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CaptainJune:
You don't know what the Bible teaches because you have never read what it says about hell. Where in the Bible is it said hell is not populated yet? Now I'm curious.

nobilis:
Obviously you do not read your bible yet you come here to shout and shout about the bible and Christianity.

What does the bible say in 1Peter 5:8?
Peter was telling his readers to be vigilant that their enemy the devil is prowling about like a roaring lion looking for whom to devour.

According to your bible, the devil is still prowling the earth. He is not in hell yet

Now, if hell fire truly exists and was originally prepared for the devil, how is it that these ur visionaries are already seeing people in hell when the original inheritor of hell fire isn't in hell fire yet.

CaptainJune:
Did you read the verse 6 of the chapter you quoted?

knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin

The wages or rewards of sin is spiritual death which is separation from God.
However, this chapter talks about 'crucifying' the physical 'the body of sin', that is, destroying the power of sin in the body (not spirit) by crucifying it as Christ was crucified on the cross resulting in its death so that one is freed from the power of sin.

Once a person accepts Christ as his or her personal Lord and Saviour, the spirit of that person is made alive and reconciled with God. As a result, the Spirit of God would be able to dwell in that person. But, the person's nature, desires, wants, goals, ambitions, etc are still ruled by the old nature of sin. This is where the daily actions of crucifying the flesh or body of sin and renewing the mind come in.

At regeneration, God does something about the spirit by making it alive. However, it is up to us to subject the body to make it obey God's commandments.

In conclusion, as you crucify your fleshly or sinful desires daily you die to sin, and since sin has no power over a 'dead body' , you become free from it.

Kapish?

Dead body ? @ bold that indicate a real dead person nw . You finally deviate from your spiri spiri death theory to a real death ( dead body) in other to make sense out of no - sense

nobilis:
Psalm 136:2
Jeremiah 31:3
Psalm 52:8
Exodus 34:6

Do you need more?


http://www.gotquestions.org/unconditional-love.html

Appleyard:
You are not able to witness the supernatural does not mean there is nothing like it. What you believe, the position you are at some particular point in time, and outright co-incident or sheer luck, may determine whether you will or not witness the supernatural. At times, you might have even witness the supernatural, but you still do not know it. This is where your belief system actually comes in to play.

"imagery of gods" you said? Kid not yourself brother: God and gods exist, and even your baseless science can't deny it.

spencerwilliams:
so in essence what are you saying,is it that hell does exist? or hell does not? or is for the devil alone? or will sinners go there?what do you mean in a nut-shell.

Appleyard:
By unconditional love of God vis the Mercy of God enduring forever (as highlighted by the scriptures you posted), you must understand that there is a sense in which God loves everyone in the whole world (John 3:16; 1 John 2:2; Romans 5:. This love in not conditional—it is based only on the fact that God is a God of love (1 John 4:8, 16). God’s love for all of mankind results in the fact
that God shows His mercy by not immediately punishing people for their sins (Romans 3:23; 6:23). God’s love for the world is manifested in the fact that He gives people the opportunity to repent (2 Peter 3:9). By unconditional love of God, we mean that God's salvation came to all without recourse to race, tribe, or colour.

However, God’s love for the world does not mean He will ignore sin. God is also a God of justice (2 Thessalonians 1:6). Sin cannot go unpunished forever (Romans 3:25-26). The most loving act of eternity is described in Romans 5:8, “But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ
died for us.” Anyone who ignores God’s love, who
rejects Christ as Savior, who denies the Savior who bought him (2 Peter 2:1) will be subject to God’s
wrath for eternity (Romans 1:18), not His love (Romans 6:23). God loves everyone unconditionally in that He shows mercy to everyone by not destroying them immediately because of sin. At the same time, God only has “covenant love” for those who place their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation (John 3:36). Only those who believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will experience God’s love for eternity. Does God love everyone? Yes!

But the fact remains that God has a unique relationship with people that fear His name (Christians) in that only Christians have His eternal grace and mercy and the
promise of His forever love in heaven. The unconditional love God has for everyone should bring us to faith in Him,
receiving in thankfulness the great conditional love
He grants all those who receive Jesus Christ as Savior.

