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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Omololu007(m): 11:28pm On Aug 28, 2015
Only God knows why ibos on nairaland are always beefing yorubas,especially for lagos matter.a foreigner who read comment on nairaland will think yeebos dominate lagos...in ikorodu,ketu,magodo,mile12,ifako-gbadaga,akoka all the ibos have met in this places are so loyal,they might be part of the ibos always boasting on nairaland sha
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 11:42pm On Aug 28, 2015
BuddahMonk:


The Home of craft in Africa is Aba, you people rarely travel but claim everything.

Onitsha and Enugu are another area but not to the level of Aba, craft business in Aba is on the world of its own, nobody can challenge Aba craftmen.
People from Gabon, Togo, Ghana and Cameroun visit Aba daily for shoe purchase, visit Aba and see where tailors build 3 storey buildings.

Stop abeggggg, just stop now
This loudmouthed thing is in your DNA.Have you ever had an upper hand when destiny pits you against the Yorubas..No.You are our wives. Do we need any brothel when you are always available like the effeminate one that fled to Ivory coast. Oh my bad.

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 11:57pm On Aug 28, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:



The only way that can happen is if we get autonomy. its definitely not happening at this moment.only the government can do that and the Current Government has better things to deal with.i can authoritatively tell you the plan to upgrade artisans and craftsmen is parts of the plans of the DAWN Commission but whenever we talk some people will start screaming one Nigeria. that's why i don't engage in all these biafran threads. i actually wish for their seccession. i wish it will happen today. Another thing is this, i don't think there's anywhere in the world where craftsmen are billionaires. kilode. look at this link and you'll smile.


http://techpoint.ng/how-showroom-ng-plans-to-make-at-least-100k-furniture-makers-millionaires-by-2020/

I love what Shittu did there.But sentiments apart,don't you think Yorubaland especially Lagos is too saturated with more than enough craftsmen.?
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 12:01am On Aug 29, 2015
Ritchiee:
I love what Shittu did there.But sentiments apart,don't you think Yorubaland especially Lagos is too saturated with more than enough craftsmen.?

Lagos doesn't even have enough craftsmen i.m.o if you consider the population. if you go to osogbo and iseyin you'll understand my point
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 12:08am On Aug 29, 2015
Omololu007:
Only God knows why ibos on nairaland are always beefing yorubas,especially for lagos matter.a foreigner who read comment on nairaland will think yeebos dominate lagos...in ikorodu,ketu,magodo,mile12,ifako-gbadaga,akoka all the ibos have met in this places are so loyal,they might be part of the ibos always boasting on nairaland sha


Wetin dey happen for d places u mentioned.
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 12:12am On Aug 29, 2015
Ritchiee:
There are so many of them in Lagos and I am afraid just like the OP that we must find legal solution to counter them by going into trading.I know we would triumph as we have always done against them.

lol.... Don't worry your head too much. Just look at businesses Yorubas managed when Igbos returned to the East in 1967 before the war and you'll understand when we say that Yorubas cannot manage any business, they'll loot, loot and loot the company until the company is liquidated.

Kingsway
Dunlop
Bata
Leventis
Mr. Biggs etc

These are unfortunate examples of Yoruba management skill. Just look at Nairaland for example and you'll feel sorry for Yoruba business. grin grin

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 12:25am On Aug 29, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:


Lagos doesn't even have enough craftsmen i.m.o if you consider the population. if you go to osogbo and iseyin you'll understand my point
We are not looking at this thing with the same goggles if I may say so.Those area boys are mostly craftspeople. Their complaint is that they are not getting enough customers or not even been patronised because there are so many of them doing the same thing.
Were you not in a recent post/thread happy that we still had 3 billionaires from the Yoruba stock and not one single Ibo-Adenuga,Otedola,Alakija...on the Forbes list?Are these people craftsmen/woman.
Don't even go to the Alakija designer thing because she didn't get her dough from there...
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 12:29am On Aug 29, 2015
Omololu007:
Only God knows why ibos on nairaland are always beefing yorubas,especially for lagos matter.a foreigner who read comment on nairaland will think yeebos dominate lagos...in ikorodu,ketu,magodo,mile12,ifako-gbadaga,akoka all the ibos have met in this places are so loyal,they might be part of the ibos always boasting on nairaland sha


Wetin person wan find go d places u mentioned

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 12:49am On Aug 29, 2015
Ritchiee:
We are not looking at this thing with the same goggles if I may say so.Those area boys are mostly craftspeople. Their complaint is that they are not getting enough customers or not even been patronised because there are so many of them doing the same thing.
Were you not in a recent post/thread happy that we still had 3 billionaires from the Yoruba stock and not one single Ibo-Adenuga,Otedola,Alakija...on the Forbes list?Are these people craftsmen/woman.
Don't even go to the Alakija designer thing because she didn't get her dough from there...


