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Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 6:30pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
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Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 6:44pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
babafemi1000: Remove the "bold" from your mind mark 16: 15-17:- and the signs shall follow them that believe;in my name they shall cast out demons,speak with new tongues. I have witnessed people demonstrate all the signs listed in Mark 16:15-19 In acts 2 All the 120 disciples spoke with tongues. Acts 10, all of them peter preached to in the house of cornelius spoke with tongues. Acts 19:The folks Paul laid his hands on spoke with tongues. The Church at Corinth too all spoke with tongues. 1cor14:18:-Paul tells them he speaks with tongues more that all of them. For paul to have said it,it means they all spoke with tongues.but he speaks with tongues more than them. 1cor14:23:- if the whole church come together into one place and ALL speak with tongues. Eph6:18-19:-Paul admonished all of us to always pray in the Spirit. Praying in the Spirit is praying in tongues. See 1cor14:14. paul admonishes all believers to pray in tongues at all times. For him to have said this it means all believers can pray in tongues. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 7:06pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
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Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 7:22pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
[quote author=babafemi1000 post=37328936][/quote] you did disappoint me . Open your bible to 1cor14:14:- "If i pray in the tongues,My Spirit prays." is this in your bible. Then read Eph6:18-19. praying always with all prayer and supplication in THE SPIRIT. Praying in tongues is praying in the Spirit. . It clear and plain in front of you. Last semester when i went on evangelism, i made sure that i got everyone that i preached the Gospel to filled with the Holy and speak with tongues. If you still dont agree i can no longer waste my time. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 7:44pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
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Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 8:04pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: One does not need to go about testing gifts trying to see if they have received the holy ghost. There's no need to be looking for a sign to prove to others that one has the holy ghost. You ask "what's the evidence that one has the holy spirit"? Well, a changed life perhaps, exhibiting fruits of the spirit (love, joy, peace, etc..)? Remember this verse "walk in the spirit and you will not fulfil the desires of the flesh? Is that not evidence enough? We are no longer in the days of the apostles where the sovereign holy ghost decided to use tongues as a sign to unbelievers and israel. 1 Corinthians 12 applies more to us today, being that the manifestation of the spirit is in various miraculous gifts. Please note that I support desiring earnestly the best gifts as paul advised, which may include speaking in tongues and prophesying. I also believe in praying in tongues as the spirit gives utterance |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 8:17pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
babafemi1000: No problem. But if you will, I will advise that you get a book or message online: Why speak in tongues by Kenneth Hagin. He goes into much detail and explanation of the scriptures. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 8:37pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Thanks jerome for sharing. I've had my fair share of kenneth hagin and co. I'm of the opinion that "a little yeast spreads through the whole batch of dough" until everything is spoilt. This means that these guys are fond of infusing a little error into their teaching here and there until everybody is confused. I'd rather stay away from all their teaching and stick to using scriptures, praying that God would teach me things. This is not to say that we cannot learn a thing or two from other believers, but for kenneth hagin and co, mehn I'd rather waka pass. Let's let the holy spirit lead us into all truth. I'm not perfect in putting him first but I understand now more than ever that I have to. There's a lot of deception out there mehn.. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 8:43pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
babafemi1000: Aiit. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 8:54pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
I'm really glad that all the posters shared their views distinctly and without any bashing or batter. It's been a healthy session so far, in agreement or disagreement. This shows we have a level of maturity. I'm open to other views but please let's quote scriptures within context for easy understanding. It's easy to extract a scripture and make it buttress our points but when examined in it's full context it says otherwise. In the end we're all brothers and sisters if we're born of the spirit of God. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 9:08pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
babafemi1000: I want to post something tho. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 9:09pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