Thus, when the Psalmist talked about God ' s mercy enduring forever, he never meant to say you can continue in sin or live your life anyhow. It is far from it.
Rather, what it entails is that God’s love and grace on behalf of His chosen people, is demonstrated by His sovereign choice and convenant. Take Israel for instance, the history of His dealings with them, in spite of their
repeated rebellion and idolatry, displays that His lovingkindness is truly everlasting. He always finds a way to bring them out of their sinful lives, out of their bondage, because of His sovereign choice and Abrahamic convenant. They did not deserve it but He kept coming to save them and redeem them all the time. That is why David shouted " His mercy endureth forever ". But despite this everlasting love and mercy, most of them also died as a result of their rebellion; because God is also a God of Justice.

This history of physical Israel is a picture of our spiritual history, of how God chose us by grace alone, redeemed us from bondage to sin, and saved us to be“a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His own possession” (1 Pet. 2:9).

spencerwilliams:
@nobilis well from your post it seems you are an atheist or something related,well whatever you are doesn't give me any form of concern but what i have to say is that"HELL IS REAL"beleive it or leave it bro it is real and only the true beleivers will escape.God bless you

nobilis:
So God's love is only based on accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
Those who do not accept Jesus Christ will not experience the unconditional love but will experience his wrath

Interesting!
I've learnt a new thing today.

menesheh:
What is your best evidence and arguments for the existence of a god that doesn't appeal to any logical fallacy.

Appleyard:
Oh thank God youi ask this question. YOU are that best evidence that a God exist.

frosbel2:
Stop parroting false interpretations of the word Hell.

Hell is the grave.

I suggest you take my advice and read ; 2 Timothy 2:15

Appleyard:
By your own interpretations, you are learning fast.

MizJanet:

Dead body ? @ bold that indicate a real dead person nw . You finally deviate from your spiri spiri death theory to a real death ( dead body) in other to make sense out of no - sense

Jozzy4:
@ captainjune and appleyard

If romans 6:23 is only about spiritual death , why did Adam now died after spending 930 years ? From where did humans inherit physical death since the wages of sin is only spiritual death ?

Scholar8200:
This is not correct!

After the resurrection of Christ, the saints of the OT resurrected too. Matthew 27:52,53)

The place of the departed comprises two destination: Paradise - Abraham's Bosom and the place of Torment where the fire is and both is separated by a big gulf Luke 16:24-29)and the one is at a point of elevation from the other.

. After Christ's resurrection souls who die in the faith go straight to Heaven (Revelations 6:9) but the place of torment is still there, the only 'relief' being the Great Judgement in Revelations 20 after which they will be sent to the lake of fire.

Jozzy4:
@ captainjune and appleyard

If romans 6:23 is only about spiritual death , why did Adam now died after spending 930 years ? From where did humans inherit physical death since the wages of sin is only spiritual death ?

menesheh:
How am i the best evidence for the existence of god?

nobilis:
Yea.
I'm learning how "unconditional" love can be shown to be extremely conditional and yet be vehemently portrayed as being unconditional.

Yea. I'm learning that.

Appleyard:
And you didnt include your own interpretations of unconditional love-to appear to be - the freedom to live your life anyhow you deem fit, while negating what you are being taught abouit it to mean-the act of God's salvation and willingness for all manKIND to be save.

You are truely an amazing learner.

CaptainJune:
Physical death came as a curse to all mankind after the fall of Adam. It is irreversible till the people of God all come together in paradise and the former things are no more.

Christ did not come to earth to die to give us physical life (immortality). This death is one of the grave consequences of the Fall but it is not the wages of sin that separates people from God neither is it the wages of sin that leads one to hell.

Everyone will taste physical death whether righteous or unrighteous (except where God says otherwise) which came as a result of Adam's disobedience but spiritual death is what distinguishes someone living in sin from spiritual life which indicates someone who has accepted Christ as his personal Lord and Saviour.

Appleyard:
Nobody told you that the wages of sin is " only " spiritual death. What we tried to make you see is that; death does not literally mean the demise of the physical body ceasing to exist in the physical realm-earth. Rather, death is a process and the starting point of it is " dying spiritually " before any form of physical death takes place.

The Bible has a great deal to say about death and, more importantly, what happens after death. Physical death and spiritual death are both a separation of one thing from another. Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body, and spiritual death is the separation of
the soul from God. When understood in that way, the two concepts are very closely related, and both physical death and spiritual death

Appleyard:
Nobody told you that the wages of sin is " only " spiritual death. What we tried to make you see is that; death does not literally mean the demise of the physical body ceasing to exist in the physical realm-earth. Rather, death is a process and the starting point of it is " dying spiritually " before any form of physical death takes place.