Yes i was happy but i never said our billionaires were craftsmen. i already said there's no where in the world where craftsmen are billionaires at the same time no ibo will come here and tell me those spare parts traders are millionaires talkless of billionaires. crafts is a s.m.e thing. we're basically saying the same thing but there's a mix up

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 7:01am On Aug 29, 2015
BuddahMonk:


Its like you forget your brain at the brothel
Do we have to go to brothels?The Ibos have always been and still continue to be our wives.Go and ask the effeminate one that fled jejely to Ivory Coast...lol.They have even brought all their families here in order to serve us with all their hearts and might.So help them God.
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 7:08am On Aug 29, 2015
BuddahMonk:


Which real estate and where is the building materials.

The biggest building material in Lagos is Oduade which Igbos don't just dominate but own. All the iron dealers at Iyana Ipaja are mostly from Anambra State.

Who own ASPAMDA grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

You can even challenge Igbos anywhere in building materials even in Dei Dei Abuja they have turned it to Bridgehead extension.

Mr, dreaming it self could be suicidal if you ask me
you speak purely out of ignorance
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 7:15am On Aug 29, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:



Yes i was happy but i never said our billionaires were craftsmen. i already said there's no where in the world where craftsmen are billionaires at the same time no ibo will come here and tell me those spare parts traders are millionaires talkless of billionaires. crafts is a s.m.e thing. we're basically saying the same thing but there's a mix up
Have you seen
the UNDP report on poverty in Nigeria?I am not praying for that but in a couple of years from now,it would be a different story for the South Westerners.
In Nigeria of today,the Ibos are the most largely employed and they have a good traviste and still consolidating through this trade thing.
We want billionaires, millionaires and even thousandnaires who would be able to lift their communities and not these poor craftspeople that have become area boys...

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 8:53am On Aug 29, 2015
Ritchiee:
Have you seen
the UNDP report on poverty in Nigeria?I am not praying for that but in a couple of years from now,it would be a different story for the South Westerners.
In Nigeria of today,the Ibos are the most largely employed and they have a good middle class and still consolidating through this trade thing.
We want billionaires, millionaires and even thousandnaires who would be able to lift their communities and not these poor craftspeople that have become area boys...

You can't do it, I know what Yorubas can do.

Have you imagined how Igbos avoided this thread, they know your on long deserved slumber so no need to wake you guys up to your folly.
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Omololu007(m): 9:04am On Aug 29, 2015
patmaine:



Wetin dey happen for d places u mentioned.
omo nna go back to your village
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Omololu007(m): 9:06am On Aug 29, 2015
patmaine:



Wetin person wan find go d places u mentioned
see boasting,there is no were in the south west you will go to,that you won't see an ibo parasite,omo nna go back to your village
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 10:13am On Aug 29, 2015
Ritchiee:
Have you seen
the UNDP report on poverty in Nigeria?I am not praying for that but in a couple of years from now,it would be a different story for the South Westerners.
In Nigeria of today,the Ibos are the most largely employed and they have a good middle class and still consolidating through this trade thing.
We want billionaires, millionaires and even thousandaires who would be able to lift their communities and not these poor craftspeople that have become area boys...


[b]Ha ritchie you sef don fall for their lie? those petty traders aren't middle class oo. The red-mud people are the ones packaging it. the red mud people refer to them as S.M.Es grin grin grin Dongeri-twisted most of them are in the o.k zone that is they can afford 3 square meals but that's where it ends plus they're staunch gamblers and a large chunk of the money they earn ends up in kessington adebutu's(baba ijebu) bank account . i'm an authority on this because i use to live close to most of them back then. they struggle to pay for rents. they're in the same category with yoruba taxi drivers. as for poverty in Nigeria, i tell you the south-west is still well grounded. the only problem with the southwest is population. Everyone wants to come there so its quite difficult for indigenes due to competition that's why when i tell people i'm 100% in support of all these biafran nonsense, they look at me weird. make everybody go hin house but its unfortunte a lot of yorubas don't look at the bigger picture. but two states i have so much confidence in are ogun state and ondo state. Ogun due to the influx of industries and Ondo due to their love for cocoa farming, osun was doing extremely well too until the salary issue[/b]


Look at this

https://www.nairaland.com/2418994/ranking-nigerian-states-poverty-rates

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 2:01pm On Aug 29, 2015
Omololu007:
see boasting,there is no were in the south west you will go to,that you won't see an ibo parasite,omo nna go back to your village


I am not going back yet...I 'll stay here in Lagos cos I don't pay house rent in Lagos. every one single male in my family own a house in Lagos.