My first experience speaking in tongues came on April 27, 1988. I was 20 years old, and still a member of a denominational church, but out of curiosity, I had also been visiting a Pentecostal church on occasion. One day, I responded to an invitation to receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit. I had been a Christian for about five years, and loved God very much, but at the same time, I knew that I needed a deeper presence of God in his life. As I was prayed for, I suddenly "felt" strange, unknown words well up inside me. As I began to speak them out, a gigantic tidal wave of God's love and power flooded into me, changing my life forever. Next to my salvation, this has been THE key event of my walk with Jesus. In the years since then, it has became a richer and deeper part of my life than I could ever have imagined. It is as natural to me as breathing. Since this experience changed my life so dramatically, I have a deep desire to share it with others. In this second part in our series of messages on tongues, I wanted to devote the entire article to dealing with questions about the availability of this wonderful experience to all believers. I. ARE TONGUES AVAILABLE TO ALL CHRISTIANS? In 1 Corinthians 12:30, Paul asks the hypothetical question "Do all speak in tongues?" This has led some to the conclusion that tongues as a whole are only for a select few Christians. However, there are three different manifestations of tongues. The context of Paul's above mentioned statement is a discussion of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, tongues being one of them. He is giving instruction for the proper use of the gifts in a church service. When Paul speaks of tongues in this setting, he is referring to the ministry gift of tongues, which, as previously stated, is only one of the three, and is only given by the Holy Spirit in certain situations. This type of tongues is a sign to unbelievers. However, we read other instances in Scripture where people spoke in tongues, and no unbelievers were present (see Acts 10:46; 19:6, as well as note 1 below), giving further proof that this is not the exclusive purpose for tongues. As for the other two manifestations of tongues, however, there are a number of Scriptures that clearly teach that they are for all Christians: 1. Jesus said "These signs shall follow THEM THAT BELIEVE...." one of them being "they shall speak with new tongues." (Mark 16:17) 2. At the initial outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, ALL spoke with tongues. (Acts 2:4) 3. Throughout the Book of Acts, there is a consistent pattern of tongues being the initial evidence when someone is baptized in the Holy Spirit. See Acts 2:1-4;Acts 10:44-46;Acts 19:2-7. (more on this next question.) 4. Paul desired all Christians to speak in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:5) 5. The exhortations to "Pray in the Spirit" (Ephesians 6:18 )and "in the Holy Ghost" (Jude 20,) terms synonymous with praying in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:14-16,) are directed to all Christians. I compare it to this :All Christians are to have faith (Mark 11:22; Ephesians 2:8,) but some have a special GIFT of faith (1 Corinthians 12:9.) All Christians are to be merciful (Matthew 5:7; Luke 6:36,) but some have a special ministry gift of mercy (Romans 12:8.) Likewise,the wonderful experience of praying in tongues is available to all Christians, but some have a special public ministry gift of tongues. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 9:15pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
II.WHAT IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN TONGUES AND THE BAPTISM IN THE HOLY SPIRIT? The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a supernatural empowerment from God into the Christian's life. It can happen at the moment a person is first saved, but as the following verses point out, it is normatively an event subsequent to salvation. Since the baptism is a supernatural experience, it would stand to reason that it would by accompanied by a supernatural sign or evidence. Looking at the Biblical pattern, we see that this sign is speaking in tongues. There are five recorded instances in the Book of Acts of people receiving the baptism. Each time, it either says the people spoke in tongues, or at least strongly implies that they did. Let's look at each case on an individual basis: PENTECOST-Acts 2:1-4-As we stated earlier, the Holy Spirit was first poured out on the day of Pentecost. Of the 120 people who received the Spirit, every one of them, without exception, spoke in tongues (including, interestingly, Mary, the Mother of Jesus-Acts 1:14.) Note particularly the impact this experience had on Peter.In chapter 2, verses 14-41, we see the same disciple who had three times denied he even knew Jesus now stood in the face of a hostile crowd and boldly proclaimed the Gospel, resulting in 3000 people coming to Christ! THE BELIEVERS AT SAMARIA- Acts 8:14-24-Here the apostles receive the wonderful news of the Gospel spreading into Samaria. Upon hearing this, they immediately sent Peter and John to pray for them, so that they could receive the Holy Spirit. While they are ministering to these believers, a sorcerer named Simon sees this miraculous event, and offers Peter and John money for the ability to impart the Holy Spirit to others. Of course, Peter sharply rebukes him, telling him he has no part or lot in this matter (verse 20.) Although this account does not specifically mention tongues, it is important to notice two things: 1. Simon SAW that the Holy Spirit was being given (verse 18,) therefore, there must have been some sort of tangible evidence of the Holy Spirit's impartation. 