father would, do not believe me. But if I am, accept the evidence of my deeds, even if you do not believe me, so that you may recognise and know that the Father is in me, and I in the Father" (John 10:37f.). Jesus did the works of God, His Father, acting as God would.

In addition to the evidence of His works, Jesus had other proof that He is the Son of God. At important times in His life, He was called the Son of God by the Father Himself and by others:

1. The Annunciation: The angel Gabriel told the virgin Mary that her son would be called "the Son of God". (Luke 1:32,35)

2. The Baptism: God's voice from heaven proclaimed: This is my Son, whom I love." (Matthew 3:17, etc.)

3. The Transfiguration: God's voice once again proclaimed: "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him." (Mark 9:7, etc.)

4. The Crucifixion: The Roman centurion and his men confessed at the time of Jesus' crucifixion: "Surely he was the Son of God!" (Matthew 27:54)

5. The Resurrection: St. Paul writes that Jesus' resurrection from the dead declared Him to be "the Son of God". (Romans 1 :4)

Others in addition to God Himself, His angel, and the Roman soldier proclaimed that Jesus is the Son of God. Madmen and even unclean spirits confessed to Jesus: "You are the Son of God." (Mark 3:11; cf. 5:7; Matthew 8:29; Luke 4:41; 8:28) . Jesus' disciples also confessed that He is "the Christ (Messiah), the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16; cf. 14:33). Jesus, as a true Son, preferred to give glory to His Father, but He too would not deny His Sonship (Matthew 26:63f.; Mark 14:62; John 10:36). Of interest in the first two of these passages (and others) is the close association between the terms "Messiah" and "Son of God".

It is also interesting to note how closely Jesus' Sonship is associated with His suffering (Romans 5:10; 8:32; Galatians 2:20; Hebrews 5:8; 6:6) . When Jesus was famished after a long fast, the tempter said to Him: "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread" (Matthew 4:3, etc.). When Jesus was in agony on the cross, the passersby mocked Him and said: "Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!" (Matthew 27:40). These speakers forgot that Jesus is the Son of God. God, who seeks and serves and even suffers to save those whom He loves, the people of the world. He is not the son of some earthly king, who must show his might and save his pride by appearing to be victorious in the eyes of the world, according to the world's standards. It was just because He is the Son of the God of love that He would not use His power for selfish purposes but perfectly fulfilled the will of His Father, who chose to reveal Himself and His love to all men through His suffering Servant/Son.

Even a casual reading of the verses cited above would show that the use of the term "Son of God" with reference to Jesus is different in both quality and extent from the other uses mentioned previously. Others were graciously chosen by God as His adopted sons; the Son is in the Father eternally. Others obeyed the Father, though imperfectly; Jesus the Son obeyed Him perfectly, without sin (Hebrews 4:15) . Sons should be like their father, but only Jesus was perfect like Him in His goodness, giving Himself completely for Him and His people. The Father has entrusted all judgement to the Son alone, "that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father" (John 5:22,23). Only the Son gives life as the Father gives life (John 5:21). For was the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself" (John 5:26). The Son is obedient to the Father, with the will of the Father becoming concretized in the way of the Son; but the Father also listens and gives heed to the Son (John 11:41-44). Thus there is a sharing of power, authority, knowledge, glory, and kingship which indicates a relationship of equality and mutuality between the Two who are One. About what people, what angel, what king, what pious man could it be said: "In these last days God has spoken to us by the Son whom He has appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word"? (Hebrews 1:2f.)

Many of the uses of the term "son" in the Holy Bible and in various languages can give clues to the significance of the term "Son of God" with reference to Jesus, but in the end its use, directly applied to Jesus, remains as unique as the relationship it expresses is unique. Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)

How then, can you Muslims (and pseudo-Christians?) be helped to understand Jesus and the true significance of His name "Son of God"?

In the first place, it is significant that the Holy Injil does not portray Jesus indiscriminately proclaiming that He is the Son of God or he is God - and, for that matter, that He is the Messiah (Christ). Nor need we, especially when we know the term to be offensive to those with whom we converse. When we use it, we should explain it.

The Jews, in fact, were familiar with the title "Son of God", as they were familiar with the title "Messiah". There is evidence, though outside of the Bible, that they spoke about the Torah as the "daughter of God", meaning "the revelation of God", without sacrificing their monotheistic convictions. They did, however, object when Jesus called Himself "the Messiah" and "the Son of God", considering His confession of Himself to be blasphemy and worthy of crucifixion (John 5:18; cf. 10:33). It, therefore, is hardly surprising that Jesus Himself used this term discreetly.