I 'll stay in Lagos. hit it big time.

Wen I am satisfied I 'll go back to Nnewi.

U can only wail. ain't nothing u can do about us Igbos in Lagos.

so u can continue wallowing in painment.


guess wat. even if we get our Biafra. we won't leave Lagos. cos we got tins here..

you all will worship us because we 'll be like mtn etisalat. shoprite. foreign investors. and tins.

U dey feel me..

Ok am through with u..


U can go kill ur self. hug transformer or something

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 3:32pm On Aug 29, 2015
BuddahMonk:


You can't do it, I know what Yorubas can do.

Have you imagined how Igbos avoided this thread, they know your on long deserved slumber so no need to wake you guys up to your folly.
Even if yoruba competes with Igbo with one eye closed, you would still be beaten black and blue.You are our wives. Go and ask Lady Ojukwu.
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 3:47pm On Aug 29, 2015
eliment:
you speak purely out of ignorance

You can only counter me, the only line of business Yorubas dominate in Lagos is lace, adure blockade.
Yorubas can't challenge Igbos anywhere in business.
Is it Yoruba people that come to shop by 11:00 AM and close by 3:00 PM that will challenge Igbos in business.

Those that sell plastic today, agbo tomorrow, okirika on tuesday, necklace on wednesday, buka on thursday while on friday they will sell everything in their shop wholesale and use the money to buy party materials they will wear on naming ceremony on sunday.

A yoruba trader won't even beg you to buy from them, when you bought and requested for change they will be abusing you. They will not sell for each other, they think they are doing customers favour selling to them.

My first experience trying to buy from a yoruba in lagos left with goose-pimple. I wanted to buy exercise book from a yoruba shop, asked her to bring 40,60 and 80 leaves all of a sudden this women started asking me if I wanted to buy it or to look it. This woman told me that she don't have the strength to return those books back, that if I don't want to buy it that I should leave his shop.

Buy N200 card from a yoruba person and gave her N500 to give you N300 change, if she didn't curse and abuse your great great ancestors you won't see the change in an hour time.
Some will even forfeit making profit of N100 instead of going out to look for change and give to the customer.

Oga there is more to business than just opening shop and stuffing it with goods of exotic qualities while reclining in your chair and expect customers to come.




Oga Igbo business is more than you forget those things you see, yorubas know they can't even do it. Where will they start, from networking of traders from every part of Nigeria or transportation of the goods using numerous Igbo transport coys that know each traders initials and logos and drop their consignments to their customers or warehousing, clearing and forwarding .

It can't happen, even the gods can't guarantee that

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 3:52pm On Aug 29, 2015
BuddahMonk:


The Home of craft in Africa is Aba, you people rarely travel but claim everything.

Onitsha and Enugu are another area but not to the level of Aba, craft business in Aba is on the world of its own, nobody can challenge Aba craftmen.
People from Gabon, Togo, Ghana and Cameroun visit Aba daily for shoe purchase, visit Aba and see where tailors build 3 storey buildings.

Stop abeggggg, just stop now


I remember when we fought for independence. we wr invited by the queen to celebrate the coming independence. so. awolowo was at the far end. azikiwe was at d other end. I sat beside d queen.

so awolowo on noticing the spoon is gold. he said to zik. this is gold. I am taking it home.
zik now thought of a way to take the spoon without them thinking about it..


he told us he want to display a little black magic.

he put the spoon in his pocket and told the gathering that d spoon is in awolowos pocket...

U all kno the moral of this little history
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 3:53pm On Aug 29, 2015
Ritchiee:
Even if yoruba competes with Igbo with one eye closed, you would still be beaten black and blue.You are our wives. Go and ask Lady Ojukwu.

