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Re: Someone Should Explain This : by MizJanet(f): 9:05am On Sep 05, 2015 |
Scholar8200: poo , he asked you a very good question which your churchtard beliefs wont let you answer . He said : Can You giv birth to something you possess ? THats a contradiction between the two verses . Open your eyes and brain 1 Like |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by MizJanet(f): 9:16am On Sep 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: lol , this delusion is getting critical with each day . 1 Like |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Scholar8200(m): 9:26am On Sep 05, 2015 |
MizJanet:ok |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by malvisguy212: 9:37am On Sep 05, 2015 |
Jozzy4:Your view of Chiyl is attached to the 'birth pains' as it fits your view of Jesus being created here in Proverbs 8. I have no problem with the 'birth pain' but has it occurred to you that what you are indicating here is that " God gave birth to Jesus in PAIN?" have you ask your self , were chiyl is used else were in the bible ? Micah 1:12 12 For the inhabitant of a] ">Maroth BECOMES WEAK waiting for good, Because a calamity has come down from the LORD To the gate of Jerusalem. Yes, you see what you are doing here ? Comparing the nature of God and human, would you say God is weak too because chiyl is used in proverb 8 ? NO, so you should focus on proverb 8:22 which say “Producer.” LXXVg, “who created”; but in vs 22 Vg reads, “POSSESSOR.” Wisdom was NOT created, Jesus began to exist here on earth, when was this ? In the beginning (John 1:1) when He MADE his dwellings on flesh. Colossians 1.Jesus is the wisdom of God personified As a matter of fact, wisdom has no beginning. So my friend, chiyl is not only used for birth , sometimes it was used for "THOUGHT" and "EVENT". Proverb 8 , chily was used for thought. |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Emusan(m): 9:55am On Sep 05, 2015 |
Jozzy4: Keep dancing around!!! So if the Greek word used conveys "days of age", wasn't the same Greek word used in Psalm 90:2 But you must find a way of twisting Micah but Psalm still remains even when we also read about the Father as THE BEGINNING which you interpreted as ORIGIN here And the Greek word used in Micah directly means EVERLASTING!!! LXX 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Emusan(m): 10:35am On Sep 05, 2015 |
Jozzy4: as usual always twisting word. Let me repeat myself once again, the point here is HOW THE SEPTUAGINT RENDERED THE VERSE not how PEOPLE INTERPRETED IT. If we should go by interpretation there are many ones out there, that's why I even challenged you TO SHOW US HOW scholar, B. F. Westcott interpreted Proverbs 8:22 (which you agree with on rendering of Psalm 45) But you boycotted that part as if you didn't see. So do yourself a favour by focusing on how SEPTUAGINT RENDERED IT which is the point here. How can God have a God ? God's God ? God annoint God ? God have God ? this is serious . This is another unscriptural understanding. According to you the literal rendering of that verse is "the throne of you the God into the age of the age" No one will argue that this isn't referring to Yahweh not matter how it being rendered in Psalm 45 so the author of Hebrew QUOTED THE VERSE WORD FOR WORD no paraphrase which means it supposed to be rendered as it was in Psalms 45 Which will read literally: About the Son He said; "the throne of you the God into the age of the age". I think the question to ask ourselves is, why a verse that is referring to God in the Old Testament DIRECTLY QUOTED AND APPLIED TO THE SON? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Jozzy4: 1:47pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
Scholar8200: Can you give birth to what you already possess ? |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Jozzy4: 1:58pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
Emusan: A sincere reader also knows Jesus Is Created (LXX) , so he will understand Micah 5:2 in it context which says Jesus going forth is from old, from eternity . His ORIGIN is from old , from eternity . Origin reveal he came into existence at a point in time . We can say the same for the Father if you can show me a single verse that said the Father was created or given birth to ? 2 Likes |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Jozzy4: 2:06pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Good ! As a bible student explain the underlined for me ? What does it mean ? Hope you remember that God is also said to giv birth to the earth in labour pain ? What does that mean ? 1 Like |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Jozzy4: 2:17pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
Emusan: Stop making Noise . The LXX is not dogmatic about psalm 45:6,7 it admits two renderings . 1 Like |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Scholar8200(m): 3:12pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
Jozzy4:From Psalm 139, possess is that which took place within before the bringing forth! Psalm 139:13 shows us the 'possessing' was more an internal action that precedes the 'bringing forth': For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Jozzy4: 3:35pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
Scholar8200: And The psalmist admit this so - called internal action is the act of creating him wonderfully ! Psalm 139:14 . So what do you mean by INTERNAL ACTION ? 1 Like |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Scholar8200(m): 3:39pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
Jozzy4:While referring to his mother's womb in the verse quoted meaning the 'possessing' was part of the conception before the 'bringing forth'. Hence it would be wrong to single it out as a sole action of creation just like Adam was created. For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. Besides unlike the psalmist,the Speaker in Proverbs 8 affirms twice of being brought forth! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Jozzy4: 3:51pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
Scholar8200: The psalmist applaud it has act of creation ! Psalm 139:14 , is that wrong ?
The main point is that "he was brought forth as with labour pains " , what does it mean that God give birth to him as with labour pains ? Remember that God also give birth to the earth with labour pains ? What does it mean ? 1 Like |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Scholar8200(m): 4:49pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
Jozzy4:As a creature, his first father, Adam, was directly created and commanded to reproduce hence the psalmist attributes the same creation process to himself though what was described in preceding verses was the reproduction/conception process. But God was not created hence the Speaker in Proverbs did not once say 'I was made'! Rather He repeats it , 'I was brought forth'! In describing the things that were created, HE uses another verb! The inclusion of labour and pain (came after the fall of man) is peculiar to man's parlance not as a normal part but due to the fall. Proverbs 8:25,26 25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world I believe you would appreciate personification when you see one? The passage in Psalm 90:2 is expressed in Proverbs quoted above to show that God, the Originator of all things, made the earth and settled the mountains thus clarifying the personification used in Psalm 90:2. Another example of such personification is Isaiah 59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Jozzy4: 6:48pm On Sep 05, 2015 |
Scholar8200: Everyone given birth to is a Creation .
Stop confusing yourself with this old english of brought forth ! I WAS GIVEN BIRTH TO , how ?
Rubbish !
@ underlined , since you admit the expression earth is brought forth with labour pains means MADE The earth , why are you shying away from given the same meaning to proverb 8:24 where the same expression appeared ? 1 Like |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Janosky: 9:37am On Apr 13, 2020 |
Jozzy4: Trinitarians twist ,deny and alter the truth.. LIARS they are.... See the proof here. Compare Prov 8:22 and Genesis 14:19,22. King James Bible And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: Christian Standard Bible He blessed him and said: Abram is blessed by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth, Contemporary English Version and said to Abram: "I bless you in the name of God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. Good News Translation blessed him, and said, "May the Most High God, who made heaven and earth, bless Abram!. Verdict: Is the Wisdom of Proverbs 8:22-30 a person? Is the Word of John 1:1 a person? Answers : YES ! Prov 8:22-30, 1Cor1:24,30. John 1:1a The Word & Wisdom personified is Jesus Christ, "the first born of every creature" Col 1:13-15. |
Re: Someone Should Explain This : by Jozzy4: 11:16am On Apr 13, 2020 |
Janosky: A round of applause. Case closed @red |
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