Secondly, it should be made clear that Jesus was a man, a servant and a prophet, just as Muslims have always insisted and just as the Holy Injil claims the Son of God to have become. When the disciples of Jesus first met Jesus, they understood Him to be a man. How could they have understood otherwise? They had heard how Satan tempted Him. They saw Him hungry and weary. They knew Him in need of companionship and prayer. They saw Him weep. They heard Him in prayer and saw Him in action surrendering His will to the Father's will, claiming the Father's will to be His bread. His words: "The Father is greater than I" were intelligible to them. How else should they have understood? Or we, had we been with Him on earth?

Only after the disciples' association with Jesus had deepened, after they heard His words and witnessed His deeds, did they and others begin to wonder and ask questions about Him: "Who is this man?" "From where does He come?" They saw Him feed the multitudes, heal the sick, control nature, raise the dead. They heard Him forgive sins, they heard Him speak in an extraordinary manner about His purpose in coming, about His relation with the Temple, the Law and the prophets, about the love of God and His personal relationship with God. Even then, there were those who misinterpreted Him and His works, willfully or otherwise.

The disciples' understanding of both Jesus and His ministry was a gradual and at times a painful process. What He required of them to understand Him was not simply keen intellect but firm trust in God and obedience to His will, readiness for self-examination, repentance, and a change of mind and heart in the light of God's holiness and His holy Law, an openness to receive what He said about Himself, what He had done, what He was about to do, and the purpose of it all. True, Peter confessed Jesus to be the Messiah and Son of God, but immediately proceeded to contradict Jesus by denying that Jesus must suffer and die (Matthew 16:21,22), as if he had sharper insight into the will and ways of God than Jesus (John 12:1-7)! Women seemed to understand better (Mark 14:1-9). In brief, to understand Jesus is not simply to verbally confess Him, to admire and to applaud Him; it is to follow and obey Him.

In fact, the Holy Injil clearly and consistently indicates that Jesus' disciples did not fathom the deeper significance of His Sonship or His ministry until He had risen from the dead! Then their change in mind and heart was dramatic. Does this offer the Christian a clue for his witness? While to legislate techniques for presenting Jesus to the Muslim or anyone may be dubious, is there here a ' procedural pattern on which Christians might meditate, even imitate?

Thirdly, it is often necessary to explain what the term "Son of God" in reference to Jesus does not mean. As already noted above, nowhere does the Holy Injil suggest that God takes Mary as a wife, that He procreates, and that Jesus therefore is the Son of God by virtue of His birth to Mary. God is no male deity! The Injil, like the Qur'an, speaks of Jesus as the son of the virgin Mary. In Arabic Jesus is called ibnu'llah not waladu'llah. Nor does the Injil sacrifice the fundamental Biblical affirmation that God is one. Nor does it suggest that somehow for Christians Jesus, as the Son of God, is another god associated with God, or that somehow Jesus, as the Son of God, is the second or third of three gods, or that somehow Jesus is elevated from His original position of man and servant to the status of the Son of God and then made to supplant the true God. In no way does the Holy Injil's affirmation of Jesus' Sonship transform Biblical monotheism into a subtle form of polytheism. God is one! And Jesus, the Son of God, confirms that God is one! Only after Muslims and Christians have established this common ground, then can we proceed to discussion about who the one God is, what He does for mankind, what He expects from mankind, and how God is one while Jesus is the Son of God.

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Maamin(m): 9:52pm On Aug 10, 2015*

Jozzy4:
Good , do you now agree that Jesus is under the authority of His God and Father , Almighty Yahweh ?

It was all your confusion all along...I have never considered the Father and the son being equal either. The scripture made this clear in 1 Cor.15:24-28

"24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

I can see that you might need to go study on the use of the word 'God' its a generic title, any supreme being can assume, we worship one God ok! He is all in all..just like the last verse explained it "all things has been subjected to the Son and the Son is subjected to the father so that he(God the father) might be all in all"

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Jozzy4: 10:13pm On Aug 10, 2015

Maamin:
..I have never considered the Father and the son being equal either. The scripture made this clear in 1 Cor.15:24-28

"24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

I can see that you might need to go study on the use of the word 'God' its a generic title, any supreme being can assume, we worship one God ok! He is all in all..just like the last verse explained

Who is the one God ?

Re: i am leaving the church now.Christianity Is Not A True Religion! by Maamin(m): 10:29pm On Aug 10, 2015

Jozzy4:
Who is the one God ?

John 17:3 "3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Shema O yitsrael Adonai Elohinu Adonai ehad Devarim 6:4

Hear O! Israel the lord our God the lord is one. Deu.6:4

Mark 12:29 "29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord

Finally this one God is no other but Yahweh.

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