2. In verse 20, when Peter tells Simon that he has no part or lot in this matter, it is interesting to note that the word "matter" in the Greek can also be translated "utterance!" Simon had no part or lot in the UTTERANCE that he saw. Keeping these two things in mind, as well as comparing this event with others like it in Scripture, I believe it is perfectly safe to say that the evidence that Simon saw was the utterance in tongues of those who whose lives were being transformed by this marvelous work of the Holy Spirit. PAUL AND ANANIAS-Acts 9:17-18-After his dramatic encounter with God on the road to Damascus, Paul receives a visit from a man named Ananias, who was sent by God so that Paul, who had been blinded during the Damascus encounter, might "receive his sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost ." Although this particular passage does not state that Paul spoke in tongues, we know he did because he later wrote to the Corinthian church "I thank my God I speak in tongues more than you all ." ( 1 Corinthians 14:18) . PETER AND THE FAMILY OF CORNELIUS-Acts 10:44-46-Cornelius and his family were the first Gentiles (non Jews) to ever become Christians. In the dramatic account of their conversion, we see Cornelius seeking God, who sends an angel to tell him to seek out the Apostle Peter, who, at the same time, was told by the Holy Spirit that Cornelius' men were looking for him. Peter obediently goes to visit Cornelius, and shares the Gospel with him and his family. While Peter was preaching to them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues . The Jewish believers were astonished at this, because this Gentile family had received the Holy Spirit just like they had. Notice that when they witnessed this wonderful event, THE evidence that they recognized was that "they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God." ( verse 46) . PAUL AND THE EPHESIAN BELIEVERS- Acts 19:2-7- While passing through the city of Ephesus, Paul encounters a group of disciples and quickly asks them "Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?" They responded that they had never even heard of the Holy Spirit. Paul then gives them some further instruction, baptizes them in water, and lays hands on them to receive the Holy Spirit. When they do, they speak in tongues, as well as prophesy. One of the basic rules of Bible interpretation is that it takes a minimum of two or three Scriptures to establish a doctrine ( Matthew 18:16; 2 Corinthians 13:1.) So with these five examples, we can see that the doctrine of tongues as initial evidence is solidly Scriptural. Receiving the baptism has been humorously compared to buying a pair of shoes- Tongues come with it! |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 10:12pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
[quote author=Jeromejnr post=37332899][/quote] This is unmistakably kenneth hagin snr. Jerome, I think he's in error. Most of his points, if not all, have been used by yourself and others here on this thread but each time I have used scriptures to refute them. Jesus received the holy ghost after baptism. Did he speak in tongues? No. How then did people know he had the holy ghost, if it were necessary to prove it to them? God confirmed it from heaven. I dare say speaking in tongues is not the only evidence that we have received the holy spirit. The spirit may have decided to use it as such at that time, but it doesn't always have to be the case. We don't have to always look to establish doctrines and patterns in the bible and apply them to our circumstances. The spirit is dynamic in his ways. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 10:29pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
babafemi1000: Nope. This isn't Kenneth Hagin. But Donald Gee. And you misconstrued some scriptures you quoted up there. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 5:40am On Aug 26, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Oops! *covers face* Sounds like him though. Many apologies. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by ABDULADINO(m): 6:53am On Aug 26, 2015 |
Pls Op, Can you point out any errors in the book Kenneth Hagin wrote on why believers should speak in tongues, if i may ask? I consider his points and i find no error, any explanation is welcome. I am open to learning. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 7:00am On Aug 26, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: You don't need an initial sign to prove that you've received the holy ghost. The best sign is a life of christ, bearing the fruits of the spirit (is it not the same holy spirit?) Tongues were a sign to the unbeliever and also of acceptance of the gentiles. That the jews may know that God had accepted the gentiles too! It was a matter of his discretion how he wanted to prove to people. That's why Jesus showed signs to people in his day, cos there were skeptics everywhere. -- Acts 9:17-20 did paul speak in tongues as evidence that he received the holy ghost? Even paul? Did he not receive the holy ghost immediately? So why look for doctrine where there is none? Want to speak in tongues but no interpreter? Then speak to yourself and to God. That's to pray in tongues. There's no scripture in this thread that I have misconstrued. It's as easy as understanding an english exam comprehension passage, where you're asked questions about the whole scenario and not just bits and pieces of it. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 7:05am On Aug 26, 2015 |
ABDULADINO: Abduladino! Wow this name sounds like you wanna be ronaldinho.. Please I'd like you to carefully read through the thread please, points have been made that refutes wrong teaching especially that "you must speak in tongues immediately when you receive the holy ghost" Scriptures have been quoted and I'm sure you won't be lost when you read them. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by ABDULADINO(m): 7:24am On Aug 26, 2015 |
babafemi1000:Lol, just a username. On the contrary i wanna be like Jesus. Please I'd like you to carefully read through the thread please, points have been made that refutes wrong teaching especially that "you must speak in tongues immediately when you receive the holy ghost"I have and so far i haven't seen any concrete explanation from you as to why hagin's teaching is erroneous. You could do well to paste your explanations here for me to see and comprehend. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 7:49am On Aug 26, 2015 |