You can console yourselve, truth hurts and lies heal grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin. But reality is devastating

Lekwa onye yoruba na trade cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 3:59pm On Aug 29, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:



[b]Ha ritchie you sef don fall for their lie? those petty traders aren't middle class oo. The red-mud people are the ones packaging it. the red mud people refer to them as S.M.Es grin grin grin Dongeri-twisted most of them are in the o.k zone that is they can afford 3 square meals but that's where it ends plus they're staunch gamblers and a large chunk of the money they earn ends up in kessington adebutu's(baba ijebu) bank account . i'm an authority on this because i use to live close to most of them back then. they struggle to pay for rents. they're in the same category with yoruba taxi drivers. as for poverty in Nigeria, i tell you the south-west is still well grounded. the only problem with the southwest is population. Everyone wants to come there so its quite difficult for indigenes due to competition that's why when i tell people i'm 100% in support of all these biafran nonsense, they look at me weird. make everybody go hin house but its unfortunte a lot of yorubas don't look at the bigger picture. but two states i have so much confidence in are ogun state and ondo state. Ogun due to the influx of industries and Ondo due to their love for cocoa farming, osun was doing extremely well too until the salary issue[/b]


Look at this

https://www.nairaland.com/2418994/ranking-nigerian-states-poverty-rates

No,why would I fall for Okoro trick.We are smarter than they are and you know that, man.It is for want of word to properly categorise them in Lagos here.I would say they have a good ARRIVISTE.What is your solution to these craftspeople turned area boys if you don't support wholesome trading?Look at what I pray for...would he do it...? http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/08/ambode-vows-to-take-lagos-youths-off-streets/
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Chigold101(m): 4:09pm On Aug 29, 2015
Cosbyrich:
In real big business,you are no match to the Yorubas but the problem is that most IBOS are coming into this trade thing like bees and mostly stationed in the South West especially Lagos and they are now using their population power to almost overwhelm the Kwarans who are traders and buying lands like the Ibos too.They even have more lands than the IBOS but are not shouting that they dominate anybody because they are Yorubas.Ifear that the other Yorubas would lose a substantial and juicy part of Lagos if they dont act quick.TRADE OR BIZ IS THE IN THING.BELIEVE IT OR LOSE WHILE YOU BECOME BEGGARS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT REALITY.

Do you know how many over populated specialized market you have in Onitsha? When you people say Igbos flock to Lagos you make it look like if there is no market in Igboland.

Where have Ndi Igbo made noise about lands and properties they own I'm Lagos? Is it not in defence of themselves to threads like this one that make them to respond.

Talking about Kwarans, it is on record that most of them are not educated or do not even enjoy their wealth. Igbos know to spend an enjoy their little resources.
There are more Igbos in Social media in Nigeria than any other tribe, including in Nairaland. A Yoruba might be the owner but the man that sells the parts he needs for his computer is being sold by onye Igbo
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 4:56pm On Aug 29, 2015
Chigold101:


Do you know how many over populated specialized market you have in Onitsha? When you people say Igbos flock to Lagos you make it look like if there is no market in Igboland.

Where have Ndi Igbo made noise about lands and properties they own I'm Lagos? Is it not in defence of themselves to threads like this one that make them to respond.

Talking about Kwarans, it is on record that most of them are not educated or do not even enjoy their wealth. Igbos know to spend an enjoy their little resources.
There are more Igbos in Social media in Nigeria than any other tribe, including in Nairaland. A Yoruba might be the owner but the man that sells the parts he needs for his computer is being sold by onye Igbo

Another loudmouthed Ojukwu.Always blabbing and if reality is shown through facts, they are always there in the mud.Ojukwu,the effeminate said more than this.We have more billionaires,facts shown,Igbos fell down yakata...Forbes you are wicked o.
Igbos said they had less poverty,facts shown,Igbos fell yakata...UNDP you are wicked o.
Ibos called South West parasites, facts shown,Igbos fell yakata...Wikipedia you wicked o.
Igbos said Yorubas envy them because they have more achievements,facts shown, Igbo fell yakata,they could not even make up to 1/40 of this...lollest of lols... https://www.nairaland.com/2486801/check-out-these-achievements-u
I can't laugh.

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 5:06pm On Aug 29, 2015
patmaine:



I remember when we fought for independence. we wr invited by the queen to celebrate the coming independence. so. awolowo was at the far end. azikiwe was at d other end. I sat beside d queen.

so awolowo on noticing the spoon is gold. he said to zik. this is gold. I am taking it home.
zik now thought of a way to take the spoon without them thinking about it..


he told us he want to display a little black magic.

he put the spoon in his pocket and told the gathering that d spoon is in awolowos pocket...