The Bible has a great deal to say about death and, more importantly, what happens after death. Physical death and spiritual death are both a separation of one thing from another. Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body, and spiritual death is the separation of
the soul from God. When understood in that way, the two concepts are very closely related, and both physical death and spiritual death are reflected in the very first references to death. In the creation account (Genesis 1–2), we read how God created a variety of living beings. These animals had life, an inward element that gave
movement and energy to their physical bodies. Scientists are still at a loss to explain what truly causes life, but the Bible is clear that God gives life to all things (Genesis 1:11-28; 1 Timothy 6:13). The life that God gave to mankind
was different from that which He gave to animals.

In Genesis 2:7, we are told that God “breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.” Whereas animals have a purely physical life, humans have both a physical and a spiritual element of life, and the death we experience likewise has both a physical and a spiritual element.
According to Genesis 2:17, God told Adam that if he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he would “surely die.” Some skeptics have tried to use this verse to show an inconsistency in the Bible, because Adam
and Eve did not die the very day they ate of that fruit. In the Hebrew, it literally says, “dying you will die.” It indicates a process that has a definite starting point, and
continues into the future.

When they sinned (Genesis 3:7), Adam and Eve immediately knew theirguilt. With that guilt came a shame which caused them to try to hide from God, because they had become spiritually dead, or separated from Him. In addition to the immediate spiritual death
they experienced, they also began the process of
physical death, even though it took many years for death to have its full effect. This can be better understood with the example of a flower. When you see a flower growing
in a garden, you know it is alive, because it is connected to the stem and the roots, and is receiving
nourishment from the ground. When you separate the flower from its life source, it still has the appearance of life, and can maintain that appearance for several days, depending on the conditions. Regardless of the care it is given, though, it is already dying, and that process cannot be reversed. The same is true for mankind. The physical death that entered into the world with Adam's sin (Romans 5:12) affected all living things. It is difficult for us to conceive of a world without death, but that is
what Scripture teaches was the condition before the Fall. All living things began the process of dying when sin entered the world. When physical death occurs, there is a
definite separation of the life force from the body. When that separation occurs, there is nothing man can do to reverse it (even the medical community acknowledges
the difference between a “clinical death” and a
“biological death”). The wages of sin is death
(Romans 6:23), and death comes upon all men because all have sinned. Everyone is subject to physical death because of the presence of sin in this
world, as well as their own personal sins. From a human perspective, physical death seems to be the ultimate punishment, but the Bible teaches there are deeper meanings of death to be considered. The life that God breathed into Adam (Genesis 2:7) was more than just animal life; it was the breath of God, resulting in a being
with a soul. Adam was created spiritually alive, connected to God in a special way. He enjoyed a
relationship with God, but when he sinned, that
relationship was broken. Spiritual death has
implications both before and after physical death. Though Adam was still physically alive (but beginning the dying process), he became spiritually dead, separated from relationship with God.

In this present life on earth, the effect of spiritual death is the loss of God's favor as well as the knowledge of and desire for God. Scripture is clear that everyone begins
life “dead in trespasses and sins” (Ephesians 2:1-5), resulting in a life focused on our sinful desires. Jesus taught that the remedy for spiritual death is a spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-5) through faith in Him. This rebirth is a re-connection to the source of life, which Jesus pictured in John 15:1-6. He is the vine, and we are the branches.
Without being connected to Him, we have no life in
us, but when we have Jesus, we have real life (1 John 5:11-12). For those who refuse to accept God's salvation,
physical death and spiritual death culminate in the “second death” (Revelation 20:14). This eternal death is not annihilation, as some have taught, but is a conscious, eternal punishment for sins in the lake of fire, described as being separated from the presence of the Lord (2 Thessalonians 1:9). Jesus also spoke of this eternal separation from God in Matthew 25:41 and identified the conscious torment of individuals in the story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31). God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should
come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), so they do not have to remain spiritually dead. To repent means to turn away from sin, and includes confessing sin to God with sorrow for violating His holiness. Those who have received God's salvation have turned from death to life (1 John 3:14), and the second death has no power over them
(Revelation 20:6).


Thus, when the bible talks about death as in Romans 6, it's actually more on that spiritual seperation.

Jozzy4:
What lead to the curse of physical death ?

Jozzy4:
Stop this nonsense , roman 6:23 refers to both spiritual and physical death ; we have all sin and we must all pay the wages which is DEATH thats why we all die , so what is death (physical) ?

CaptainJune:
What can I say, this is what happens when someone sleeps through a lecture. How can they ever pass a simple comprehension test?

Since when did crucifying the flesh or body of sin take on the meaning of real death?

Please read. It is not that hard.