ABDULADINO: Okay lemme say this. I'm not well versed in kenneth hagin's teaching on the subject. I'm just using scriptures to support what I've posted so far. May I ask what kenneth hagin teaches that you seem to agree with? |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 8:29am On Aug 26, 2015 |
babafemi1000: Actually, the truth is there are some scriptures one can never understand as you ought to if One has not experienced it first hand themselves. Example: where Jesus said "this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting, and God chastising His children (when people read this they think they know how God chastises His children , but when you walk with Him some you will understand it was not as you taught). In my Christian walk, not only mine, I have discovered that tongues is one of the top 5 most important tools God gave His children. Majority of the services O have been to anyone that came up for hands to be paid on for baptism, started speaking the language. (That is after they have been taught from the word on the issue and can then receive it by faith). If one has not spoken I'm tongues, then he can never understand the charge given by Jude. " beloved keep building yourself on your most Holy Faith, praying in the Holy Ghost". And that was a charge to all the body of believers. And for those with the experience of tongues, we know how how charged our faith becomes after a series of prayers. How can one pray in the Holy Ghost anytime? How does the Spirit help us in intercession with groanings that cannot be uttered? For we no not what we should pray for as we ought to. And of you ask anyone that spoke in tongues, he would tell you that it's like some words are welling up in the belly and the spirit groaning on the inside looking for how to express the deep longings of the heart. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by ABDULADINO(m): 8:53am On Aug 26, 2015 |
babafemi1000:Good, atleast you are honest here. Hagin was a young denominational baptist preacher who never believed that all believers should speak in tongues just as you here. It was the Holy Spirit that enlightened him and taught him from scriptures that tongues as ministry gifts is different from the devotional gift of tongues you get at initial baptism of the Holy Spirit.All believers baptised in the Holy Spirit have tongues as EVDIENCE. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 9:15am On Aug 26, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: I don't dispute speaking or praying in tongues (of men or of angels). I'm all for it. What I dispute is people saying that when you receive the holy ghost, you must speak in tongues as evidence! This is not true. So many evidences abound of one's having the holy ghost, not only tongues. Fruits of the spirit? Charity? A more excellent way? 1 Cor 13: 1-13. Please pray in tongues and speak too, by all means. It's good! Secondly, praying in the holy ghost means to pray according to the will of God. Jesus prayed. He prayed in the spirit too! Did he speak in tongues? Did paul when he received? One's personal experience, while good, don't trump scriptures. Let's look to scriptures and not experiences. It's just like someone who tithes and sees blessings and then uses it as proof to support tithing whereas scriptures don't impose tithing on us anymore |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 10:01am On Aug 26, 2015 |
I do admit that in 1 corinthians 14:14-16, by talking about praying in the spirit paul referred to praying in tongues. Sportsmaster must be happy with this statement I've made! Lol Nevertheless this doesn't imply that everyone has the gift! Also in jude 1:20, he advised to always pray in the holy ghost, but here he was talking to the body of christ, so he never really asserts that all individuals who make up the body must be the ones praying in the holy ghost. The body prays, but it's probably just those with the gifts that do the praying in tongues. |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by sofman(m): 10:16am On Aug 26, 2015 |
David0: No sir; tngues can't be limited to that, though speaking in different languages might be included. icor 13:1 if I speak in tongues of men and of angels. it must not be a manly language, 1 cor 14:2 he that speaketh in tongues speaketh not unto man but unto God, FOR NO MAN UNDERSTANDETH HIM howbeit he speaketh mysteries unto God. this is the word standard concerning this gift. Thanks |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Jeromejnr(m): 10:29am On Aug 26, 2015 |
babafemi1000: Yes sir, Paul spoke in tongues when he received. "I speak in tongues more than you all". And not everyone's detailed experiences has to be recorded in the scriptures. But we see that everytime hands were laid on people they spoke in tongues. Every time and everywhere. There are some things writing that are just assumed that we know what they talked about. But again, scripture says "we don't know what we should pray for as we ought to, but the Spirit helps us with groanings which cannot be uttered" Well, how does the Spirit help us pray with groanings which cannot be uttered? Because just praying according to the will of God in English is not a groaning and the English language can definitely be uttered. What's your take on this? |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by IdeeEsperanza(m): 12:00pm On Aug 26, 2015 |
Why do some churches (doctrines) insist that speaking/praying in tongues is a must? I know of a sister who told me that whenever the choristers commit an offence, they are punished by asking to praying in tongues for an hour. What's your take on this? |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 3:36pm On Aug 26, 2015 |