U all kno the moral of this little history
Console yourselves.Talk is cheap.You would always be our wives.Go and ask Achebe.lol.
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 5:37pm On Aug 29, 2015
BuddahMonk:


You can console yourselve, truth hurts and lies heal grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin. But reality is devastating

Lekwa onye yoruba na trade cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
My man you are the true son of Ojukwu.Reality is devastatingly devastating... you have not been able to make 1/40 of this... https://www.nairaland.com/2486801/check-out-these-achievements-u
Yorubas have gotten five Grammy awards,Igbo don't have 1/2.
Yoruba has been the Head of UNO,Igbo for where?
Yoruba still leading head of former heads of the world,Igbos only go for crumbs...etc...trillions of lol.

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 6:01pm On Aug 29, 2015
patmaine:



I am not going back yet...I 'll stay here in Lagos cos I don't pay house rent in Lagos. every one single male in my family own a house in Lagos.

I 'll stay in Lagos. hit it big time.

Wen I am satisfied I 'll go back to Nnewi.

U can only wail. ain't nothing u can do about us Igbos in Lagos.

so u can continue wallowing in painment.


guess wat. even if we get our Biafra. we won't leave Lagos. cos we got tins here..

you all will worship us because we 'll be like mtn etisalat. shoprite. foreign investors. and tins.

U dey feel me..

Ok am through with u..


U can go kill ur self. hug transformer or something
Kwarans own more landed properties than you do and their population is lesser than yours. Have you ever heard them say they control Lagos.Well maybe they are yorubas and very much smarter than you are.You can bring all your families to develop our homeland for us.It is a must that you must serve us with all your hearts and might.So help you God.If we are satisfied, we would give you your Biafra and you would go back with the poly bag you came with.I don't pray that you don't take something to Alaigbo,so we might carry your house on your head for homeward delivery to Alaigbo.lol.
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 7:07pm On Aug 29, 2015
BuddahMonk:


You can't do it, I know what Yorubas can do.

Have you imagined how Igbos avoided this thread, they know your on long deserved slumber so no need to wake you guys up to your folly.

The OP is a very intelligent guy but his Yoruba brothers are too dumb and egoistic to understand the message he's trying to pass. Op i tell you what, do what you feel is best for you. You don't owe anyone or your tribesmen an advice. Igbos don't encourage anyone to trade, we see the opportunity and take it. It comes naturally.

For example, Nairaland has been a very popular forum since 2005 but the owner could not see the opportunity therein until Linda Ikeji came and saw the enormous opportunities and took it. It was only then that Nairaland saw the need to incorporate advert placement on its platform. Like i said, business opportunity comes naturally to an Igbo man.

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Omololu007(m): 7:13pm On Aug 29, 2015
patmaine:



I am not going back yet...I 'll stay here in Lagos cos I don't pay house rent in Lagos. every one single male in my family own a house in Lagos.

I 'll stay in Lagos. hit it big time.

Wen I am satisfied I 'll go back to Nnewi.

U can only wail. ain't nothing u can do about us Igbos in Lagos.

so u can continue wallowing in painment.


guess wat. even if we get our Biafra. we won't leave Lagos. cos we got tins here..

you all will worship us because we 'll be like mtn etisalat. shoprite. foreign investors. and tins.

U dey feel me..

Ok am through with u..


U can go kill ur self. hug transformer or something
who cares flat head,weather u leave or not,you are a flat head from the south east.
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Nobody: 9:31pm On Aug 29, 2015
Omololu007:
who cares flat head,weather u leave or not,you are a flat head from the south east.


of course I am from the south east and I am in Lagos hitting it big. which in turn give you sleepless night.


why else would you want me to go back to my village which is nnewi by the way.

I can go to nnewi and still make it big time. but I am not going anytime soon.

we go enjoy Lagos.

dying already?

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Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Ritchiee: 9:42pm On Aug 29, 2015
patmaine:



of course I am from the south east and I am in Lagos hitting it big. which in turn give you sleepless night.


why else would you want me to go back to my village which is nnewi by the way.

I can go to nnewi and still make it big time. but I am not going anytime soon.

we go enjoy Lagos.

dying already?
He is just advising you.Abi you want to die in Lagos?I hope you are not an OSU.
Re: Crafts(yorubas) VS Trade(kwarans And Ibos) by Omololu007(m): 10:05pm On Aug 29, 2015
patmaine:



of course I am from the south east and I am in Lagos hitting it big. which in turn give you sleepless night.


why else would you want me to go back to my village which is nnewi by the way.

I can go to nnewi and still make it big time. but I am not going anytime soon.

we go enjoy Lagos.

dying already?
who cares if you enjoy it or not flat head

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