sportsmaster: Why the Greek manuscript? You didn't quote the manuscript yourself. I think u're misunderstanding that verse. From what I understand from u, the implication of what u say is that everyone will be singing, prophesying, speaking in tongue, interpreting at the same time. Is that reasonable to u? 1cor 12: if you had patiently read vs4-7 you will understand it perfectly. OK. Paul started a discussion in 1cor 12,you should read everything in book in context of 1cor12 until he switches the context.he switched in chapter 13. I think Paul was still on spiritual gifts in chapter 13. But I think with regards to the point u want to prove, 12 is helpful. Vs 4 mentions the gifts. Verse 4 Says that there are different gifts, by this, it means the gift for tongue, gift of healing, gift of prophesying etc. Do u agree? It further states that there is the same spirit. Meaning that it is only God's spirit that distributes varying gifts to different individuals. Does this make sense to u? Verse 5 identified that there are different ministries. Now notice that it never said the same "spirit", rather the end of the verse says " the same lord". Which ministries? Those at eph 4:11 are inclusive. Now verse 6 shows that God is the source of the power by which different activities are performed. Vs 7 says "the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man to profit withal". The manifestation of the spirit is given to each believer for a beneficial purpose. However, from the following verses, it is shown how that one spirit gives different gift/s to each believer. This does not mean that the manifestation gives all gifts. The spirit can manifest in u one or more gift/s but not all. See references: Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 ESV:and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 ESV:and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 ESV:To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 ESV:For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 ESV:to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 ESV:to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 ESV:All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. So from verse 7-11, Paul shows us how just one spirit gave different gift. It is the manifestation of the spirit on an individual that does this, but take note of the words 'to one', 'another' etc, which shows that the gift is shared not that everyone had the gift to manifest all the spiritual gifts. Read vs 28,29,30.. Espanciate, what do u mean by the "ministries in the gifts"? Are Apostles,prophets,teachers gifts of the Spirit.? NO!. This is like saying that the eye can see, touch, smell, and hear, but that the eyes can see more than the ear. Or that the nose can smell more than the eye. Again, you need to explain what you mean by ministry gift. But note that Paul spoke of the body of Christ comprising of many members. From verse 27 i underatand that Paul was mentioning all the various parts of the body of christ then. As such,he had to include different positions available in the church. He couldn't have mentioned only the work available for those with the spiritual gifts cos that alone are not all the body of Christ is composed of. He had to mention all the parts, and this will now include parts not requiring spiritual gifts. That does not then mean that from verses 7-11, he was not speaking of different spiritual gifts available cos of the operation of the spirit. From verse 29, he buttressed the point that the body of christ is made up of different parts with different functions. No one person is an island of all these gifts. In fact it will be like saying that the hand can become the leg, and the eyes can become the mouth, the nose can become the head etc. Read from verse 29 very well, he states that not all heal, not all are prophets, not all are interpreters. What do u think is the answer to his question? Is "yes" the answer? Note that on asking the question, Paul has all parts of the congregation in mind, both those endowed with the gifts and those who do other works. But by mentioning that not all heal, speak in tongue, ie those dealing with the gift, he is showing that not all has the same gift of the spirit. Lemme give you pratical examples. Why then was Philip unable to transmit the spiritual gift to those in Samaria? Acts 8:14, 15. Why then is it that not even a single person can speak as much tongue as Paul? 1cor 14:18. Paul functioned with all the gifts and he stated in 1cor12:7 that the manifestation of the Spirit to every believer to profit withal. I have explained what that 1cor 12:7 means. It does not mean that all have all the gifts Why will Paul advise them to keep seeking for gifts when they already have it on one manifestation? 1cor 12:31 1 Like |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 6:09pm On Aug 26, 2015 |
JMAN05, you could not have said it better! Frankly I was tired of explaining and explaining... Thanks a ton! 1 Like |
Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 6:14pm On Aug 26, 2015 |
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Re: Setting The Record Straight On "Speaking In Tongues" And Other Spiritual Gifts by Nobody: 6:20pm On Aug 26, 2015 |
IdeeEsperanza: Hehehe! That's so funny. It shouldn't be the case. Speaking in tongues is given by the spirit when he wills it and cannot, I repeat, cannot be summoned by the vessel through whom he utters groanings or tongues or whatnot. It's good to speak in tongues, but if you don't, don't let anyone make you feel less of a saint than you are. If you want it, you could pray to God to give you the gift. That's why paul advised that we "desire" earnestly some gifts... |
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